Video appears to show Marine abusing puppy [Archive]

Spike Lee

03-04-2008, 05:54 PM

The military is investigating a "shocking and deplorable" YouTube video that seems to show a Marine throwing a puppy off a rocky cliff.

The black-and-white puppy makes a yelping sound as it flies through the air.

"That's mean, that was mean," one companion says off-camera, addressing the alleged puppy thrower by his last name. The fate of the animal is not known.

The Marine is identified on the video and in other Internet postings as a lance corporal stationed at Marine Corps Base Hawaii in Kaneohe.

It's not clear where the video was shot, although the man who appears to throw the puppy and another Marine are in full combat gear with helmets.

YouTube.com had taken down the video by 12:30 p.m. ET Tuesday "due to terms of use violation," according to a banner on the Web site.

"This is a shocking and deplorable video that is contrary to the high standards that we set for every Marine," Marine Corps spokesman Maj. Chris Perrine said at a news conference Monday night.

"We will investigate this and take appropriate actions," Perrine said.

He said the Marine is being kept safe in view of the anger over the alleged incident.

Perrine added that the majority of Marines conduct themselves honorably.

"There are many examples of Marines who adopt pets and bring them back from Iraq and demonstrate their compassion on a daily basis," he said.

If the video is deemed legitimate, the lance corporal could face a charge of conduct unbecoming a Marine, Perrine said. There could be administrative action, nonjudicial punishment or a court-martial, he added.

"It's all governed by the Uniform Code of Military Justice, and anything from reduction in pay to reduction in rank to confinement to discharge from the Marine Corps" is possible, Perrine said. If others are involved, they too will be disciplined, he said.

"Certainly, there's a lot of outrage, and a lot of people are upset about it. I think every Marine is upset about this video," he said. "We hope that it turns out not to be what it looks like."
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/03/04/puppy.marine/index.html

There is a picture of the vid. It's been removed from youtube but you can see a chilling still from the vid.

_Joe

03-04-2008, 06:06 PM

I didn't look at any of the pics, because I think I would throw up if I saw that. But if he killed a dog, fuck him. I'd kick his ass if I had a chance (or try, he IS a professional killer...)

Fender

03-04-2008, 06:07 PM

the puppy is completely still through the whole video, even in midair instead of trying to gain balance. it makes a noise while being thrown but not after it hits the ground, should be the other way around. i doubt it died instantly after that fall. the marines act kinda funny and the whole video just seems really fake to me.

could be real, but i doubt it, i thinks its fake.

Karajan

03-04-2008, 06:10 PM

The actual video since it was removed from You Tube:

http://my.break.com/content/view.aspx?ContentID=463231

JesusTheJedi

03-04-2008, 06:13 PM

The whole video to me says that the dog is already dead. Everything about it just screams it... I went into some other issues in the video section, but yeah, whatever.

Shameless

03-04-2008, 06:17 PM

I'd go with prior dead, too. Still, unless it's more fake than it appears, that is some sick shit. Damn.

Nocturnal

03-04-2008, 06:18 PM

The soldiers were acting weird because they are psychotic. That puppy was alive, a dead animal wouldn't hold it's posture like that. It's legs would have been dangling rather than held up a bit.

More fuel for the fire.
http://valleywag.com/363325/five-youtube-videos-show-american-soldiers-at-their-worst

Of course all our soldiers are not psychos, but the war is a terrible strain on the human mind. I hope we are prepared to deal with the psychological repercussions when they all come home.

Chewy

03-04-2008, 06:24 PM

Of course all our soldiers are not psychos, but the war is a terrible strain on the human mind. I hope we are prepared to deal with the psychological repercussions when they all come home.

I wonder how many of them were using psychostimulants during their tours?

Bergs

03-04-2008, 06:27 PM

The soldiers were acting weird because they are psychotic. That puppy was alive, a dead animal wouldn't hold it's posture like that. It's legs would have been dangling rather than held up a bit.

I don't want to watch the video, but if it were dead for a prolonged period with its legs like that it would go through rigo and would hold the posture.

More importantly, there is a direct correlation between cruelty to animals and cruelty to human beings. That is what most concerns me.

Fender

03-04-2008, 06:27 PM

im sure its stiff, dead things dont stay soft that long. it looked real stiff right before he throws it, he turns his hand which kinda twists the skin but the dog still doesnt even turn its body or hang sideways like it should. and i meant they acted funny because it looks like they just walk off and they way they talk sounds weird. if they were truly psycho animal torturers im sure they would have walked over to see it after they threw it and they just dont sound very convincing to me.

but like i said i do think that there is a chance it is real, but i will be shocked as hell if thats how it turns out.

Frosty

03-04-2008, 06:29 PM

More fuel for the fire.
http://valleywag.com/363325/five-youtube-videos-show-american-soldiers-at-their-worst

Wow.

Clips 3, 4 and 5--especially clip 4--are terrible. I can't believe what some people have degenerated into.

Karajan

03-04-2008, 06:35 PM

Wow.

Clips 3, 4 and 5--especially clip 4--are terrible. I can't believe what some people have degenerated into.

I hate to sound like a cynic but I don't think there has been much degeneration. There have always been and will always be sick fucks out there. You're just now able to see it much easier due to technology.

Shameless

03-04-2008, 06:36 PM

More fuel for the fire.
http://valleywag.com/363325/five-youtube-videos-show-american-soldiers-at-their-worst

Oh fuck me, I did not need to see that.

EDIT: BTW I've seen hundreds, if not thousands of videos here and elsewhere, but honestly, the only ones that really stick out are the ones involving animal abuse. Anyone else remember the one with the skaters hitting a dog with their skateboards? People are fucking horrible.

Chewy

03-04-2008, 06:38 PM

More importantly, there is a direct correlation between cruelty to animals and cruelty to human beings. That is what most concerns me.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruelty_to_animals#Link_to_psychological_disorders

That would be correct.

Nocturnal

03-04-2008, 06:40 PM

I don't want to watch the video, but if it were dead for a prolonged period with its legs like that it would go through rigo and would hold the posture.

More importantly, there is a direct correlation between cruelty to animals and cruelty to human beings. That is what most concerns me.

More like this
http://www.petmeister.com/Labrador_Puppy.jpg

than this,

http://www.moosefree.com/albums/album43/IMG_2590_Custom.jpg

I wonder how many of them were using psychostimulants during their tours?

Another video was found today that showed marines cavorting around, drinking beer and doing lines of coke.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=525849&in_page_id=1811

Bergs

03-04-2008, 06:45 PM

Thank you for that visual Noc.

Papero

03-04-2008, 06:52 PM

Wow.

Clips 3, 4 and 5--especially clip 4--are terrible. I can't believe what some people have degenerated into.

1 is up for debate
2 we've no back story
3 is a flash bang, extremely unprofessional and a disgrace but no harm really done probably young soldiers all fired up.
4 is just terrible, not much else to say about that.
5 we've debated on this forum, that was completely warranted though animal activists beg to differ, the dog was acting quite aggressive. Nor do you hear the militants amused by the situation. Though the camera man is an asshole and can't stay focused, starting at :04 you can see the had run aggressively towards the soldier and ended up shit to :07 you can see another soldier shot it again. Horrible shots though in my opinion.

I wouldn't say all of the people in those videos are complete degenerates.

I don't know which is worse, soldiers suffering from mental problems and harming defenseless animals as shown in video 4 or the public purposely feeding off of incomplete or misinformation and forming very strong opinions to scrutinize the shit out the U.S military. The scrutinizers are just as much of a disgrace as these sick soldiers.

My opinion on this matter is that the puppy was already dead, and they morbidly decided to go for shock and awe, simply fake.

Dayve

03-04-2008, 06:52 PM

I believe an animal expert watched the video and said the dog was not dead and that it looked real. The source is in the thread in the video section, i won't link it because i just woke up and can't be bothered to find it but it's there.

Hopefully him and his friends come home in a bodybag. :)

Chewy

03-04-2008, 06:54 PM

Another video was found today that showed marines cavorting around, drinking beer and doing lines of coke.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=525849&in_page_id=1811

I'm more concerned about the ones given by the military.
like dextroamphetimines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dextroamphetamine) for example.

Frosty

03-04-2008, 06:58 PM

1 is up for debate
2 we've no back story
3 is a flash bang, extremely unprofessional and a disgrace but no harm really done probably young soldiers all fired up.
4 is just terrible, not much else to say about that.
5 we've debated on this forum, that was completely warranted though animal activists beg to differ, the dog was acting quite aggressive. Nor do you hear the militants amused by the situation. Though the camera man is an asshole and can't stay focused, starting at :04 you can see the had run aggressively towards the soldier and ended up shit to :07 you can see another soldier shot it again. Horrible shots though in my opinion.

I wouldn't say all of the people in those videos are complete degenerates.

I don't know which is worse, soldiers suffering from mental problems and harming defenseless animals as shown in video 4 or the public purposely feeding off of incomplete or misinformation and forming very strong opinions to scrutinize the shit out the U.S military. The scrutinizers are just as much of a disgrace as these sick soldiers.

My "degeneration" comment was in reference to the ease in which several men can revert to a state of mind where they are happy to see innocent animals on the defensive side, particularly when they are vulnerable or injured.

I don't wish to scrutinize the U.S. military as a whole, just the individuals in each of the respective videos.

In video 3, the flash bang was immensely unprofessional.

In video 4, well, I don't even need to comment on how ridiculous those men are.

In video 5, clearly the dog was on the defensive. Though he was aggressive, I felt that 'egging' the dog on wasn't need it. Either take the food or give it to the dog. Don't pick him up and throw him back down.

GALLIENVS AVG

03-04-2008, 07:04 PM

Oh fuck me, I did not need to see that.

EDIT: BTW I've seen hundreds, if not thousands of videos here and elsewhere, but honestly, the only ones that really stick out are the ones involving animal abuse. Anyone else remember the one with the skaters hitting a dog with their skateboards? People are fucking horrible.

Remember the ones in which a high-heeled foot would crush little animals' eye sockets and skulls? I remember seeing it done to a puppy and rabbit. The most fucked up videos I have ever seen on the internet..

PitwrkzZ1

03-04-2008, 07:08 PM

First off, if this is true, this guy is a scumbag. No doubt.

But people, come on. This is the actions of one guy in Iraq. I guarante that this will be headline news tonight, and that is just disgusting. Lets talk about something that really matters like oh, I don't know, the fact that someone dies of hunger every 3.6 seconds and 75% of them are children...but no, here we are talking about a single unfortunate puppy in Iraq...some people are just so thick...

Chewy

03-04-2008, 07:12 PM

TheAwesome

03-04-2008, 10:03 PM

When did the life of a human become equal or lesser to the life of a puppy? So many people are calling for these people to be killed/tortured/mutilated because they killed an animal. I admit, that video is messed up, but the fact that people think that their actions should earn them a horrible death is rather absurd to me. Some punishment is required, but I can't equate a human life to an animal life.

I've heard it said before that there are various reasons Islamic extremists hate Americans so much, and one of those reasons is the fact that we pamper our pets and treat them better than humans in many cases (ie., we have people starving in the streets, but our dogs get manicures and prozack).

And I don't think the actions of this solider should mar the whole image of the armed forces. My brother is back in Iraq after a two week R&R...and honestly, he didn't act any different the entire time he was back. Maybe there's more to him I didn't see, but he seemed like the same person he always was.

Dayve

03-04-2008, 10:07 PM

Father Max

03-04-2008, 10:10 PM

I don't want to watch the video, but if it were dead for a prolonged period with its legs like that it would go through rigo and would hold the posture.

More importantly, there is a direct correlation between cruelty to animals and cruelty to human beings. That is what most concerns me.

I know what you mean. I was always taught to not judge someone by how they treat their equals, but by how they treat their inferiors. Anyone that can do that to an innocent animal can't be a good person IMO.

clutch-monkey

03-04-2008, 10:10 PM

Who says a human life is worth more than an animal?
agreed. that's why i'm studying vet, not medicine. you're all fucking animals, there's just some i'd rather work on than the usual whining fatasses GP's get.

TFS

03-04-2008, 10:15 PM

Real or not, even kidding around like that and putting a video of it up without any proof it's fake is sick and horrible and demands discipline.

Whether it really happens or not is moot: our military cannot and should not allow any kind of display that reflects that its soldiers behave this way in any situation.

kevinsmith

03-04-2008, 10:21 PM

That guy deserves a severe beating and perhaps some torture.
No doubt about that.

But I wonder how long before someone uses this to complain about our entire military, and chances are it would be someone who accues anyone bitching about fundie muslims as hating all of Islam. No irony there.

Boomer

03-04-2008, 10:28 PM

I saw the video yesterday. It was not cool at all. That guy needs to get an ass kick and his head checked, but besides that, there is no need to make such a big fuss about it.

Jk1725

03-04-2008, 10:28 PM

agreed. that's why i'm studying vet, not medicine. you're all fucking animals, there's just some i'd rather work on than the usual whining fatasses GP's get.

If you dont mind one of these nights I have a couple of questions about the whole vet school ordeal

Fossil

03-04-2008, 10:58 PM

That was a pretty awful video. The puppy had to be either already dead or paralyzed with fear.

I'm seeing a lot of comments (rightfully) blaming the marine who threw the puppy, but no one is talking about the other members of his squad who were also present ( at least one other person, maybe more) and laughing about it.

So before we blame the medication or post tramatic stress disorder, I think we should all consider the fact that people do stupid shit like this very often when in they get into small groups but not when they are alone. Call it collective effervescence, herd behavior, mob mentality, or whatever, but people act differently when they get into groups. Maybe the Marine who threw the pup is a sick guy, or over medicated, or stressed out from battle. Or it could just be that he and his squad mates were screwing around, and it just popped into their heads that throwing a puppy would be funny.

I think that, assuming this video is real, that the squad should be broken up and the Marines involved should be all reassigned to different units.

deballedtomcat

03-04-2008, 11:21 PM

If it were a muslim that threw that puppy,most folks here would be bitching about allah and how evil Islam is.

Papero

03-04-2008, 11:24 PM

Who says a human life is worth more than an animal? I don't see animals declaring war on other animals and killing hundreds of thousands of innocent animals in the process, destroying the earth, torturing each other, murdering each other for fun, forming drug gangs and doing drive-by shootings, etc. etc.

Way i see it, all life is equal and none is worth more than the other, including humans.

Though I come to the same conclusion, animals kill each other all the time for ridiculous animal reasons, obviously it's not nearly as complex or on such a large scale but it's all the same in the end.

The animal world isn't a peaceful one by any means.

We simply kill each other with a bit more boom.

In that, if I'm equal to a puppy, I should be able to kill that puppy without being scrutinized, because the puppy and I are equal life forms and I feel it's encroaching on my personal space. People who argue this feel a puppy is higher then themselves, and is that not wrong?

Who says human lives are more important then an animals? You do, I'm positive you would rather see a dog be shot down then have yourself, you can write it off as survival but you feel your life is more important, every species does this. Humans have a special bond between each other, or at least we should, therefore feeling a human life is worth more then an animal life is acceptable. It's unnatural to feel any other way.

Overall we're all on this rock together, but each species feels it's own specie is far more important then the other.

esl21

03-04-2008, 11:37 PM

2 we've no back story

I can elaborate.

The driver of the Bradley did nothing wrong:

1.) He most likely couldn't even see the car coming his way, due to poor visibilty on the part of the other driver.

2.) No one is taking into account the fact that the Bradley had the right of way, simply because it is a military vehicle.

3.) Standard Counter-Ambush procedures rule against stopping for reasons such as this. The driver of the Bradley was following the correct procedures. Its the same reason that US Navy ships stopped picking up downed Kamikaze pilots during WWII.

The driver probably couldn't even see the car. When he hit it, he is not allowed to stop.

/Tilt/

03-04-2008, 11:46 PM

If it were a muslim that threw that puppy,most folks here would be bitching about allah and how evil Islam is.
Well maybe if they did it in the name of Allah, then yeah. I'm not sure you even made a point there.

JesusTheJedi

03-05-2008, 12:50 AM

Shameless

03-05-2008, 12:52 AM

See there you go again. Animals are CONSTANTLY killing each other. They kill their own species, and they kill other species. They mutilate each other, they eat each other, they fuck each other up. Honestly I just don't understand where you came to the conclusion that animals are peaceful and humans are the only evil creatures with the capacity to kill.

I was going to say something similar, but you put it perfectly. So...QFT.

NastyEvilDemon

03-05-2008, 01:14 AM

If it were a muslim that threw that puppy,most folks here would be bitching about allah and how evil Islam is.

What the fuck does throwing a puppy off a cliff have to do with the muslims??? Besides, there are already plenty of videos out there showing how they test their nerve agents and everything else on dogs. They hate dogs, they think dogs are filth and they abuse them all the time, but they're allowed to do that because "it's their culture" and because of bleeding hearts like YOU that crusade for them.

Well you know what? I don't like muslims and I don't like crusaders... what do you think of that??? You know what? I blame allah for that puppy's death... How do you like them apples?? I'm a gun-totin' redneck hick, and I must be in the klan, because I'm just a racist bastard, right?

And I'm also getting a little sick and tired of everyone bashing the fucking military because of a few soldiers... I think you forget that the reason why you're all able to sit here and freely talk about whatever the hell you want is BECAUSE of the military.

How does the saying go?? "If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you can read this in ENGLISH, thank a SOLDIER." Leave the military, the fucking minorities, your hatred for Bush, the race card, and everything else OUT of this topic. It's about a MAN... not a WHITE man, not a SOLDIER, not an AMERICAN... but a PERSON throwing a PUPPY off a CLIFF. His race, religion, occupation, and place of residence have NOTHING to do with ANYTHING, because NONE of those things made him do what he allegedly did. Christ.

texmaster

03-05-2008, 01:15 AM

There has already been some serious calls on the validity of this video so put the pitchforks down for a second and leave the vat of tar on the "warm" setting

First off, the audio of the dog is definitely edited in. For one, the sound never looses its volume even though the dog is supposed to be in the air going away from the camera.

So everybody calm down and lets see what the truth is.

Judging from all the comments on the internet, what this video really displayed is the sheer hatred the far left has for the military and how far they will go to put this guy's entire family in jeopardy.

Spike Lee

03-05-2008, 01:20 AM

Yeah, I'm sure thats why the guy was fucking around like that. If you are going to make claims, back them up with good evidence and sources.

Deamatix

03-05-2008, 01:29 AM

How does the saying go?? "If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you can read this in ENGLISH, thank a SOLDIER." Leave the military, the fucking minorities, your hatred for Bush, the race card, and everything else OUT of this topic. It's about a MAN... not a WHITE man, not a SOLDIER, not an AMERICAN... but a PERSON throwing a PUPPY off a CLIFF. His race, religion, occupation, and place of residence have NOTHING to do with ANYTHING, because NONE of those things made him do what he allegedly did. Christ.

Finally someone makes some sense. Assuming the video is real, the guy is no better or worse than the woman who was filmed stomping a kitten's head. This video would be just as fucked up if he were a plumber, a salesman, or a school teacher. A cruel person is such because their ways are cruel.

pimf

03-05-2008, 01:37 AM

Whether this video is real or not, it really doesn't matter. I found lots of other videos of the military shooting dogs, families, sheep and laughing about it and those are definitely real. The argument of a few bad apples really doesn't hold water anymore.

texmaster

03-05-2008, 01:38 AM

Yeah, I'm sure thats why the guy was fucking around like that. If you are going to make claims, back them up with good evidence and sources.

Listen to the video of the dog.

I just explained why I believe it is dubbed in :rolleyes:

And even if you are only slightly paying attention, you should know about his address and family names being posted in message boards.

Do I really have to prove that to you?

Whether this video is real or not, it really doesn't matter. I found lots of other videos of the military shooting dogs, families, sheep and laughing about it that are definitely real. The argument of a few bad apples really doesn't hold water anymore.

Of course it does!

There are over 100k troops in Iraq

Have you even seen 100 troops shooting dogs as you claim?

Spike Lee

03-05-2008, 01:47 AM

Listen to the video of the dog.

I just explained why I believe it is dubbed in :rolleyes:

And even if you are only slightly paying attention, you should know about his address and family names being posted in message boards.

Do I really have to prove that to you?

Dude this is the internet. An equal opportunity social vigilante. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_vigilante

texmaster

03-05-2008, 01:52 AM

Dude this is the internet. An equal opportunity social vigilante. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_vigilante

And that makes it right?

Or are you against making any judgments on behavior?

Frosty

03-05-2008, 01:52 AM

When did the life of a human become equal or lesser to the life of a puppy? So many people are calling for these people to be killed/tortured/mutilated because they killed an animal. I admit, that video is messed up, but the fact that people think that their actions should earn them a horrible death is rather absurd to me. Some punishment is required, but I can't equate a human life to an animal life.

That shouldn't even be an issue. Regardless of whether the man threw a puppy, a human baby, a kitten, a fish, a monkey, anything, what matters is that this trained Marine threw an innocent, vulnerable creature off of a cliff. There is the (strong) possibility that the puppy was dead, but regardless, should life be treated this way, even in death?

When people focus on whether the creature picked on was human or an 'inferior' animal, it just shows that they're not looking at the issue at hand. A man threw an animal that couldn't defend itself against him (though it may have been deceased) off of a cliff. Off of a cliff.

If anyone can carelessly do that and then laugh about it with their buddies, well...I just don't have any respect for those people (and not Marines in general, but these Marines).

pimf

03-05-2008, 01:55 AM

Of course it does!

There are over 100k troops in Iraq

Have you even seen 100 troops shooting dogs as you claim?

I never claimed I saw a 100 troops shooting dogs, but to say it's just a few bad apples is ludicrous after all the torture, rape animal killing ect.

texmaster

03-05-2008, 01:57 AM

I never claimed I saw a 100 troops shooting dogs, but to say it's just a few bad apples is ludicrous after all the torture, rape animal killing ect.

You just did it again :banghead:

You could put everybody we have heard about from all those categories and you wouldn't even hit 100 troops!

What part of massive generalization don't you understand?

Spike Lee

03-05-2008, 02:01 AM

You just did it again :banghead:

You could put everybody we have heard about from all those categories and you wouldn't even hit 100 troops!

What part of massive generalization don't you understand?

Apparently you aren't the one to define such a phrase either. You accuse the far left of doing this when in reality. I didn't say it was right, but thanks for making that generalization.

pimf

03-05-2008, 02:04 AM

You just did it again :banghead:

You could put everybody we have heard about from all those categories and you wouldn't even hit 100 troops!

What part of massive generalization don't you understand?

A massive generalization would be 'all troops' or 'most troops.'

How about 'not isolated incidents'? Does that work for you?

Fungus Amungus

03-05-2008, 02:05 AM

I wonder how many of them were using psychostimulants during their tours?

That's a good question. Considering throughout Iraq and in Afghanistan there is a large amount of fields of opium and marijuana. There constant battles in those ares too since the plants hold so much water heat vision can't be used and the fields can't be burnt down.

deballedtomcat

03-05-2008, 02:11 AM

and because of bleeding hearts like YOU that crusade for them.

I cannot let that one go.Anybody who has ever bothered to read my posts on these forums knows the outright disdain I have for all religions,and most specifically for the moon god cult of allah.

So please,noob,before calling me a bleeding heart who crusades for Muslims,do your homework.

I was merely pointing out that many people think it's okay to bash muslims for every little thing,but when it's soldiers they get a pass,or at the very least you don't see people painting them all with the same brush...........but I guess you cannot see past your rose colored glasses.

NastyEvilDemon

03-05-2008, 02:15 AM

Ooooohhhhhhh right... I'm a "noob" so therefore I have no intelligence at all. Right. I'm supposed to do a search for your name, and sift through almost a thousand posts just to make sure you're not someone who you seem to be in one thread before I have the right to speak to you, is that it?

Well then, by your own standards, I suggest you go read my 100+ posts in the gun control threads and see for yourself just how rose colored my glasses are, then take some time to think about how you word things that might mislead people, rather than scold us for not taking the time to read up on your fucking life history.

Let's get something straight "oldie".... I have just as much right to be here and speak as YOU do. Your post count and registration date mean *nothing* to me. If you don't want me to respond negatively to your posts, then DON'T WRITE STUPID SHIT.

Fungus Amungus

03-05-2008, 02:15 AM

deballedtomcat

03-05-2008, 02:45 AM

Oh NED,show me where I claimed that post counts meant anything or were to be used as a measure of intelligence,show me where I called your intelligence into question,or show me where I said anything even remotely close to saying I or anybody else had any more "right" to post here than you or anybody else.

I don't play the insult game,nor do I try to give credit for words,spoken,typed,or otherwise,that aren't said.(Which,FWIW,you just did in your last post)

I called you a noob,which may or may not have been out of line,and I did it response to you calling me a bleeding heart who crusades for Muslims,but when someone has been a member of a forum for less than one month and goes out of their way to make suppositions should at the very least expect a bit of heat,wouldn't you agree?

I'm not here to get into a pissing contest with you,but I do take offense at you labelling me.Had you posted but they're allowed to do that because "it's their culture" and because of bleeding hearts that crusade for them. there would be no beef at all.

As I said,do your homework before labelling somebody.

TheAwesome

03-05-2008, 12:04 PM

That shouldn't even be an issue. Regardless of whether the man threw a puppy, a human baby, a kitten, a fish, a monkey, anything, what matters is that this trained Marine threw an innocent, vulnerable creature off of a cliff. There is the (strong) possibility that the puppy was dead, but regardless, should life be treated this way, even in death?

When people focus on whether the creature picked on was human or an 'inferior' animal, it just shows that they're not looking at the issue at hand. A man threw an animal that couldn't defend itself against him (though it may have been deceased) off of a cliff. Off of a cliff.

If anyone can carelessly do that and then laugh about it with their buddies, well...I just don't have any respect for those people (and not Marines in general, but these Marines).

No, I understand completely what is wrong with this situation. My problem is mainly the way in which people are reacting to it. They are making calls for this guy to be killed in action, caputured, torturted, beheaded online so they can watch it, etc... and that's what I don't understand.

I mean, calling for things much worse to happen to this guy, doesn't that make those people even more despicable than him? I don't think the guy deserves to die for what he did. If say, an elephant, picked up a child and threw it off a cliff, would we then call for the elephant to be killed/tortured/mutilated in the way people are wanting this guy to wind up?

I guess I just don't understand why a person throwing a helpless puppy (alive or dead) off a cliff warrants such a knee jerk "Kill that bastard" reaction.

pimf

03-05-2008, 01:32 PM

Pimf you say you see these vidoes were military personal are shooting animals, families, and so on and so forth. Why is it that when one video of a puppy getting thrown over the side of the cliff is getting world attention, that other videos you claim you've seen haven't ever been reported or even EXIST. Stop blowing smoke.

I don't know why this one is getting all the attention; maybe because it's a cute little puppy and some of the ones were just dogs? As far producing the videos, you can go search for them in the video clips section I posted them there a few nights ago, or you can just Google them, they probably aren't too hard to find now.

Papero

03-05-2008, 01:40 PM

No, I understand completely what is wrong with this situation. My problem is mainly the way in which people are reacting to it. They are making calls for this guy to be killed in action, caputured, torturted, beheaded online so they can watch it, etc... and that's what I don't understand.

I mean, calling for things much worse to happen to this guy, doesn't that make those people even more despicable than him? I don't think the guy deserves to die for what he did. If say, an elephant, picked up a child and threw it off a cliff, would we then call for the elephant to be killed/tortured/mutilated in the way people are wanting this guy to wind up?

I guess I just don't understand why a person throwing a helpless puppy (alive or dead) off a cliff warrants such a knee jerk "Kill that bastard" reaction.

You've solved it yourself, the people wishing death on the marine as well as wish for it to be video taped are absolute sick individuals in need of immediate mental evaluation.

deballedtomcat

03-05-2008, 03:04 PM

Does it really matter if the puppy was dead or alive when it was tossed?

The larger issue here isn't the death of one puppy,we kill them by the thousands every single day right here in the good old USA,but the fact that someone wearing the uniform of the United States Marine Corp would do something like that in uniform and then have it posted on the internet.

People wishing death on this person are just having a gut reaction,who doesn't love a cute little puppy?

This guy needs a mentl evaluation,possibly being discharged from the military pending the results of that evaluation,but death by torture is just a wee bit extreme.

18C

03-05-2008, 03:10 PM

He kills PEOPLE for a living and you guys are concerned about a fucking puppy? Glad the worlds' priorities are in order, you sick fucks.

Chewy

03-05-2008, 04:10 PM

He kills PEOPLE for a living and you guys are concerned about a fucking puppy? Glad the worlds' priorities are in order, you sick fucks.It displays a lack of discipline in the troops and makes them look tyrannical I say its a concern.

That's a good question. Considering throughout Iraq and in Afghanistan there is a large amount of fields of opium and marijuana. There constant battles in those ares too since the plants hold so much water heat vision can't be used and the fields can't be burnt down. They would have almost no effect on person developing a drug induced psychosis, THC while studies are suggesting some link between mental health issues is still being debated there is clear information that details directly the correlation of stimulant use/abuse.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug-induced_psychosis

Heroin would not do this at all, its a depressant.

droogsteve

03-05-2008, 05:05 PM

It displays a lack of discipline in the troops and makes them look tyrannical I say its a concern.

More than that, it shows a casual sadism that no soldier should have. Anyone who finds the torture of a helpless being amusing has no business being a soldier.

Chewy

03-05-2008, 05:07 PM

More than that, it shows a casual sadism that no soldier should have. Anyone who finds the torture of a helpless being amusing has no business being a soldier. I would lump that into the lack of discipline, but I see where you are coming from.

esl21

03-05-2008, 06:06 PM

pimf

03-05-2008, 07:00 PM

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4744329320575580644&q=soldier+puppy+vid&total=87&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=6

After watching this video, I can say that there is now balance in the Universe.

:lol:

http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aV1mSMD0

I don't think this is real it's so over the top, but I have stories about soliders raising puppies for a while and then being ordered to kill them.

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/5946

Here's a collection of videos that the troops have made themselves having fun in various ways.

pimf

03-05-2008, 08:56 PM

Here's some more. (http://www.infowars.com/?p=620)

RangerDanger

03-06-2008, 02:01 AM

Oh fuck me, I did not need to see that.

EDIT: BTW I've seen hundreds, if not thousands of videos here and elsewhere, but honestly, the only ones that really stick out are the ones involving animal abuse. Anyone else remember the one with the skaters hitting a dog with their skateboards? People are fucking horrible.

Of all the sick and violent vids on the net, this and the video you mentioned are the two that I will never forget. I remember every frame of them. It is bothersome to think that the anger these vids cause me is just stored up somewere in my head.

[/crazy]

Frosty

03-06-2008, 02:13 AM

Here's some more. (http://www.infowars.com/?p=620)

Wow. Papero, remember those videos we commented on earlier?

Well, the videos here are much more sickening (and verifiable proof that there are some deranged people over there).

Fungus Amungus

03-06-2008, 03:39 AM

Frosty

03-06-2008, 04:10 AM

Those videos prove nothing. You ever thought that maybe the dogs might've had rabies or was already dieing? You shoot the animals because it's quicker and safer for them to die. Also the explosions could be filmed because it was a roadside bomb. This shit happens and sick animals are a better casuality than a human being. I like how the links are from Alex Jones's website and that only shows a loss of crediblity.

However likely those scenarios are (though I have to gawk at the "roadside bomb" situation), the laughing that ensues after almost every kill is disheartening, to say the least.

avix123

03-06-2008, 11:01 AM

same guys with another dog
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QJNuwQrQT4c
just taunting

Nocturnal

03-06-2008, 11:14 AM

The complaints that people get more fired up over animal cruelty don't hold water. Sure, people are killed horribly over there each and every day. However it's human nature that out of sight = out of mind. The reaction to the callous killing of a fuzzy puppy should be expected to be severe. (not to mention the PR issues and the fact that sadists always start out with animals)

Now if we had seen a video of the Mahmoudiya, (rape and murder of a girl and her family) (http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/08/07/iraq.familyslain/index.html) incident, I imagine we would see rioting in the (US) streets and a demand to end the conflict.

The fact that these guys were so fucking stupid as to put a video like this online is enough to discharge them from the military. We don't need guys that stupid wearing the US uniform.

Those videos prove nothing. You ever thought that maybe the dogs might've had rabies or was already dieing? You shoot the animals because it's quicker and safer for them to die. Also the explosions could be filmed because it was a roadside bomb. This shit happens and sick animals are a better casuality than a human being. I like how the links are from Alex Jones's website and that only shows a loss of crediblity.

If that is the case then our troops really need more time on the shooting range. If they can't kill a stationary dog with a single shot no wonder we are having trouble ending the insurgency.

We have plenty of videos that show US troops or contractors being reckless with human lives as well. It's nothing particular about our troops that is causing this (well they do allow some pretty bottom barrell guys now) but rather the situation. Any given population is going to have a bunch of sickos, and if these sickos are exposed to constant violence with no oversight they will act out.

same guys with another dog
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QJNuwQrQT4c
just taunting

Pride of the US military. :rollseyes Slack jawed retards... I'm surprised the quality troops aren't incensed by this sort of thing.

Not sure but seems like that puppy might be injured. I don't understand how a puppy is just randomly sitting on a rock in the desert.

texmaster

03-06-2008, 12:08 PM

Apparently you aren't the one to define such a phrase either. You accuse the far left of doing this when in reality. I didn't say it was right, but thanks for making that generalization.

I was responding to pimf, not you.

A massive generalization would be 'all troops' or 'most troops.'

How about 'not isolated incidents'? Does that work for you?

Much better and more accurate

pimf

03-06-2008, 02:11 PM

Those videos prove nothing. You ever thought that maybe the dogs might've had rabies or was already dieing? You shoot the animals because it's quicker and safer for them to die. Also the explosions could be filmed because it was a roadside bomb. This shit happens and sick animals are a better casuality than a human being. I like how the links are from Alex Jones's website and that only shows a loss of crediblity.

Wow, rationalize it however you want. Plus about the Alex Jones website, he didn't film the troops doing that fucked up shit, so what's the point about credibility you are trying to make?

Papero

03-06-2008, 02:13 PM

Wow. Papero, remember those videos we commented on earlier?

Well, the videos here are much more sickening (and verifiable proof that there are some deranged people over there).

Yeah I watched them, the comical behavior is what makes it disturbing.

Fungus Amungus

03-06-2008, 02:20 PM

I wasn't saying Alex Jones filmed it. I'm saying he would cut and throw any title on the video too make America look bad. He's a crackhead conspiracy nut.

pimf

03-06-2008, 03:06 PM

I wasn't saying Alex Jones filmed it. I'm saying he would cut and throw any title on the video too make America look bad. He's a crackhead conspiracy nut.

Whatever makes you feel good about being an American.

deballedtomcat

03-07-2008, 11:02 AM

Wow,NED sure lasted long,didn't he?:lmao::lol:

Spike Lee

03-07-2008, 12:07 PM

Why did he get banned? I assume it was a double account.

deballedtomcat

03-07-2008, 12:19 PM

I dunno why he got banned,but he came back with an account after being banned called revenge of ned or something similar and blasted the mods here and put some linkage to another place..............I reckon he got banned for repeatedly violating rules and hurling random insults at those who did not agree with him.

A shame really,the guy seemed to be an intelligent poster who could have added some value to the forums if he knew the proper way to act,alas,the internet is full of folks like him who refuse to behave themselves and act like petulant little children when they get scolded.