Looks like Pennsylvania will matter

[Mr. Heskey]

Who would've thought that a primary in APRIL would decide the democratic nominee? Surprised I haven't seen any threads on this.

Mccain finally wrapped up the GOP nomination.
Hillary has a commanding lead in Ohio and her margin in Texas keeps growing.

Thoughts?

[Father Max]

I still think Obama has it in the bag.

[Mr. Heskey]

I still think Obama has it in the bag.

He'll still definitely have more delegates than Clinton at the end of the night HOWEVER, she does have the superdelegates. Also, she has an incredible stronghold in Pennsylvania (moreso than Ohio even)

Wouldn't surprise me at all if she eventually wins this one in april.

[Father Max]

He'll still definitely have more delegates than Clinton at the end of the night HOWEVER, she does have the superdelegates. Also, she has an incredible stronghold in Pennsylvania (moreso than Ohio even)

Wouldn't surprise me at all if she eventually wins this one in april.

I think the superdelagates will vote for whoever wins the pledged delagates.

[jn_powell]

Texas is still very much in question with the population centers yet to report in numbers.

[Mr. Heskey]

Texas is still very much in question with the population centers yet to report in numbers.

El Paso and South Texas have yet to call in I heard.

But you're right, still a long way to go.

[LegendaryLink]

Obama will get his big win from the Texas caucus, and a minor win in the primary

[Shameless]

Damn, I hoped Clinton would lose Ohio and the dems could wrap this one up. Obama will still win by the end of the night overall, but nothing decisive (I'm detecting a trend here...).

[Spike Lee]

I'm looking at the results by county in Texas. The rural areas are fun to look at.

Apparently only 12 Democrats voted in Loving County. Barack won there 7-5. And when it came to Republicans voting in the same county, no Republicans voted in that county. Sure, the county is small, but I still find it humorous.

Coryell County was a tie for Hillary and Obama. Both recieved 2,434 votes.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/county/#TXDEMMAPprimary

[Mr. Heskey]

I'm looking at the results by county in Texas. The rural areas are fun to look at.

Apparently only 12 Democrats voted in Loving County. Barack won there 7-5. And when it came to Republicans voting in the same county, no Republicans voted in that county. Sure, the county is small, but I still find it humorous.

Coryell County was a tie for Hillary and Obama. Both recieved 2,434 votes.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/county/#TXDEMMAPprimary

According to my 2006 Texas almanac, a whopping 51 people live in loving county. And the county is probably comparable to the size of Rhode Island. :lol:

[bobtheflob]

I honestly think it's a farce that Hillary is still in this thing. Once you include the Texas caucus, both candidates will have gained about the same number of pledged delegates. But Hillary is down by over 150 of those.

Her lead in the super delegates is declining too. He's been gaining there on an almost daily basis and that's likely to continue as it becomes more and more obvious that she's not going to catch up in pledged delegates.

The only reason Hillary can claim this as a major victory for her is because her campaign has been constantly lowering expectations. Obama has been winning states by 20%. Now that she won by a smaller margin in Ohio and essentially tied in Texas, two states she's been pointing to all month while she was losing 11 contests in a row, she's acting like her campaign has been given new hope.

She needs to withdraw and stop running attack ad after attack ad against Obama.

/rant

[Fungus Amungus]

I hope Hillary wins. Then McCain can kick her ass.

[theC]

I honestly think it's a farce that Hillary is still in this thing. Once you include the Texas caucus, both candidates will have gained about the same number of pledged delegates. But Hillary is down by over 150 of those.

Her lead in the super delegates is declining too. He's been gaining there on an almost daily basis and that's likely to continue as it becomes more and more obvious that she's not going to catch up in pledged delegates.

The only reason Hillary can claim this as a major victory for her is because her campaign has been constantly lowering expectations. Obama has been winning states by 20%. Now that she won by a smaller margin in Ohio and essentially tied in Texas, two states she's been pointing to all month while she was losing 11 contests in a row, she's acting like her campaign has been given new hope.

She needs to withdraw and stop running attack ad after attack ad against Obama.

/rant

It's far from a farce that she's still in it. She's close in delegates and she's close in popular vote. She's still winning states and the ones she isn't winning, she's pulling in decent numbers. Given the way things are going now, it's unlikely she will surpass Obama but things are so close that all it would take would be one major screw up by Obama and she would have a decent shot. For the record, I like Obama slightly more than Clinton but it's rather silly to say that a candidate should drop out when they keep winning large states.
I don't think Hillary will keep this going any longer than it needs to be--ie, I don't see it going all the way to a brokered convention, but there are primaries up for grabs right up until June and for once these late states might actually have a say in the nomination process.

[Shameless]

Son of a fucking bitch, Hilary wins Texas and Ohio. Seriously, who keeps voting for her?

[drahkcorjc]

I don't understand how Hillary won. I don't understand AT ALL. I thought Obama had it in the bag. God damnit.

[ROFLStomp]

The funny thing is that the superdelegates are supposed to vote for Hillary...she is more experienced. The whole point of creating them was to have a buffer to prevent electing a figurehead voted by the masses thats not experienced (obama).

[Jenovah]

Don't want to offend anyone, but the whole "superdelegates" idea makes the primaries look more like some gameshow than an election that will decide the future of the US..

[avix123]

^You're not offending anyone. If anything you just called it exactly what it is, a game show. I live in NC and our primary isn't until May.(jeeze) There may be a possibility that campaigning will be actually done here this year. The canadiates are ALWAYS decided before North Carolina has a chance to vote.

[NastyEvilDemon]

I'm so disgusted with this election already... If only Huckabee or Paul made it :(

Don't want to offend anyone, but the whole "superdelegates" idea makes the primaries look more like some gameshow than an election that will decide the future of the US..

For once, I agree with you.

[Sketcher]

^You're not offending anyone. If anything you just called it exactly what it is, a game show. I live in NC and our primary isn't until May.(jeeze) There may be a possibility that campaigning will be actually done here this year. The canadiates are ALWAYS decided before North Carolina has a chance to vote.

That's why I think all states should vote on the same day. By the time March finally rolls around, a lot of states still haven't voted yet even though the candidates are pretty much already decided. It's a slap in the face to the citizens who couldn't vote for their candidate because he already dropped out.

[Henkie]

Why don't you all just do your primaries like your national elections: one system of dividing delegates over the candidates, and all on one day. That would eliminate the confusion over who eventually gets how many delegates and it eliminates a large part of the influence of polls on actual results. It would give a much clearer picture of which candidate is actual the most popular.

[bobtheflob]

There's no way the super delegates will give this to Hillary if Obama has a clear lead in pledged delegates.

What would that look like if a black person won the election but the party decided that a white person would be the nominee anyway? I think they'd lose a whole lot of voters and would pretty much hand the election to McCain.

To win the pledged delegates at this point, she has to win over 60% of the remaining delegates in states that mostly favor Obama. If she didn't get nearly 60% of the delegates from Texas and Ohio, I don't see how she'll do it elsewhere.

Edit: I just looked it up and Arkansas is the only state she's taken at least 60% of the delegates. She didn't even do it in New York. With the delegate math, winning that many of them requires you to win far more than 60% of the vote.

[jn_powell]

The funny thing is that the superdelegates are supposed to vote for Hillary...she is more experienced. The whole point of creating them was to have a buffer to prevent electing a figurehead voted by the masses thats not experienced (obama).
Yeah, God forbid the masses actually pick the nominee, what is this a democracy or something, sheesh.

[droogsteve]

I knew this would happen. We're at the part of "The Emperor's New Clothes" parable where people are starting to realize that the Emperor is naked.


After the initial giddiness following his previous primary victories died down and he became the front runner, a lot of Dems finally took the time to look past the rhetoric and now realize that, despite his impressive preacher-like speaking style, he's pretty much an empty suit with no real experience.


The entire campaign was a cult of personality, and the press eagerly joined in, fawning over his every move. Last week, the NY Times, for all intents and purposes, declared him the nominee by posting an editorial questioning whether Hilary should immediately drop out or go through the motions in Texas and Ohio before dropping out. It really was disgraceful, a blatant attempt to manipulate those primaries by saying to the Democrats in those states: "Hilary is going to lose. You're not going to waste your time voting for a loser, are you?"

I'm actually quite surprised, and a bit impressed, that voters stood up to the tremendous momentum the liberal press gave their golden boy Obama. This race should be decided by the voters, not the media, and this one is now a horse race again. With only 85 delegates separating them, this one could actually be decided at the DNC itself. It would be interesting having a Convention with something at stake for a change, instead of just a giant pep rally, as the Conventions usually are.

[Chewy]

I'm actually quite surprised, and a bit impressed, that voters stood up to the tremendous momentum the liberal press gave their golden boy Obama. This race should be decided by the voters, not the media, and this one is now a horse race again. With only 85 delegates separating them, this one could actually be decided at the DNC itself. It would be interesting having a Convention with something at stake for a change, instead of just a giant pep rally, as the Conventions usually are.
I agree it should be decided by the voters not the media.

Obama lost some ground last night but not anything significant he was won 1,451 delegates and super delegates thus far to Hillary's 1,365 they are less than 100 apart in a race to 2,025. Yes it may be the DNC that decides this one, hell at this point it might even be Puerto Rico now wouldn't that be something.

[Jenovah]

Wouldn't it be good to just do away with the two-party-system so everyone can vote for the Green or Libertarian Party without getting the feeling that their vote is wasted anyway?

I'm not saying you should emulate the European system, since that has it's flaws as well. But the whole Pick-Either-Democrat-Or-Republican sounds so outdated for the 21th century, and it's beginning to show..

Then again, that's the view I get from the outside, most of the forum-members here have better knowledge of the political system than I do, it just seems so flawed from way up here.

[drahkcorjc]

It is flawed. It's ridiculous. I can't think of one country that really has the whole democracy thing down right. Maybe Switzerland, I don't know.

[Spike Lee]

Wouldn't it be good to just do away with the two-party-system so everyone can vote for the Green or Libertarian Party without getting the feeling that their vote is wasted anyway?

I'm not saying you should emulate the European system, since that has it's flaws as well. But the whole Pick-Either-Democrat-Or-Republican sounds so outdated for the 21th century, and it's beginning to show..

Then again, that's the view I get from the outside, most of the forum-members here have better knowledge of the political system than I do, it just seems so flawed from way up here.
You're saying get rid of the big two so we can get the small two. Which in the end will become the big two.

[_Joe]

I'm switching party affiliation from GOP to DEM to vote for Obama.

[goatwalker]

I almost have a feeling that Puerti Rico will be the deciding factor.

[Delta05]

I'm from ohio and i voted for ron paul yesterday. The fact that hillary has won all the big states (california, texas, newyork, florida, ohio.) Is big for them, and could go either way now.

[Chewy]

I'm switching party affiliation from GOP to DEM to vote for Obama.

You know there were a few GOP candidates I really liked, McCain was one of the long shots for me. Hillary and Obama have their advantages and disadvantages both are milking the fact they are 'different' both have a degree of the cult of personality that Droog speaks of. I stated a while back the fact Obama has not been playing the game with the old guard is a significant appealing factor for me.

Lets face it GW was a career politician with plenty of time in the saddle, look what the yielded us.

I don't see Whom ever is the next president serving more than one term. In some ways I'd like to see a string GOP candidate in power becuase I like seeing a degree of displacement of power between Congress and the White House. But I don't see McCain being a a strong enough player so I'm currently favoring Obama.

[ROFLStomp]

Yeah, God forbid the masses actually pick the nominee, what is this a democracy or something, sheesh.

Damn straight, thats the way it should be. The forefathers of our country purposely added the electoral college so a bunch of farmer hicks couldn't elect someone stupid. They also feared the day that the masses ruled through popular democracy, where every dumb idiot can join together and vote to take all the money away from the rich people. Its the reason why we have representative democracy lol.

[_Joe]

You know there were a few GOP candidates I really liked, McCain was one of the long shots for me. Hillary and Obama have their advantages and disadvantages both are milking the fact they are 'different' both have a degree of the cult of personality that Droog speaks of. I stated a while back the fact Obama has not been playing the game with the old guard is a significant appealing factor for me.

Lets face it GW was a career politician with plenty of time in the saddle, look what the yielded us.

I don't see Whom ever is the next president serving more than one term. In some ways I'd like to see a string GOP candidate in power becuase I like seeing a degree of displacement of power between Congress and the White House. But I don't see McCain being a a strong enough player so I'm currently favoring Obama.

Yea, my rationale is the GOP candidate is essentially chosen, so I wanna vote where it will make a difference. I just hate Hillary Clinton.

[Chewy]

Yea, my rationale is the GOP candidate is essentially chosen, so I wanna vote where it will make a difference. I just hate Hillary Clinton. I see the GOP candidate as being somewhat a sacrificial lamb, much like Kerry was 4 years ago. Someone to put up a show but take a dive in the third round. I'm not big on Hillary or Bill let's face it they are a package deal.

[Jenovah]

You're saying get rid of the big two so we can get the small two. Which in the end will become the big two.

Not exactly, I'm just saying that every party should have an equal chance of getting someone elected. It doesn't matter if it's the democratic, the republican, the green, the libertarian or the socialist party, the people should not have to feel like they're using a wasted vote whilst voting for anyone except dems and reps.