Saturn Astra

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This is the ultimate inport killer for America. For those of you from Europe, yo may recongize the Opel or Vauxhall versions. Now it is starting to sell in America as a Saturn, a GM brand that had a lousy reputation until recently, when they launched their version of the new Opel GT and Vectra. The potential for this car is limitless, they can create a redline version to compete with the Mazdaspeed 3 and Subaru WRX STI, and/or they can bring over the drop top to fight the BMW 3 series and Volkswagen Eos. As soon as I go to college this is the car i'm getting. I will soup it up in as many different ways that I can afford. :cool:

http://www.google.com/search?q=Saturn+Astra&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&ie=utf8&oe=utf8

[break3r]

Import Killer for America?

Corvette?
Mustang?
GTO?

Then again it all depends on what Import you speak of. Any pickup truck can beat a stock civic, but I dont think you mean that.

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It targets tuners like the Mazda 3, Honda Civic, Subaru Impreza, and Volkswagen Golf. This is the best car GM has ever introduced to America.

[sheepsoup]

Yeah that pretty much sucks, and nothing has changed around here regarding Saturn. Its reputation is still pretty lousy.

Have fun.

Edit: I will not respond to you further after reading what you said above me ^.

Come back when you get some sense.

[break3r]

It targets tuners like the Mazda 3, Honda Civic, Subaru Impreza, and Volkswagen Golf. This is the best car GM has ever introduced to America.

A Honda Civic? Thats like a Chevy Aveo.

[sheepsoup]

This car has 138 mind-numbing horsepower. It sounds to me like it was meant to compete with the horse-drawn carriage and the Leaning Tower of Pisa.

That puts it 35 ponies ahead of the Aveo, and 300 ponies shy of being a real car.

[Papero]

Looks like a giant piece of garbage.

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Looks like a giant piece of garbage.

You didn't even look did you? :squint:

[sheepsoup]

You didn't even look did you? :squint:

I looked. He's right. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming that you are only joking.

[clutch-monkey]

you'd better get the turbo version since thats really the only model worth owning.

[El Jarretto]

This is the best car GM has ever introduced to America.
No. That is simply wrong. GM has put out better cars than the '08 Astra every year since it started making vehicles.

[yamahadrummer]

im in love with the astra ever sense i saw them in spain.
where the hell is our diesel version!??

[elvis]

vectra > astra.

[Anarchology]

It targets tuners like the Mazda 3, Honda Civic, Subaru Impreza, and Volkswagen Golf. This is the best car GM has ever introduced to America.

Best car GM has introduced? You must be smoking some good shit to say that! Also, I was expecting to see some sleek looking "import killer", and I see what looks like a fucking Prius!

This thread is epic fail!

[MyBike]

This is the ultimate inport killer for America. For those of you from Europe, yo may recongize the Opel or Vauxhall versions. Now it is starting to sell in America as a Saturn, a GM brand that had a lousy reputation until recently, when they launched their version of the new Opel GT and Vectra. The potential for this car is limitless, they can create a redline version to compete with the Mazdaspeed 3 and Subaru WRX STI, and/or they can bring over the drop top to fight the BMW 3 series and Volkswagen Eos. As soon as I go to college this is the car i'm getting. I will soup it up in as many different ways that I can afford. :cool:

http://www.google.com/search?q=Saturn+Astra&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&ie=utf8&oe=utf8

Hi do you work at General Motors?

Is that supposed to kill a BMW?

Are you gonna install a turbo to SOUP it up yo?

Are they going to introduce the Redline version that has a much more powerful enginet? Top Gear did a bit on this car, in short: it understeered like a mother because of a heavy ass engine and too much power and it being fwd.

[reptilian_storm]

We have that car over here as "Vauxhall Astra".

Decent enough cars i guess, the VXR version is quite tasty 240bhp. Most reviews loved it but called the torque steer dangerous.

Infact we have a VXR version throughout the range from the 192bhp 'Corsa' to the 420bhp LS2 V8 'VXR8' ('HSV Clubsport R8' in Oz) even 2 different MPV's that'll hit 60 in 7 secs. :D

http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/vx/vxr/flash/index_main.html

[clutch-monkey]

.

Infact we have a VXR version throughout the range from the 192bhp 'Corsa' to the 420bhp LS2 V8 'VXR8' ('HSV Clubsport R8' in Oz) even 2 different MPV's that'll hit 60 in 7 secs. :D


HSV is adopting the LS3 this year so expect the VXR8 version to pick it up...
do you guys get the statesman or calais versions or only the R8?

[reptilian_storm]

Just the R8 as far as i know. We used to have the Monaro (GTO?) but they discontinued it and replaced it with the R8.

[clutch-monkey]

i was just thinking of the top gear reveiw and how JC didn't like the looks of the R8 - surely vauxhall could sell the largely similar (if luxury biased) yet more subtler looking HSV grange/calais V

[philcoolguy]

Import killer? Aside from actually being an import that's just assembled in America, the thing weighs as much as the new Civic Si's but with 50 less HP. Even when you compare it to just a base model civic, it only has 2 less HP but it weighs a good 300lbs more. And if you can't beat a stock civic, it's nowhere near anything to brag about, much less drool over. Don't mean to sound like an ass but you're deluding yourself, my friend. Not that it looks to be a bad car, it's just not a performance car by any means. It's an econobox daily driver, nothing more. Unless they bring over the VXR version repitilian was talking about, THEN it might get a little bit of respect.

[break3r]

I heard they are making a version with a 427 in it.

[yamahadrummer]

Aside from actually being an import that's just assembled in America

wrong: Antwerp, Belgium :)

[OE800]

This is the best car GM has ever introduced to America.


please go away.

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Ok I admit it, this car may not have the best perfomance, but I think it's pretty and can do a good job against Toyota, Honda, Mazda and Volkswagen. I've seen souped up versions of the European and Australian Astras and I would really want to see them on the streets here in America, especially the twin-top.

[reptilian_storm]

HSV is adopting the LS3 this year so expect the VXR8 version to pick it up...
do you guys get the statesman or calais versions or only the R8?

Just wondering if you guys got the Monaro vxr 500? They were the last of the line GTO's in the UK that came supercharged with 500bhp as standard. :)

Video here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4fFVAIb0KY

Here's a video of the Astra (Saturn) VXR if you wanna see what might come to the USA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xDZonrA2Dw

[clutch-monkey]

Just wondering if you guys got the Monaro vxr 500? They were the last of the line GTO's in the UK that came supercharged with 500bhp as standard. :)

Video here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4fFVAIb0KY

nah there actually wasn't too much point - iirc the last of the GTO's here were LE's and you could get one with a HSV approved supercharger/blueprinted engine etc for less than what the VXR500 sold for.
while it would have been nice it was better suited for the UK where there isn't as much local aftermarket for the monaro's

[reptilian_storm]

Good point.

I'm surprised how scarce the Monaro and VXR8 are here. I think I've seen one of each on our roads. I'm pretty sure they offer the best bang for buck in this country as new unless you go super light and impractical. It seems most people here with cash for a quick cars opt for German cars followed by Lotus and TVR though I'm seeing less and less TVRs recently too. Maybe fuel prices are starting to get the better of us.

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http://ebay.windingroad.com/newsuploads/2007/02/08-saturn-astra-013-600.jpg

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/images/x08st_as01312_450.jpg

http://image.motortrend.com/f/auto-shows/slightly-tuned-saturns-astra-tuner-concept-for-sema/7234887+w600+cr1+re0+ar1/saturn-astra-tuner-concept-front.jpg

http://upload.moldova.org/auto/2007/oct/saturn-astra-3.jpg

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/9346/twintop1wv0.jpg

http://www.egyptiancaroftheyear.com/images/cars/opel_astra_tt.jpg

http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2007/10/29/9071029.002/9071029.002.1M.jpg

http://forum.avtoindex.com/foto/data/media/145/2007_saturn_aura_1.jpg

I honestly dont understand why people hate this car. :mad:

[elliott678]

I honestly dont understand why people hate this car. :mad:
Most don't like it because it is a Saturn, I don't like it because it is kinda gay.

[El Jarretto]

Factory wood grain trim is reason enough.

[yamahadrummer]

the interior looks like an exact copy of our aura
i think the car looks pretty nice, id buy one no questions asked if they brought the diesel version over here, but again, we get jewed

[Nocturnal]

You guys are retarded.

"omg that's crap, a mustang cobra would totally pwn it"

Yeah, no shit. Cars should be judged on what they are, this one is clearly a small sports compact, and from what I've seen it's a very well put together model at that.

[Kumacho]

Hmm. The OP seems to have gotten himself banned. I wonder if it had anything to do with his masturbation thread?

[WEtakinOVER]

i personally think it looks like utter crap. the interior is ok, the outside, not so much. plus its a SATURN! hyundai on the other hand is improving, not that i would quite buy one but in 5 years, they might be up there

[WEtakinOVER]

btw, saturn, good job coping the tsx steerig wheel

[sheepsoup]

Factory wood grain trim is reason enough.

Factory imitation wood-grain trim is reason enough.

[yamahadrummer]

i personally think it looks like utter crap. the interior is ok, the outside, not so much. plus its a SATURN! hyundai on the other hand is improving, not that i would quite buy one but in 5 years, they might be up there

i personally think you should learn how to use the edit button.
and what the fuck is wrong with a new saturn?

Factory imitation wood-grain trim is reason enough.

yea, because they are gonna put real wood in a low to mid priced compact car

[WEtakinOVER]

its not my taste, thats what im saying, and even if was i would still buy something else because chances are that it would cost as much as any other car

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http://z.about.com/d/cars/1/7/B/7/1/ag_08astra_xeintleft.jpg

This is the actual interior, the one i posted previously is the interior from an Astra Redline concept, not the production model.

[printithere]

I like it, Saturn has really upped their game recently.

[yamahadrummer]

http://z.about.com/d/cars/1/7/B/7/1/ag_08astra_xeintleft.jpg

This is the actual interior, the one i posted previously is the interior from an Astra Redline concept, not the production model.

yea, that looks exactly like the one i sat in at the auto show

[clutch-monkey]

it's not a bad alternative to a civic or the like...but the turbo one is really the only one worth the money. that vs a slobalt SS would be a good comparo

[yamahadrummer]

slobalt

oh my, that was funny.

[clutch-monkey]

is..is that sarcasm i detect?

[yamahadrummer]

non at all:p

[clutch-monkey]

non at all:p

:ahhh:

i should probably get out of the habit of saying that in case i talk to someone who has one :uhoh:

[Bo Jackson]

It's not a bad car for that market. It certainly isn't going to be competing with WRXs and Evos. But I think Saturn has definitely transformed itself in the last few years. Their SUVs are sharp, the Skye is very nice looking, and their sedans seem to have some originality to them as well. They're good cars for non-car people.

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http://au.carnewstoday.com/car-news/images/thumbs/lrg_article_6495-img_0.jpg

http://images.motortrend.com/features/auto_news/2007/112_0703_02z+2007_opel_astra_twinTop+front_view.jp g

http://news.hspn.com/content_images/2006/old/irmscherastra2.jpg

http://www.bligblog.com/media/05-21-07/astra_twintop_exblak_lo_011.jpg

http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/V/vauxhall/twintop/03-large/06-twintop-r3q-s2.jpg

If the twin top, is introduced into America, I can gaurentee you that it will be a huge hit. :cool:

http://www.auto-power-girl.com/photo-gallery/opel-corsa-gsi-sri/opel-corsa-gsi-sri-2007-2.jpg

Saturn may also bring the Corsa over to america and an Aura sportwagon, but these are just rumors. These would be nice additions to the lineup though.

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This is what it will look like when it is redesigned in 2011.
http://www.gminsidenews.com/naias/revitalization/SATURN_ASTRA_WP.jpg

[Total Madman]

They're everywhere on British roads. Slow, boring, and overpriced, just how we like them.

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Here are some custom Astras

http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop-460x327/Opel_Astra_H_Facelift_by_Steinmetz_1_4w.jpg
http://www.autounleashed.com/images/opel_astra_opc_nurburgring.jpg
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1345/1265162614_e3a9ba7919.jpg
http://www.carblog.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/opel_astra_opc_race_camp.jpg
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/graphics/2005/02/23/astra12.jpg
http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring/news_reports/images/astra-gtc-1.JPG
http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring/news_reports/images/astra-gtc-4.JPG
http://cobaltss.net/gallery/files/2/4/3/5/newpscopy.jpg

If you still hate this car, than you are one hell of a stereotype!

[elliott678]

If you still hate this car, than you are one hell of a stereotype!
After seeing those, I now hate the car and it's owners. After seeing your post, I now hate people using indigo text.

[clutch-monkey]

i'm sure this car seems exciting and different when you don't have any on your roads.
they're boring as shit.
the VXR is nice, if overstyled.

[RTShadow]

My issue is this... who the hell posts a thread and as his supporting link, uses a freaking google search???

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My issue is this... who the hell posts a thread and as his supporting link, uses a freaking google search???

Well, what else am I supposed to use?

[Kumacho]

Well, what else am I supposed to use?

LOL! It took you almost a month to come up with that response?

Using google to look for information is fine. Linking to a complete google search page is... Umm... Stupid!

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LOL! It took you almost a month to come up with that response?

Using google to look for information is fine. Linking to a complete google search page is... Umm... Stupid!

Watch out, I just figured out how to use imageshack! :D

[jakechav08]

hahah dude im sorry but the astra looks like a piece of shit

[pat99872]

They are nothing but re badged Opels.


I see you have a bad case of saturn fetish..

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They are nothing but re badged Opels.


I see you have a bad case of saturn fetish..

And the Pontiac G8 is nothing but a rebaged Holden. :motz_6:

Chevrolet, an American disaster
I totally agree with you.

[pat99872]

And the Pontiac G8 is nothing but a rebaged Holden. :motz_6:


I totally agree with you.

Pontiac G8 > saturn

:boink:

[clutch-monkey]

And the Pontiac G8 is nothing but a rebaged Holden. :motz_6:
that's what makes it good.
:boink:

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Pontiac G8 > saturn

:boink:

We'll see who has the last laugh when this car beats the shit out of the Honda Civic. :p

[clutch-monkey]

the astra beating a civic? :uhoh:
the VXR maybe..

[elliott678]

We'll see who has the last laugh when this car beats the shit out of the Honda Civic. :pBeating the Civic is like winning the Special Olympics.

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Beating the Civic is like winning the Special Olympics.

You gotta admit, It still has quite a bit of potential!

[clutch-monkey]

i assumed he was talking about the civic type R :ahhh:

[elliott678]

You gotta admit, It still has quite a bit of potential!It is a wrong wheel drive hatchback, it has no potential.

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It is a wrong wheel drive hatchback, it has no potential.

you have no potential, this car is a huge step for GM in terms of small, fuel-efficent cars.

[clutch-monkey]

it was, 3 years ago when it came out :uhoh:

[elliott678]

it was, 3 years ago when it came out :uhoh:Not to mention the predecessors to it weren't much different.

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it was, 3 years ago when it came out :uhoh:

It just came out this year, pay more attention please :p

[printithere]

Are you really that dumb? The Astra will NOT kill the civic, the only thing that can stand a chance is the Cobalt SS.

265 HP turbo 4, a 0-60 of 5.7, a PLETHORA (Been waiting to use it for awhile now) of factory installed options, even a full catback exhaust.

All for a few thousand cheaper than a Civic Si. And it has front brembo calipers. lol.

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They are nothing but re badged Opels.


I see you have a bad case of saturn fetish..

Hey, at least I changed my avatar! :p

[pat99872]

LOL, at least your new avatar is less vomit inducing.

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LOL, at least your new avatar is less vomit inducing.

Cheers to my 666th post :boink:

[Rangus]

its a holden astra

[clutch-monkey]

thank you captain fucking obvious
it's also a vauxhall astra, opel astra etc

[shredder1223]

This car was engineered to be a daily driver, not a race car.

[Kumacho]

And the Pontiac G8 is nothing but a rebaged Holden. :motz_6:


I totally agree with you.

So let me see if I have this right... You agree with Pat that Chevy is a national disaster and yet you have this thread dedicated to a Saturn?

You do realize that Saturn is a GM product and Chevrolet is the largest brand under GM don't you?

Does anyone else see the irony in this thread?

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So let me see if I have this right... You agree with Pat that Chevy is a national disaster and yet you have this thread dedicated to a Saturn?

You do realize that Saturn is a GM product and Chevrolet is the largest brand under GM don't you?

Does anyone else see the irony in this thread?

The only irony I see is that you still have your avatar after your 350Z got totaled. :p

[Kumacho]

The only irony I see is that you still have your avatar after your 350Z got totaled. :p

You haven't been paying attention:

1) The Z wasn't totalled. It had $ 10,765.00 damage and is nearly repaired.
2) I have been looking for other cars, but still own the Z.
3) What the fuck does this have to do with the fact that you say Chevy sucks but Saturn appears to give you a full on woody?

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You haven't been paying attention:

1) The Z wasn't totalled. It had $ 10,765.00 damage and is nearly repaired.
2) I have been looking for other cars, but still own the Z.
3) What the fuck does this have to do with the fact that you say Chevy sucks but Saturn appears to give you a full on woody?

Chevy's are boring (except for the Vette' and Camaro) they have no liveliness to them at all, they are just boring. Saturn on the other hand takes pride in making cars that are exciting, that stand out, and are eco friendly. It has the potential to change the defeniton of an American car company. We will no longer take pride in our lust for gas-guzzling monsters, we will take pride in our respect for mother nature, and we will take pride in our respect for others.

I like turdles

[Kumacho]

Chevy's are boring (except for the Vette' and Camaro) they have no liveliness to them at all, they are just boring. Saturn on the other hand takes pride in making cars that are exciting, that stand out, and are eco friendly. It has the potential to change the defeniton of an American car company. We will no longer take pride in our lust for gas-guzzling monsters, we will take pride in our respect for mother nature, and we will take pride in our respect for others.

I like turdles

Holy Al Gore Batman!

Nice speach, however inaccurate or uninformed it may be.

Again, Chevrolet and Saturn are both GM products...

Chevrolet was so far ahead of the "green movement" that their attempt to institute sales of electric cars fell on the deaf ears of the American public. Much of what was learned from Chevrolet's early electric cars was put into a new platform called the "Volt". While this is a concept, it will be put into production.

Hmm... Who else has a fully electric car? Surely not Saturn.

Your argument is, while emotional and spirited, uninformed...

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Holy Al Gore Batman!

Nice speach, however inaccurate or uninformed it may be.

Again, Chevrolet and Saturn are both GM products...

Chevrolet was so far ahead of the "green movement" that their attempt to institute sales of electric cars fell on the deaf ears of the American public. Much of what was learned from Chevrolet's early electric cars was put into a new platform called the "Volt". While this is a concept, it will be put into production.

Hmm... Who else has a fully electric car? Surely not Saturn.

Your argument is, while emotional and spirited, uninformed...

The volt is not purely electric, and the Vue two-mode hybrid is exactly the same.

[Kumacho]

The Volt and yes the Vue too are powered by electricity. There are engines on both that do not drive the drive train, instead they charge the batteries. In the case of the Volt, this provides a 640 mile range.

However, this still doesn't address the fact that both Saturn and Chevrolet are GM...

[printithere]

Chevy's are boring (except for the Vette' and Camaro) they have no liveliness to them at all, they are just boring. Saturn on the other hand takes pride in making cars that are exciting, that stand out, and are eco friendly. It has the potential to change the defeniton of an American car company. We will no longer take pride in our lust for gas-guzzling monsters, we will take pride in our respect for mother nature, and we will take pride in our respect for others.

I like turdles

:lol:

Please stop.

[printithere]

The mere fact that you think a redline version can compete with man cars such as a 3 series or a STi is proof enough that you are retarded.

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:lol:

Please stop.
The mere fact that you think a redline version can compete with man cars such as a 3 series or a STi is proof enough that you are retarded.

If you people don't stop giving me crap, I'll change my avatar back just to annoy you! :D