Most overrated successful coach/manager

[Shymega]

I'm just gonna throw a couple on the poll i think are overrated, but say whoever you think is. Try to think of one that has been successful.

Anyways, i think these guys are overrated because they all have won with amazing teams with some of the best players in their time but than have been mediocre to respectable with average to good teams and in some cases, bad.

but out of those, my choice is Phil Jackson.

[sprak_]

Why is Pete Carroll an option?

USC from 1996 to 2001 (Carroll's first year) was 37-35. Since then they're 70-8 with two national titles. Before Carroll USC hadn't won a national championship in 20+ years. And unlike pro coaches he is directly responsible for bringing the players to his team.

[AsHopeDies]

I voted other. I think Tony Dungy is probably the most overrated coach I've ever seen.

[4savo4]

Deffiantly Phil Jackson. No idea who he is.

[Nick is cool]

Phil jackson from that list, when you have micheal jordan kobe bryant and shaq its not hard to win titles..

[Unhinged]

They still had to beat some fucking difficult teams of that era, it wasn't just the players. If that's how you define a good coach, then who is a good coach? Nobody ever won a world championship with the shittiest players in the league. I don't think Phil Jackson is the best coach ever, but he is a good damn coach.

[Shymega]

They still had to beat some fucking difficult teams of that era, it wasn't just the players. If that's how you define a good coach, then who is a good coach? Nobody ever won a world championship with the shittiest players in the league. I don't think Phil Jackson is the best coach ever, but he is a good damn coach.

Greg Popovich is an example of a great coach in the NBA. You can tell his team is extremely disciplined and he squeezes out every ounce of every player, and he really has only had 1 superstar and still won all those titles through the tough West. I'd like to see what he can do with the Suns, who are clearly the most talented team top to bottom in the league.

[Nick is cool]

They still had to beat some fucking difficult teams of that era, it wasn't just the players. If that's how you define a good coach, then who is a good coach? Nobody ever won a world championship with the shittiest players in the league. I don't think Phil Jackson is the best coach ever, but he is a good damn coach.




I never said he wasnt a good coach, im just saying that in his situation alot of coaches wouldve won alot of rings just like he did. Shymega said it good, and it helps that the spurs are a defensive team and that shows the coaching.

[darkesthorizon]

Phil Jackson, not even close. He had MJ, Kobe, Scottie and Shaq. Hell, the 2 years he didn't have MJ they didn't do jack shit. But as soon as he unretired, 3 more championships. Not sure why Pete Carrol or Bobby Knight are even on the list. Pete Carrol turned around a dead program and made it the best in the Nation, And Bobby Knight has over 900 wins and has been around for 42 years. And how can anyone say Joe Torre, the Yankees hadn't won dick in 15 years before Torre got there. You can say he had super star talent, but they weren't superstars until he managed them.

[Wu-tang]

If you don't agree with the ones listed then pick other, though some of those coaches shouldn't get any votes(Carroll).

And I definitely wouldn't say that Dungy is overrated at all.

[Fag Boy]

Why is Pete Carroll an option?

USC from 1996 to 2001 (Carroll's first year) was 37-35. Since then they're 70-8 with two national titles. Before Carroll USC hadn't won a national championship in 20+ years. And unlike pro coaches he is directly responsible for bringing the players to his team.

not to nitpick or anything, but just becuase one poll says a team is the best in the country, dosnt mean a team won the national championship.

1 national championship is all ill give him.

[sprak_]

Well like it or not there was not a consensus national champion in 2003.

AP champ- USC
BCS champ- LSU

And the next year there were major changes to the BCS, as USC was the #1 ranked team in both human polls going into the final game but was not allowed to play in the BCS title game.

[Shymega]

Pete Carrol only got those big name guys to come to USC because of the incentives:dunce:

[ftbllplr]

How can Phil Jackson be winning? 9 Championships, NINE. He created the triangle offense. I'm not a fan, but some of you must just not like him.

[Mysterio]

bill belichick

[Fag Boy]

Well like it or not there was not a consensus national champion in 2003.

AP champ- USC
BCS champ- LSU

And the next year there were major changes to the BCS, as USC was the #1 ranked team in both human polls going into the final game but was not allowed to play in the BCS title game.

I had noooo clue USC played in the 2003 National Championship. You know, the game which is held under the Bowl Championship Series, which is responsible for determining the two teams who play in what is recognized by all 119 division 1-A college football teams as being the Official National Championship Game.

I guess who learn something new everyday

[AsHopeDies]

If you don't agree with the ones listed then pick other, though some of those coaches shouldn't get any votes(Carroll).

And I definitely wouldn't say that Dungy is overrated at all.

people talk so highly of him and he's won 1 superbowl. Tampa Bay couldn't win until he left, he's overrated.

[darkesthorizon]

people talk so highly of him and he's won 1 superbowl. Tampa Bay couldn't win until he left, he's overrated.

Considering all the coachs who have coached ever in the nfl, one superbowl is pretty damn good. Hell, Parcells only has 2, and he's consider in the top 5 in coaches of all time. Do you remember what the Bucs were before Dungy got there?

[sprak_]

I had noooo clue USC played in the 2003 National Championship. You know, the game which is held under the Bowl Championship Series, which is responsible for determining the two teams who play in what is recognized by all 119 division 1-A college football teams as being the Official National Championship Game.

I guess who learn something new everyday

Both BCS and AP #1s are recognized as the national champion, though it's supposed to be the same team (thus the problem with the BCS). There is no official NCAA division 1-A championship game in college football.

[Fag Boy]

Both BCS and AP #1s are recognized as the national champion, though it's supposed to be the same team (thus the problem with the BCS). There is no official NCAA division 1-A championship game in college football.

I am well aware of there being no "official" title in the eyes of the NCAA, hence no wood plaque, but that dosnt change a thing. That still dosnt change the fact they didnt play in a title game, and played an inferior opponent. They play by the rules every other year, until it dosnt go their way. Tough shit, USC sure as hell wasnt the first or last team to not get to the title game even if they had an argument. There is only one national championship in college football right now and its the BCS, this isnt 1991.

[AsHopeDies]

Considering all the coachs who have coached ever in the nfl, one superbowl is pretty damn good. Hell, Parcells only has 2, and he's consider in the top 5 in coaches of all time. Do you remember what the Bucs were before Dungy got there?

Considering the talent he's had in Indy, one super bowl is pretty bad. He'll, I'd change my toon if they at least went to more than one Super Bowl.

And your Tampa Bay comment speaks more to player development than coaching.

I have a feeling that if Indy had a different coach the last 6+ years, they would have more post-season success.

[sprak_]

I am well aware of there being no "official" title in the eyes of the NCAA, hence no wood plaque, but that dosnt change a thing. That still dosnt change the fact they didnt play in a title game, and played an inferior opponent. They play by the rules every other year, until it dosnt go their way. Tough shit, USC sure as hell wasnt the first or last team to not get to the title game even if they had an argument. There is only one national championship in college football right now and its the BCS, this isnt 1991.


Why is this so hard to understand? The #1 ranked team by the AP and Coaches poll wasn't allowed in the BCS title game. This is what the BCS was designed to fix, but it didn't work in 2003. The result was a split national championship, as both the AP AND BCS award a national championship at the end of the season.