Anti-Americanism 'feels like racism'

[Inquisitor]

An old story but I'd say one worth posting.

Anti-Americanism 'feels like racism'

Christian Cox, a US citizen living in London, wrote to the BBC news website to express her concern about the amount of abuse she receives because of her nationality.

She says the level of anti-Americanism she has experienced "feels like a kind of racism".

"I don't want anyone to feel sorry for Americans, or me, I just want people to realise that we are dealing with hatred too."

Typical British pub banter is one thing, says Christian Cox, but the "pure hatred" she says is directed at her for being American is really starting to wear her down.

The former model moved to London a year ago, where she is setting up her own business, and has been surprised at how some people have reacted to her nationality.

Ms Cox, 29, says she has been called, among other things, "terrorist", "scum", "low life", and feels that she is constantly being held to account for the actions of President Bush and for US foreign policy.

This is despite the fact that she doesn't agree with the war in Iraq and didn't vote for Bush.

However she adds: "Bush is our leader and I respect that. It's a bit like the way you feel about your father. You don't always agree with him, but you would defend him.

She has travelled widely in other parts of Europe, Mexico, Canada and Australia but says this is the first time her pride in her country has been challenged in such a vitriolic way.

"People would make jokes about Americans but I didn't experience the pure hatred I have had since I came to live here.

"I appreciate that British people often don't understand why I have so much pride, they think it's brainwashing.

"And I do think some people in the US need to be more educated about what's going on in the world.

"But some people just fly off the handle without even talking to me - it's as if they had been waiting to run into an American all day to let their feelings out," she says.

To avoid confrontations she says she lowers her voice on the Underground and in pubs.

But in one incident an older man asked her directly if she was American.

"When I said yes he said: 'I just want you to know that I think you are the poorest people I have ever met in my life' - meaning we were low-life.

"I said I was sorry he felt that way, but that I disagreed."

The man started shouting obscenities at her group. The row developed into a brawl and Ms Cox suffered a black eye as she tried to pull two people apart.

"After that I cried for two days, then booked a flight back to the States. I felt so hated, I needed to be with people who loved me."

Some friends now advise her to tell people she is Canadian, to deflect potential abuse, an option she calls "sad".

'Culture shock'

However it is advice that teacher Francesca Terry, 28, who grew up in Seattle, recognises.

She has lived in London for four years and is married with a daughter.

"I was aware before I moved here that when you travelled abroad it was always better to say you were Canadian if you could get away with it. But we treated it more like a joke."

She was subjected to verbal abuse in the first year or so in Britain, but things calmed down particularly when she had her daughter and stopped going out to pubs so much.

"When I first came here it was part of the culture shock. I felt really naive, I had thought I would go unnoticed here.

"I would go out and I'd just get picked on by people taking pot shots. I just didn't speak when we went out. What shocked me was that people would just say the rudest comments."

But she adds that she has a close group of girlfriends from the US, many of whom say they have not had similar experiences.

She says she is still cautious when she's out and about: "If people ask where I'm from I say 'the States, but the part near Canada'."

"I feel bad about saying that, but it is out of a kind of guilt, I just don't want to get into it with people. When I do, I tell them these are not my choices. I understand my president makes bad decisions, but that's not me."

The US embassy in London declined to comment on the story.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4881474.stm

[jonnykill]

Bah Britians are pissed because they got fucked up teeth and a queen for a boss.

[Papero]

The women is a disgrace, she should never come back to this country.

"I appreciate that British people often don't understand why I have so much pride, they think it's brainwashing.

And the British haven't brainwashed each other? They're the ones holding any single American accountable for the detested war, and the fact remains the British penis became Viagra induced erect when the idea of war with the middle east came around. Is this just forgotten by the British? Their own actions are completely overlooked, most things they hate about the U.S their own country has done or is doing.

And I do think some people in the US need to be more educated about what's going on in the world.

And the British harassing her are smarter then any given American? This feels like PC rubbish with whites vs blacks in America, giving the British a get out of jail free card, meanwhile belittling ourselves.

Fuck this lady, I don't want her coming back to this country. If you're proud of your country, you proudly tell every wanker where you're from, if they've a problem with this you simply ignore them. Ignoring Brits like that is poison, they can't take it, and it's amusing.

[Danimal87]

I've been studying here in Berlin for about three months now, but I haven't run into very much anti-Americanism. Some people confuse me for an Englishman, but I'm never afraid to smile and proudly say that I am an American. When they find out that I'm from Virginia, they start singing "Country Roads" by John Denver, and I forgive them for the mistake.

While I was in Copenhagen a few days ago, two friends of mine heard some Muslim immigrants remark to themselves "Americans!" and started spitting in their direction. If it had happened to me, I would have confronted them, and if they persisted, they'd be spitting out their teeth instead of spit.

[Face Plant]

The Anglo/American alliance is one entity

The US is not acting alone, the British are always lock step with American policy. Nobody twisted their arm

[texmaster]

I had a friend in a London airport who was confronted by two Muslims screaming at him just because they saw his passport and knew he was an American.

If you are spoonfed the hate they are fed in their media about the US, you would hate too. If anyone has been brainwashed, its Europe.

[MelL]

Fuck this lady, I don't want her coming back to this country. If you're proud of your country, you proudly tell every wanker where you're from, if they've a problem with this you simply ignore them. Ignoring Brits like that is poison, they can't take it, and it's amusing.

It's called discretion. It's one thing to be proud of your country, but it's another to put herself in a potentially dangerous situation because someone else wants to act like an idiot.

[Papero]

It's called discretion. It's one thing to be proud of your country, but it's another to put herself in a potentially dangerous situation because someone else wants to act like an idiot.

She isn't in any dangerous situations, she's being picked on and can't take it.

[MelL]

She isn't in any dangerous situations, she's being picked on and can't take it.

Things can escalate. And then what? She gets beaten and maybe stabbed or shot? What if she gets killed? Why should her family and friends have to go through the grief of losing a loved one so she can strut her stuff for no reason?

[Papero]

Things can escalate. And then what? She gets beaten and maybe stabbed or shot? What if she gets killed? Why should her family and friends have to go through the grief of losing a loved one so she can strut her stuff for no reason?

It's unlikely telling someone you're from America and ignoring them is going to escalate to death, that's all I'm saying.

The British like to preach non-violence, if someone were to be killed for just saying their nationality in the U.K, it wouldn't be taken lightly.

[jonnykill]

She isn't in any dangerous situations, she's being picked on and can't take it.

Well if you red the article she got a black eye in a dispute, in the pub. Don't act as if your pussy ass would take the same course of action fuck face.

[Papero]

Well if you red the article she got a black eye in a dispute, in the pub. Don't act as if your pussy ass would take the same course of action fuck face.

You're right, I would probably shoot him, I am American after all.

[Dayve]

Before you all start calling for an invasion of Britain, check the location the two women were in.

London.

Londoners are some of the most rude and disgusting people on earth. Nobody in Britain likes Londoners except Londoners. I'd get just as much abuse as the Americans got if i went to London just because i'm from the north of England.

Going to London isn't a smart thing to do, not if you're from any other part of England and especially not if you're from abroad. If any Americans feel the need to come to England, come to the north of England, the people aren't anywhere near as rude as Londoners.

There's an American guy doing the same course as me at my local community center, nobody ever gives him shit for being American. Nobody even gives his nationality a second thought.

[Face Plant]

Before you all start calling for an invasion of Britain, check the location the two women were in.

London.

Londoners are some of the most rude and disgusting people on earth. Nobody in Britain likes Londoners except Londoners. I'd get just as much abuse as the Americans got if i went to London just because i'm from the north of England.

Going to London isn't a smart thing to do, not if you're from any other part of England and especially not if you're from abroad. If any Americans feel the need to come to England, come to the north of England, the people aren't anywhere near as rude as Londoners.

Are you seriously saying Americans would get a warmer reception in Manchester or Sheffield?

[Dayve]

Are you seriously saying Americans would get a warmer reception in Manchester or Sheffield?

Yup. A lot warmer than London anyhow.

I don't get singled out in Manchester, but then again my accent is so close to their they don't even notice. If i go to Liverpool however i get dirty looks. If i went into a pub in Liverpool i'd more than likely leave said pub through a glass window, with the help of a patron or two.

Stop acting like this hatred is exclusive to Americans. Generally, humans are tribal. Anybody not from the 'tribe', they treat with suspicion or worse. It's a given. It will happen to anybody of any nationality anywhere in the world outside of their own community.

[Face Plant]

Yup. A lot warmer than London anyhow.

I've been to the UK a few times, both London and the North. Barnsley in Yorkshire just south of Sheffield, also Manchester and Liverpool. I'm Canadian but was mistaken for American in most places. I have to say I never got any grief in London but plenty in the North, particularly Manchester. And this was in the late 90's before the resurgent anti Americanism post Sept 11

[Daucus Karota]

I'm going to start shouting "Qusling" and "landssviker" to all 'Norwegian'American tourists I meet! :lol:

[Face Plant]

"Qusling"

Vidkun Quisling?

[Daucus Karota]

Vidkun Quisling?

yes

Quisling!

[_jax]

they can hate us all they want, i'm used to haters.

this article is about a female, those niggas pick fights with females? thats just disgraceful. i could give a fuck about global politics, if you came at me with that shit i'll show u a violent american.

[Papero]

Yup. A lot warmer than London anyhow.

I don't get singled out in Manchester, but then again my accent is so close to their they don't even notice. If i go to Liverpool however i get dirty looks. If i went into a pub in Liverpool i'd more than likely leave said pub through a glass window, with the help of a patron or two.

Stop acting like this hatred is exclusive to Americans. Generally, humans are tribal. Anybody not from the 'tribe', they treat with suspicion or worse. It's a given. It will happen to anybody of any nationality anywhere in the world outside of their own community.

It's hard for Americans to understand that kind of rivalry, it doesn't really exist here.

[Face Plant]

yes

Quisling!

He had some good ideas, that Nazi Lebensborn breeding camp producing a super race was a good one. Even if it did produce 1/4 of Abba (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/jun/30/kateconnolly.theobserver)

[jonnykill]

You're right, I would probably shoot him, I am American after all.


I cannot retort this perfect answer lol :D

[Dayve]

It's hard for Americans to understand that kind of rivalry, it doesn't really exist here.

Yes it does. You have extreme racism with white people getting murdered in black neighbourhoods and vice versa, and you have the whole north/south divide thing because of the civil war.

It exists everywhere in the world. A line is drawn on a map and called a border and men on either side of it immediately start to be suspicious of each-other. It's human nature and it'll never change.

If people don't want to be singled out for their nationality or skin colour, stay home around your own people.

Oh but don't forget, even if you stay where you grew up people are still divided by which football team they support, which political party they support and whether they think the Xbox 360 is better than the PS3 or not.

Conclusion? There's no escaping it. The OP just posted two cases of something which happens on every single inch on earth inhabited by human beings. I don't think it's worthy of the forum. I may go find two cases of British people in America being abused for their nationality and post something similar.

Or maybe 2 immigrant Arabs being abused in Russia. Or maybe 2 Frenchmen being abused in Congo.

See what i'm saying? It happens everywhere. It's human nature. Get over it and stop acting like nationality hatred is exclusive to Americans. It isn't.

[Daucus Karota]

I have never experienced any form of Discrimination while abroad!

[Face Plant]

Get over it and stop acting like nationality hatred is exclusive to Americans. It isn't.

Yeah but this new anti-Americanism in Britain is based mainly on the Iraq War. Its really hypocritical though because the UK is part of this global war on terror too. The British public seem to put most of the blame on Washington absolving their own government for Iraq.

Anglo/American foreign policy is a mirror image. Reagan=Thatcher, Bush=Blair

[Dayve]

Yeah but this new anti-Americanism in Britain is based mainly on the Iraq War. Its really hypocritical though because the UK is part of this global war on terror too. The British public seem to put most of the blame on Washington absolving their own government for Iraq.

Anglo/American foreign policy is a mirror image. Reagan=Thatcher, Bush=Blair

This country didn't want war with Iraq.

[Inquisitor]

The OP just posted two cases of something which happens on every single inch on earth inhabited by human beings. I don't think it's worthy of the forum. I may go find two cases of British people in America being abused for their nationality and post something similar.

Well, I'm sorry that you feel this topic isn't "worthy of the forum." But again, as with every single one of my posts and topics, there is a greater message to be understood. One that, apparently, went over your head.

It really has little to do with illustrating petty squabbles between dissimilar (or similar) peoples, which does, as you say, occur everywhere on the planet and is largely inevitable. I prefer my posts to be somewhat cryptic in nature; it makes things more interesting, from my view, and gets the old cogs in the head to turn a little, which is always good now and then, no?

On the surface this story seems to be, as you suggested, an instance of rude Englishmen picking on a poor American woman. And not so specific, but perhaps a commentary on the broader truth that people have conflict -- such is life. However, this instance speaks volumes on immigration and multiculturalism (even when it involves similar people), and European reactionism to the overly liberal immigration policies.

It also goes as a reminder that in the midst of all this talk of the dangers of Islam to Europe (which, make no mistake, is certainly a danger), it can be easy to lose sight of the fact that Muslim immigrants aren't the only threat. That is, that non-European immigrants as a whole and even European immigrants can just as easily invoke or contribute to the deterioration of a nation's culture and identity as any Muslim can. The lesson to be learned is that uncontrolled immigration is a very dangerous fire to play with, particularly when ethnicity is not considered the backbone of a nation and no integration policies are held.

It also says a thing or two about [what I consider to be] the misconception that American imperialism stems from Bush and the Bush administration. That's another topic for another time, as I find myself saying quite a bit.

[Dayve]

Well, I'm sorry that you feel this topic isn't "worthy of the forum." But again, as with every single one of my posts and topics, there is a greater message to be understood. One that, apparently, went over your head.

It really has little to do with illustrating petty squabbles between dissimilar (or similar) peoples, which does, as you say, occur everywhere on the planet and is largely inevitable. I prefer my posts to be somewhat cryptic in nature; it makes things more interesting, from my view, and gets the old cogs in the head to turn a little, which is always good now and then, no?

On the surface this story seems to be, as you suggested, an instance of rude Englishmen picking on a poor American woman. And not so specific, but perhaps a commentary on the broader truth that people have conflict -- such is life. However, this instance speaks volumes on immigration and multiculturalism (even when it involves similar people), and European reactionism to the overly liberal immigration policies.

It also goes as a reminder that in the midst of all this talk of the dangers of Islam to Europe (which, make no mistake, is certainly a danger), it can be easy to lose sight of the fact that Muslim immigrants aren't the only threat. That is, that non-European immigrants as a whole and even European immigrants can just as easily invoke or contribute to the deterioration of a nation's culture and identity as any Muslim can. The lesson to be learned is that uncontrolled immigration is a very dangerous fire to play with, particularly when ethnicity is not considered the backbone of a nation and no integration policies are held.

It also says a thing or two about [what I consider to be] the misconception that American imperialism stems from Bush and the Bush administration. That's another topic for another time, as I find myself saying quite a bit.

Poppycock. You just wanted to stir up some hatred, and what better way on a forum where 9/10 people are American than to post stories of an American woman being verbally/physically abused in Britain, by narrow minded British lowlifes, because she was American.

Because that's exactly what they were, narrow minded scumbags, and they exist in the USA too, and every other nation on earth as well. But not everybody here is like that, as much as you would like to convince everybody else otherwise.

Oh and well done in accomplishing what you came here to do. You've already got 3/4 of the thread screaming for the blood of an Englishman.

[Inquisitor]

Poppycock. You just wanted to stir up some hatred, and what better way on a forum where 9/10 people are American than to post stories of an American woman being verbally/physically abused in Britain, by narrow minded British lowlifes, because she was American.

If that was my intention, I'd have no reservations about saying it was so. I have nothing to hide. No reputation to preserve, what with my 40 or so posts and my membership that's been in existence for a handful of days.

But it wasn't my intention. My intention was outlined quite clearly above. That you refuse to accept it, well... let's just say I'll manage to stomach it. :D

[drahkcorjc]

It must be a British thing.. I've lived in Germany for almost 2 years, and people actually think it's cool when they find out I'm American. Granted, they could just be acting nice to my face and waiting until I'm not around to make fun of me, but at least it's nothing like the article.

I do feel however, that right now in Europe it's the cool, uppity thing to do to hate America for the sake of hating America. Fucking brits.

[Dayve]

It must be a British thing.. I've lived in Germany for almost 2 years, and people actually think it's cool when they find out I'm American. Granted, they could just be acting nice to my face and waiting until I'm not around to make fun of me, but at least it's nothing like the article.

I do feel however, that right now in Europe it's the cool, uppity thing to do to hate America for the sake of hating America. Fucking brits.

Didn't read a single word of my posts did you.

Fucking idiots...

[ric]

I have shoulder length hair and possess a heavy dense beard. I truly blend into the crowd. As a matter of fact, people I've known for years do not recognize me...

[ThoughtCriminal]

This country didn't want war with Iraq.

Neither did ours, we we're manipulated into supporting it under false pretenses, and when we slowly learned the truth of it, it was too late to turn back. 3/4 of our country is presently against it.

I find it mind blowing hypocrisy some Brit's have this attitude towards us, since the Royal armed forces are walking hand in hand with America into battle.
If anything, criticize your own government for their role and support in this...
It's not our fault your leaders are U.S lap dogs... Blame them, not us.

[Dayve]

Neither did ours, we we're manipulated into supporting it under false pretenses, and when we slowly learned the truth of it, it was too late to turn back. 3/4 of our country is presently against it.

I find it mind blowing hypocrisy some Brit's have this attitude towards us, since the Royal armed forces are walking hand in hand with America into battle.
If anything, criticize your own government for their role and support in this...
It's not our fault your leaders are U.S lap dogs... Blame them, not us.

I blame both.

got a problem with that? Tough.

[ThoughtCriminal]

I blame both.

got a problem with that? Tough.
:rolleyes:
pfffff...
I do have a problem with that... Got a problem with me, having a problem with that? Tough.

lol what a worthless comment

[Dayve]

Got a problem with me, having a problem with that?

Not at all. I realize a lot of Americans have a massive problem accepting the fact that their country is to blame for anything, ever in the history of the nation.

Tony Blurt took Britain into Iraq despite the fact that the majority of our nation didn't want it, but we all know the shady criminals that run the USA bought and paid for him long before the war.

[ThoughtCriminal]

Not at all. I realize a lot of Americans have a massive problem accepting the fact that their country is to blame for anything, ever in the history of the nation.

I don't think our "country" is to blame, I think the administration is.


Tony Blurt took Britain into Iraq despite the fact that the majority of our nation didn't want it, but we all know the shady criminals that run the USA bought and paid for him long before the war.

So wouldn't that make him just as much of a shady criminal for accepting the "payment"?

[drahkcorjc]

Didn't read a single word of my posts did you.

Fucking idiots...

No, honestly I normally skip over your posts.

[Daucus Karota]

I have shoulder length hair and possess a heavy dense beard. I truly blend into the crowd. As a matter of fact, people I've known for years do not recognize me...

you definitely don't blend into the crowd if you look like that!:eek:

[Nocturnal]

I've been studying here in Berlin for about three months now, but I haven't run into very much anti-Americanism. Some people confuse me for an Englishman, but I'm never afraid to smile and proudly say that I am an American. When they find out that I'm from Virginia, they start singing "Country Roads" by John Denver, and I forgive them for the mistake.

While I was in Copenhagen a few days ago, two friends of mine heard some Muslim immigrants remark to themselves "Americans!" and started spitting in their direction. If it had happened to me, I would have confronted them, and if they persisted, they'd be spitting out their teeth instead of spit.


I was in Munich over the summer and the Germans were very nice to me. They were usually surprised that I was American though, I guess they usually think of us as the Coyboy hat wearing loudmouth types.

[kevinsmith]

I haven't been lucky enough to do much traveling abroad. I did go to Canada a few years ago, and was amused to hear a local Victorian complaining loudly about rude Americans (as he was cussing in a family restaurant.) He said Americans are rude and have too many guns, every American is walking the street with a bazooka.
The funniest thing about it: He was bitching about Americans in a McDonald's. That's almost as much American soil as an embassy. lol.

I will say this...I wonder if a Brit told the same story about verbal abuse and hatred coming their way from Americans, if some people would be so quick to dismis it as basic human behavior, and instead use it as another example of why America sucks. lol.
It's funny...people come here from another country, and your average American is fascinated by it and wants to hear about their life.

[Nocturnal]

I haven't been lucky enough to do much traveling abroad. I did go to Canada a few years ago, and was amused to hear a local Victorian complaining loudly about rude Americans (as he was cussing in a family restaurant.) He said Americans are rude and have too many guns, every American is walking the street with a bazooka.
The funniest thing about it: He was bitching about Americans in a McDonald's. That's almost as much American soil as an embassy. lol.

I will say this...I wonder if a Brit told the same story about verbal abuse and hatred coming their way from Americans, if some people would be so quick to dismis it as basic human behavior, and instead use it as another example of why America sucks. lol.
It's funny...people come here from another country, and your average American is fascinated by it and wants to hear about their life.

We get a bad rap. People are pretty much the same in every country. I think the lack of knowledge of foreign events is a bit down here compared to other western nations, but as far as general attitudes it's all the same.

I too have always felt that I could claim sanctuary in a foreign McDonalds. "help, I'm being chased by russian spies, I need protection and a Big Mac"

[Sander]

Things can escalate. And then what? She gets beaten and maybe stabbed or shot? What if she gets killed? Why should her family and friends have to go through the grief of losing a loved one so she can strut her stuff for no reason?

Theres a higher chance you'd get killed in america for being american than in the uk. nobody has ever been killed in the uk becuase there american.

[drahkcorjc]

Theres a higher chance you'd get killed in america for being american than in the uk. nobody has ever been killed in the uk becuase there american.

How can you say that for sure? You can't...

[Sander]

How can you say that for sure? You can't...

well i can say for sure americans dont get killed in the uk becuase there american. You seem to think she has a higher chance of dying over here in the uk than in the us.

Misconceptions of the UK by America:

We adore our queen
We all have bad teeth
we ride on horseback
we have millions of castles
we have no electricity
wtf is an Atari?
we all hate americans
it rains alot more than the us
where poor

[Dayve]

Oh and to the guy who said that people from different states don't have a problem with each other and Americans don't understand being cautious of somebody from another town/state doesn't exist in the USA, i was watching a video while browsing LiveLeak last night, a very interesting video.

A new Yorker had moved to another state, i forget which. He installed cameras all around his house and one morning captured a woman neighbour from the state setting him up. She hid outside his house and when he drove by her she called the cops and said he tried to run her over. Problem is, his cameras captured her getting into position and hiding, and she never even flinched when he went past in his car, she just calmly walked home.

So the cops arrive at her house, believe everything she says, her friend lies for her and says she witnessed it but there's another problem, the camera shows her friend arrive a few minutes after the incident so she was also telling lies. When the cops were questioning him they said "You might do things like this in New York but we don't act like that up here".

BINGO! Proof that being suspicious of somebody who's on the other side of the line your government draws as a border is basic human behaviour.

[Face Plant]

Not at all. I realize a lot of Americans have a massive problem accepting the fact that their country is to blame for anything, ever in the history of the nation.

Tony Blurt took Britain into Iraq despite the fact that the majority of our nation didn't want it, but we all know the shady criminals that run the USA bought and paid for him long before the war.

The irony of this post is mind boggling. First you say that Americans won't take responsibility for anything, then you blame shady criminals that run the US for Britain's involvement in Iraq

Tibet is in the news of late. I watched many white Britons protesting the Olympic torch because of Chinese oppression. Do most people in the UK even know that The British Empire massacred thousands of Tibetans in the 20th century. I doubt it

Talk about not taking responsibility for anything. I never see in any UK news reports concerning Tibet British involvement in that country. Even on the BBC Tibet profile page, its like Tibets history began in 1913 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/country_profiles/6299565.stm

[drahkcorjc]

We adore our queen - false
We all have bad teeth - true
we ride on horseback - false
we have millions of castles - false
we have no electricity - false
wtf is an Atari? - no idea
we all hate americans - true
it rains alot more than the us - true
where poor - i don't know you tell me

my observations anyway

[ric]

Do most people in the UK even know that The British Empire massacred thousands of Tibetans in the 20th century. I doubt it



Yes, barbarism at its worst

The Tibetans were aware of the expedition. To avoid bloodshed the Tibetan general at Yetung pledged that if the Tibetans make no attack upon the British, no attack should be made by the British on them. Colonel Younghusband on December 6, 1903 replied that “we are not at war with Tibet and that, unless we are ourselves attacked, we shall not attack the Tibetans.” [39]

Despite the mutual agreement, the British expedition did take the lives of a few thousand unprepared Tibetan soldiers and civilians. The biggest massacre took place on March 31, 1904 at a mountain pass halfway to Gyantse near a village called Guru. Colonel Younghusband tricked the 2,000 Tibetan soldiers guarding the pass into extinguishing the burning ropes of their basic rifles before firing at them with the Maxim machine guns and rifles. The Tibetan casualty, according to Younghusband’s account, was “500 killed and wounded.” [40] Others have claimed that the Tibetan casualty was as high as 1,300.

According to the British, their intention was to disarm Tibetan soldiers who were being surrounded. The slaughter was triggered by the Tibetans who fired the first shot. [41] But the accounts of those who pulled the triggers make it clear that the British had the intention of killing as many as possible. “From three sides at once a withering volley of magazine fire crashed into the crowded mass of Tibetans,” wrote Perceval Landon. “Under the appalling punishment of lead, they [the Tibetans] staggered, failed and ran…Men dropped at every yard.” [42]

The British soldiers mowed down the Tibetans with machine guns as they fled. “I got so sick of the slaughter that I ceased fire, though the general’s order was to make as big a bag as possible,” wrote Lieutenant Arthur Hadow, commander of the Maxim guns detachment. “I hope I shall never again have to shoot down men walking away.” [42]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet

[droogsteve]

Oh and to the guy who said that people from different states don't have a problem with each other and Americans don't understand being cautious of somebody from another town/state doesn't exist in the USA, i was watching a video while browsing LiveLeak last night, a very interesting video.

A new Yorker had moved to another state, i forget which. He installed cameras all around his house and one morning captured a woman neighbour from the state setting him up. She hid outside his house and when he drove by her she called the cops and said he tried to run her over. Problem is, his cameras captured her getting into position and hiding, and she never even flinched when he went past in his car, she just calmly walked home.

So the cops arrive at her house, believe everything she says, her friend lies for her and says she witnessed it but there's another problem, the camera shows her friend arrive a few minutes after the incident so she was also telling lies. When the cops were questioning him they said "You might do things like this in New York but we don't act like that up here".

BINGO! Proof that being suspicious of somebody who's on the other side of the line your government draws as a border is basic human behaviour.


Your convoluted description of one idiot on some video that you can't even post? Yep, that's proof alright. You win. :rolleyes:


I've traveled all over this country and whenever folks find out I'm from NYC (they can usually tell from my accent), they've been nothing but nice. I've been bought quite a few beers and been asked questions that range from interesting to silly, but have never been harassed or discriminated against anywhere in the US.

[Mojoe77]

This country didn't want war with Iraq.

So you're saying that no one in the United Kingdom wanted to go to war with Iraq? Are you speaking for everyone in the United Kingdom? It's hard to believe that EVERY citizen in England doesn't want or agree with the war.

Regarding the topic - it doesn't surprise me that a European nation hates the United States and I can understand how a lot of people hate the US right now because of the horrible foreign policy, BUT even if the United States wasn't in Iraq right now, people would find something else about the US to complain about. Hey, I get it, people hate the BIG MAN.

[j.elohim]

its like Tibets history began in 1913

Could be because Tibet as it is now declared independence in 1911 :squint:

[Daucus Karota]

Yes, barbarism at its worst

The Tibetans were aware of the expedition. To avoid bloodshed the Tibetan general at Yetung pledged that if the Tibetans make no attack upon the British, no attack should be made by the British on them. Colonel Younghusband on December 6, 1903 replied that “we are not at war with Tibet and that, unless we are ourselves attacked, we shall not attack the Tibetans.” [39]

Despite the mutual agreement, the British expedition did take the lives of a few thousand unprepared Tibetan soldiers and civilians. The biggest massacre took place on March 31, 1904 at a mountain pass halfway to Gyantse near a village called Guru. Colonel Younghusband tricked the 2,000 Tibetan soldiers guarding the pass into extinguishing the burning ropes of their basic rifles before firing at them with the Maxim machine guns and rifles. The Tibetan casualty, according to Younghusband’s account, was “500 killed and wounded.” [40] Others have claimed that the Tibetan casualty was as high as 1,300.

According to the British, their intention was to disarm Tibetan soldiers who were being surrounded. The slaughter was triggered by the Tibetans who fired the first shot. [41] But the accounts of those who pulled the triggers make it clear that the British had the intention of killing as many as possible. “From three sides at once a withering volley of magazine fire crashed into the crowded mass of Tibetans,” wrote Perceval Landon. “Under the appalling punishment of lead, they [the Tibetans] staggered, failed and ran…Men dropped at every yard.” [42]

The British soldiers mowed down the Tibetans with machine guns as they fled. “I got so sick of the slaughter that I ceased fire, though the general’s order was to make as big a bag as possible,” wrote Lieutenant Arthur Hadow, commander of the Maxim guns detachment. “I hope I shall never again have to shoot down men walking away.” [42]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet

oh fuck off and go cry some moar

The Brits also massacred Indians, Boers, Africans and Irish!

'The strong do what they can; the weak endure what they must'

[Face Plant]

Could be because Tibet as it is now declared independence in 1911 :squint:

Yeah but why does the BBC gloss over British involvement. Could it be because its too fucking shameful and embarrassing

[BlueQuarter]

Thats why Mexicans and African Americans stink...
So the blind can hate them too.


I kidd I kidd!!

[j.elohim]

Yeah but why does the BBC gloss over British involvement. Could it be because its too fucking shameful and embarrassing

You are trying to make something out of nothing. There is nothing of interest in the omission of the Empire skullfucking some Tibetans before 1913. The Empire skullfucked a lot of people, we all know about it and the BBC in general makes us feel guilty about it, and in some cases, for good fucking reason. The BBC has no agenda whatsoever that would lead it to omit bad things from those histories so you can stop with that right away, because it is nonsense.

[Face Plant]

You are trying to make something out of nothing. There is nothing of interest in the omission of the Empire skullfucking some Tibetans before 1913. The Empire skullfucked a lot of people, we all know about it and the BBC in general makes us feel guilty about it, and in some cases, for good fucking reason. The BBC has no agenda whatsoever that would lead it to omit bad things from those histories so you can stop with that right away, because it is nonsense.

I was simply pointing out that the British press has got on its high horse when it comes to Tibet. While conveniently forgetting Britain's own shady involvement in Tibet. Am I wrong

[j.elohim]

I was simply pointing out that the British press has got on its high horse when it comes to Tibet. While conveniently forgetting Britain's own shady involvement in Tibet. Am I wrong

Your argument is daft. Is our press forever unable to comment because of what happened in the Empire? The press has nothing to answer for, they are commentators on world events, they can say whatever they like, regardless of the history of their nation. It would be hypocritical if the people who actually killed Tibetans came out and said China were bad for the same thing. I don't even know why you are trying to make this point. We treated black people like shit, does that mean we can't get on our high horse now about racism?

No one is forgetting our history, but what the fuck do you want? That we should have collective guilt and apologise profusely constantly?

[Face Plant]

Your argument is daft. Is our press forever unable to comment because of what happened in the Empire? The press has nothing to answer for, they are commentators on world events, they can say whatever they like, regardless of the history of their nation. It would be hypocritical if the people who actually killed Tibetans came out and said China were bad for the same thing. I don't even know why you are trying to make this point. We treated black people like shit, does that mean we can't get on our high horse now about racism?

No one is forgetting our history, but what the fuck do you want? That we should have collective guilt and apologise profusely constantly?

The editorial commentary from most British newspapers is very moralizing. All I'm saying is, if you're going to take that tone you better own up to your history

You are taking this out of context. The reason I brought Tibet up was because Dayve complained Americans never take responsibility for anything while at the same time blaming the US for Britains involvement in Iraq, which I found ironic. Tibet is currently in the news so I brought that up as an example of how Britain often takes no responsibility either

[j.elohim]

The editorial commentary from most British newspapers is very moralizing. All I'm saying is, if you're going to take that tone you better own up to your history

I know what you are saying, but... they do, regularly.

You are taking this out of context. The reason I brought Tibet up was because Dayve complained Americans never take responsibility for anything while at the same time blaming the US for Britains involvement in Iraq, which I found ironic. Tibet is currently in the news so I brought that up as an example of how Britain often takes no responsibility either

I don't really see how my taking your overdecorating some insignificant fact is taking you out of context. You are the one who has tried to make this into something, I really could care less. It is obvious why you tried to make the point, but it is uninteresting precisely because "good/bad company" arguments always are.

[Dayve]

Your convoluted description of one idiot on some video that you can't even post? Yep, that's proof alright. You win. :rolleyes:


I've traveled all over this country and whenever folks find out I'm from NYC (they can usually tell from my accent), they've been nothing but nice. I've been bought quite a few beers and been asked questions that range from interesting to silly, but have never been harassed or discriminated against anywhere in the US.

Right, and i've seen Americans here in my humble little town and people have been nothing but nice. As i said earlier, there's an American guy doing the same course as me at my local community center and everybody in the class treats him exactly the same as they treat everybody else. There's also a man from Liverpool working there, a woman from Poland and a woman from Lithuania who runs the creche(sp) for the kids. Oh and a woman from the east of England who moved here when she married her husband.

All those different nationalities, the community center must be a fucking warzone right? No, it isn't. It's the most relaxing and enjoyable place i've ever spent time. Everybody is polite to everybody, nobody even gives second thought to the nationality of everybody, even though the accents are so different it's impossible not to notice it.

The point i was making is: IGNORANT MORONS ARE EVERYWHERE!

Yet here you are acting like every Englishman is intolerant, when it's just not true.

I'll say it again: The OP is here to cause trouble. You people call me a troll yet i have never made a thread like this. A thread that is so obviously here to do one thing, which is cause heated arguments.

Firstly, it isn't even a current event, it's old news. Secondly, nationality discrimination (especially against Americans) happens in every single nation on earth, yet he chose the UK and posted two cases from LONDON! As i've already explained, it can be expected. Londoners are the most arrogant and rude people in this green and pleasant land.

Personally i think the thread should be deleted. Blatant (succesful) attempt at trolling.

The reason I brought Tibet up was because Dayve complained Americans never take responsibility for anything while at the same time blaming the US for Britains involvement in Iraq, which I found ironic.

I've never denied that the British empire was 'bad'. An empire in itself is an attrocity all of its own. Problem is, i'm 19 years old. The British empire was long dead long before i was even born in 1988. I have nothing to apologize for. I didn't massacre those Tibetans. Neither did the protestors who are for freeing Tibet. They have nothing to apologize for either.

I don't see why i should even be associated with the crimes of my nation 100 years before i was even born just because my nationality is the same.

So bringing up Tibet in reference to the topic in this thread was absolutely pointless and a silly attempt to shift the conversation away from America so you could try to pin some blame on me for something my country did 100 years ago.

If you really wanna go there i'll bring up the massacre of the native Americans and the napalm dropped on villages full of civilians in Vietnam. Oh and the MY Lai massacre, lets bring that shit up. I blame you for it, you personally, even though you had no part in it.

Don't like that? Tough, you just did it to me.

[Face Plant]

I know what you are saying, but... they do, regularly.

Do they though

Since these Tibet protests have begun can you find me a UK news source that mentions past British involvement in Tibet?

[Dayve]

Do they though

Since these Tibet protests have begun can you find me a UK news source that mentions past British involvement in Tibet?

THEY DON'T NEED TO MENTION IT! IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CURRENT SITUATION!

What do you want the news to say? "The olympic flame was today attacked by protestors attempting to extinguish it. On that note, the British empire massacred 500 or so Tibetans 100 years ago. I'm Joe Bloggs, reporting live from China".

[j.elohim]

Do they though

Since these Tibet protests have begun can you find me a UK news source that mentions past British involvement in Tibet?

Completely uninteresting aside. If you want to waste your time trawling through every news source you are welcome to it. I don't need to, nor am I inclined to waste my time to prove a point I know to be true. The British press is very critical of our past involvement in various places around the world, Tibet will be no different.

[Face Plant]

THEY DON'T NEED TO MENTION IT! IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CURRENT SITUATION!

What do you want the news to say? "The olympic flame was today attacked by protestors attempting to extinguish it. On that note, the British empire massacred 500 or so Tibetans 100 years ago. I'm Joe Bloggs, reporting live from China".

I meant the editorial commentary, not the straight news. But if you want to take a high hat moralizing attitude in the editorial commentaries you better own up to your own past in that country. It was less than 50 years apart between the British invasion of Tibet and the Chinese invasion

[Dayve]

I meant the editorial commentary, not the straight news. But if you want to take a high hat moralizing attitude in the editorial commentaries you better own up to your own past in that country. It was less than 50 years apart between the British invasion of Tibet and the Chinese invasion

As i said, i've never been to Tibet and i've never ordered any soldiers to massacre Tibetans. I don't need to own up to my own past in Tibet because i have no past in Tibet.

I'll agree that the British Empire did some shit in Tibet... some shit i don't approve of, but i was neither a part of the British empire nor a supporter of it, so i don't have to "Own up" to anything at all.

[Face Plant]

As i said, i've never been to Tibet and i've never ordered any soldiers to massacre Tibetans. I don't need to own up to my own past in Tibet because i have no past in Tibet.

I'll agree that the British Empire did some shit in Tibet... some shit i don't approve of, but i was neither a part of the British empire nor a supporter of it, so i don't have to "Own up" to anything at all.

But didn't you say "a lot of Americans have a massive problem accepting the fact that their country is to blame for anything, ever in the history of the nation."

[Inquisitor]

I'll say it again: The OP is here to cause trouble. You people call me a troll yet i have never made a thread like this. A thread that is so obviously here to do one thing, which is cause heated arguments.

And again, you have no reason whatsoever to assume that this is my intention. Particularly when I had already very clearly explained my reasoning behind this topic. It has nothing to do with inciting conflict between Americans and the English, though if anyone is responsible for as much, good friend, it is you.

Though I might add you've done a wonderful job at making a complete and utter ass of yourself.

[322]

Are you seriously saying Americans would get a warmer reception in Manchester or Sheffield?

Yeah!

Or Halifax, or Tokyo or Cape Town, or Seattle!

[Dayve]

But didn't you say "a lot of Americans have a massive problem accepting the fact that their country is to blame for anything, ever in the history of the nation."

Yup, and you proved me right. I mentioned several attrocities committed by the USA a few posts back and you ignored the post.

And again, you have no reason whatsoever to assume that this is my intention.

This thread is my reason. Bringing up something that is not a current event, which was two American women suffering discrimination in Britain several months ago, is my reason. Inciting hatred amongst American members of the forum, against English mebers of the forum, is my reason.

Particularly when I had already very clearly explained my reasoning behind this topic.

I don't believe your reasoning. Pure and simple.

It has nothing to do with inciting conflict between Americans and the English

The first two posts after yours were from Americans calling for a lynch mob against England and throwing insults out left and right to an entire nation because of the actions of a few Londoners, who i have said so many times in this thread are the most arrogant and rude people in Britain, and discriminate against everybody, including other British people, especially British people from the north who they hate without good reason.

though if anyone is responsible for as much, good friend, it is you.

Haven't read any of my posts have you, just like Face Plant.

Though I might add you've done a wonderful job at making a complete and utter ass of yourself.

And i might add you've done a wonderful job at causing the arguments you wanted to cause and inciting the hatred you wanted to incite.

[ric]

Dave's constant Anti Americanism rhetoric reveals one thing....Envy

Before America came around, you guys pretty much ruled the fucking world. 1000's of years of history and practically conquering 80% of the planet and now, you don't have jackshit....

You are simply envious of American success. PERIOD

[Dayve]

Dave's constant Anti Americanism rhetoric reveals one thing....Envy

Before America came around, you guys pretty much ruled the fucking world. 1000's of years of history and practically conquering 80% of the planet and now, you don't have jackshit....

You are simply envious of American success. PERIOD

You really are an idiot. You've not been here long and i'm already beginning to develope a severe dislike for you.

ALLOW ME TO QUOTE MYSELF SINCE YOU'RE TOO FUCKING LAZY TO READ MY POSTS:-

i was neither a part of the British empire nor a supporter of it

An empire itself is an attrocity all of its own.

Insult me one more time without even bothering to read what i have to say and you'll be the first person on the forum i put on ignore.

[ric]

Insult me one more time without even bothering to read what i have to say and you'll be the first person on the forum i put on ignore.

Aww poor baby, I touched a nerve. If you cant take the heat get the fuck out of the kitchen, you little whiner!

[Face Plant]

Yup, and you proved me right. I mentioned several attrocities committed by the USA a few posts back and you ignored the post.


Haven't read any of my posts have you, just like Face Plant.

You obviously have not read my posts because I stated earlier that I am Canadian, thats why I ignored them

Although my mother is American and I'm entitled to American citizenship, I have never been an American. I'm Canadian and I fully admit that the land I live on was gained by raping the red man

I further admit that many of my family have done foul deeds in the name of the British Empire

[Dayve]

You obviously have not read my posts because I stated earlier that I am Canadian, thats why I ignored them

Although my mother is American and I'm entitled to American citizenship, I have never been an American. I'm Canadian and I fully admit that the land I live on was gained by raping the red man

I further admit that many of my family have done foul deeds in the name of the British Empire

Well, mine haven't. Using your logic that makes you more responsible for the Tibet 'massacre' than i am, and you're not even English. :lmao:

[Face Plant]

Well, mine haven't. Using your logic that makes you more responsible for the Tibet 'massacre' than i am, and you're not even English. :lmao:

Yeah well it was the colonials who did all the dirty work right. While the people who stayed behind pretended not to know what redcoat stormtroopers were up to around the globe.

[Dayve]

Yeah well it was the colonials who did all the dirty work right. While the people who stayed behind pretended not to know what redcoat stormtroopers were up to around the globe.

They did that dirty work for good money and good land. They chose to do it knowing full well that it was a crime but they did it anyway to satisfy their greed. They were scum and so were the people back in England giving the orders and living like kings while the people they conquered were being murdered and used as slaves.

[Face Plant]

They did that dirty work for good money and good land. They chose to do it knowing full well that it was a crime but they did it anyway to satisfy their greed. They were scum and so were the people back in England giving the orders and living like kings while the people they conquered were being murdered and used as slaves.

Colonialism enriched every white citizen of the Empire, including the working classes back home. If it wasn't for the resources taken from the conquered lands the British industrial revolution would never have happened the way it did. London wouldn't have become the banking capital of the world.

[TheMadBlogger]

Bah Britians are pissed because they got fucked up teeth and a queen for a boss.

They might say we are pissed because most of us are obese and may have a female for a president...

[Inquisitor]

This thread is my reason. Bringing up something that is not a current event, which was two American women suffering discrimination in Britain several months ago, is my reason. Inciting hatred amongst American members of the forum, against English mebers of the forum, is my reason.

I say again, if it was my intention, I'd be more than happy to say it was so.

On the contrary, this is very much a "current event". It is certain that the story itself is two years old, but this particular incident is, as I implied previously, unimportant. It is the underlying message and conflict that is important; the dangers of liberal immigration policies, which extends far beyond the Muslim world and into the direction of immigrants of any stock.

Your reason is fallacious, and relies on a faulty interpretation of my own intentions with this discussion. Intentions that I have very explicitly explained, and intentions that you obviously continue to ignore. I can only surmise that after making a total buffoon of yourself in this discussion, you have only to resort to attempting to paint my intentions incorrectly to make your buffoonery less apparent. Or have I missed the mark?

I don't believe your reasoning. Pure and simple.

And on what grounds? Have I ever lied previously? Have I any reason to lie about my intentions? Have I any reputation of quelling the fires of conflict between peoples to preserve here on the forum? No on all counts. You're simply being bullheaded.

The first two posts after yours were from Americans calling for a lynch mob against England and throwing insults out left and right to an entire nation because of the actions of a few Londoners, who i have said so many times in this thread are the most arrogant and rude people in Britain, and discriminate against everybody, including other British people, especially British people from the north who they hate without good reason.

I'm more than happy knowing that people will draw their own conclusions from the stories that can be found in my posts, and find whatever meaning in them that they will. Such is the nature of discourse. I'm even more than happy knowing that people will interpret my intentions as they will. What you have done, however, is to continue to accuse me of having intentions that I simply do not have even after having explained myself more than sufficiently. That's slander. And unfounded slander, to boot.

Haven't read any of my posts have you, just like Face Plant.

Sure I have, and so have no shortage of American members who, evidently, have taken great offense to your words. So who's really inciting that conflict, here?

[Dayve]

Sure I have, and so have no shortage of American members who, evidently, have taken great offense to your words. So who's really inciting that conflict, here?

Yet all of them have ignored my posts about discriminating against foreigners or 'outsiders' being unavoidable human nature. All have ignored my posts about Londoners being the most arrogant and rude people on the island. All have ignored my posts about the Americans i've met in my town here not suffering any discrimination whatsoever.

Ignored all that shit and still chosen to believe that all 60 million British citizens are anti-American, even though i've pointed out that they're not. And lets face it, i'd know more than you people on the subject because i'm English.

If you want to speak of anti-Americanism, take a look at a nation that IS anti-American, such as middle-eastern nations, where people are flocking to Iraq and Afghanistan to kill Americans, and are willing to die to kill just 1 American. I don't recall any of the 9/11 hijackers being British. Were any of the 9/11 hijackers British? No.

There are people in Britain who hate Americans, just like there are people in America who hate the British. On the whole, Britain isn't anti-American, and there was absolutely no point in you posting two cases of anti-Americanism in Britain.

Would i be right in finding two cases of anti-Britonism in America and posting them, saying that the USA is anti-British? No i wouldn't, because it wouldn't be true, so why did you feel the need to do it?

Because you wanted to cause an argument.

[ThoughtCriminal]

Yet all of them have ignored my posts about discriminating against foreigners or 'outsiders' being unavoidable human nature. All have ignored my posts about Londoners being the most arrogant and rude people on the island. All have ignored my posts about the Americans i've met in my town here not suffering any discrimination whatsoever.

Ignored all that shit and still chosen to believe that all 60 million British citizens are anti-American, even though i've pointed out that they're not. And lets face it, i'd know more than you people on the subject because i'm English.

If you want to speak of anti-Americanism, take a look at a nation that IS anti-American, such as middle-eastern nations, where people are flocking to Iraq and Afghanistan to kill Americans, and are willing to die to kill just 1 American. I don't recall any of the 9/11 hijackers being British. Were any of the 9/11 hijackers British? No.

There are people in Britain who hate Americans, just like there are people in America who hate the British. On the whole, Britain isn't anti-American, and there was absolutely no point in you posting two cases of anti-Americanism in Britain.

Would i be right in finding two cases of anti-Britonism in America and posting them, saying that the USA is anti-British? No i wouldn't, because it wouldn't be true, so why did you feel the need to do it?

Because you wanted to cause an argument.


What is your problem? Are you PRO censorship or something? So you're not supposed to post something if it could cause conflict, argument, or the possibility of fueling stereotypes? So if it's a "sensitive" topic stay away from it? GTFO
What's the difference between Inquisitor posting something like his article, and you posting Anti-theist articles with the sole purpose of starting drawn out arguments and conflict between atheist and religious members here?
You're a hypocrite, and ten times the instigator you're accusing him of being.

[WolfVonNiflheim]

Man, talk about blowing things out of proportion :rolleyes:

The posted article seems to suggest that American citizens in Britain are about to be hunted down and killed. I think there are plenty of examples why this is not the case. To name one: I recently met a couple that was about to get married, guess what: American-English.

In regard to the existence of anti-american sentiments in Europe, those are directed towards the foreign policies and the general attitude of the current government. And yes, I know a large majority of Americans does not agree with said policies and attitude.

The thing is, you'll always have idiots who think it's a good thing to take policy issues up with individuals and discriminate them because of it. This is of course ridiculous.

@some of the posters who mentioned encounters with Europeans, relating to cowboy hats and singing country songs. Man, I wonder what kind of idiots you met. Yeah, we only know an american as a cliché stereotype :rolleyes:

[Dayve]

What is your problem? Are you PRO censorship or something? So you're not supposed to post something if it could cause conflict, argument, or the possibility of fueling stereotypes? So if it's a "sensitive" topic stay away from it? GTFO
What's the difference between Inquisitor posting something like his article, and you posting Anti-theist articles with the sole purpose of starting drawn out arguments and conflict between atheist and religious members here?
You're a hypocrite, and ten times the instigator you're accusing him of being.

Firstly, i've never posted an anti-theist article, ever.

Secondly, this is the current events section. What he posted was not a current event. As i've said 6 or 7 times now, anti-Americanism exists all around the world in every single nation that exists, including your own. It exists to a higher degree in nations other than the UK, such as the middle-east where residents of other nations are flocking to Iraq for the chance to kill Americans, so posting two sob-stories from the UK was completely pointless and a blatant and successful attempt at trolling, regardless of what he says his real motives were.

Thirdly, anti-whatever nationality you are exists for everybody. There are Americans who hate the English, for example, and i've actually found 4 or 5 examples of Britons being abused in the USA solely for their nationality which i haven't bothered to post because i know that there are people who hate people based solely on their nationality in every country around the world, no matter what nationality you are it always feels like racism.

I'd imagine this is one of the reasons people hate Americans so much. The OP is a prime example... He took something that happens to everybody, found two examples of it happening to Americans and then made out like Americans are the only people on earth who suffer hatred based on their nationality.

I hate to break it to you, but there are other countries in the world than the USA. Hundreds of them. As much as you would like the believe the USA is the only nation on earth, it isn't.

[Inquisitor]

Yet all of them have ignored my posts about discriminating against foreigners or 'outsiders' being unavoidable human nature. All have ignored my posts about Londoners being the most arrogant and rude people on the island. All have ignored my posts about the Americans i've met in my town here not suffering any discrimination whatsoever.

Ignored all that shit and still chosen to believe that all 60 million British citizens are anti-American, even though i've pointed out that they're not. And lets face it, i'd know more than you people on the subject because i'm English.

I can only approach what you say incredulously after having witness innumerable posts of you going back and forth with members who have obviously found something in your statements to be angry about. Whether you're right or wrong in stating that they have ignored your posts, the fact of the matter is that you have done far more in the way to fueling this "fire" than I have. Thus, your mouthful of accusations about me being a provocateur and an inciter of conflicts between Americans and Englishmen not only applies more to yourself than it does to me, but is a shining example of hypocrisy.

There are people in Britain who hate Americans, just like there are people in America who hate the British. On the whole, Britain isn't anti-American, and there was absolutely no point in you posting two cases of anti-Americanism in Britain.

Wrong again. I have explained "the point" several times now and, as I have reiterated time and time again, this particular incident isn't important in comparison to the greater message it conveys. It is you who has ignored this and yet have the audacity to whine about other people ignoring your posts.

Would i be right in finding two cases of anti-Britonism in America and posting them, saying that the USA is anti-British? No i wouldn't, because it wouldn't be true, so why did you feel the need to do it?

Of course not, but I have never stated that was my purpose in this discussion. It is you who continue to accuse me of having these intentions, despite being without any legitimate reason, and despite having already been given a thorough explanation of my actual purpose. Refer to my post on page two, which very explicitly explains my intention.

How many times must I say this?

[ric]

I hate to break it to you, but there are other countries in the world than the USA. Hundreds of them. As much as you would like the believe the USA is the only nation on earth, it isn't.

Printing such drivel is one thing, but believing it is another...You would be speaking German if it wasn't for the USA. Hell, the rest of the world wouldn't exist were it not for the Americans

I hate to break it to you, but that's reality. Get over it

[WolfVonNiflheim]

Printing such drivel is one thing, but believing it is another...You would be speaking German if it wasn't for the USA. Hell, the rest of the world wouldn't exist were it not for the Americans


No No NO. I was waiting for a post like this, but hoped it wouldn't come to this.

1) I speak German all the time, who cares it's just another language. I'm more worried about politics...

2) "Hell, the rest of the world wouldn't exist were it not for the Americans". What kind of uninformed, incredibly stupid claim is this? It is exactly this kind of superiority claims by people like you that give a bad reputation to other informed, rational Americans. In posting what you just posted you are in fact enhancing anti-american sentiments. WWII ended decades ago, get over yourself.

[Dayve]

the rest of the world wouldn't exist were it not for the Americans.

I'm utterly dumbfounded at this statement. I really am utterly fucking dumbfounded. I'm so completely mind-boggled at the level of retardedness coming from this mans keyboard that i don't even know what to say, so i guess i'm done with this thread.

gg.

[_jax]

if this is a matter of immigration, then i have to wonder what you propose as the solution. since this was an american who moved to london are you saying to cut off immigration between america and england?

[warrior]

Printing such drivel is one thing, but believing it is another...You would be speaking German if it wasn't for the USA. Hell, the rest of the world wouldn't exist were it not for the Americans

I hate to break it to you, but that's reality. Get over it

Lol you retarded inbred. :dunce:

[ric]

I'm utterly dumbfounded at this statement. I really am utterly fucking dumbfounded. I'm so completely mind-boggled at the level of retardedness coming from this mans keyboard that i don't even know what to say, so i guess i'm done with this thread.

gg.

A cup of tea with some biscuits always makes the moment a bit more special, Davyie, so stop by sometime..

Your buddy, ric

[Awesome-o]

Dayve,

I don't always agree with you but you made quality posts in this thread. Just ignore ric, I do.

[_jax]

all he did in this thread was catch feelings. stop dick-riding.

[ric]

Not funny, but it struck home...http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-magazine/features/26310/not-funny-but-it-struck-home.thtml

" I know a couple of people who have recently left Britain and the reasons they gave were very simple: we’re being flooded with immigrants, it’s madness, it is not our country any more. Sometimes these views are preceded by the more polite, ‘We don’t like the way the country has changed’, and that they merely wish for a better life. There will then be a quick rundown of just how things have changed — too crowded, don’t want the kids brought up in schools where the majority language is Urdu, don’t want to be blown up on the Tube, etc."

Socialism has made Europe weak and I believe the massive Islamic invasion and demographics will be the death ring of Western Europe. Kinda like that eerie sound of a bell rung real slow to announce a death...

[Jenovah]

Not funny, but it struck home...http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-magazine/features/26310/not-funny-but-it-struck-home.thtml

" I know a couple of people who have recently left Britain and the reasons they gave were very simple: we’re being flooded with immigrants, it’s madness, it is not our country any more. Sometimes these views are preceded by the more polite, ‘We don’t like the way the country has changed’, and that they merely wish for a better life. There will then be a quick rundown of just how things have changed — too crowded, don’t want the kids brought up in schools where the majority language is Urdu, don’t want to be blown up on the Tube, etc."

Socialism has made Europe weak and I believe the massive Islamic invasion and demographics will be the death ring of Western Europe. Kinda like that eerie sound of a bell rung real slow to announce a death...

Yeah, because all problems can be credited to "eeevil socialism"! :ohnoes:

[Silverback]

I could get through all the post but I do feel that she was attacked by one of the few. You can't bitch about one or two and then blame the whole. Remember, yes Britain is in this war with us but thier citizens are not as represented as we are. Hell as far as that goes you will hear many of the U.S. say they don't want in the war. It is the Administration that decides on the war they just sell it to us. That goes for them and us. I have been to more than enough countries and have been treated great by some and rude by others but in no way do I judge the whole country by the rude ass people I meet their. Remeber we are a guest when we are in another ones land. Suck it.

[Jenovah]

Printing such drivel is one thing, but believing it is another...You would be speaking German if it wasn't for the USA. Hell, the rest of the world wouldn't exist were it not for the Americans.

Wow...

Words cannot describe how I feel right now, this just boggles my mind..

Also, the "You would be speaking German" is uninformed and chewed out to no end, and just because you've helped us (immensely I might add, don't get me wrong) we're supposed to be supporting your every move?

Please note, I'm not really anti-US by any means, I just hate it when people use chewed out quotes like that to get some vague sense of superiority.

[Henkie]

Firstly, we'd more likely be speaking Russian (which is a much cooler language than German) and secondly, without European intervention, the US wouldn't exist and you'd all be speaking... well, European languages, but you'd be doing it in Europe, is my point. So I'll be generous and call it even: you helping out in the world wars, and us for getting you people to America in the first place.

Also, I'd like to point out that it's funny that a thread that started with an American being discrimated against by English people, ends up with people blaiming Muslim immigrants (what the hell for is still unclear to me).

And thirdly, nobody can change the country they were born in, harrasing people over that is senseless. Essentially, she should be praised for recognising Europe as the better place to live. :boink:

[BlueMind]

I've travelled through Scotland, England and Wales by way of train and car last winter. People clearly knew I was American from my accent, and they were never rude. Except for this one French bakery I went to in London where the guy was really mad about telling me what the pastry was made of, but that is to be expected. "Iht ihs cohcanuh!"

[Sander]

Printing such drivel is one thing, but believing it is another...You would be speaking German if it wasn't for the USA. Hell, the rest of the world wouldn't exist were it not for the Americans

I hate to break it to you, but that's reality. Get over it

What..The..Fuck. You do realise the first settlers (apart from the red indians) were the english, heard of the MayFlower?. Without us you'd still be running around with feathers in your hair BIACH.

[ric]

What..The..Fuck. You do realise the first settlers (apart from the red indians) were the english, heard of the MayFlower?. Without us you'd still be running around with feathers in your hair BIACH.

Brit, before your Muslim Witch Dentist extracts your last 3 teeth from your mouth, lsten up and listen good...

For all our faults...Yes, I admit we have our faults, but we have done what no other fucking nation has; we have tried to spread FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY to other countries and not necessarily for our own self-interests.

Your hatred is tinged with a bit of jealousy/envy. Britain WAS WAS WAS, but NO longer IS.

I can only think that this animosity towards America is based on jealousy/envy because for the life of me, I cannot come up with no other explanation

[Raptor_Jesus]

If we're so jealous of you lot, stop speaking our language.

Let me demostrate:

Spanish = Spain
Danish = Denmark
Dutch = Netherlands
Portuguese = Portugal
English = England (United Kingdom)

Yeah, we're so jealous of people like you, Dubya and Miss South Carolina. Hahaha, you're pathetic.

Another thing, you shouldn't even worry about Muslims in Europe... because there isn't any problem with them. I should rather say that you should worry about your own problem, the mexicans. And who do you think you are? I bet you've never been out of your own country, let alone own a passport.

[_jax]

stop all this america vs england bullshit. this aint 1708, its 2008. get with the times. england aint our enemies so quit throwing pot shots their way.

it all comes down to, when you go to someone else's territory, adapt their ways or get dealt with.

[Dayve]

stop all this america vs england bullshit. this aint 1708, its 2008. get with the times. england aint our enemies so quit throwing pot shots their way.

it all comes down to, when you go to someone else's territory, adapt their ways or get dealt with.

Ric is very insecure about his nation. He feels the need to compare it to every other, even one that is 1/1000000000000th of its size.

Makes me giggle to be honest.

[Mojoe77]

Ric is very insecure about his nation. He feels the need to compare it to every other, even one that is 1/1000000000000th of its size.

Makes me giggle to be honest.

Your lack of "sources" make me giggle.

:lmao:

Back on topic:

How do we know that the British aren't treated as bad in the US? What about other nationalities that are subject to hate crimes?

[Dayve]

Your lack of "sources" make me giggle.

:lmao:

Back on topic:

How do we know that the British aren't treated as bad in the US? What about other nationalities that are subject to hate crimes?

I posted this several pages back.

[WolfVonNiflheim]

I can only think that this animosity towards America is based on jealousy/envy because for the life of me, I cannot come up with no other explanation

Oh yeah, I cry in envy every night that I'm not living in the glorious country that is the US of A. You exposed me, I always wanted to live in America but I'm too uncivilized to be let in (since I'm a European driving a horse and cart to work). That's why we Europeans try to create an atmosphere of hate and animosity towards the US, to cover up how crappy it is here.

Get back in your trailer Skeeter....

[Jenovah]

For all our faults...Yes, I admit we have our faults, but we have done what no other fucking nation has; we have tried to spread FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY to other countries and not necessarily for our own self-interest.

That's exactly what the romans said when they were "romanizing" adjacent peoples, and where exactly are the romans now?

The current administration is only interested in spreading FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY if they can gain something from it either politically or economically. (I'm not really putting the blame on the US for this seeing as though this has been the way of almost every major empire in civilization, but when you're saying that the US is a benevolent superstate then you are just lying to yourself, pure and simple.)

[WolfVonNiflheim]

That's exactly what the romans said when they were "romanizing" adjacent peoples, and where exactly are the romans now?

The current administration is only interested in spreading FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY if they can gain something from it either politically or economically. (I'm not really putting the blame on the US for this seeing as though this has been the way of almost every major empire in civilization, but when you're saying that the US is a benovolent superstate then you are just lying to yourself, pure and simple.)

Pax Americana :)

[PabloHoney]

Humans are like this everywhere this time it was just Londoners/American could've been anyone in any place round the world. Don't bring all this history and shit into it we are each responsible for own actions no one else's And hopefully some of you will look back on what you write and feel like cocks because you're pretty going "Don't insult us you british cunts". :blahblah: :blahblah: