Edison High School on Lockdown

[Jay-Z]

http://www.nbc6.net/news/15449352/detail.html

Apparently some kid was put in a chokehold by the assistant principal or something and the students decided to have some sort of protest which led to a huge fight. Police showed up in riot gear and started taking students away, I dunno if the fight started before or after the police showed up though. At any rate the school is now on lockdown, parents aren't allowed in, and students arent allowed out. Its a predominantly black school in Miami though.. (no racist)

What do you guys think?

[ryan41]

wow at first i thought it was Edison, NJ...

anyway..not much information right now bout the altercation/following protests but it will be interesting to see how that develops. I wonder what race the parties involved were, cause like you said the school is predominately black, so race issues always involve in these types of situations.

the principal will have a lot of explaining to do and probably be at a high risk of getting fired.

[_Joe]

http://www.nbc6.net/news/15449352/detail.html

Apparently some kid was put in a chokehold by the assistant principal or something and the students decided to have some sort of protest which led to a huge fight. Police showed up in riot gear and started taking students away, I dunno if the fight started before or after the police showed up though. At any rate the school is now on lockdown, parents aren't allowed in, and students arent allowed out. Its a predominantly black school in Miami though.. (no racist)

What do you guys think?

"We have begun parent reunification," Hurley said. "That's on the east side of the building on the basketball courts. It's going to be a very controlled release process whereby parents can come and pick up their students and get them home."


Hilarious. Well, there were several occasions at my HS where kids who were fighting were thrown against lockers or down to the ground by assistant principals or teachers. No one really thought much of it though, they were breaking up a fight. When my dad was in school if you started fighting a teacher could essentially kick your ass. I would like to hear what the AP actually did, it sounds like what he did was over the top (actually choking the kid out.)

[drahkcorjc]

Hilarious. Well, there were several occasions at my HS where kids who were fighting were thrown against lockers or down to the ground by assistant principals or teachers. No one really thought much of it though, they were breaking up a fight. When my dad was in school if you started fighting a teacher could essentially kick your ass. I would like to hear what the AP actually did, it sounds like what he did was over the top (actually choking the kid out.)

When I was in highschool, I remember seeing a fight and the wrestling coach slammed the antagonist on the floor and put him in a hold until he calmed down. That kid went on to squish his head in a DWI crash.

[TFS]

That's about the best you can do in that situation...

The faculty-student relationship broke down, order had to be restored, and I would not want my kids just being released without knowing myself that they got home safely. I'd rather they spend a few extra hours at the school in lockdown and I drive them home myself than them just going out on the streets unsupervised with every other kid (and in this case faculty) also unsupervised.

Sounds like the police did what they're supposed to: move into an uncontrolled situation and diffuse it.

[silverspade14]

My principle puts people in headlock when they get in fights. For some reason I think there has only been 1 fight at my school this year and it was a girlfight.

[kevinsmith]

My principle puts people in headlock when they get in fights. For some reason I think there has only been 1 fight at my school this year and it was a girlfight.

Well, it's an interesting conundrum in which we place our educators now days. We expect them to discipline our children as we don't any more at home. Then we bitch at them for having to discipline our children. I don't know a very effective way of breaking up a fight between two people going at it that doesn't require a physical approach. If they're all out fighting, not just circling each other, yelling isn't going to stop much. Chance are the sound just blurs into the chanting of the rest of the kids enjoying the action. But in the same breath, if they don't stop the fight soon enough and a kid gets hurt, they are going to get sued for that. It's a lose lose situation.

[karks]

this is what really happened, after watching a bunch of eye witness reports and reading like every news page there is, Ive figured out the truth.

On Thursday, February 28, 2008, a student printed out a paper and was asked by Mr. Perez, a school administrator, to show him what it says. The student said it was private, and then ran off. Mr. Perez came into a student classroom, choked and slammed him into the ground. The student was later arrested by the police.
On Friday, February 29, 2008, almost the whole school decided to protest against the brutality they had witnessed the day before. The police did not ask the students to stop or disperse, instead the police just charged into them, started tackling them, tazering them, little kids were bleeding from the mouth after being hit with nightsticks, 2 pregnant girls were attacked by police. The students were not acting violent, the criminals were the authorities using excessive violence for no apparent reason.

This is not the first time Mr. Perez has attacked a studet. He often acts violently unnecessarily.
Lots of the students were or are still in lock down in the cafeteria, there was a video on youtube (http://youtube.com/watch?v=OlWkA0ggS-Y) that shows blood on the ground/tables.

[TFS]

this is what really happened, after watching a bunch of eye witness reports and reading like every news page there is, Ive figured out the truth.

On Thursday, February 28, 2008, a student printed out a paper and was asked by Mr. Perez, a school administrator, to show him what it says. The student said it was private, and then ran off. Mr. Perez came into a student classroom, choked and slammed him into the ground. The student was later arrested by the police.
On Friday, February 29, 2008, almost the whole school decided to protest against the brutality they had witnessed the day before. The police did not ask the students to stop or disperse, instead the police just charged into them, started tackling them, tazering them, little kids were bleeding from the mouth after being hit with nightsticks 2 pregnant girls were attacked by police.
This is not the first time Mr. Perez has attacked a studet. He often acts violently when unnecessary.
Lots of the students were or are still in lock down in the cafeteria, there was a video on youtube(http://youtube.com/watch?v=OlWkA0ggS-Y) that shows blood on the ground/tables.

I had something similar where students perceived what the police ordered us to do as wrong and compared being confined to the football stadium for an afternoon to being in a Nazi concentration camp. So I take the accusation that little kids and pregnant girls were beaten and bloodied by police with quite a few grains of salt.

That blood could have easily come from the fight that occurred and was the cause for the police being called in the first place. Not one kid involved is going to say "yeah I did it" in this situation, just like at army training over the summer when an entire platoon rushed and beat a drill sergeant down, none of them owed up to it despite the obvious (and no, I was not in that platoon, I was in the platoon next to them and watched it happened and held a few people in my platoon back from charging into the fray).

And putting students in a headlock to subdue them from fighting is one thing...choking and slamming a student is never acceptable in anything but a defensive effort.

[kevinsmith]

Yeah, like kids are ever going to side with the cops.
It's cool to play victim, it's cool to hate the cops, and they'll never admit purposefully what they were doing. I do like the "we were going to go outside and riot."

[karks]

Yeah, like kids are ever going to side with the cops.
It's cool to play victim, it's cool to hate the cops, and they'll never admit purposefully what they were doing. I do like the "we were going to go outside and riot."

She used the word riot because she goes to a school that gets no federal funding....
Your a fuckin idiot if are you implying that they werent attacked by the police. Are you saying that police were the victims? wtf is that supposed to mean, theyre never gonna side with the police, no shit, the police were violating their rights, I wouldnt side with the police either.

How mentally disabled are you that you think the authorities are angels and the students who were asking for the school to kick out a violent administrator, perez, were the evil ones here.

You are a dumbass, go vote guliani you moron.(i know he dropped out)

[karks]

but I mean, yeah, the kids must have all gotten together just before the media showed up, and told each other that theyre gonna tell the media they were attacked by the police, and that theyre gonna come up with a few stories like pregnant girls being thrown to the ground and beat up so they can get support. The police to date have never commited any crimes, and what kind of un-american terrorist would side with these degenerate criminals in this school, they should all be expelled and thrown in prison for saying that a school administrator was acting violently or even hinting that they get a say in how their school is run.

[Buddah]

if it was a white school it would be like wutevar dudes ur suspended and everyone goes home.

Since this is a black school we have to take some action!
(norassses)

[kevinsmith]

She used the word riot because she goes to a school that gets no federal funding....
Your a fuckin idiot if are you implying that they werent attacked by the police. Are you saying that police were the victims? wtf is that supposed to mean, theyre never gonna side with the police, no shit, the police were violating their rights, I wouldnt side with the police either.

How mentally disabled are you that you think the authorities are angels and the students who were asking for the school to kick out a violent administrator, perez, were the evil ones here.

You are a dumbass, go vote guliani you moron.(i know he dropped out)

Hey, watch the name calling and double posting here. I wouldn't go around calling people retards when you haven't read the rules of conduct of this forum.

I'm not saying the cops were victims, but what I am saying is I would like to see some evidence other than emotional kids, who always hate cops, blaming the cops. Let's see the evidence of the cops over reacting. All I have is some emotional kids, who aren't going to say "we were rioting and they stopped it" even if they were, and some new comer to the board. Not saying the cops didn't over step their bounds, but more often than not, cops aren't out there thumping kids head's skulls for the sake of thumping skulls. Sure, people will say they are because we like to be victims in this society, and authority will piss us off.


but I mean, yeah, the kids must have all gotten together just before the media showed up, and told each other that theyre gonna tell the media they were attacked by the police, and that theyre gonna come up with a few stories like pregnant girls being thrown to the ground and beat up so they can get support. The police to date have never commited any crimes, and what kind of un-american terrorist would side with these degenerate criminals in this school, they should all be expelled and thrown in prison for saying that a school administrator was acting violently or even hinting that they get a say in how their school is run.


And kids have never over reacted, acted emotionally and broke the rules and then complained when they get put back into line.

[TFS]

Keven, you didn't dispute the assumption you're voting Guliani...;)




The kids are victims of an abusive assistant principal. The kids reacted in a way that, in their limited world experience coupled with their cultural upbringing, seemed justified and morally right. A fight broke out, some kids got bloodied up, and the cops were called to restore order and turn them all over to their parents.

Note that it doesn't say anywhere that any kids were placed under arrest, just detained until their parents came to take custody of them.

Blood on the floor only indicates that blood was spilled, not by whom it was spilled. All eye witnesses in this situation interviewed by the media, that loves the most dramatic story they can find in any situation, were kids that were involved in the incident. There's no way in hell they could be taken as objective unbiased witnesses.

[kevinsmith]

Keven, you didn't dispute the assumption you're voting Guliani...;)



I kinda thought that considering the source and the futility of placeing such a vote, dispute was moot.
Heh...that rhymed.
Anyway, I see our new friend was banned. Hopefully he'll play nicer when he comes back.

Anyway, I agree with you...sounds like the principal likely went over board, and kids being kids, reacted emotionally and with force.

[EVO_9MR]

that one lady being interviewed needs to learn some proper english. No wonder shit like this happens in that area.

[Jay-Z]

Keven, you didn't dispute the assumption you're voting Guliani...;)




The kids are victims of an abusive assistant principal. The kids reacted in a way that, in their limited world experience coupled with their cultural upbringing, seemed justified and morally right.

But that doesn't justify shit. Just because you think its right doesn't make it so.

[TFS]

But that doesn't justify shit. Just because you think its right doesn't make it so.

What the fuck are you talking about? What did I say was right? What did I try to justify?

The assistant principal was an asshole who should have never worked around kids.

The kids responded in a way in which the faculty could no longer maintain order and ensure the safety for the kids or themselves, which to them seemed appropriate but any rational adult would agree is not correct and doesn't help anything.

The cops were called, restored order (no proof of police brutality is known to exist, which leads me to believe it didn't happen), and held the kids until their parents could come and pick them up.

What is wrong with this?

[Eaglefan9727]

While I really dont know the whole truth about what happen in the case. Both the kids and Mr. Perez were in the wrong.

As someone reported, It all started from Mr. Perez, a school administrator, slamming a kid after the kid did not want to show what was printed out on a paper during school on school property. The kid was also wrong once he did not want to show Mr. Perez, a school administrator, what was printed out on paper as the kid was on school property at the time and during school sessions. Any school administrator has a right to see what was printed out if they choose to.

Once again, We have another case where we have the "He said, they said", So who knows what really happened.

[Jay-Z]

What the fuck are you talking about? What did I say was right? What did I try to justify?

The assistant principal was an asshole who should have never worked around kids.

The kids responded in a way in which the faculty could no longer maintain order and ensure the safety for the kids or themselves, which to them seemed appropriate but any rational adult would agree is not correct and doesn't help anything.

The cops were called, restored order (no proof of police brutality is known to exist, which leads me to believe it didn't happen), and held the kids until their parents could come and pick them up.

What is wrong with this?
You said, "The kids reacted in a way that, in their limited world experience coupled with their cultural upbringing, seemed justified and morally right." Sounds like a defense to me.

[TFS]

You said, "The kids reacted in a way that, in their limited world experience coupled with their cultural upbringing, seemed justified and morally right." Sounds like a defense to me.

Calm down, read it again. I'm not blaming anyone for anything here except the principal. The kids behaved poorly, but we have cops for the very reason of people behaving in that manner from time to time, and they performed wonderfully.

The kids are kids. They're irresponsible. Yes, they need to be disciplined for what they did there, but they're kids. They get shit wrong, that's part of growing up. Hopefully their parents understand what discipline and personal accountability are.

Get off my nuts about it.

[fatmoocow]

We have had lock downs when a mom punched out the principle. And when a nest of rats broke through a wall and covered the hall ways. Yea American city Public schools...

And teachers and our security gaurds always have to us force to stop fights.

[karks]

These are 14-18 year old KIDS
you DO NOT USE VIOLENCE AGAINST CHILDREN
There is no justification for the police detaining them in the cafeteria, this kind of thing causes severe emotional and psychological damage, that will stay with a human being for life.

If the kids cant attack the police and the school administrator, then police should not attack(use force) the kids. The cops said the reason they started arresting people and attacking them was because there was milk and water being thrown at them, how irresponsible and emotionally unstable do you have to be to assault children for throwing water and milk at you? Especially when all they were doing was voicing their opinion about a violent school administrator. And no, perez had no right to choke and slam the kid for not showing him a piece of paper, call the authorities to escort him out.

Someone needs to stop being violent, and it sure as hell wasn't a bunch of children who were committing violent acts, and if they were then there was something seriously wrong in either their household environment or the only other environment where they are spending time at.

Wake up, human beings are not violent for no reason, the police have these powers so that children will be taught obedience and silence. That is a bad thing, their 1st amendment rights were violated on friday, and there is no denying that, because they were minding their own business, which was their personal safety. Children should not feel unsafe in any environment, and if they do, something needs to be fixed, it sure as hell isn't the kids who need the fixing.

[_Joe]

These are 14-18 year old KIDS
you DO NOT USE VIOLENCE AGAINST CHILDREN
There is no justification for the police detaining them in the cafeteria, this kind of thing causes severe emotional and psychological damage, that will stay with a human being for life.Unless they're doing very adult things, like committing assault or rioting.

If the kids cant attack the police and the school administrator, then police should not attack(use force) the kids. The cops said the reason they started arresting people and attacking them was because there was milk and water being thrown at them, how irresponsible and emotionally unstable do you have to be to assault children for throwing water and milk at you?Legally that's assaulting an officer, a very serious offense. Some officers were injured in the incident, full pints of milk tend to be heavier than you think.


Especially when all they were doing was voicing their opinion about a violent school administrator.Do that with speech, not with violent action.

And no, perez had no right to choke and slam the kid for not showing him a piece of paper, call the authorities to escort him out.I thought he was breaking up a fight, was the original article wrong? He choke slammed a kid for not showing him a piece of paper?

Someone needs to stop being violent, and it sure as hell wasn't a bunch of children who were committing violent acts, and if they were then there was something seriously wrong in either their household environment or the only other environment where they are spending time at.They assaulted police officers, technically...

Wake up, human beings are not violent for no reason, the police have these powers so that children will be taught obedience and silence. That is a bad thing, their 1st amendment rights were violated on friday, and there is no denying that, because they were minding their own business, which was their personal safety. Children should not feel unsafe in any environment, and if they do, something needs to be fixed, it sure as hell isn't the kids who need the fixing.Correct, the kids got riled up into a mob mentality, reason broke down and only anger prevailed, and they didn't want to go through the usual channels to get a school administrator fired, they wanted to hole themselves up in the school and throw objects at police. Not smart.

Granted, the actions of the administrator sound like they were unwarranted and unacceptable, but that doesn't justify the actions of the students.


According to eyewitnesses, 40 to 50 students took on police and school administrators. Some of the fights spilled out into the streets and were caught on NBC 6 cameras.
I'd like to see that video

[TFS]

These are 14-18 year old KIDS
you DO NOT USE VIOLENCE AGAINST CHILDREN
There is no justification for the police detaining them in the cafeteria, this kind of thing causes severe emotional and psychological damage, that will stay with a human being for life.

If the kids cant attack the police and the school administrator, then police should not attack(use force) the kids. The cops said the reason they started arresting people and attacking them was because there was milk and water being thrown at them, how irresponsible and emotionally unstable do you have to be to assault children for throwing water and milk at you? Especially when all they were doing was voicing their opinion about a violent school administrator. And no, perez had no right to choke and slam the kid for not showing him a piece of paper, call the authorities to escort him out.

Someone needs to stop being violent, and it sure as hell wasn't a bunch of children who were committing violent acts, and if they were then there was something seriously wrong in either their household environment or the only other environment where they are spending time at.

Wake up, human beings are not violent for no reason, the police have these powers so that children will be taught obedience and silence. That is a bad thing, their 1st amendment rights were violated on friday, and there is no denying that, because they were minding their own business, which was their personal safety. Children should not feel unsafe in any environment, and if they do, something needs to be fixed, it sure as hell isn't the kids who need the fixing.

I have yet to see proof that it was the cops that inflicted physical harm on any kids as opposed to just other kids rioting.

Prove the cops attacked kids or shut the hell up already.


And even if the cops did assault them, if you don't want to get assaulted by cops in riot gear, the answer is simple: don't participate in a riot. Life lessons: either you learn this from watching what happens to rioters on TV, or you're a dumbass and you learn it the hard way. These kids, if they were assaulted, learned it the hard way, and it's no one's fault but their own.

Unlawful actions of a faculty member do not constitute a fucking riot. And detaining the kids until their parents come pick them up is the only responsible thing to do. What the fuck would you suggest the cops do, just let the kids go riot in the streets and release them from the school without any kind of supervision because "they're just kids."

I hope you never have kids if you're willing to put them up on a pedistal like this instead of instilling a sense of humility and personal accountability and forethought in them through discipline when they demonstrate a lack of those things.

[Death_Revenant]

black schools ftw!