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Chewy
01-20-2008, 03:38 PM
Plea deal for Prince of Pot means jail time for marijuana activist in the U.S.

6 days ago

VANCOUVER - Canada's so-called prince of pot is planning for prison after reaching a plea bargain with U.S. officials over his Internet sales of marijuana seeds.

But Marc Emery remains defiant, despite the prospect of serving a five-year-jail term and has no regrets over his pot-promoting antics through the years. "I'm really pleased and proud of what I've done," Emery said of his legacy. "I wish I could have done more to piss the U.S. government off actually."

Emery, 50, said Monday that U.S. prosecutors made the offer to his lawyer for a 10-year-prison term that would mean he would have to spend at least five years in prison, most of it in Canada.

The agreement also spares his co-accused Michelle Rainey and Greg Williams from doing jail time.

Emery said that's especially important for Rainey, who smokes marijuana to control symptoms of Crohn's disease, a painful digestive-tract disorder.

It was one of the reasons he considered the offer.

"Well, what if something did happen in jail to her?" said Emery. "You know I would always be responsible."

In July 2005, Emery was arrested in Halifax on an extradition request from the United States.

A U.S. federal grand jury had indicted the self-proclaimed "prince of pot" on charges of conspiracy to distribute marijuana seeds, conspiracy to distribute marijuana and conspiracy to engage in money laundering.

The charges related to his sale of marijuana seeds to U.S. customers over the Internet.

Emery still has trouble recognizing what he did wrong.

"There's no victim in my case," he said. "There's nobody who's claiming I hurt them ... so you're talking hundreds of thousands of happy customers."

For almost 15 years, Emery has been an outspoken advocate of the cannabis culture, even creating a magazine and forming the B.C. Marijuana Party.

Three years ago, he travelled across the country lighting up giant joints at pro-marijuana rallies in front of police stations in his quest to legalize pot.

He spent two months in a Saskatoon jail after he was arrested passing around a marijuana cigarette at a pro-pot rally.

"I'm a victim of political advocacy," he said Monday.

Alan Young, a professor at Osgood Hall Law School at York University, said extradition requests from the United States are very difficult to fight and the plea gives Emery some certainty.

"It looked a bit hopeless," Young said. "That's not to say a great fight could not have been mounted."

Young, who has known and worked with Emery since 1990, said on that level he's relieved that Emery knows the sentence he will face.

But on a political level the sentence is a travesty, he said.

"I think it's remarkable that I could cripple someone and put them in hospital ... and get less time that Marc will serve," Young said.

"It's grossly disproportionate by Canadian standards. But, unfortunately, by American standards, it may appear to be a kiss."

Emery said he's always been open about his actions, lobbying and meeting politicians such as Sen. Larry Campbell and New Democrat Leader Jack Layton and even filing income tax on his seed sales.

"Nobody ever treated me like a drug dealer in this country," he stated.

That wasn't the case in the U.S. after his arrest in 2005.

"The tentacles of the Marc Emery criminal enterprise reached out across North America to include all 50 states and Canada," Rodney Benson of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency told reporters in Seattle.

The plea agreement still needs the approval of the Canadian Department of Justice, which Emery believes won't oppose it.

"Because it spares the Conservative party government ... with a looming election, this awkward decision of whether to extradite me," he said.

"In a sense, it takes the heat off the government too, which I'm really disappointed by because one of the great things about having a crisis is something politically good might come of it."

Alain Charette, a spokesman for the Department of Justice, said the plea is a negotiation between other parties and doesn't yet involve the department.

He noted in all such extradition decisions, the minister is left with the final decision.

Emily Langlie, public affairs officer for the U.S. Attorney's office in Seattle, said it was not appropriate for officials there to comment on the plea agreement.

The U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration did not respond to a request for an interview.



http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5h9Y7CVPeypqV77yWBmI45x_mP9SA



A couple of interesting issues arrive from this issue, first off is Canada's sovereignty, secondly is Emery is an political activist Leader of the MJ Party and so forth, question becomes can he seek political asylum for being persecution for his political agenda?

No matter what the outcome both Nations are looking foolish on the issue.

metalhead666
01-20-2008, 03:58 PM
http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5h9Y7CVPeypqV77yWBmI45x_mP9SA



A couple of interesting issues arrive from this issue, first off is Canada's sovereignty, secondly is Emery is an political activist Leader of the MJ Party and so forth, question becomes can he seek political asylum for being persecution for his political agenda?

No matter what the outcome both Nations are looking foolish on the issue.

Pot should just be legalized.

all he did was sell seeds, sounds fairly harmless to me.

/Tilt/
01-20-2008, 04:02 PM
To put it bluntly, Marc Emery is being made an example of. However, I question the integrity of his political agenda. I wonder how knowledgable he is on issues other than marijuana.

Regardless, the fact remains that he did break the law and he should be aware of United States laws concerning the sale of marijuana seeds. He was careless in that regard. Now sure he probably didn't hurt anyone with his seed sales, but he should also have realized that he could not simply break the law because he felt like he could. That doesn't make it right, especially here in Jesusland.

You are right about both nations looking foolish, Chewy. Firstly, Canada should have protected their own and argued that in Canada the laws for the sale of marijuana seeds are not as strict (I'm not positive that they aren't as strict, but I'm sure they are). Canada basically said to the world, "The United States has better laws than us, so we yield to them." A real pussy move. As much as I disagree with the marijuana laws of the United States, I support their right to enforce them and to request extradition for Emery. That said, it was probably poor judgement to label Emery's operation as a "criminal enterprise". That basically sums up my previous notion that Emery is being made an example of.

Chewy
01-20-2008, 04:02 PM
Pot should just be legalized.

all he did was sell seeds, sounds fairly harmless to me.

He also makes a rather strong point that if he had beaten a person he would receive a lower offense.

PitwrkzZ1
01-20-2008, 04:51 PM
This is coming from someone who has never smoked and never has any intention of smoking: Its a plant people. A harmless plant that makes you feel good when smoked. Its disgusting the amount of jail time people are getting just for getting high.

Weddingsinger
01-20-2008, 06:59 PM
Pot should just be legalized.

all he did was sell seeds, sounds fairly harmless to me.

Cigarettes are more harmful than pot, they should ban that crap instead.

drahkcorjc
01-20-2008, 07:40 PM
Every single argument against marijuana prohibition has been said over and over again in this forum, and I agree with every God-damned one of them. I think we're getting to the point where anyone with half a brain is very tolerant when it comes to the plant.
That being said, I believe the cause needs a little civil disobedience to really get things changed. This "prince of pot" could end up being marijuana's Rosa Parks. Who knows?

Sounds to me that this guy's got some integrity. From what I gathered in the article, his decision to accept the plea was in part due to his partner's condition which is relieved by smoking pot. That right there, to me, says that this guy's got some balls.

Chewy
01-20-2008, 07:47 PM
You are right about both nations looking foolish, Chewy. Firstly, Canada should have protected their own and argued that in Canada the laws for the sale of marijuana seeds are not as strict (I'm not positive that they aren't as strict, but I'm sure they are). Canada basically said to the world, "The United States has better laws than us, so we yield to them." A real pussy move. As much as I disagree with the marijuana laws of the United States, I support their right to enforce them and to request extradition for Emery. That said, it was probably poor judgement to label Emery's operation as a "criminal enterprise". That basically sums up my previous notion that Emery is being made an example of.

Yeah possession of pot seeds is not illegal far as I know here not in the criminal sense however I think you can be fined a low amount for it. Where as say Hate Speech is a crime in Canada... now I wonder if Canada asked real nicely for say some to the large White Supremacists groups that mail there information into Canada to send them up North would it be reciprocated? Or how about the US mail distributer that sends items via the mail into Quebec in English only... you think the US would cough them up for prosecution? I really don't think so.

For the DEA the real issue about Emery is that he funds so many of the pro-drug groups both in the US and in Canada.

By sentencing him to jail they are hoping to cut off funding of this movement.


Couple of extra things here on Emery, he heads the BC Marijuana Party and runs a Vapor Lounge in Vancouver, for 5$ you can join the lounge come in and smoke up. He doesn't sell dope to the patrons just provides a lounge for them to use.
Emery has not sheltered his dealings or tried to hide them in fact he even pays taxes on his products which the Canadian Government has happily agreed to accept.

More on the issue.
lol he supports Ron Paul too.;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRfOJ8D-t6A

TFS
01-20-2008, 08:03 PM
Canada needs to stand up for itself just from a standpoint of knowing what the fuck is going on in their yard. I wouldn't like it if Canadian or Mexican law enforcement just popped across the border into the US without any coordination or approval or anything, so I don't think we should be doing that to people we list as our allies either. Turn-about's fair play. It's gonna suck when Mounties get their man in Montana and then cite this as precedence for how our countries define their border rules with each other.

That said, I don't think this guy has a valid political agenda either. Does the MJ Party have a platform beyond legalizing pot? With all that's going on, even if they do have other platform parts, is that really even worth entertaining the notion of prioritizing that above a lot of the other things we still have on our hands? I hear of political parties like the Pot Party and others that center around pot, and all I get is an impression of attention whoring as opposed to a group of people that really give a damn and know what needs to be done, but that's just me.

And finally...if it's the law, it's the law. Ok, civil disobedience is keen and all...but only if you exhaust all parlimenary methods available of changing that law. Civil disobedience is still disobedience. It doesn't seem to me like he or his group have exhausted their efforts via legislation, and I don't think it's right or fair to start trying to compare him to Rosa Parks.

He doesn't have to serve the sentence to let people know it sucks and needs to be changed.

And I've said it before and I'll say it again: show me a plan for legalizing pot that regulates it through the FDA, sales of it, age limits, and restrictions for it similar to DWI's and such...pretty much a comprehensive plan for it similar to tobacco and alcohol, and I'll vote for that plan. Until it's properly regulated, I refuse to support legalization of it because it won't do any good if it's just legal but not regulated.

Chewy
01-20-2008, 08:19 PM
That said, I don't think this guy has a valid political agenda either. Does the MJ Party have a platform beyond legalizing pot? Not really that's pretty much their sole issue. It is a legal party in Canada and has been on the Provincial and National Ballot.

Not really different than say the Green Party's issue is the Environment.


And I've said it before and I'll say it again: show me a plan for legalizing pot that regulates it through the FDA, sales of it, age limits, and restrictions for it similar to DWI's and such...pretty much a comprehensive plan for it similar to tobacco and alcohol, and I'll vote for that plan. Until it's properly regulated, I refuse to support legalization of it because it won't do any good if it's just legal but not regulated. The MJ Party is very much regulated use, and if I am not mistaken so is the Canadian Senate Commission.
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=5405

Canada has the Senate ok and a model to engage regulated personal use, but because of pressure from our neighbors to the south I don't see it happening.

http://www.parl.gc.ca/37/1/parlbus/commbus/senate/com-e/ille-e/rep-e/summary-e.htm

/Tilt/
01-21-2008, 01:39 AM
Emery has not sheltered his dealings or tried to hide them in fact he even pays taxes on his products which the Canadian Government has happily agreed to accept.
Ah. So the Canadian government obviously had no problem with his sales operation until the United States stepped in. Methinks he should get a refund so he can at least begin to pay his legal bills.

Chewy
01-21-2008, 12:04 PM
Ah. So the Canadian government obviously had no problem with his sales operation until the United States stepped in. Methinks he should get a refund so he can at least begin to pay his legal bills.

Most of the 'pro-seeds' from his venture went to fund pro legalization groups in the US and Canada even paid for a few legal cases for other folks. I think they will find out today if he cuts that deal, pretty sad to see Canada sell out like this.

Anti Flag
01-23-2008, 05:37 PM
oh please, LEGALIZE THIS ALREADY!