Saving America

[AmericanHero]

POINT ONE: A ferocious retaliation against all Muslim nations which have in any way aided or abetted terrorism against American citizens.

POINT TWO: The immediate destruction by the American or Israeli military of all Muslim nuclear reactors, plants and laboratories developing nuclear, chemical and/or biological weapons of mass destruction.

POINT THREE: Total energy independence for America through a crash development program funded in the defense budget as a vital national security priority.

POINT FOUR: An immediate end to all U.S. foreign aid, even to a genuine friend and ally like Israel, which is harmed rather than helped by her counterproductive dependency on America's addictive welfare handouts.

POINT FIVE: An immediate end to all foreign immigration into the United States, combined with the complete expulsion of America's millions of illegal aliens and the stringent removal of her legal ones at the expiration of their work or residency visas.

POINT SIX: An immediate recognition by the United States of little Israel's G-d-given right and obligation to assert full and permanent sovereign control over all sacred Jewish Biblical lands, including Judea, Samaria, the Gaza District, the Golan Heights and eastern Jerusalem.

POINT SEVEN: An immediate withdrawal from the fanatically anti-American United Nations (UN) and all organizations directly or indirectly affiliated with it, and the immediate banning of all UN-related activities on American soil.



Do you think this will help america?

[Dayve]

Point 1 - Pull all your troops out of every nation except America and you won't have to defend yourselves from terrorists.

America created these problems for herself, and now you're speaking of bombing the people who are attacking you like they are the bad guys? Pathetic.

[Nocturnal]

No, because much of it is not accurate.

Ie the UN being Anti-american. The UN exists to rubber stamp our efforts, when that doesn't happen it doesn't mean they are "against us".

Energy independence is key.

Israel should be on it's own (unless in active danger, and only then because they are an ally and "innocent" in that situation)

Illegal aliens are bad, legal ones are good.

[AmericanHero]

It is people like you who are the reason america is in a downwerd spiral dayve

[Superior_to_you]

POINT SIX: An immediate recognition by the United States of little Israel's G-d-given right and obligation to assert full and permanent sovereign control over all sacred Jewish Biblical lands, including Judea, Samaria, the Gaza District, the Golan Heights and eastern Jerusalem.

Empires fall and borders change. Why should Israel alone among all countries be exempt to this rule?

[Swindler]

I'd be more interested in reading why you think those actions would be the least bit beneficial to America's prosperity.

[AmericanHero]

Read the bible no muslim should be allowed to have israel land like there is no such things as palestineans

[AmericanHero]

look at all the empires /countrys that screwed with israel they are gone

[painfulogic]

It is people like you who are the reason america is in a downwerd spiral dayve

It is people like you that make other people want to cause our downfall...

[AmericanHero]

how so i this country is going to fall because of people in our government and people who vote for a muslim named obama

[Dayve]

It is people like you who are the reason america is in a downwerd spiral dayve

Nope, America is causing its own downward spiral.

Read the bible no muslim should be allowed to have israel land like there is no such things as palestineans

Your motives are religious ones and don't belong in this age.

[AmericanHero]

dayve what are you by the way

[Dayve]

dayve what are you by the way

What am i? in regards to what? Religion? Nationality? Sex? Race? What?

[AmericanHero]

Religion&Race

[Swindler]

Probably means religion. Using my awesome deduction skills (basically realizing that the person who wrote the 7 points can at least construct a decent sentence, whereas he can not), I decided to do a quick google search using the first point as my entry.

And what do I find..? Wait for it…..Jews against Obama! Ding, ding! We have a winner!

http://www.jtf.org/issues.php

[Dayve]

Religion&Race

I have no religion and i'm white English. Are you going somewhere with this?

[AmericanHero]

Answer my question

[Dayve]

Answer my question

I just did. I'm of no religion and i'm white English.

[AmericanHero]

yes do you think islam is a religion of peace and do you think obama is muslim

[Superior_to_you]

So um... This guy is a troll, right? I mean, nobody can actually be this retarded... Can they?

[AmericanHero]

Superior_to_you you are a jackass

[Dayve]

No religion is a religion of peace, they all have enough blood on their hands to paint an entire continent.

As for Obama, i haven't looked into it. I had heard he went to an islamic school in a country i cannot remember when he was young but i've never bothered to research it. Personally i don't think it would matter. In my ideal world religious people would be barred from any political office whether they were muslim, christian or jew.

[MurdocUSA]

AmericanHero you must be my long lost brother.

Dayve, you hate America and its citizens so much that your blinded by your own stupidity.

[Dayve]

AmericanHero you must be my long lost brother.

Dayve, you hate America and its citizens so much that your blinded by your own stupidity.

No i dont, i hate the current American government and the people that support it. Don't put words in my mouth.

[j.elohim]

Why the Croatia flag?

[AmericanHero]

why do you think

[BlueQuarter]

Point 1 - Pull all your troops out of every nation except America and you won't have to defend yourselves from terrorists.
.


Dude..

Are you just watching BBC or something?

If coalition forces left Iraq TODAY, you think the killing would stop. & I don't just mean in Iraq.. I mean in North America...

It's easier to fight their cause "The War against America and the 'occupiers'" in their home land.

If the states left, they would have time to regroup and even bigger militia, members of the Iraqi military would dismember, they would plan for more attacks in Europe/Middle Eastern and even North America soil.


You show me proof the above is not true...
& I'll show you a liar.

[AmericanHero]

iraq will join iran and they will bulid weapons funded by saudi arabia all muslim hate non muslims read the quran

[Daucus Karota]

Why the Croatia flag?

he is a child eating Croat!:idea:

[Dayve]

Dude..

Are you just watching BBC or something?

If coalition forces left Iraq TODAY, you think the killing would stop. & I don't just mean in Iraq.. I mean in North America...

It's easier to fight their cause "The War against America and the 'occupiers'" in their home land.

If the states left, they would have time to regroup and even bigger militia, members of the Iraqi military would dismember, they would plan for more attacks in Europe/Middle Eastern and even North America soil.


You show me proof the above is not true...
& I'll show you a liar.

No i don't watch the BBC. It's a government run news channel that puts a government spin on every second of news aired on it.

Iraq will fall into chaos when the army leaves anyway. Saddam did a good job of keeping other muslim warlords down so that he was the big cheese on the throne. Now he's gone, warlords are popping up everywhere and some of them are even in Iraq's new government.

May as well just leave now and let it happen, it's going to happen anyway.

[AmericanHero]

What the hell does that have to do with this topic are you a serb

[j.elohim]

No i don't watch the BBC. It's a government run news channel that puts a government spin on every second of news aired on it.



Apparently someone doesn't remember Gilligan.

[MurdocUSA]

No i dont, i hate the current American government and the people that support it. Don't put words in my mouth.


That’s bullshit dayve, anytime someone comes here and post something positive about America you come in to shoot them down. You hate America and her people

What’s funny is all these people hate America for her involvement in world affairs. But when you suggest a complete withdrawal from the world stage they still hate us.

Point is, Europeans and Canadians have built up a hate for the U.S. do to the realization that they can not function or survive without total reliance on America.

They will not accept this fact until China reaches superpower statues. I believe that department of defense’s annual report on the military power of the people’s republic of china says that will take place in 25 years maybe sooner. Communist China will attack European countries it’s just a mater of time and just like in WW2 they will plead for the U.S. to join them in their fight.

[AmericanHero]

j.elohim what the hell are you talking about

[j.elohim]

j.elohim what the hell are you talking about

Nothing that concerns you. As you may have noticed I didn't direct the comment at you.

[Dayve]

That’s bullshit dayve, anytime someone comes here and post something positive about America you come in to shoot them down. You hate America and her people

What’s funny is all these people hate America for her involvement in world affairs. But when you suggest a complete withdrawal from the world stage they still hate us.

Point is, Europeans and Canadians have built up a hate for the U.S. do to the realization that they can not function or survive without total reliance on America.

They will not accept this fact until China reaches superpower statues. I believe that department of defense’s annual report on the military power of the people’s republic of china says that will take place in 25 years maybe sooner. Communist China will attack European countries it’s just a mater of time and just like in WW2 they will plead for the U.S. to join them in their fight.

Once again, the world survived without America and it will continue to survive after it's gone. You're a corrupt greedy nation just like every other and nobody needs you. You're so fucking high and mighty you think the world revolves around the USA, and life would stop without the USA. That's the kind of Americans i absolutely despise. You.

[AmericanHero]

Just wait dayve and see how europe will look when muslims take over then you will be saying we need america

[Dayve]

Muslims won't take over.

[AmericanHero]

yes they will they have already started look at kosovo another muslim country which does not belong to them muslims think everything belongs to them

[Dayve]

muslims think everything belongs to them

So does the USA.

[AmericanHero]

not if they follow my points

[MurdocUSA]

Once again, the world survived without America and it will continue to survive after it's gone. You're a corrupt greedy nation just like every other and nobody needs you. You're so fucking high and mighty you think the world revolves around the USA, and life would stop without the USA. That's the kind of Americans i absolutely despise. You.

ohhh you fucking child, you have no idea. That is not some high and mighty American talk there. I’m speaking of facts only. Your economy is so closely entwined to ours that if America did fall you would suffer greatly. Your military is in no way capable of fighting off China point plank my friend. Europe would have no chance of surviving WW3 without total backing from the U.S. JUST LIKE WW1 AND WW2! And that’s what a war with superpower China would be world war fucking 3.

You can hate me for thinking the world revolves around us. But I can hate you for being a snooty backstabbing Brit who thinks that my home is nothing more than a bunch of backwoods hillbillies who care for nothing more than personal gain.

Your damn right Americans feel this way. We have sacrificed more of our blood for your home than you would ever be willing to give for ours.

[Henkie]

Yeah, we're the continent that has had serious problems with being overrun by extremely violent foreigners with only two reasons to come here, making money and fleeing dictatorial regimes...

[Nickster]

ohhh you fucking child, you have no idea. That is not some high and mighty American talk there. I’m speaking of facts only. Your economy is so closely entwined to ours that if America did fall you would suffer greatly. Your military is in no way capable of fighting off China point plank my friend. Europe would have no chance of surviving WW3 without total backing from the U.S. JUST LIKE WW1 AND WW2!

WW2 happened because Germany was completely fucked over when they lost WW1 and was ripe for some egotistical failed artist to take over. (this is very simplified of course.)

So if the US saved the Triple Entente then it's partially they're fault that WW2 happened. Along with all the other combatants of course.

Thanks.:squint:

[MurdocUSA]

WW2 happened because Germany was completely fucked over when they lost WW1 and was ripe for some egotistical failed artist to take over. (this is very simplified of course.)

So if the US saved the Triple Entente then it's partially they're fault that WW2 happened. Along with all the other combatants of course.

Thanks.:squint:

You prove my point, always looking for an angle to blame the U.S.

[TFS]

MurdocUSA, AmericanHero, and Dayve are all ignorant of the way the world, and in particular, the US works and operates.

Just leave them be...unless someone has a box we can put them in, rattle it around a bit, and see if they fight.

[Nickster]

You prove my point, always looking for an angle to blame the U.S.



You misunderstand me, WW1 was a complete clusterfuck that preceded a slightly bigger clusterfuck and being a part of it should not be anything to be proud of.

It's not blaming the US, it's blaming the fuckhole leaders of just about every single country involved at the time.

But of course you seem to think of the US as a single entity, as do people who blame it for everything. "You" did not "save" Britain in WW1 or 2.

That atleast explains the "Thanks" and squinty smiley.

[AmericanHero]

TSf or get hit by a car you fag

[elvis]

he's probably a serb pretending to be a croat in hopes of giving croats a reputation for metal retardation. ustasa ftl

[AmericanHero]

hey dont call me a fuckin serb you piece of shit i am a Croat

[AmericanHero]

do you know anything about croatia

[MurdocUSA]

WW2 happened because Germany was completely fucked over when they lost WW1 and was ripe for some egotistical failed artist to take over. (this is very simplified of course.)

So if the US saved the Triple Entente then it's partially they're fault that WW2 happened. Along with all the other combatants of course.

Thanks.:squint:

Soviet Canuckistan? i see you're no friend of Canada and you don't like the U.S. so whose side are you on anyway?

[TFS]

TSf or get hit by a car you fag

Thank you for proving my point. I am an American soldier in the Ohio Army National Guard, and come from a lineage that has served in every US military action going back to the Revolution.

I have an Asian girlfriend who I love to make cum multiple times across a 4-hour span.

Care to try and form an actual rebuttal sans insults before you get banned for calling me a fag?

[Nickster]

^^

Neither, I hate "sides". I will wait until societies destroy eachother and rebuild it in my image! Like Adolf Hitlol after WW1.

Get it now?

And I'm from Canada BTW.

[Spike Lee]

Stop with the name calling and read the rules of this section.

[Nocturnal]

Chenqui, My nam A-merican Heroz. I come from Croatia. In my country there is problem of transport and of Muslim. My country next to terkmenistan, Hajistan, and (assholes) Uzbeks. I want to know why US and A like Obama, he is man of chocolate face and a muslim? I go now, My krahm is heavy.



-Nice TFS ;)

MurdocUSA, AmericanHero, and Dayve are all ignorant of the way the world, and in particular, the US works and operates.

Just leave them be...unless someone has a box we can put them in, rattle it around a bit, and see if they fight.

Only if we can throw emperer in there too.

[Spike Lee]

Chenqui, My nam A-merican Heroz. I come from Croatia. In my country there is problem of transport and of Muslim. My country next to terkmenistan, Hajistan, and (assholes) Uzbeks. I want to know why US and A like Obama, he is man of chocolate face and a muslim? I go now, My krahm is heavy.



-Nice TFS ;)

The Muslims have shifted shapes into Obama! I go walk my bilo now.

[MurdocUSA]

MurdocUSA, AmericanHero, and Dayve are all ignorant of the way the world, and in particular, the US works and operates.

Just leave them be...unless someone has a box we can put them in, rattle it around a bit, and see if they fight.


I may allow my mind run lose on a computer screen TFS but I’m fair from being ignorant. I doubt you could school me on any facts of American history pertaining to current events that I don't already know. I’ve been there done that and got the T-shirt.

If Dayve didn't want to have a forum fight all he would have to do is stop posting...

Why on earth would you come to the current events forum other than to debate politics and religion and maybe vent a little? Though I doubt I would hang out with dayve do to his view of the world I wouldn’t push him into the path of a fast approaching car either. ;)

[Spike Lee]

Anybody ever notice that the trollish posters seem to have USA or America in their name. Do they really love America or do they just compinsate by putting the name in ther Screen Name and shouting xenophobic ideology?

[Danimal87]

Muslims won't take over.
They certainly talk about it, even Muslims in Britain that have been there long enough, or were born there, to speak perfect English. Just yesterday, my class on Islam in Europe watched a BBC documentary called "Young, Angry, and Muslim", and even though the whole thing was ridiculously pro-Muslim, took an exclusively Muslim point of view and only bothered to mention your average white British citizen when they called them violent drunkards, it did briefly reveal some of what goes on in many mosques there.

A Muslim woman started getting involved with a mosque that really intrigued her because it talked about global issues that affect Muslims, like the war in Iraq, Bosnia, and Palestine. According to her, Muslims in her mosque expressly want to overthrow the secular governments of Europe. Now, Muslims might not be able to take over the government right now, but with so many native Britons leaving the country, native whites having such low birthrates, explosive immigration from Muslim regions of the world, and high birthrates in those Muslim families that arrive, it is almost inevitable that they will have an increasingly more powerful influence on democratic governments in Europe. Your home of Great Britain may indeed one day be ruled by Muslims, with laws that may ban alcohol, pornography, and censor most every kind of media.

Whats makes this even more unfortunate is that what I just typed here is in many European nations considered to be hate speech. France's National Front leader Le Pen extrapolated demography charts and concluded that Europe would eventually be a Muslim continent, and as a result had to pay a huge fine for incitement of hate. Simply looking ahead to his country's future and stating what it would look like is a crime.

[TFS]

I may allow my mind run lose on a computer screen TFS but I’m fair from being ignorant. I doubt you could school me on any facts of American history pertaining to current events that I don't already know. I’ve been there done that and got the T-shirt.

The whole reason you would already know the facts is if you've already been schooled on them, so I'm inclined to agree with that.

My point about you is that what you pull from the facts you know and deduce for your opinions is a good stretch in some ways. But you seem intelligent enough to actually defend yourself with logic and remain somewhat respectful, so I can deal with that even if I still think your opinions are ignorant.

If Dayve didn't want to have a forum fight all he would have to do is stop posting...

Why on earth would you come to the current events forum other than to debate politics and religion and maybe vent a little? Though I doubt I would hang out with dayve do to his view of the world I wouldn’t push him into the path of a fast approaching car either. ;)

I have the same problem with him. But as bad as I find his opinions, I can't say I find yours to be much better. Yeah, it would be nice to be unable to say a bad thing about America or Bush or the war or anything, but it just isn't so. There is no absolute like that.

[Nocturnal]

Anybody ever notice that the trollish posters seem to have USA or America in their name. Do they really love America or do they just compinsate by putting the name in ther Screen Name and shouting xenophobic ideology?

It's a secret plan by the anti-america types to make us look bad.

[Daucus Karota]

What the hell does that have to do with this topic are you a serb

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Efc9btN2g0Y

[Mike Oxslong]

Palestinians won't get their independence until Americans get theirs!

Ariel Sharon:
"We control America"
"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
- Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001.



George Washington
( in Maxims of George Washington by A. A. Appleton & Co.)
"They (the Jews) work more effectively against us, than the enemy's armies. They are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberties and the great cause we are engaged in... It is much to be lamented that each state, long ago, has not hunted them down as pest to society and the greatest enemies we have to the happiness of America."
(George Washington)

Thomas Jefferson
(18th century American statesman)
"Dispersed as the Jews are, they still form one nation, foreign to the land they live in."
Thomas Jefferson (D. Boorstin, THE AMERICANS)
"Those who labor in the earth are the Chosen People of God, if ever he had a chosen people."
Thomas Jefferson (NOTES ON VIRGINIA)

Peter Styvesant
( 17th century Dutch governor in America.)
"The Jews who have arrived would nearly all like to remain here, but learning that they (with their customary usury and deceitful trading with the Christians) were very repugnant to the inferior magistrates, as also to the people having the most affection for you; the Deaconry also fearing that owing to their present indigence they might become a charge in the coming winter, we have, for the benefit of this weak newly developing place and land in general, deemed it useful to require them in a friendly way to depart; praying also most seriously in this connection, for ourselves also for the general community of your worships, that the deceitful race - such hateful enemies and blasphemers of the name of Christ - not be allowed further to infect and trouble this new colony."
Peter Styvesant
(Letter to the Amsterdam Chamber of the Dutch West India Company, from New Amsterdam, September 22, 1654

[particlephysics]

i dont really care about this. It so insignificant of whats going on in the rest of the world

[TFS]

Palestinians won't get their independence until Americans get theirs!

Ariel Sharon:
"We control America"
"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
- Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001.



George Washington
( in Maxims of George Washington by A. A. Appleton & Co.)
"They (the Jews) work more effectively against us, than the enemy's armies. They are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberties and the great cause we are engaged in... It is much to be lamented that each state, long ago, has not hunted them down as pest to society and the greatest enemies we have to the happiness of America."
(George Washington)

Thomas Jefferson
(18th century American statesman)
"Dispersed as the Jews are, they still form one nation, foreign to the land they live in."
Thomas Jefferson (D. Boorstin, THE AMERICANS)
"Those who labor in the earth are the Chosen People of God, if ever he had a chosen people."
Thomas Jefferson (NOTES ON VIRGINIA)

Peter Styvesant
( 17th century Dutch governor in America.)
"The Jews who have arrived would nearly all like to remain here, but learning that they (with their customary usury and deceitful trading with the Christians) were very repugnant to the inferior magistrates, as also to the people having the most affection for you; the Deaconry also fearing that owing to their present indigence they might become a charge in the coming winter, we have, for the benefit of this weak newly developing place and land in general, deemed it useful to require them in a friendly way to depart; praying also most seriously in this connection, for ourselves also for the general community of your worships, that the deceitful race - such hateful enemies and blasphemers of the name of Christ - not be allowed further to infect and trouble this new colony."
Peter Styvesant
(Letter to the Amsterdam Chamber of the Dutch West India Company, from New Amsterdam, September 22, 1654

How about links to sources of this information?