View Full Version : Diplomatic crisis between Colombia, Venezuela, and Ecuador
david_slupper
03-02-2008, 11:21 PM
Things have gotten pretty ugly diplomatically after Colombian armed forces bombed and killed FARC's number 2 in command.
Chavez has sent thousands of troops and many tanks to the Colombian border and has closed Venezuela's embassy in Colombia.
A few minutes ago, it was announced that Ecuador was expelling Colombia's ambassador and was sending troops to the Colombian border.
Ecuador's President Rafael Correa withdrew his government's ambassador in Bogota, Colombia, and ordered troops to the country's border following a Colombian raid against leftist rebels inside Ecuador.
The move on Sunday followed Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez's order of 10 battalions of military forces to his country's border with Colombia and the closure of Venezuela's embassy in Bogota.
The reaction came to an operation carried out at dawn Saturday by Colombia's national police and its air force in Ecuador, which resulted in the death of the second-in-command of the FARC rebels group, Luis Edgar Devia Silva, known as "Raul Reyes."
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/03/02/chavez.colombia/index.html
Man, things are getting ugly down there. Hopefully the situation will diffuse soon.
BlueQuarter
03-02-2008, 11:47 PM
CNN Breaking News--
Ecuador's president has ordered troops to the border with Colombia, following a similar move by Venezuela
The Colombia gov't had all right to kill the FARCs' 2nd in command.
F.A.R.C are just one of the more "Sophisticated" terrorist organizations. Equipped with their own full functional bases, websites, prisons. They have had Canadian and American hostages for 6 years+. Supposed no abuse, "well" fed, clean water...
Don't let it fool you. They been keeping Colombia at war for ages. Heavy supporters for the drug trade.. Their main source of income, of course.
They've bombed many hotspots in Bogota, such as the Bolivar, Presidential palace.
They need to retreat to the Colombian gov't/Military, or lay own their arms and go provide to society. They have their choice..
david_slupper
03-02-2008, 11:58 PM
Well, yeah, they're terrorists. But it doesn't take away from the fact that bombing inside a foreign country is a serious violation of sovereignty.
Colombian officials have long complained that Ecuador's military does not control its sparsely populated border, allowing rebels to take refuge on its territory.
Colombia's government said late Sunday that documents found where Reyes was killed show that the rebel group was in close contact and was deepening relations with Ecuador's president.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23435878/
Hmmm, things are getting even spicier.
So, I've been kinda preoccupied with the Middle East and African conflicts. What is going on here, and how did this happen? Is it all about Columbia supporting the drug industry? It sound that way from how everyone is talking about FARC, and it sounds like FARC is in Columbia, am I right?
Canuk
03-03-2008, 12:03 AM
Hopefully there will be a war between Columbia and Venezuela. I say this because the Columbian Army is way better than Venezuela's which will result in Hugo Chavez getting his fat head kicked in when the Colombians seize his Capital.
BlueQuarter
03-03-2008, 12:07 AM
Well, yeah, they're terrorists. But it doesn't take away from the fact that bombing inside a foreign country is a serious violation of sovereignty.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23435878/
Hmmm, things are getting even spicier.
It is, for sure.. But, lets say, we need for a 100% without a doubt fact that Al-Queda's #2 was resting within a Pakistani hillside and we bombed it, would that be justified? I think most would agree. For the Colombian Military got their target.
bobtheflob
03-03-2008, 12:28 AM
It is, for sure.. But, lets say, we need for a 100% without a doubt fact that Al-Queda's #2 was resting within a Pakistani hillside and we bombed it, would that be justified? I think most would agree. For the Colombian Military got their target.
I think things like this have happened in Pakistan.
david_slupper
03-03-2008, 12:44 AM
So, I've been kinda preoccupied with the Middle East and African conflicts. What is going on here, and how did this happen? Is it all about Columbia supporting the drug industry? It sound that way from how everyone is talking about FARC, and it sounds like FARC is in Columbia, am I right?
FARC is a Marxist terrorist group in Colombia that has waged a 40 decade war against the Colombian government.
They have recently been weakened by a strong security policies of current president Alvaro Uribe.
This Saturday, FARC's second in command was killed in Ecuadorian territory in a bombing by Colombia's military forces. And this is what precipitated this crisis.
It is, for sure.. But, lets say, we need for a 100% without a doubt fact that Al-Queda's #2 was resting within a Pakistani hillside and we bombed it, would that be justified? I think most would agree. For the Colombian Military got their target.
True. Can't really argue against that. I guess sometimes there are things that take precedence over another country's sovereignty.
FARC is a Marxist terrorist group in Colombia that has waged a 40 decade war against the Colombian government.
They have recently been weakened by a strong security policies of current president Alvaro Uribe.
This Saturday, FARC's second in command was killed in Ecuadorian territory in a bombing by Colombia's military forces. And this is what precipitated this crisis.
True. Can't really argue against that. I guess sometimes there are things that take precedence over another country's sovereignty.
Oh, ok. I kinda had it backwards. Thanks
BlueQuarter
03-03-2008, 01:01 AM
I think things like this have happened in Pakistan.
Exactly...
& it happened in South America. Do what you gotta do..
For the greater picture of peace.
greg vs greg
03-03-2008, 01:04 AM
The only solution...
Colezuedor!!!!! :eek:
NastyEvilDemon
03-03-2008, 02:37 AM
Let's hope for the best... maybe all three countries will just kill each other.
bergshadow
03-03-2008, 03:32 AM
The majority of the terrorism in Colombia has been from the government supported (US supported, same as) paramilitary groups - they've been pretty nasty. And of course they don't appreciate having their drug export income poached by FARC. The El Salvador strategy has not been working as well in Colombia, for various reasons.
Ecuador may be concerned about some kind of Contra-type attack against itself - as well as, of course, wanting some kind of diplomatic arrangement of bombing raids inside its borders.
The biological and chemical weaponry being used agaisnt the peasantry in Colombia is probably something Ecuador doesn't want to experience, either - and it's delivered by air.
IrishNed
03-03-2008, 06:35 AM
FARC is a Marxist terrorist group in Colombia that has waged a 40 decade war against the Colombian government. 40 decade?? That's 400 years! Was Karl Marx born 400-years ago?? They have recently been weakened by a strong security policies of current president Alvaro Uribe.
This Saturday, FARC's second in command was killed in Ecuadorian territory in a bombing by Colombia's military forces. And this is what precipitated this crisis. ... ¡Viva Uribe!
American Infidel
03-03-2008, 07:28 AM
Wait a minute, now!!! I've always been told that Hugo Chavez was a peaceful man...a promoter of peace...a huge teddy bear, beloved by Danny Glover and Cindy Shehan and Susan Sarandon. He could never stoop so low, like evil America has, to resort to warfare!!!
david_slupper
03-03-2008, 09:11 AM
The only solution...
Colezuedor!!!!! :eek:
That sounds like the name of a monster out of a horror movie.
Let's hope for the best... maybe all three countries will just kill each other.
What a nasty and immature thing to say.
Wait a minute, now!!! I've always been told that Hugo Chavez was a peaceful man...a promoter of peace...a huge teddy bear, beloved by Danny Glover and Cindy Shehan and Susan Sarandon. He could never stoop so low, like evil America has, to resort to warfare!!!
Chavez is a clown. He seems more pissed than the Ecuadorians even though no Venezuelan soil was involved. He's just looking for a fight.
40 decade?? That's 400 years! Was Karl Marx born 400-years ago?? ¡Viva Uribe!
My bad, I meant 4 decade war. And Carl Marx was from the 18th century.
Wait a minute, now!!! I've always been told that Hugo Chavez was a peaceful man...a promoter of peace...a huge teddy bear, beloved by Danny Glover and Cindy Shehan and Susan Sarandon. He could never stoop so low, like evil America has, to resort to warfare!!!
They all voiced their support of Hugo Chavez.....?
chalupa
03-03-2008, 11:27 AM
So am I going to be able to get some yay this weekend or not?
Bergs
03-03-2008, 11:42 AM
They all voiced their support of Hugo Chavez.....?
Yes, they have. But who cares? Who gives a rats ass what Danny Glover, Susan Serandon or poor dillusional Cindy Sheehan who has been used and manipulated by people pretending to be her friend has to say? Anybody who approves of their actions already agreed with them beforehand.
shade
03-03-2008, 11:57 AM
Just think... if farmers in Kentucky were allowed to grow marijuana and sell it legally, we would reduce the amount of chaos in the world so significantly.
Yes, they have. But who cares? Who gives a rats ass what Danny Glover, Susan Serandon or poor dillusional Cindy Sheehan who has been used and manipulated by people pretending to be her friend? Anybody who approves of their actions alreayd agreed with them beforehand.
I don't care, I just thought Heather was making that up, I just had never heard that before.
Just think... if farmers in Kentucky were allowed to grow marijuana and sell it legally, we would reduce the amount of chaos in the world so significantly.
Regulation would solve a lot of problems, but I don't know how soon that can be accomplished.
chalupa
03-03-2008, 12:12 PM
Just think... if farmers in Kentucky were allowed to grow marijuana and sell it legally, we would reduce the amount of chaos in the world so significantly.
If you are serious then I want to hold you, hold you close to me.
When we had prohibition, we created a class of criminals. Same thing with the War on Drugs...a little rationality and sanity could go a long way towards reducing the problem. Take the taxes from regulating pot and apply them towards rehab programs for the bad stuff, and then focus on keeping the bad stuff out.
If you are serious then I want to hold you, hold you close to me.
When we had prohibition, we created a class of criminals. Same thing with the War on Drugs...a little rationality and sanity could go a long way towards reducing the problem. Take the taxes from regulating pot and apply them towards rehab programs for the bad stuff, and then focus on keeping the bad stuff out.
That makes too much sense, though.
NastyEvilDemon
03-03-2008, 01:13 PM
What a nasty and immature thing to say.
Hmmm... the communist oil dealer that hates us and taunts us, vs. the largest producer of heroin and cocaine. Yes, can see why you want to keep them alive. They're so useful to the global community.
Swindler
03-03-2008, 01:28 PM
Chavez is a clown. He seems more pissed than the Ecuadorians even though no Venezuelan soil was involved. He's just looking for a fight
And he's been looking for one for some time. Colombia is the last big holdout down there against Chavez's dream of a united socialist South America. For those interested, check out the map on this page illustrating the political atmosphere:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/americas/06/year_of_elections/html/nn1page1.stm
A war may not be confined to just conflict between Venezuela and Colombia. I wonder if the U.S. would overtly enter the conflict to assist Colombia if it did reach a boiling point? The National Liberation Army and Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) would certainly devote everything they have to toppling Uribe's government.
Fungus Amungus
03-03-2008, 02:17 PM
And he's been looking for one for some time. Colombia is the last big holdout down there against Chavez's dream of a united socialist South America. For those interested, check out the map on this page illustrating the political atmosphere:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/americas/06/year_of_elections/html/nn1page1.stm
A war may not be confined to just conflict between Venezuela and Colombia. I wonder if the U.S. would overtly enter the conflict to assist Colombia if it did reach a boiling point? The National Liberation Army and Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) would certainly devote everything they have to toppling Uribe's government.
If this turns into a world war I would say so.
Jenovah
03-03-2008, 02:27 PM
Hmmm... the communist oil dealer that hates us and taunts us, vs. the largest producer of heroin and cocaine. Yes, can see why you want to keep them alive. They're so useful to the global community.
But you're wishing for the elimination of THREE countries, does that include the rest of the people as well or just their leaders?
Either way it's too extreme IMO.
david_slupper
03-03-2008, 02:31 PM
Just think... if farmers in Kentucky were allowed to grow marijuana and sell it legally, we would reduce the amount of chaos in the world so significantly.
True. It would completely cut off a big portion of FARC's earnings.
Zardozus
03-03-2008, 05:51 PM
Here is what is pissing me off right now - I got the CNN on and waiting to see some sort of update on this situation,
but,
Instead,
Its nothing but Clinton vs Obama, something about 'Britney' and then more talk about Campaign scandals etc.
Somebody ought to be covering this since its a fairly serious news event and... oh, some story about 'hugging in school' now.
Here is what is pissing me off right now - I got the CNN on and waiting to see some sort of update on this situation,
but,
Instead,
Its nothing but Clinton vs Obama, something about 'Britney' and then more talk about Campaign scandals etc.
Somebody ought to be covering this since its a fairly serious news event and... oh, some story about 'hugging in school' now.
Apparently people are tired of war, so it doesn't get ratings. ;)
jmanderson69
03-03-2008, 07:17 PM
Third World shitholes blowing fuck out of each other...who cares?
DaSauce`
03-03-2008, 07:27 PM
I'm an American with Colombian descent....and I'm going to Venezuela next month........BOY AM I LUCKY OR WHAT?! -_-
bergshadow
03-03-2008, 07:46 PM
Colombia - the third or fourth largest recipient of US military aid for many years now - has never made the headlines much in the US.
It's not the big source of heroin - that's our other big military aid destination, Afghanistan (one of the best ways to predict future trends in US street drugs is to keep track of where the US is sending its military "advisers" and weaponry, and check on the local drugs available there. If there are any, they'll be on US streets in a few months.). From Colombia we get cocaine - the peasantry's last available crop, after their local agriculture was undermined by US subsidised imports, and their attempts at growing coffee and such for export were trashed by US sponsored destruction of their production cartels (necessary in small farming for insulation against the large price swings of international markets).
A war may not be confined to just conflict between Venezuela and Colombia. I wonder if the U.S. would overtly enter the conflict to assist Colombia if it did reach a boiling point? The US has been an overt presence - with weapons and personnel and so forth - for decades now.
Colombia has oil, and other profitable resources. It is currently being governed by competing armies and paramilitaries and militias, with the US on the side of the ones that will give favorable oil and other deals to US companies. The US is sponsoring biological and chemical warfare against the enemy coca farmers, and terrorism throughout the country.
btw: No one living in a country that re-elected W - or re-certified him for office, anyway - has any business calling anyone else's head of state a clown. Chavez has a very broad base of support throughout Latin America, and not for his clownishness.
david_slupper
03-03-2008, 11:41 PM
I'm an American with Colombian descent....and I'm going to Venezuela next month........BOY AM I LUCKY OR WHAT?! -_-
LOL, they're gonna lynch ya.
Nah, I think people are actually cool with each other. There's never been a major armed conflict between these nations, and there most likely won't be any.
Besides, is not like Colombians and Venezuelans look that different.
Chavez has a very broad base of support throughout Latin America, and not for his clownishness.
If by that you mean left-wing extremist wackos and terrorists, then I agree.
But I do agree with most of what you said. Farmers over there turn to growing coca plants because it is far more profitable than anything else since the market has been invaded by cheaper foreign products.
BlueQuarter
03-05-2008, 10:07 PM
War has begun....
http://www.nypost.com/seven/03052008/news/worldnews/war_has_begun__says_venezuela_100529.htm
The U.S is just looking for a reason to take Chavez out...
This may be it.
david_slupper
03-05-2008, 10:23 PM
War has begun....
http://www.nypost.com/seven/03052008/news/worldnews/war_has_begun__says_venezuela_100529.htm
The U.S is just looking for a reason to take Chavez out...
This may be it.
Venezuela moves troops and talks about war, and the US wants to take out Chavez? I'm not sure I'm following your logic here.
Fungus Amungus
03-05-2008, 10:45 PM
Chavez is a huge socialist. Columbia is a democracy. So if Venezuela was to attack Columbia and America had to choose a side, it would be Columbia. Also Columbia has a huge strategic position globally. They have access to two major oceans and they sit right next the the Panama Canal. If war was to break out and spread into Middle America the shipping industry would be affected deeply. Don't forget about the cocaine ethier...:boink:
Bergs
03-05-2008, 10:47 PM
Venezuela moves troops and talks about war, and the US wants to take out Chavez? I'm not sure I'm following your logic here.
Don't forget that this is a Columbian-Ecuadorian dispute that Venezuela is inserting itself into for ideological reasons.
BlueQuarter
03-05-2008, 11:11 PM
Venezuela moves troops and talks about war, and the US wants to take out Chavez? I'm not sure I'm following your logic here.
Sorry. Didn't elaborate. Well, if they do go to war.. I figured it was unlikley, but Chavez is heating things up, dummy, the US will only provide more aid [Military] to the Colombians.
Venezuela has the best AF in the Continent... But Colombians are more "experienced". Commandos, from fighting the FARC in jungle territory.
david_slupper
03-05-2008, 11:18 PM
Venezuela has the best AF in the Continent... But Colombians are more "experienced". Commandos, from fighting the FARC in jungle territory.
Not only that, but Colombia has about 4 times as many soldiers as Venezuela. Colombia has 258,227 soldiers and Venezuela has 57,800.
War is not breaking out, I'm almost certain. It would just be too damn stupid and there's really no way either country can occupy each other and there's no real animosity between Colombians and Venezuelans. They are actually pretty close, and Venezuela imports around 40% of its food imports from Colombia.
Chavez is just trying to increase nationalism in order to gain popularity after his defeat in the referendum.
bergshadow
03-06-2008, 12:10 AM
Chavez is a huge socialist. Columbia is a democracy. Venezuela is far more democratic than Colombia - its elections are more honest, its campaigns don't feature terrorism and murder as ordinary tactics, it doesn't have large, lawless, paramilitary outfits controlling the countryside and preventing electoral politics.
DefiniteXchange
03-06-2008, 12:38 AM
I've always been told that Hugo Chavez was a peaceful man!
Yeah, you mean so far he hasn't committed a heinous act of violent terrorism or atrocity against humanity as of yet! He is as bad as they come, look at who he surrounds himself with. How many Bishops do you know that keep extremists in thier presents almost exclusively.
dazevas
03-06-2008, 12:41 AM
IM FROM VENEZUELA AND I HAD TO LEAVE THE COUNTRY BCUZ CHAVEZ WAS FUCKING UP THE COUNTRY. NOW HES TRYING TO START SHIT WITH COLOMBIA SINCE HE HAS CONNECTIONS WITH "FARC" HES FUCKING UP SLOWLY WATCH THE NEXT CASTRO IS CHAVEZ.
sorry for the caps.
also for the people saying that chavez is peaceful read about april 11 in caracas venezuela when more then 10 innocent people were shot in the head by govt officials while they were protesting peacefully.
Fungus Amungus
03-06-2008, 03:44 AM
Venezuela is far more democratic than Colombia - its elections are more honest, its campaigns don't feature terrorism and murder as ordinary tactics, it doesn't have large, lawless, paramilitary outfits controlling the countryside and preventing electoral politics.
It doesn't matter what happend then. the time is now. Chavez IS a socialist and Columbia, even though it has violent elections, they're not voting in socialists trying to change the rules and make themselves rule for the end of thier lives. By the way, Uribe has been in the last couple of years greatly imrpoving the security of Columbia.
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