Enjoy it while you can guys.

[SwyfT]

While somewhat current events related, it more directly relates with video games.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/19/nevada.sc.main/index.html

Hilary wins the Nevada caucus. Why does this concern you? Because once she becomes President she has stated she will pass a law outlawing ANY Mature games to US sale.

All the vaginas in this country are fucking things up once again.

From BBC news:

Maribel Fuarez told the BBC: "I have always supported Hillary because she's a woman and it's time we had a woman president.

[potatopaper]

No matter who she is, she cannot stop video games.It's one of the biggest industries in the world.

[SwyfT]

No matter who she is, she cannot stop video games.It's one of the biggest industries in the world.

What? She can easily ban R rated games from US sale. Look at Aussie land and China.

[potatopaper]

What? She can easily ban R rated games from US sale. Look at Aussie land and China.

Well I'm glad I don't live in the US then.

[Iaretehpwn]

This saddens me deeply.

[jayweezie21]

the world will crumble if hillary wins

[Lividum]

A full ban's not gonna happen.

[Papero]

From BBC news:

Maribel Fuarez told the BBC: "I have always supported Hillary because she's a woman and it's time we had a woman president.

Ugh..women. I'm assuming Maribel is a woman, the majority of these votes for Hilary aren't even for Hilary's agenda, they're for her strictly because she's a woman. And that's absolutely fucked up, we need to eradicate people like this. People in other countries vote for certain politicians because of their values, not because of their genitalia. U.S is the only 1st world country to adopt this genital based voting process in mass.

CIVIL WAR FTMW!

[Wu-tang]

...No fucking way. Come on.

[silverspade14]

I don't want to stand up and revolt to end the war in Iraq but if someone tries to take my video games away I will.

[Thomson]

the USA is the biggest video game market in the world. most game company's wont even make certain games if they cant sell them in America. we all lose :(

[aooga12]

What The Fuck.. There Goes My Vote For Her... Lifes A Bitch.. Why Vote For 1!?

But where is it in the article? i don't see it.

[temp100]

the USA is the biggest video game market in the world. most game company's wont even make certain games if they cant sell them in America. we all lose :(
Indeed, and that really sucks. I guess we can only hope that England and Canada pump out some good games.

[merc]

wtf is this bitch doing running for president she should be in the kitchen making me some pancakes and bring me some banana conyak biach

[clutch-monkey]

if it takes a banning of video games to make america finally use that second amendment, so be it

[Sepharih]

Just to clear up some things.

1. The law would not outlaw the selling of all Mature rated games, or any for that matter. It would make it a federal crime to sell mature rated games to minors.

2. This still affects us as gamers, we should still be fucking pissed off, and Clinton is still a fucking cunt for even suggesting it. No one in the industry wants federal regulation, and the ESRB is more adequate.
The problem isn't the ESRB, it's stupid fucking parents, and Federal regulation would do nothing but hurt the industry and us. Just listen to these golden quotes from her:

No wonder these games are falling into the hands of our children and no wonder so many parents feel everyday like they are fighting this battle with their hands tied behind their backs,

We need to do better. We need to do everything we can to make sure that parents have a line of defense against violent and graphic video games and other content that go against the values they are trying to instill in their children.

Just plain gold. So parents feel like their hands are tied because they can't be bothered to spend two seconds checking the ESRB rating on the damn box.

Source:
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6129040.html

[Dayve]

Indeed, and that really sucks. I guess we can only hope that England and Canada pump out some good games.

Creative Assembly are pumping out Empire: Total War sometime this year hopefully, if it's as good as Shogun, Medieval and Rome (Rome needs mods to bring it up to the standards of its predecessors), it'll keep me going for at least 5 years.

I still have Medieval: Total war installed and play it regular, that games been out at least 4 years now. :D

I'd be pissed if GTA4 didn't come though. :mad:

[melodeathpwns]

If this happens I will assassinate that bitch.

[ahaga]

good...I'm sick of getting pwned by 11 year olds.

[aooga12]

good...I'm sick of getting pwned by 11 year olds.

well then theres only 1 good thing comming out of this for you then.. i suggest you get skills...

but i feel bad for the kids 14-17... there are mature people and there aren't... parents actually need to READ AND UNDERSTAND the esrb's ratings and COMPHREHEND THE FUCKING MEANING OF MATURE! fuck you clinton... i'm voting for the nigga... at least hes got better things on his mind.... keep bitches outta the whitehouse guys! vote anybody but clinton~~!!~~


i just thought of this if seph is correct i will be 18 1 month before the election so i'm not considered a minor anymore... but sucks for "minors"...

[crocop]

Obama really won Nevada He won the state delegate count. Clinton and Obama basically split clark county, which is Las Vegas, but Obama did better in the rural areas. Now this is why this matters. By party rules when you caucus the people who show up are only splitting a set number of state delegates for that caucus. The amount of delegates is determined usually by the amount of ppl that voted for the democratic governor candidate in the previous governor election. So lets say pct a has 500 state delegates and pct b has 500 state delegates. Well if only 1 person shows up for the pct b caucus and he votes for obama then all 500 state delegates go for obama. Now at pct a if you have 1000 ppl show up and they split then only 250 state delegates a piece go to obama and hillary. Arcane party rules for the win for Obama.

Hilary 12 delegates

Obama 13 delegates

[scary_A]

i hope this isnt true, i couldnt find the statement in the article..

but if it is thats ridiculous.. and its gonna screw up a lot of people and companies

[silverspade14]

If this happens I will assassinate that bitch.

Say hello to the FBI for me.

[Death_Revenant]

Gotta love democrats trying to tell us how to live.

Leave it to the fucking parents.

[Mr.SelfDestruct]

Really, I don't see what the problem is.

First, she'd have to get through the First amendment right of freedom of speech. If she managed to plow through that somehow, she'd also have to ban any other media that could have a "mature" rating to it, including movies and books that include inappropriate material for children (Bible anyone?).

Second, if she managed to make it law that companies couldn't sell M rated games to minors instead, I'd be perfectly happy with that outcome. Go ahead and bitch about it. The only impact it will have is that kids will have to get their parents' permission to own these games instead. And that's a good thing in my book.

Third, if she somehow managed to ban Mature games from stores altogether (with voodoo magic or whatever), than we'd lose out on gore, language, and sex. Sooo... it will have almost no impact on gameplay itself. And everyone that needs all of that bullcrap could just turn to the internet for indie games anyways.

edit:

I didn't bother doing the research, but it seems the second situation would be what she's driving for. Pretty much what I thought. This is nothing new, politicians have been driving for this for awhile now, and it never gets anywhere.

Seriously, if you have a problem with a law making it illegal to sell games that are inappropriate for minors TO minors, you need to STFU. Most stores already enforce the ESBR anyways. I seriously do not see how this will "impact us as gamers". Unless by "us", you mean "minors".

[Sepharih]

Seriously, if you have a problem with a law making it illegal to sell games that are inappropriate for minors TO minors, you need to STFU. Most stores already enforce the ESBR anyways. I seriously do not see how this will "impact us as gamers". Unless by "us", you mean "minors".

NO! The moment you allow government regulation like this you open up the proverbial floodgates on all manner of ways they can stifle the industry creatively, or what other mediums they can attack. Or, if that’s too crazy or Orwellian for you, just consider this; it would single out videogames as being different from any other creative medium, and create a double standard that looks down on an industry which is genuinely trying to mature creatively.
In either situation it would affect the industry as a whole. If you are a gamer of any age you should be opposed to this.


Third, if she somehow managed to ban Mature games from stores altogether (with voodoo magic or whatever), than we'd lose out on gore, language, and sex. Sooo... it will have almost no impact on gameplay itself. And everyone that needs all of that bullcrap could just turn to the internet for indie games anyways.

Are you kidding? God of war is an amazing game. It has amazing gameplay, but if you think God of War would have been the same amazing experience without the blood, violence, and sex, then your full of it. Gore, language, and sex can be as much a part of a games experience as what you refer to as gameplay is, and there is no reason game developers shouldn’t be allowed to utilize it anymore than there is a reason filmmakers shouldn’t.

Luckily I don’t foresee all this actually taking place, but brushing it off as a sort of “well if it actually happened it wouldn’t be so bad” is just ignorant.

[Edgecrusher]

Haha, how about porn? It's waaay more accessible, and
there's waaay more out there.

This is fucking stupid, I will pull a Kurt Cobain if this cunt
is elected.

[Mr.SelfDestruct]

NO! The moment you allow government regulation like this you open up the proverbial floodgates on all manner of ways they can stifle the industry creatively, or what other mediums they can attack. Or, if that’s too crazy or Orwellian for you, just consider this; it would single out videogames as being different from any other creative medium, and create a double standard that looks down on an industry which is genuinely trying to mature creatively.
In either situation it would affect the industry as a whole. If you are a gamer of any age you should be opposed to this.

Oh God no! Don't take our disembowelment and language away! Stifling creativity isn't an issue here. It's bullshit to think so. If anything, I'd say that finding out a way to tell a story without throwing the word "fuck" or a pair of tits at you involves more creativity.

I think it's a joke that the media industries don't face penalties for selling mature movies or games to minors. I thought the whole Manhunt 2 incident was a step in the right direction. I mean, do we really NEED a game where systematic torture is a major gameplay element?

Are you kidding? God of war is an amazing game. It has amazing gameplay, but if you think God of War would have been the same amazing experience without the blood, violence, and sex, then your full of it. Gore, language, and sex can be as much a part of a games experience as what you refer to as gameplay is, and there is no reason game developers shouldn’t be allowed to utilize it anymore than there is a reason filmmakers shouldn’t.

Luckily I don’t foresee all this actually taking place, but brushing it off as a sort of “well if it actually happened it wouldn’t be so bad” is just ignorant.

If you say so. I thought God of War was alright. A fun one time play through. I definitely wouldn't call it "amazing". And I didn't say that a game would be the same experience if you removed all of that stuff. I said that quality games could still be made without all of that stuff in it.

I remember people bitching about Tribes because it didn't have any blood in it. Shit, I didn't even notice until someone complained about it.

[EVO_9MR]

man this is why women shouldnt vote or run for president.

[melodeathpwns]

man this is why women shouldnt vote or run for president.

They should stay in the kitchen where they belong.

[puppetmasterjjk]

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/75901/

[Wu-tang]

^I bet you anything he was paid to do that just so that cunt could make that comment.

[DarkTalon]

Hillary is not going to win ,the people in the united states are stupid, everyone knows that. but they're not that stupid.

I herby put my life up for collateral, if hillary wins I will kill myself.
(queenbunnywitch i entrust you to start the next noob draft in the event i die)

[n00b_rocket]

Oh God no! Don't take our disembowelment and language away! Stifling creativity isn't an issue here. It's bullshit to think so. If anything, I'd say that finding out a way to tell a story without throwing the word "fuck" or a pair of tits at you involves more creativity.

I think it's a joke that the media industries don't face penalties for selling mature movies or games to minors. I thought the whole Manhunt 2 incident was a step in the right direction. I mean, do we really NEED a game where systematic torture is a major gameplay element?



If you say so. I thought God of War was alright. A fun one time play through. I definitely wouldn't call it "amazing". And I didn't say that a game would be the same experience if you removed all of that stuff. I said that quality games could still be made without all of that stuff in it.

I remember people bitching about Tribes because it didn't have any blood in it. Shit, I didn't even notice until someone complained about it.

It's thinking like this that's ruining this country.

[Sepharih]

Oh God no! Don't take our disembowelment and language away! Stifling creativity isn't an issue here. It's bullshit to think so. If anything, I'd say that finding out a way to tell a story without throwing the word "fuck" or a pair of tits at you involves more creativity.
That is a load of shit, plain and simple. Find me a way to do Saving Private Ryan without Gore. Language shouldn’t even be a fucking issue, but Reservoir Dogs wouldn’t have felt anywhere near as genuine if they couldn’t swear like sailors. Do I actually have to cite good creative ways to use tits, or will that suffice?

I think it's a joke that the media industries don't face penalties for selling mature movies or games to minors. I thought the whole Manhunt 2 incident was a step in the right direction. I mean, do we really NEED a game where systematic torture is a major gameplay element?
I think you’re a joke. That responsibility lies with the parents, plain and simple.
As for Manhunt, I have no interest in it, but what we NEED is creative freedom for developers. If you don’t like it then don’t buy the game, and don’t let your kids near it. I know I won’t.

If you say so. I thought God of War was alright. A fun one time play through. I definitely wouldn't call it "amazing".
Fine. The quality of God of War isn’t the issue here. Pick any number of violent games. Hitman, Gears of War, Doom, etc. Do you actually think those games would have been the same experience without explosions, headshots, and copious amounts of blood thrown about? Of course not.

I said that quality games could still be made without all of that stuff in it.
That’s true. Having said that, All options should be available to game developers, and that includes whatever gore, language, or nudity they deem necessary to their game.

[Acidic Piss]

Black market ftw?

[Thomson]

Black market ftw?

companys are not gunna make games to sell on the black market.

[GoGoGooManGo]

You can buy the mature versions off of ebay from European vendors.

[Leesin]

What a bitch. Glad i live in the UK, if i lived there and she became president and banned all the decent games, i would seriously go on a riot. She thinks she would be doing a good thing because apparently violent games make people do school shootings, it will be ironic when people start shooting schools and shit up because they dont have decent violent games.

[Xerosnake90]

To think I wanted to vote for her, not anymooooorrreee.

[usefulidiot316]

What a bitch. Glad i live in the UK, if i lived there and she became president and banned all the decent games, i would seriously go on a riot. She thinks she would be doing a good thing because apparently violent games make people do school shootings, it will be ironic when people start shooting schools and shit up because they dont have decent violent games.

I agree with that. If I can't have my MA games, I'm gonna pull a GTA on the US.

"I couldn't get out my rage in a video game, and I had to do something."

Who's with me?

[Mr.SelfDestruct]

That is a load of shit, plain and simple. Find me a way to do Saving Private Ryan without Gore. Language shouldn’t even be a fucking issue, but Reservoir Dogs wouldn’t have felt anywhere near as genuine if they couldn’t swear like sailors. Do I actually have to cite good creative ways to use tits, or will that suffice?

The single most grusome moment in Saving Private Ryan didn't require any blood or cursing. The scene with the knife. It was extremely visceral, and they didn't have to include guts spraying everywhere to pull it off.

Shawshank Redemption did a fantastic job at being "genuine" without resorting to cursing all the time.

Both points are invalid.

As for the tits, like video games don't objectify women enough as it is. Of course, that's it's own topic.

I think you’re a joke. That responsibility lies with the parents, plain and simple.

Aww, you gonna take your ball and go home now too?

Yes, the responsibility lies with the parents. Exactly. So, if parents would be required to make the actual rent or purchase of a game, the responsibility wouldn't be in their hands?

Here's a little notion of reality for you. In today's American society, more and more families see both mom and dad working just to make ends meet. When the child is left in the care of somebody else, is it still the parents' responsibilty? All they can do is try their best to find someone responsible enough.

Again, you've failed to make any valid point.

As for Manhunt, I have no interest in it, but what we NEED is creative freedom for developers. If you don’t like it then don’t buy the game, and don’t let your kids near it. I know I won’t.

Their creativity isn't even on the fucking line here. They still have the right to make the game anyway they want. I really fail to see how enforcing the ESBR legally will have an impact on this. Unless you're saying that publishers will stop supporting them because they're losing an audience that they claim they aren't targetting?

Once again, invalid point. Unless you support including minors in your target audience for M rated games.

Fine. The quality of God of War isn’t the issue here. Pick any number of violent games. Hitman, Gears of War, Doom, etc. Do you actually think those games would have been the same experience without explosions, headshots, and copious amounts of blood thrown about? Of course not.

No, and I never said they would be the same experience. Reading comprehension, learn it.

I said that high quality games could still be made without extreme gore. Several games have been released that gave a solid sense of brutality and violence while still maintaining a rating below M.

And by the way, explosions and headshots do not a M rated game make.

That’s true. Having said that, All options should be available to game developers, and that includes whatever gore, language, or nudity they deem necessary to their game.

Bullshit. Retailers should be punished for selling inappropriate material to minors. And when you get that through your thick skull, you'll realize that I'm targetting retailers here, not developers.

But that's beside the point. If All options should be available to developers, so that we don't "stifle their creativity", when can we expect to see the first game that allows you to play as a clown that rapes ten year old girls? Yeah, fuck you and your "censorship is bad" attitude. Censorship is a good thing. And how dare I stifle someone's creative need to allow a game developer to design a child molestation simulator.

[BassGuitar25]

I have no problems with retailers refusing to sell games to minors. I do have a problem banning violence and language.

[Tenelen]

*cough* Look at the sig. */cough*

Edit:
I agree with that. If I can't have my MA games, I'm gonna pull a GTA on the US.

"I couldn't get out my rage in a video game, and I had to do something."

Who's with me?

Simply brilliant!

[psychomonkey62]

CIVIL WAR FTMW!
...No fucking way. Come on.
I don't want to stand up and revolt to end the war in Iraq but if someone tries to take my video games away I will.
if it takes a banning of video games to make america finally use that second amendment, so be it
If this happens I will assassinate that bitch.
I agree with that. If I can't have my MA games, I'm gonna pull a GTA on the US.
"I couldn't get out my rage in a video game, and I had to do something."
Who's with me?

I smell a revolution abrewin'.

And after looking at a few more quotes of hers, I can conclude one thing: She's just.......a douche. She's SUCH a douche.......

[Well Me]

Check My soon to be sig

[burningcow422]

just don't vote for her.


every not vote counts.. wee

[Well Me]

Check my sig now.

[silverspade14]

I smell a revolution abrewin'.

And after looking at a few more quotes of hers, I can conclude one thing: She's just.......a douche. She's SUCH a douche.......
Put melodeath's quote as the last one, it makes it hilarious to read through them thinking "hmm a revolution" and then you get to his and it is so blunt. I had originally typed something out like his but I reworded it thinking "What can I say that wont get my name put on a list".

[melodeathpwns]

Say hello to the FBI for me.

Nigga plz, I made Chris Hansen lick a 3 year olds rectum. The FBI are nothing to me.

Plz don't throw me in jail.I WAS ONLY KIDDING!

[bukowski]

The single most grusome moment in Saving Private Ryan didn't require any blood or cursing. The scene with the knife. It was extremely visceral, and they didn't have to include guts spraying everywhere to pull it off.

Shawshank Redemption did a fantastic job at being "genuine" without resorting to cursing all the time.

Both points are invalid.

As for the tits, like video games don't objectify women enough as it is. Of course, that's it's own topic.

Come now, violence, swearing, gore and sex can all work wonderfully if properly implemented. For example the movie Blue Velvet, where everything starts off simple and beautiful. Life is clean, swearing infrequent, degradation of women non-existent and other forms of sin are either infrequent or don't yet exist. As the film progresses, all of that vice becomes more frequent. Women are objectified, swearing and violence are laid on thick, and death even graces the screen eventually. All of these atrocious acts give the feeling of a descent into hell.

Could this movie have been as effective minus the sin? Perhaps it could have been, but the fact that it was effective with sin is testimony enough to the power gruesome acts can have in a movie.

Now I'll agree with you that having gore from start to finish in a movie/game is terribly ineffective because it just becomes repetitive and dull eventually(see God of War).

Also, kinda on a side note swearing really can help with the development of certain characters. For instance, a punk ass kid who drops an f bomb every other sentence and acts like a stupid misogynistic chimp. As the story progresses, the boy will stop swearing as a sign of a developing maturity.

It can even work the other way around. If there's a character who's a solid moral character that never swears and always maintains composure, it can be a pretty big surprise when that character snaps and starts swearing like a scared child to show how vulnerable he is and how strenuous the situation he's in is.

So really, if all this gruesome shit is used properly, it can have wonderful effects. However, if it's used poorly, it will just be boring.

[SwyfT]

The single most grusome moment in Saving Private Ryan didn't require any blood or cursing. The scene with the knife. It was extremely visceral, and they didn't have to include guts spraying everywhere to pull it off.

Shawshank Redemption did a fantastic job at being "genuine" without resorting to cursing all the time.

Both points are invalid.


No no no no. I would hate to see a PG Sin City, or Departed. Violence and cussing are tools to enhance the experience, and in some places are needed. Sure, many directors misuse or overuse them, but there are plenty of movies that use it effectively to make the movie that much better.

[OLIAX]

easy solution...

don't vote for the bitch

she's only good for one thing anyway... ironing my shirts