Faux News Vs Mass Effect

[staek?]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L13Ct40cFIU

"In another excellent piece of journalistic skill, Fox News showcase the horrors of Mass Effect with it's full screen pornography!!!!"

Well, what can you expect...it's fox news :banghead::banghead::banghead:

[Papero]

Cooper Lawrence was served by Jeff Keely.

I really liked when Jeff spoke of how the player can choose to play a female after Cooper talked about how the game womanizes. My gosh it was absolutely golden, she was speechless and went off of bullshit statistics.

If a parent doesn't want their child playing a mature game then they need to prevent this. No one will ever take away our entertainment freedoms, I'll tell you right now blood will be spilled if a ban is ever made. And Cooper Lawrence will be near the top of the list for many.

And I detest how they make gamers look like meth addicts.

[GoGoGooManGo]

Isn't the median age of gamers about 30 and rising anyways? That's why games are usually marketed to adults, no? So whats happening is people still think games are for kids and they see these mature games and think, "Oh hai deez kant b marketd to kidz ryte" when in reality they are marketed to adults

[k0n_]

Women are stupid

[SheBear]

That was ridiculous. Fox News really needs to stop being stupid, at least the video game expert guy was awesome.

[Choking_Victim]

I must be missing something, where in mass effect was there pornography. I've beat the game, and it would seem that I would remember a part like that.

[Papero]

I must be missing something, where in mass effect was there pornography. I've beat the game, and it would seem that I would remember a part like that.

You can screw the asari consort and later in the game you can screw the human female or another asari.

Perhaps you aren't very suave with the ladies.





I want this answered,

HAS ANYONE PLAYED A FEMALE CHARACTER UNTIL THE SEX SCENES? DOES THE FEMALE CHARACTER HAVE SEX WITH THE ASARI CONSORT?

I can never get anyone to answer it, I know SOMEONE had to of played a female. I'm just curious if they would put homosexuality in the game.

[dude22]

Women are stupid

Smartest thing you've ever said.

[rand0m]

10 Bucks the makers of Mass Effect emailed Fox a list of shit that was in the game.

Seriously have you any idea how many people will buy this game after seeing 'SEX IN VIDEO GAMES' on the news? They probably sent the list to all the news companys and Fox probably too stupid to see through the developers plans aired it.

Edit: Just watched it through, hmm i want the game that the bitch on the left played!

[k0n_]

It's frustrating to see people on tv spreading ignorance.

[aooga12]

It's frustrating to see people on tv spreading ignorance.

indeed, and that bitch sorta had the last word on it... at least that expert was cool about it... i think someone who truely knows what their talking about should just go on fox/cnn and say listen here bitches... if your 17+ you can do what the fuck you want when the fuck you want...

and i noticed she said look on the back for the rating? no bitch you didn't go look for video games at the store its ALWAYS on the front... and get this she thinks the "put your age in here for mass effect nudity" on the homepage isn't good enough? well thats your fault for lieing about your age and also your parents for not blocking it... get this though, the only one that i really hate is xbox.com's "xx/xx/xxxx" thing, if you accidentally put in the wrong age.. it logs your ip and doesn't let you try it again for at least a week, maybee if more sites did that fox/cnn wouldn't be complaining about it.

[The_Guitarist]

Video games don't make me want to go kill something, but these bitches do.

[917]

OMFG you have no idea how much this pisses me off. What a bunch of uninformed bitches.....its no different then a rated R movie. They make it sound like its some full fledged porno

Fuck that

[DarkTalon]

*facepalm*

[Rootraz]

EA is trying to make them correct their inaccuracies.

http://kotaku.com/348187/ea-calls-fox-out-on-insulting-mass-effect-inaccuracies

[The_Guitarist]

EA is trying to make them correct their inaccuracies.

http://kotaku.com/348187/ea-calls-fox-out-on-insulting-mass-effect-inaccuracies
That's awesome.

[camjoe87]

its no different then a rated R movie. They make it sound like its some full fledged porno

Fuck thatR?! Seriously!? PG-13 at the most.

Titanic had more nudity than this .. and that had REAL PEOPLE ...

[k0n_]

cant fox get sued? for like making them lose money?

[GoGoGooManGo]

cant fox get sued? for like making them lose money?
Maybe but they wouldn't get very far. It's hard to justify even libel and slander on a purely hypothetical level.

[staek?]

EA is trying to make them correct their inaccuracies.

http://kotaku.com/348187/ea-calls-fox-out-on-insulting-mass-effect-inaccuracies

that made my day. thank you for this post.

[DarkTalon]

EA is trying to make them correct their inaccuracies.

http://kotaku.com/348187/ea-calls-fox-out-on-insulting-mass-effect-inaccuracies

first good decision EA has made in a LONG time.

[aooga12]

that made my day. thank you for this post.

yeah mine too..

go EA show dem bitches what its really about!

[Elephant]

R?! Seriously!? PG-13 at the most.

Titanic had more nudity than this .. and that had REAL PEOPLE ...

titanics rated R though...

[staek?]

titanics rated R though...

No... it's not.

[ColdWaXX]

It seems like the people who complain about these things in games are people who have very little or no knowledge about them.

[917]

R?! Seriously!? PG-13 at the most.

Titanic had more nudity than this .. and that had REAL PEOPLE ...
Well yeah, obviously its more in line with a PG-13 movie.......

But what I was getting at is that Mass Effect is an 'M' rated game, which is basically equivalent to a rated 'R' movie.

[clutch-monkey]

I want this answered,

HAS ANYONE PLAYED A FEMALE CHARACTER UNTIL THE SEX SCENES? DOES THE FEMALE CHARACTER HAVE SEX WITH THE ASARI CONSORT?

I can never get anyone to answer it, I know SOMEONE had to of played a female. I'm just curious if they would put homosexuality in the game.
yes you can. lesbian sex is a feature...
can you get a threesome though? with the asari and the human chick?

[Yuseke]

Someone send these fucking idiots an AO rated PC game. Show them what a REAL AO game is and maybe they'll stop being so fucking stupid. I'm gonna start a little fund to buy them a copy of "Bible Black."

[ColdWaXX]

Someone send these fucking idiots an AO rated PC game. Show them what a REAL AO game is and maybe they'll stop being so fucking stupid. I'm gonna start a little fund to buy them a copy of "Bible Black."

Please, go on.

[Yuseke]

Please, go on.

I really only know the title becuase I'm an anime fan. I haven't played it myself, nor do I want to. Just look it up on wikipedia.

[ColdWaXX]

I really only know the title becuase I'm an anime fan. I haven't played it myself, nor do I want to. Just look it up on wikipedia.

Ok, will do.

Maybe I'll get a cookie.

[Dayve]

Yeah, because underage kids having sex never existed before video games... :rolleyes:

[Edgecrusher]

So, they're complaining about seeing some Alien's ass?

So, to see an Alien's ass costs $60. This is completely ruining
the youth of America, in that woman's view.

In about 5 seconds, I can have a porn video up . . . for free.

[rand0m]

Wow for once sueing a company is actually worthwhile. Fox have made multiple serious errors causing yet more damage to the Video game industry.

EA is a very big powerful company and its about time they use their money to come down hard on Fox news for this outrages bit of journalism.

nice to see the internet fighting back

http://kotaku.com/348355/quack-gets-amazon-book-rating-spammed

bitch got what she deserved, the least she could have done is play the fucking game.

[staek?]

Wow for once sueing a company is actually worthwhile. Fox have made multiple serious errors causing yet more damage to the Video game industry.

EA is a very big powerful company and its about time they use their money to come down hard on Fox news for this outrages bit of journalism.

nice to see the internet fighting back

http://kotaku.com/348355/quack-gets-amazon-book-rating-spammed

bitch got what she deserved, the least she could have done is play the fucking game.



hahaha more great news!

[ChocoChipCamo]

Wow for once sueing a company is actually worthwhile. Fox have made multiple serious errors causing yet more damage to the Video game industry.

EA is a very big powerful company and its about time they use their money to come down hard on Fox news for this outrages bit of journalism.

nice to see the internet fighting back

http://kotaku.com/348355/quack-gets-amazon-book-rating-spammed

bitch got what she deserved, the least she could have done is play the fucking game.

These are the most entertaining reviews I've ever read on Amazon. Maybe this will wipe that shit-eating grin off that smug bitch's face, eh? Satisfying to say the least.

[Papero]

Holy crap, that's awesome, anyone reading the Amazon comments? She's truly being served.

[Queenbunnywitch]

I just saw this today it made me so fucking mad. I'm glad EA is trying to get Fox to stop being so fucking ignorant about this. Did anyone else notice how OFTEN they kept saying shit about seeing parts of the game on the internet? Seriously, you put a 14 year old kid on the internet he isnt gonna look at Mass Effect cut scenes to see the sex scene, hes gonna go watch porn. Did God of War get this much drama? That game actually had tits AND the sex was just random sex with whores. The sex in Mass Effect was not just random sex...like they said..it had to have been built up to. *shakes head*

[JesusTheJedi]

^^^ It's hardly even sex. In fact, for all you can see, it's just a quick montage of the characters making out, with the player overall seeing very little.

Anyways, this is fucking hilarious http://www.amazon.com/Cult-Perfection-Making-Peace-Overachiever/dp/1599211793/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1201196442&sr=8-1

And kudos to EA for actually acting with a bit of dignity. Who knows, maybe they're going to start working on repairing their reputation? Well, maybe...

[BrotherPaul]

It blows my mind that these news networks can devote this kind of air-time to a subject of which they know nothing about. Both of those broads admitted to having never played the game and had the audacity to slander it on national TV. Those tools on the panel are just as bad because they basically ignored the safeguards that Microsoft claimed were in place to protect children from varying degrees of content. If you are so worried about your children then set up content filtering and password protect it so that they aren't exposed to it when you aren't around.

The devs of that game should sue for discrediting their product, if that is possible. Disgusting....

[Mouland]

I have to say, this amazes me on so many levels. I mean this shows just another example of how Fox "News" is completely unreliable. Who decided to put this person on, and think she is an expert? How can they have thought of this topic, and had a list of literally thousands of people, and decided that SHE had the best view.

I mean, just look at her God damned web site.

http://www.cooperlawrence.com/radio.html

Look at this quote: "The Cooper Lawrence Show is smart talk about real life. Cooper is honest, outspoken, and truly wants to make your life a better place to be... Now freeing herself from the shackles of higher learning, and armed with a master's degree and an unusual amount of knowledge about dogs, Cooper can be there for all of her listeners. Cooper Lawrence. Radio Host. Chocoholic. Shoe Warrior."

What part of this makes her an expert at all what so ever on anything that was discussed? A masters degree doesn't mean shit. Maybe if you are a Dr. in the field from an institution with a strong reputation I will care about your opinion and it will carry some weight. Otherwise, if you start spewing garbage like this, you better back it up with some SERIOUS facts and research.

That little pow wow at the end where the Fox people all sat around and squabbled like chickens was unreal. THIS IS A NEWS STATION NOT THE FUCKING VIEW! Just tell me the news, and tell it like it is. Don't interpret the facts for me, that is not your job, that is my responsibility as a viewer.

[Kenix700]

http://www.myspace.com/thecooperlawrenceshow

She has a myspace.

[Elephant]

I have to say, this amazes me on so many levels. I mean this shows just another example of how Fox "News" is completely unreliable. Who decided to put this person on, and think she is an expert? How can they have thought of this topic, and had a list of literally thousands of people, and decided that SHE had the best view.

I mean, just look at her God damned web site.

http://www.cooperlawrence.com/radio.html

Look at this quote: "The Cooper Lawrence Show is smart talk about real life. Cooper is honest, outspoken, and truly wants to make your life a better place to be... Now freeing herself from the shackles of higher learning, and armed with a master's degree and an unusual amount of knowledge about dogs, Cooper can be there for all of her listeners. Cooper Lawrence. Radio Host. Chocoholic. Shoe Warrior."

What part of this makes her an expert at all what so ever on anything that was discussed? A masters degree doesn't mean shit. Maybe if you are a Dr. in the field from an institution with a strong reputation I will care about your opinion and it will carry some weight. Otherwise, if you start spewing garbage like this, you better back it up with some SERIOUS facts and research.

That little pow wow at the end where the Fox people all sat around and squabbled like chickens was unreal. THIS IS A NEWS STATION NOT THE FUCKING VIEW! Just tell me the news, and tell it like it is. Don't interpret the facts for me, that is not your job, that is my responsibility as a viewer.

i love her smile in the picture on the right. she's a total hottie.

http://www.myspace.com/thecooperlawrenceshow

She has a myspace.

thanks for mooching off of moulands link

[GoGoGooManGo]

"
104 of 104 people found the following review helpful:
1.0 out of 5 stars Possibly The Worst Book Ever Written, January 24, 2008
By Thien Wilson (USA) - See all my reviews
From what I have heard, this book is not just pornographic and ethically-repulsive, it is dangerous. Unlike the video game and movie industries, the publishing industry is not regulated by a ratings authority. There is no mechanism in place to inform parents about the contents of this book, or any other book, before allowing their children to read.

This book's title seems positive, when the actual book is anything but. The effort of the author and publishing company to market this book towards children is disturbing to say the least. While they claim that this book is actually marketed towards young adult women there is not yet an effective way to stop children from purchasing this book. The purveyors know this and see it as nothing more than an advantage to their bottom line.

And even if there was such a mechanism in place, do you really think that children wont be able to get their hands on this book? Do you keep your pornographic books in a locked safe? The majority of book readers do nothing to protect their children from offensive books. And why should they have to? The job of being a parent is hard enough without filth like this infecting our children's minds.

If you work at Amazon and are reading this I would fervently petition you to do everything in your power to remove this book and every other book by y Cooper Lawrence from your store. If you are a customer who was considering purchasing this book I can only strongly recommend against it. The rest is up to you. "

[ehogepr]

I honestly can't believe I used to watch Fox News, I really truely can not believe I use to watch that garbage. Holy shit.. what an awakening..

[clutch-monkey]

i loved the bit where the woman news presenter is complaining that "i had to actually pick up the box and turn it around to read the rating... it's harder being a parent" or something to that effect. sweet fucking christ, i hope she never has kids.

[SheBear]

"
104 of 104 people found the following review helpful:
1.0 out of 5 stars Possibly The Worst Book Ever Written, January 24, 2008
By Thien Wilson (USA) - See all my reviews
From what I have heard, this book is not just pornographic and ethically-repulsive, it is dangerous. Unlike the video game and movie industries, the publishing industry is not regulated by a ratings authority. There is no mechanism in place to inform parents about the contents of this book, or any other book, before allowing their children to read.

This book's title seems positive, when the actual book is anything but. The effort of the author and publishing company to market this book towards children is disturbing to say the least. While they claim that this book is actually marketed towards young adult women there is not yet an effective way to stop children from purchasing this book. The purveyors know this and see it as nothing more than an advantage to their bottom line.

And even if there was such a mechanism in place, do you really think that children wont be able to get their hands on this book? Do you keep your pornographic books in a locked safe? The majority of book readers do nothing to protect their children from offensive books. And why should they have to? The job of being a parent is hard enough without filth like this infecting our children's minds.

If you work at Amazon and are reading this I would fervently petition you to do everything in your power to remove this book and every other book by y Cooper Lawrence from your store. If you are a customer who was considering purchasing this book I can only strongly recommend against it. The rest is up to you. "

Now that's good literature right there.

[Avo]

Geez, what an ignorant cunt, I realized she was full of shit when she brought up her personal opionion about how women are not valued and only seen as a sexual object in this videogame. I knew from then on, she was full of shit.

[Well Me]

See, I personally didn’t like Mass Effect. I dunno what it is, something I have against RPG’s I guess. It had the same problems as all of them do, that being too many cut scenes and internal plot crap that is a major annoyance, and there is no good multiplayer. Factor that in with your ally AI which are dipshits who seem to like getting shot, and you have a game that I personally didn’t care much for.

[camjoe87]

too many cut scenes .

There was hardly any cut scenes in this game. Obviously there was a lot of dialouge scenes, but you had full control over it and it was actually a bit interesting learning more about the mass effect universe and story through conversations.

[staek?]

See, I personally didn’t like Mass Effect. I dunno what it is, something I have against RPG’s I guess. It had the same problems as all of them do, that being too many cut scenes and internal plot crap that is a major annoyance, and there is no good multiplayer. Factor that in with your ally AI which are dipshits who seem to like getting shot, and you have a game that I personally didn’t care much for.

Well there wasn't suppose to be a multiplayer. Mass Effect is a single player experience.

[Well Me]

Well there wasn't suppose to be a multiplayer. Mass Effect is a single player experience.

Yeah, but that's kinda what bugs me. I like always having the option to play with friends.

Even so, they could've at least put in co-op.

[rand0m]

Excuse me, can we get back to Fox bashing? No one cares about the game alright?

[AsHopeDies]

Here's my 2 cents, and I'll probably get flamed for this. But I think the wrong person is getting the brunt of this attack. Cooper Lawrence has no affiliation with Fox News. She is an expert that they have on their panels quite a bit but she isn't connected to the station any more than the video game expert was. She's a victim of misinformation just as much as the rest of us. Put yourself in her shoes for a moment.

You are a psychologist that has a syndicated radio show, you're an author, and you are requested by multiple news channels to do guest spots like this. You get a call and show up, and they tell you that you will be talking about a game that is a mixture of "Luke Skywalker and Debbie Does Dallas", what would you say? Like someone already said, she probably didn't even know what she was talking about until she got on the show. If Mass Effect was the game that the morons from Fox News described, then Cooper would be exactly right on every point she made.

I catch her radio show on occasion when I'm driving home from work and she seems like a smart chick. She's very grounded and very well versed and seems very knowledgeable when she is preparing the topics and has previous knowledge of the subject matter. She just got fucked by Fox News by being put in a shitty situation and now she's being punished for it, not Fox News.

[jakhavok]

Here's my 2 cents, and I'll probably get flamed for this. But I think the wrong person is getting the brunt of this attack. Cooper Lawrence has no affiliation with Fox News. She is an expert that they have on their panels quite a bit but she isn't connected to the station any more than the video game expert was. She's a victim of misinformation just as much as the rest of us. Put yourself in her shoes for a moment.

You are a psychologist that has a syndicated radio show, you're an author, and you are requested by multiple news channels to do guest spots like this. You get a call and show up, and they tell you that you will be talking about a game that is a mixture of "Luke Skywalker and Debbie Does Dallas", what would you say? Like someone already said, she probably didn't even know what she was talking about until she got on the show. If Mass Effect was the game that the morons from Fox News described, then Cooper would be exactly right on every point she made.

I catch her radio show on occasion when I'm driving home from work and she seems like a smart chick. She's very grounded and very well versed and seems very knowledgeable when she is preparing the topics and has previous knowledge of the subject matter. She just got fucked by Fox News by being put in a shitty situation and now she's being punished for it, not Fox News.


Ok, Cooper, I know you feel bad for going on the show but you should have played the game first. Even if you didn't like what FNC said about it, you should have done some independant research. All could have been avoided if you had stepped up to the plate and played the game before you went on TV and started bashing it. And making an account on EBWF just to get your point across seems a little desperate don't ya think?

And FNC is also catching shit. It's not just you.

[JesusTheJedi]

Here's my 2 cents

She should have done her own research first. If it went down like you say, then she was just hoping for some quick airtime and some moolah - it doesn't matter how Fox got her to go on the show, you don't go on TV and run your mouth off about something you don't know anything about.

[AsHopeDies]

Ok, Cooper, I know you feel bad for going on the show but you should have played the game first. Even if you didn't like what FNC said about it, you should have done some independant research. All could have been avoided if you had stepped up to the plate and played the game before you went on TV and started bashing it. And making an account on EBWF just to get your point across seems a little desperate don't ya think?

And FNC is also catching shit. It's not just you.

Good one dickmouth.

She should have done her own research first. If it went down like you say, then she was just hoping for some quick airtime and some moolah - it doesn't matter how Fox got her to go on the show, you don't go on TV and run your mouth off about something you don't know anything about.

That's just it, for the most part, she wasn't running her mouth about something she doesn't know anything about. She knows a hell of a lot more than any of us about the psychological effects of certain aspects of gaming on the minds of people of varying ages. She was informed that the game contained a certain set of activities and was then asked what effects these activities would have on children. You guys actually think that Fox News had this topic decided for a week or two and put together this panel of experts? Hell no, they probably came up with it hours before they recorded.

She did come off as a total bitch at the end when she was attacking the game expert though.

But I have to ask you, the video game expert that you guys are deifying, wasn't he just on there for some quick airtime and some moolah then?

Now, I will say this, I'm taking for granted that they just asked her to come on, which is usually the case. If she knew of the topic beforehand, then she's a dumb bitch for not doing her research.

As I've said, I knew I'd get flamed for this, but I'm just seeing it objectively. You guys take for granted that she's affiliated with Fox News somehow and the game expert was some random expert they called. That's hypocritical. It's obvious she was ill-informed about the game. But if you pay attention, she wasn't asked about the game, she was asked about the effects of sexual acts and violence in video games, and that's what she talked about.

[Yuseke]

She should have done her own research first. If it went down like you say, then she was just hoping for some quick airtime and some moolah - it doesn't matter how Fox got her to go on the show, you don't go on TV and run your mouth off about something you don't know anything about.

Why not? President Bush does it...

[JesusTheJedi]

Good one dickmouth.



That's just it, for the most part, she wasn't running her mouth about something she doesn't know anything about. She knows a hell of a lot more than any of us about the psychological effects of certain aspects of gaming on the minds of people of varying ages. She was informed that the game contained a certain set of activities and was then asked what effects these activities would have on children. You guys actually think that Fox News had this topic decided for a week or two and put together this panel of experts? Hell no, they probably came up with it hours before they recorded.

She did come off as a total bitch at the end when she was attacking the game expert though.

But I have to ask you, the video game expert that you guys are deifying, wasn't he just on there for some quick airtime and some moolah then?

Now, I will say this, I'm taking for granted that they just asked her to come on, which is usually the case. If she knew of the topic beforehand, then she's a dumb bitch for not doing her research.

As I've said, I knew I'd get flamed for this, but I'm just seeing it objectively. You guys take for granted that she's affiliated with Fox News somehow and the game expert was some random expert they called. That's hypocritical. It's obvious she was ill-informed about the game. But if you pay attention, she wasn't asked about the game, she was asked about the effects of sexual acts and violence in video games, and that's what she talked about.

Yes perhaps the initial question prompts her with "What are the effects of this..." but as she continues talking throughout the segment, she's talking as if she's played the game and has done research on it. She was stretching truths, and Fox News was outright lying. They're both to blame.

[AsHopeDies]

I will agree that she progressively digs a hole for herself. I seem to remember a comment along the lines of "Which is what the guy in this game does." Dumb bitch shouldn't have said that.

But I don't necessarily recall her stretching the truth, I think she unfortunately took for granted that what Fox News told her was the truth, which it obviously wasn't and made her come off like a complete idiot.

[SwyfT]

Good one dickmouth.

But I have to ask you, the video game expert that you guys are deifying, wasn't he just on there for some quick airtime and some moolah then?


I'll pass on your poor usage of word choice here. But lets use the little empathetic quip you seem to be so grounded in.

Put yourself in the expert's shoes. He's called up and told that Faux is going to do a report on Mass Effect, and how evil it is for having a sexual scene. Now he obviously has played the game. He also obviously knows the route Faux is going to go with this, as they seem quick to jump on gunning anything related to Video Games down. He knows this game is going to be completely unrepresented from any other view, and so he shows up to put some actual light of truth into the subject. I would show up personally for this without payment.


Why would you defend Cooper now when she utterly and completely fucked up? She ran off on several meaningless tangents. She went on for a whole minute about how she got into this SEX-LACED game's website by mearly putting in her date of birth, and then she said nothing bad was on the site. The fuck was the point of even mentioning that?

She did poor research, poor analysis, and showed a heavy bias. She wouldn't even let the expert speak at the end, because that would mean more of her shit-stained dribble would be shot down. The woman is an egotistical bitch, releasing a book to tell others how to be perfect? Fuck that.

[AsHopeDies]

I'll pass on your poor usage of word choice here. But lets use the little empathetic quip you seem to be so grounded in.

Put yourself in the expert's shoes. He's called up and told that Faux is going to do a report on Mass Effect, and how evil it is for having a sexual scene. Now he obviously has played the game. He also obviously knows the route Faux is going to go with this, as they seem quick to jump on gunning anything related to Video Games down. He knows this game is going to be completely unrepresented from any other view, and so he shows up to put some actual light of truth into the subject. I would show up personally for this without payment.


Why would you defend Cooper now when she utterly and completely fucked up? She ran off on several meaningless tangents. She went on for a whole minute about how she got into this SEX-LACED game's website by mearly putting in her date of birth, and then she said nothing bad was on the site. The fuck was the point of even mentioning that?

She did poor research, poor analysis, and showed a heavy bias. She wouldn't even let the expert speak at the end, because that would mean more of her shit-stained dribble would be shot down. The woman is an egotistical bitch, releasing a book to tell others how to be perfect? Fuck that.

How about YOU do YOUR fucking research dickchop?

The woman you are referring to ISN'T COOPER LAWRENCE!

Open your god damned eyes. There are actually two, count 'em two, women on this panel. The blond woman, who is the host and interviewer, who's name I don't even care to look up. She's the one who references going to the web site, she's the one who spews all the incorrect "facts" about Mass Effect, and, most importantly, she is not named Cooper Lawrence.

The other woman gives her expertise on the effects of violence and sexuality on children from video games. It also appears to me that she believes this game has strong sexuality because that's what she was told by the host of the show she was on. This woman is named Cooper Lawrence.

You simple fuck.

[Edgecrusher]

I too think Fox News is to blame.

THEY approached her about the topic, so it was in
FOX'S opinion that this game is ruining America's
youth.

Sure, you can ridicule her for her poor defence, but
she's not the reason this game was being discussed.

[AsHopeDies]

I too think Fox News is to blame.

THEY approached her about the topic, so it was in
FOX'S opinion that this game is ruining America's
youth.

Sure, you can ridicule her for her poor defence, but
she's not the reason this game was being discussed.

Agreed...she's doing her job and she gets a bunch of faggy fan boys spamming her books on Amazon.

[Queenbunnywitch]

Kay, Cooper Lawrence is the one that wrote the book. She was probably just on the show to plug her book. Geoff Keighley(the gamer) knows his shit. He asked her if she ever played it and she practically scoffed at him. I'm sure they told her "oh theres this game with graphic full frontal nudity being marketed it to kids, can you voice your concerns on that matter?" The issue is, if she feels so strongly about it why didn't she hop on the ol internet. They didn't allow Geoff to really say anything about it and kind of shoved off his remarks like he didn't know what hes talking about. She really doesn't know jack shit about games, if she did she would know about the ESRB and that the rating is in the FRONT of the box, not the back.

fuck i had to edit that like 10 times. i kept making really retarded typos.

[AsHopeDies]

How can you morons not comprehend the brain buster that is the concept of "multiple people"? Cooper Lawrence did not comment on the location of the rating, the other bitch did.

To be so quick to attack someone for not having their facts straight, you guys are surprisingly forgetful.

[JesusTheJedi]

I agree that it was mostly the blonde chick who was completely off in tard-land... I don't think Cooper deserves the huge back-lash that she has received, but she did fuck up (especially with her comment on the man turning women into sexual objects) and I don't think she can be exempt, so I guess we're kind of in agreement.

[rand0m]

If someone asks me about the polictical nature of the Dupa Dupa tribe in fuck knows land. I tell them 'what the fuck are they' not 'i personally believe that they are ruining their homes, the economic plan is unstable etc etc etc'

[GoGoGooManGo]

Agreed...she's doing her job and she gets a bunch of faggy fan boys spamming her books on Amazon.

Agreed...she's doing her job and she gets a bunch of faggy fan boys spamming her books on Amazon.

She is doing her JOB?! She needs to do research anyways if she is going to talk about ANYTHING on a NATIONAL NEWS program. Even if she is there to consult, she needs to be informed. And did you see how unprofessional she was?

[AsHopeDies]

She is doing her JOB?! She needs to do research anyways if she is going to talk about ANYTHING on a NATIONAL NEWS program. Even if she is there to consult, she needs to be informed. And did you see how unprofessional she was?

Congrats, everything you said is something I've already addressed and/or agreed with, do your research.

And to random...what if they asked you what you thought about the fact that every girl in that tribe is raped on her 15th birthday? Would you say "I need to go live with them for a while and observe this behavior for myself? Or would you say you thought that was terrible?

[GoGoGooManGo]

Congrats, everything you said is something I've already addressed and/or agreed with, do your research.

And to random...what if they asked you what you thought about the fact that every girl in that tribe is raped on her 15th birthday? Would you say "I need to go live with them for a while and observe this behavior for myself? Or would you say you thought that was terrible?
She only has a masters in psychology which doesn't do much for a career unless you are a natural con-artist who knows how to get shitty books published. This woman is a fraud. Hell my sister has a masters in psych. You need a PhD to get any respect in the field yet this woman gets it form your ass. Shes just some woman trying to make a name for herself saying agreeable things. Anyone can quote research. Her education in psychology gives her just enough respect from public to believe her shit and just enough knowledge to stay afloat. You play right into her hand giving any respect and recognition to her. See how many people with masters get books published and how many with PhDs.

That's my point.

[usefulidiot316]

Good one dickmouth.

How about YOU do YOUR fucking research dickchop?

You simple fuck.

How can you morons not comprehend the brain buster that is the concept of "multiple people"?

You sure have a lot of hostility toward someone that talks about someone you've never met before. I can understand you're masturbating to her show every day after work, but that's no reason to come on an internet forum playing the white knight defending her need to bash a game with a progressive love story as one with naked women jumping on trampolines. BTW, I realize that statement was a bit over exaggerated, so there's no need to point that out and call me a dickmouth.

Maybe you should do some research before giving your left arm up for her, though. First, the entire thread was about Fox news bashing Mass Effect, and since her 'professional' opinion was dominated by what Fox News said, she was on their side. Some people were offended by how she talked about one of their favorite video games, much in the way that you were offended by someone talking about one of your favorite psychologists. Some people thought it necessary to show how wrong she was in what she said, much in the same way you did above. Flaming people who are flaming someone is the very definition of hypocritical, and also brings me to my next point.
Agreed...she's doing her job and she gets a bunch of faggy fan boys spamming her books on Amazon.
Here is a link to her book on amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Cult-Perfection-Making-Peace-Overachiever/dp/1599211793/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1201196442&sr=8-1) with all the 'faggy fan boys spamming her books'. With quotes like

"This book is a pointless read and filled with old, rehashed ideas. Cooper Lawrence offers no new insight to the deeper problems that cause someone to need to be an over achiever. There are many other books out there that were written by actual practicing psychologists and which are respected by the psychological community at large. I seriously recommend Codependent No More by Melody Beattie for anyone that stuggles with this. Also, going to an actual licensed psychologist may be the answer."

and

"Just picked this up for my mother and read through it. I found it rather lacking. There was alot of common sense advice that didn't seem to me to require a book to tell you. Some of the interviews looked like they were leading into the point the author was trying to make instead of coming off as a true."

God damned fan boys.
I will agree that she progressively digs a hole for herself. I seem to remember a comment along the lines of "Which is what the guy in this game does." Dumb bitch shouldn't have said that.

But I don't necessarily recall her stretching the truth...

I seem to remember a comment along the lines of "Let's look at the statistics, who's playing video games, the adolescent teenagers, not their parents." Dumb bitch shouldn't have said that. Where are the statistics she's quoting? A quick search on google turned up these results.
The average game player is 33 years old and has been playing games for 12 years.
The average age of the most frequent game buyer is 38 years old. In 2007, 92 percent of computer game buyers and 80 percent of console game buyers were over the age of 18.
Someone should really help keep these adolescent 30-40 year olds away from the horrible sex scenes in Mass Effect. Oh, won't somebody please think of the children.

She's pretty quick to make assumptions based on false statistics to bash the entire video game industry. If she's going to make up information to make generalized statements about a major industry on national TV, then one has to wander what other kinds of prejudice slander she would say on radio and in a book. That being said, I can't see why anyone would try to hard to take up for her.

You simple fuck.

[Mouland]

After reading this article, I am not quite as pissed at her. However, I question if she is saying these things just because she realized how many people she pissed off, or because she actually learned something about professionalism.

Either way, I liked the point about maybe guests "experts" will think twice about making an appearance. These people should realize that when you come on the show as an expert, you are suppose to be applying your expertise to a specific situation. They should do first hand research whenever possible, especially when talking to a national audience.

http://kotaku.com/349296/ea-vs-fox-lawrence-recants-mass-effect-judgement

And to address AsHopeDies' comments, first I don't want you to think I am ignoring what you said earlier. I completely agree with you saying that she was only answering questions relating to the EFFECTS of a game. I do think though that she had an obligation to fully understand the CONTEXT of how her opinion was being used.

Just as an extreme example, lets say she was brought on to discuss the importance of maintaining order in society. If they get her to agree and state all of these reasons why order in society is a very high priority, but it is to prove the need to give police the right to kill citizens who are acting inappropriately, she will not be seen as making that point, but she WILL be seen as contributing to it.

She cannot be held blameless because she simply chose not to do research on the specific item she was putting down using her general knowledge.

One final thing and I will shut up. What really bugged me about her tirade was when she said that kids do not know the difference between real life and video games. That really pissed me off for two reasons. One, that is not a generally accepted fact in the scientific world, so you can't just drop a bombshell of a point like that, and not say in what sense, what range, what age, who ran the study, when was it run by, what experts support it, how they reached that conclusion, ect. Two, because I KNOW that when I was playing games like Duke Nukem 3D when I was 10, Half-life when I was 13, and Halo when I was 16, I KNEW the difference between that a real life. For her to say I didn't was an insult to my intelligence that I took quite personally.

[SwyfT]

You sure have a lot of hostility toward someone that talks about someone you've never met before. I can understand you're masturbating to her show every day after work, but that's no reason to come on an internet forum playing the white knight defending her need to bash a game with a progressive love story as one with naked women jumping on trampolines. BTW, I realize that statement was a bit over exaggerated, so there's no need to point that out and call me a dickmouth.

Other assorted ownage


Meh, let him have his little moment. He's usually the guy in every thread to stand up and against what everyone else agrees with. Which either makes him an idiot, a dick, or a very coincidentally opinionated person. I very much doubt the latter.

I will admit I was bashing the wrong person. Does that make either of them right? No. Does it give you ample opportunity to twist my mistake into a giant douchebaggery, and ignore the rest of my post? Sure.


I can never tell if this guy is a troll or just a dick.

That really pissed me off for two reasons. One, that is not a generally accepted fact in the scientific world, so you can't just drop a bombshell of a point like that, and not say in what sense, what range, what age, who ran the study, when was it run by, what experts support it, how they reached that conclusion, ect. Two, because I KNOW that when I was playing games like Duke Nukem 3D when I was 10, Half-life when I was 13, and Halo when I was 16, I KNEW the difference between that a real life. For her to say I didn't was an insult to my intelligence that I took quite personally.

I know what you mean. But it's generally accepted in society today that kids are completely hopeless without complete and full censorship. My parents happened to be able to teach me from right and wrong, and didn't raise me on video games. I knew exactly what I was doing when I played Doom 2, i wasn't getting my brain hard-wired to shoot everything that moves, I was playing a damn videogame. I guess it's too much these days to ask parents to teach and raise their kids. Everything the kid is subjected too has to be able to raise the kid for them. Sometimes I think stations like PBS were the worst thing that happened to kids, not some gore-flick or sex-game... because it gave parents the notion that they wouldn't have to teach their kids morals.

I can't wait for idiocracy to kick in

[Mouland]

I know what you mean. But it's generally accepted in society today that kids are completely hopeless without complete and full censorship. My parents happens to be able to teach me from right and wrong, and didn't raise me on video games. I knew exactly what I was doing when I played Doom 2, i wasn't getting my brain hard-wired to shoot everything that moves, I was playing a damn videogame. I guess it's too much these days to ask parents to teach and raise their kids. Everything the kid is subjected too has to be able to raise the kid for them. Sometimes I think stations like PBS were the worst thing that happened to kids, not some gore-flick or sex-game... because it gave parents the notion that they wouldn't have to teach their kids morals. I can't wait for idiocracy to kick in

It is sad, the number of parents I have seen who just sit their kid in front of a DVD player for hours on end, and then go do the shit they would do if they didn't have kids. I never understand why people have kids if they don't want to raise them. I can understand one, it could have been unplanned, but when you do this shit when you have like three kids... ???

http://kotaku.com/349296/ea-vs-fox-lawrence-recants-mass-effect-judgement

Oh, and I wanted to repost this link, where she basically says she regrets saying what she did.

[Trenaur]

10 Bucks the makers of Mass Effect emailed Fox a list of shit that was in the game.

Seriously have you any idea how many people will buy this game after seeing 'SEX IN VIDEO GAMES' on the news? They probably sent the list to all the news companys and Fox probably too stupid to see through the developers plans aired it.

Edit: Just watched it through, hmm i want the game that the bitch on the left played!

Yes, you do as a female have sex with the consort.

[staek?]

UPDATE: So Cooper Lawrence apologized and admitted that she was wrong. Now it's Fox News' turn to apologize.

http://kotaku.com/349296/ea-vs-fox-lawrence-recants-mass-effect-judgement

[The_Guitarist]

UPDATE: So Cooper Lawrence apologized and admitted that she was wrong. Now it's Fox News' turn to apologize.

http://kotaku.com/349296/ea-vs-fox-lawrence-recants-mass-effect-judgement
This pleases me. *Puts down gun*

[k0n_]

pologize.... [/sharpton]

[JesusTheJedi]

Her apology how now been posted three times in the last two pages.

[Molson]

It just BOGGLES MY MIND how people are SO FUCKING STUPID!

"I'll never let Mass Effect in my house."

Buddy, do you have ANY idea what you can find on the internet? I wish I could call in and tell them how fucking retarded they make themselves sound.

- Just read the letter from EA. I know most of you hate EA, but really, that made me feel good. It's like their on our side!

[Queenbunnywitch]

Good, now you*taps foot impatiently at fox news*

[Mouland]

Although I am not a big Adama Sessler fan, I enjoyed this clip.

http://kotaku.com/349374/ea-vs-fox-adam-sessler-weighs-in

[Elephant]

http://www.actiontrip.com/comics/at_comic252.phtml

[AsHopeDies]

You sure have a lot of hostility toward someone that talks about someone you've never met before. I can understand you're masturbating to her show every day after work, but that's no reason to come on an internet forum playing the white knight defending her need to bash a game with a progressive love story as one with naked women jumping on trampolines. BTW, I realize that statement was a bit over exaggerated, so there's no need to point that out and call me a dickmouth.

I didn't call you a dickmouth, I called some dude who's name started with a 'J' or something a dickmouth. You are misinterpreting my hostility. I came on a gave the other side of the story, and stated that I thought most of the blame should be placed on Fox, not her. I also stated that she said a lot of stupid shit and came off like a bitch. Far from playing the 'white knight' that you claim. My hostility was triggered when people starting quoting the other bitch and saying that Lawrence said this and that. I can handle differing opinions, ignorance gets me fired up though.

Maybe you should do some research before giving your left arm up for her, though. First, the entire thread was about Fox news bashing Mass Effect, and since her 'professional' opinion was dominated by what Fox News said, she was on their side. Some people were offended by how she talked about one of their favorite video games, much in the way that you were offended by someone talking about one of your favorite psychologists. Some people thought it necessary to show how wrong she was in what she said, much in the same way you did above. Flaming people who are flaming someone is the very definition of hypocritical, and also brings me to my next point.

Your generalizations here are mind blowing. I'm not flaming anyone "FOR" flaming, I'm flaming people for their reasons for flaming. Which at least two people in this thread alone have done a damn good job of proving was needed. You are basically saying that anyone who argues with someone else is a hypocrite.

Here is a link to her book on amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Cult-Perfection-Making-Peace-Overachiever/dp/1599211793/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1201196442&sr=8-1) with all the 'faggy fan boys spamming her books'. With quotes like

"This book is a pointless read and filled with old, rehashed ideas. Cooper Lawrence offers no new insight to the deeper problems that cause someone to need to be an over achiever. There are many other books out there that were written by actual practicing psychologists and which are respected by the psychological community at large. I seriously recommend Codependent No More by Melody Beattie for anyone that stuggles with this. Also, going to an actual licensed psychologist may be the answer."

and

"Just picked this up for my mother and read through it. I found it rather lacking. There was alot of common sense advice that didn't seem to me to require a book to tell you. Some of the interviews looked like they were leading into the point the author was trying to make instead of coming off as a true."

God damned fan boys.

Multiple news sources along with earlier posts in this thread already went over the insane amount of spamming she was receiving on her amazon.com books. I didn't make that up.

I seem to remember a comment along the lines of "Let's look at the statistics, who's playing video games, the adolescent teenagers, not their parents." Dumb bitch shouldn't have said that. Where are the statistics she's quoting? A quick search on google turned up these results.
The average game player is 33 years old and has been playing games for 12 years.
The average age of the most frequent game buyer is 38 years old. In 2007, 92 percent of computer game buyers and 80 percent of console game buyers were over the age of 18.
Someone should really help keep these adolescent 30-40 year olds away from the horrible sex scenes in Mass Effect. Oh, won't somebody please think of the children.

She's pretty quick to make assumptions based on false statistics to bash the entire video game industry. If she's going to make up information to make generalized statements about a major industry on national TV, then one has to wander what other kinds of prejudice slander she would say on radio and in a book. That being said, I can't see why anyone would try to hard to take up for her.

You simple fuck.

Again, I agree with this. And this isn't the first time I've agreed with someone who's said this IN THIS THREAD. Don't make assumptions just because they fit your argument and you take for granted that I fit into them. I've already said she came off like a bitch and said stupid shit. This is exactly what I was talking about.

Meh, let him have his little moment. He's usually the guy in every thread to stand up and against what everyone else agrees with. Which either makes him an idiot, a dick, or a very coincidentally opinionated person. I very much doubt the latter.

I will admit I was bashing the wrong person. Does that make either of them right? No. Does it give you ample opportunity to twist my mistake into a giant douchebaggery, and ignore the rest of my post? Sure.

The entirety of your post centered around bashing one person and it was in direct retaliation to points that I had made. Since, as you admit, you were bashing the wrong person. How can I respond to anything else? I ignored no part of your post. I read every word where you falsely accused the person that we were discussing.

You guys just aren't getting it. I'm not defending anyone. I'm not defending what she said. I just stated that it was my opinion that people were attacking her for saying things she didn't really say. That she was told the game featured x-number of things and was asked about the results of these things on kids. She was made to look like a fucking idiot considering this game doesn't contain x-number of things she was told. That being said, she was still a bitch to the game expert. She still sounded ignorant as fuck when the dude asked her if she had played the game and she gave that bullshit laugh. She fucked up royally, but that doesn't change the fact that people were taking for granted that she was affiliated with Fox News and said things she didn't say.

Calm down fuckers.

[usefulidiot316]

I didn't call you a dickmouth, I called some dude who's name started with a 'J' or something a dickmouth. You are misinterpreting my hostility. I came on a gave the other side of the story, and stated that I thought most of the blame should be placed on Fox, not her. I also stated that she said a lot of stupid shit and came off like a bitch. Far from playing the 'white knight' that you claim. My hostility was triggered when people starting quoting the other bitch and saying that Lawrence said this and that. I can handle differing opinions, ignorance gets me fired up though.

Your generalizations here are mind blowing. I'm not flaming anyone "FOR" flaming, I'm flaming people for their reasons for flaming. Which at least two people in this thread alone have done a damn good job of proving was needed. You are basically saying that anyone who argues with someone else is a hypocrite.
Actually, the first time you flamed anyone in this thread was with the use of the word dickmouth, when you said it to Jakhavok for making it sound as if you were Cooper Lawrence taking up for yourself in EBWF, not for people starting quoting the other bitch and saying that Lawrence said this and that.

And yes, like I said in my last post, I was over exaggerating about the whole white knight thing, but I wasn't far from it... I've got nothing against anyone with an objective opinion on the matter, but an objective opinion isn't one that states ...ignorance gets me fired up... to both defend Cooper Lawrence and flame people at the same time. How is it ok to be ignorant about a topic discussed on national TV that got this much media coverage, but not ok to confuse a few quotes from that video on an internet forum. THAT is what I'm saying is hypocritical.

Don't make assumptions just because they fit your argument and you take for granted that I fit into them. I've already said she came off like a bitch and said stupid shit. This is exactly what I was talking about.

You guys just aren't getting it. I'm not defending anyone. I'm not defending what she said. I just stated that it was my opinion that people were attacking her for saying things she didn't really say. That she was told the game featured x-number of things and was asked about the results of these things on kids. She was made to look like a fucking idiot considering this game doesn't contain x-number of things she was told.
So, you agree that she was a dumb bitch that sounded like a fucking idiot because she said stupid shit, but you act like she shouldn't be flamed in this thread because FOX was to blame. Cooper Lawrence had her fair share of badmouthing toward Mass Effect, which even she can admit to (http://kotaku.com/349296/ea-vs-fox-lawrence-recants-mass-effect-judgement). She's just as much to blame as FNC, and anyone who says otherwise is just defending her.
Calm down fuckers.
It's not that I'm pissed off at you, or anything. I just don't like people that go into a thread, disagree with what EVERYONE is saying, and start flaming people for it.

Swyft was right on the money when he said you were either a troll or just a dick. Coming to the gaming section to defend someone who clearly bashed the video gaming industry is like starting a thread in the napster forum titled, "I can see where the RIAA is coming from". If you want to tell the tale of poor defenseless Cooper Lawrence, go to E/N. GTFO

[AsHopeDies]

Actually, the first time you flamed anyone in this thread was with the use of the word dickmouth, when you said it to Jakhavok for making it sound as if you were Cooper Lawrence taking up for yourself in EBWF, not for people starting quoting the other bitch and saying that Lawrence said this and that.

Yes...saying that I'm Cooper Lawrence and that I just created an account when I joined long ago and have over 3,000 posts is a statement that is worth a dickmouth labeling if I've ever heard one.

And yes, like I said in my last post, I was over exaggerating about the whole white knight thing, but I wasn't far from it... I've got nothing against anyone with an objective opinion on the matter, but an objective opinion isn't one that states ...ignorance gets me fired up... to both defend Cooper Lawrence and flame people at the same time. How is it ok to be ignorant about a topic discussed on national TV that got this much media coverage, but not ok to confuse a few quotes from that video on an internet forum. THAT is what I'm saying is hypocritical.

So saying that she did plenty of stupid shit and is liable for the things she did, while also saying that I think the attack on her is being blown out of proportion is not being objective? Please, tell me what your definition of objective is? Your hypocritical point is a good one, I totally see where you are coming from on that, but I will say this. I am not trying to defend her ignorance on this game. What I'm saying is that she wasn't directly referencing this game, she was referencing psychological effects of the things that she was told were in this game. You may or may not agree with what she says these effects are, I personally disagree with them. I just felt that people were saying she came on attacking Mass Effect while knowing nothing about it. She wasn't brought on as a video game expert. She was brought on as an expert to the psychological effects of sex and violence in video games and media on children, and was directly told that this game contained both.

There is a big difference between being given wrong information and not being able to comprehend the difference between two different women on a 7 minute video clip.

So, you agree that she was a dumb bitch that sounded like a fucking idiot because she said stupid shit, but you act like she shouldn't be flamed in this thread because FOX was to blame. Cooper Lawrence had her fair share of badmouthing toward Mass Effect, which even she can admit to (http://kotaku.com/349296/ea-vs-fox-lawrence-recants-mass-effect-judgement). She's just as much to blame as FNC, and anyone who says otherwise is just defending her.

You are completely missing the point. I'm not defending her from being flamed, I'm addressing the reasons she was being flamed and the manner in which she was being flamed. The two people in this thread who couldn't realize that the other woman said the things they claimed Cooper said proved my point. You so easily blow off this as minor confusion of quotes but then act as if her taking for granted that what she was told is true is an abomination. I personally flamed her if you don't recall, on multiple occasions. I just thinks it's ironic that people are mad at her for falsely representing a game, and yet they so grossly false represent her.

It's not that I'm pissed off at you, or anything. I just don't like people that go into a thread, disagree with what EVERYONE is saying, and start flaming people for it.

This is what infuriates me. Please, I beg you, go back and read all of the posts. I have agreed with people on multiple occasions in this thread, as I have agreed with you on an instance or two in this thread. I can deal with differing options and discussion all day long, it's just when people say shit like this that gets under my skin. I know that you know that I haven't disagreed with what EVERYONE is saying, and yet you say it anyway, because it makes your argument stronger.

Swyft was right on the money when he said you were either a troll or just a dick. Coming to the gaming section to defend someone who clearly bashed the video gaming industry is like starting a thread in the napster forum titled, "I can see where the RIAA is coming from". If you want to tell the tale of poor defenseless Cooper Lawrence, go to E/N. GTFO

I gotta ask you to go back and read my first post. I didn't attack anyone on this thread, I didn't say anyone was dumb for attacking her. I even started by saying it was just my 2 cents and I'd probably get flamed for it. I just re-read it to make sure...and that was not the post of a troll or a dick. I'd argue that the first response was the post of a complete dick though, that is for sure. My point was that she didn't clearly attack the gaming industry. I thought that Fox News clearly attacked the gaming industry and that she was fed bullshit information and put in a fucked up situation, but that she did little to help her case. But hey, obviously, I'm not allowed to have that opinion. And somehow it's ok for someone to flame me for not being objective while also saying I fucked up by coming into the video game forum and not fully supporting what all the fanboys in here are saying. Yeah buddy, you are looking for objectivity....sure.

[usefulidiot316]

Yes...saying that I'm Cooper Lawrence and that I just created an account when I joined long ago and have over 3,000 posts is a statement that is worth a dickmouth labeling if I've ever heard one.

So saying that she did plenty of stupid shit and is liable for the things she did, while also saying that I think the attack on her is being blown out of proportion is not being objective? Please, tell me what your definition of objective is?Flaming is against the rules here and will get you banned if you do it enough. Flaming someone for thinking you're someone you're not isn't a good reason to risk being banned. I can see an eye for an eye, though, if you think being called a dickmouth is just as bad as being confused with Cooper Lawrence, then I suppose I agree with you.

And being objective means looking at something from a non opinionated point of view. We're probably going around in circles, but how is the attack on her being blown out of proportion if you think she did plenty of stupid shit and is liable for the things she did? What would you suggest is a moderate attack on someone who was a dumb bitch that sounded like a fucking idiot because she said stupid shit?
There is a big difference between being given wrong information and not being able to comprehend the difference between two different women on a 7 minute video clip.

You are completely missing the point. I'm not defending her from being flamed, I'm addressing the reasons she was being flamed and the manner in which she was being flamed. The two people in this thread who couldn't realize that the other woman said the things they claimed Cooper said proved my point. You so easily blow off this as minor confusion of quotes but then act as if her taking for granted that what she was told is true is an abomination. I personally flamed her if you don't recall, on multiple occasions. I just thinks it's ironic that people are mad at her for falsely representing a game, and yet they so grossly false represent her.
I can see where you're coming from. Representing misinformation is nothing compared to not being able to comprehend the difference between 2 people on a video clip. But my point is that representing misinformation on national TV is much worse that confusing two people on an internet forum. You never hear anyone call Cooper Lawrence a simple fuck, dickmouth, fanboy, or a forgetful moron, but it's your objective opinion that people representing misinformation on an internet forum deserve this kind of flaming.
This is what infuriates me. Please, I beg you, go back and read all of the posts. I have agreed with people on multiple occasions in this thread, as I have agreed with you on an instance or two in this thread. I can deal with differing options and discussion all day long, it's just when people say shit like this that gets under my skin. I know that you know that I haven't disagreed with what EVERYONE is saying, and yet you say it anyway, because it makes your argument stronger.
You're right. It was 5am, I was tired, and I know you didn't disagree with everyone. What really made me mad was the flaming of two people who confused the two people in the video with the same opinion, and the flaming of the person that confused you with Cooper Lawrence. The flaming was a little out of line, and is only something a dick or troll would do.
I gotta ask you to go back and read my first post. I didn't attack anyone on this thread, I didn't say anyone was dumb for attacking her. I even started by saying it was just my 2 cents and I'd probably get flamed for it. I just re-read it to make sure...and that was not the post of a troll or a dick. I'd argue that the first response was the post of a complete dick though, that is for sure. My point was that she didn't clearly attack the gaming industry. I thought that Fox News clearly attacked the gaming industry and that she was fed bullshit information and put in a fucked up situation, but that she did little to help her case. But hey, obviously, I'm not allowed to have that opinion. And somehow it's ok for someone to flame me for not being objective while also saying I fucked up by coming into the video game forum and not fully supporting what all the fanboys in here are saying. Yeah buddy, you are looking for objectivity....sure.
IMO, she did attack the gaming industry, maybe not directly, but it was an attack still. First, as you said, she was brought onto national TV to talk about the effects of sex and violence in video games on children, while the amount of evidence that supports that argument is less that the amount of evidence supporting global warming. Second, she makes up statistics about teenagers playing video games to support her argument, while anyone who takes 5 seconds out of their day can look up results that say otherwise. Third, she had her little teehee zomg, no!!1 when asked if she'd done the research and actually played the game in question. Other than that, I don't recall her saying much else beyond and that's what the guy in this game does.

And again, my definition of objectivity doesn't include saying things like forgetful morons or simple fuck to someone who confuses two people in a video, while the expert and smart chick was merely a victim of misinformation and wasn't running her mouth about something she doesn't know anything about. My definition of objectivity doesn't include saying someone that doesn't like a book because of misinformation and made up statistics a fanboy, and someone that doesn't like a game because of misinformation and made up statistics a victim of misinformation. My definition of objectivity doesn't include saying that misquoting a person on the internet is a much worse offense than making up information on national TV.

I also never claimed to be objective, either. You, however, did (http://www.forum.ebaumsworld.com/showpost.php?p=4183885&postcount=57). I just thought one good flaming deserves another.

[AsHopeDies]

Point taken. I agree with you on enough of this to not perpetuate the argument. I will dispute just a couple of points and then I'm done. If you go back and look at a couple of posts in this thread, they quoted some responses to her book from amazon.com. I looked yesterday and couldn't find those quotes, my belief is that they were removed. The quotes that are there now are not those I was referencing. And beyond that, my flaming posts were in response to things that I felt were flames on myself. The sarcastic post about me being Cooper Lawrence was lame and in pour taste in my opinion, so I retaliated. I have no desire to simply flame those who disagree with me, as I imagine you can attest to, I do however get pissed when I feel people are needlessly flaming me and not addressing my points, which is what I felt happened in the first couple of responses to my post.

[pinkyclown]

awesome Parody on the hole thing LULZ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tcf4AuYZDjs&eurl=http://gamepolitics.com/2008/01/29/loadingreadyrun-parodies-fox-news-smear-of-mass-effect/)