MTV "Thinks" America is the new Nazi Germany

[American Infidel]

Do you buy this?

http://wjno.blogspot.com/2008/04/mtvs-offensive-holocaust-spots.html

Liberals absolutely kill me. It's disgusting that MTV uses allusions of WWII Nazi genocide, to make some inept anti-American political point, knowing that the their audience is primarily influential children.

Geez...when I was growing up, I was taught to admire my elders and respect authority. Today, we're teaching our kids to hate authority and possibly react in violence toward the police and teachers.

Good job, Harry Reid and company.

[Jay-Z]

Respect authority? Sure. Blindly accept it? Nah.

[Spike Lee]

There is nothing wrong with that ad. It's saying that the Holocaust happened to everyday people. It mentions nothing about policy or our leaders.

[Papero]

I hate MTV for this type of shit, it's already started. Kids support and protest things they don't understand at all, you ask them WHY and they'll give an incredibly generic response.

[/Tilt/]

Admiring elders because they are old is wrong. So is respecting people because they have more power than you. It is irresponsible to not question authority. MTV is basically saying "keep an eye out for shit like this." They aren't endorsing any sort of rebellion or even any kind of violent resistence. While their references to the Holocaust may strike a nerve or two with some people, the reference is relevent to their point.

[pimf]

Maybe it has something to do with the Bush family working with the oldest American Investment bank, Brown Brothers Harriman, to be Hitler's American money launderer.

[Papero]

Admiring elders because they are old is wrong. So is respecting people because they have more power than you. It is irresponsible to not question authority. MTV is basically saying "keep an eye out for shit like this." They aren't endorsing any sort of rebellion or even any kind of violent resistence. While their references to the Holocaust may strike a nerve or two with some people, the reference is relevent to their point.

You think kids understand the meaning?

No, they see it as "I'm going to piss on authority and disrespect every elderly person I can"

[Spike Lee]

Maybe it has something to do with the Bush family working with the oldest American Investment bank, Brown Brothers Harriman, to be Hitler's American money launderer.

It doesn't have to do with that.

And to Papero, yes, kids will get it. Oh wait, kids shouldn't be watching MTV. It's a teenager channel.

[/Tilt/]

You think kids understand the meaning?

No, they see it as "I'm going to piss on authority and disrespect every elderly person I can"
It's actually a simple message. If A happens, it could become B. On top of that, there is nothing in these ads that says "piss on authority and disrespect every elderly person you can." While kids these days may have poor taste in music and television, they really aren't as stupid as to skew something so drastically that it takes on a whole other meaning.

[ric]

Good job, Harry Reid and company.

Send Reid's sorry ass rear end to the Iran, so the Islamofacists can show him what Nazi Germany was really all about! What a useless pile of shit that individual is

[American Infidel]

There is nothing wrong with that ad. It's saying that the Holocaust happened to everyday people. It mentions nothing about policy or our leaders.

School shootings and the hatred of our youngsters for authority and there's nothing wrong with it?

When I was a kid, we actually feared our teachers. We did wrong and we were punished by our teachers and then punished by our parents.

Today, our kids are punished by vacation. Kids get into a fight and they're disciplined by suspension.

Maybe a few days of MTV and video games will teach them a lesson...

[PartyTaco]

....I was taught to admire my elders and respect authority.

Have you ever questioned what you were raised to think?
School shootings and the hatred of our youngsters for authority and there's nothing wrong with it?

When I was a kid, we actually feared our teachers. We did wrong and we were punished by our teachers and then punished by our parents.

Today, our kids are punished by vacation. Kids get into a fight and they're disciplined by suspension.

Maybe a few days of MTV and video games will teach them a lesson...

Punishment has been proven to be less effective than positive reinforcement.

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Damn man, you're such a tool to everyone else. When will you think for yourself instead of absorbing everyone else's ideals and opinions?

[Nocturnal]

We hear enough about apathy in our youth. People who aren't aware of their own society allow things like the holcaust to happen. I don't see anything inherently political there, unless your politics lead you to believe that a Autocratic regime is desirable.

That video is a pretty good rorschach test.

You think kids understand the meaning?

No, they see it as "I'm going to piss on authority and disrespect every elderly person I can"

Was it so long ago that you were a kid? (no idea of your age) When I was younger there were plenty of stupid kids, and plenty of normal or above average intellects that may not have seen the big picture yet. The imagery in the video is there for a reason, on the hope that it will make the kiddies get it.

Freedom isn't free after all. The price is eternal vigilance against external and internal foes.

[Spike Lee]

School shootings and the hatred of our youngsters for authority and there's nothing wrong with it?

When I was a kid, we actually feared our teachers. We did wrong and we were punished by our teachers and then punished by our parents.

Today, our kids are punished by vacation. Kids get into a fight and they're disciplined by suspension.

Maybe a few days of MTV and video games will teach them a lesson...

That is not what the ad teaches. It says watch out for things like this and think for yourself. I think we should respect people, but to blindly accept what they give us is not what I get out of respecting my elders. If it were, I'd vote McCain in an instant.

School shooting really have nothing to do with not respecting authority.

[_Joe]

Do you buy this?

http://wjno.blogspot.com/2008/04/mtvs-offensive-holocaust-spots.html

Liberals absolutely kill me. It's disgusting that MTV uses allusions of WWII Nazi genocide, to make some inept anti-American political point, knowing that the their audience is primarily influential children.

Geez...when I was growing up, I was taught to admire my elders and respect authority. Today, we're teaching our kids to hate authority and possibly react in violence toward the police and teachers.

Good job, Harry Reid and company.

One should be critical of authority at the same time, don't you agree?


That said, I don't see how this video is relevant at all, are they saying McCain could put us into concentration camps? I hate MTV....


Also, the holocaust happened to Jews, not people like me. haha, jk, jk

[Jenovah]

They're just using it do appeal to the "anti-establishment" demographic so they can sell more T-shirts, nothing to see here.

Also, American Infidel, what does this have to do with "evil liberals" if I may ask?

[American Infidel]

That is not what the ad teaches. It says watch out for things like this and think for yourself. I think we should respect people, but to blindly accept what they give us is not what I get out of respecting my elders. If it were, I'd vote McCain in an instant.

School shooting really have nothing to do with not respecting authority.

More than nearly any other free-thinker, here, I expected you to take notice of the MTV ad.

You really don't get it?

[chalupa]

I just like the connection between MTV and Harry Reid...like he is the one that produced those spots. Makes sense to me! :ahhh:

[Daucus Karota]

it should have come with a disclaimer:

If you are of Nordic or Germanic origin you need not worry!:lol:

[Mr. Heskey]

They're just pandering to the naive minds of 14 year old girls. It's been known for quite some time that MTV is the neo-nazi youth fascist cult of America. Any television station that broadcasts a show like 'My Supersweet Sixteen' doesn't deserve a lick of credibility.

[JesusTheJedi]

I'm sorry but I lol every time I see those commercials. They are just so over the top and ridiculous... It's hilarious shit.

[tonythetiger]

You think kids understand the meaning?

No, they see it as "I'm going to piss on authority and disrespect every elderly person I can"

Yep you're right. Everytime I opose the Iraq war I think "hmm, how can I piss on authority and disrespect the elderly(bush is older than me), in one way? :idea: thats right, I can opose a war that has cost over 4000 deaths just to overthrow a bad leader to replace him with another bad leader!"
I'm sorry but I lol every time I see those commercials. They are just so over the top and ridiculous... It's hilarious shit.

I thought so too, dumbest commercials since HEAD ON APPLY DIRECTLY TO THE FORHEAD! Comparing Nazi Germany to America is wrong; we don't kill people because of their religion.

[Papero]

Yep you're right. Everytime I opose the Iraq war I think "hmm, how can I piss on authority and disrespect the elderly(bush is older than me), in one way? :idea: thats right, I can opose a war that has cost over 4000 deaths just to overthrow a bad leader to replace him with another bad leader!"

Comparing Nazi Germany to America is wrong; we don't kill people because of their religion.

Yeah, because that's what I said, what in the hell are you talking about?

Is this thread about the Iraq war? I missed the memo.

[Fungus Amungus]

The holocaust didn't happen to everyday people. It was cause by everyday people then put on by the outcasts of the German society.

[tonythetiger]

You said all kids view these commercials as a way to go out and say "I'm going to piss on authority and disrespect every elderly person I can". In which I was replying that you were right, i'd like to piss on Bush and disrepect him at the same time.

[SmartPolitician]

''MTV'' and the category of "World History'' are like complete opposites.

Probably a bunch ''in-denial-uneducated-wanna-be-know-it-alls'' trying to be something ''special and dramatic'' by trying to install ''educational videos'' in dramatic-style.

:lmao:

[/Tilt/]

To anyone discrediting MTV for simply being MTV, why can't you just give them a chance? It isn't impossible for them to produce something politically productive. Hell, I'd listen to Rush Limbaugh (sp?) if he had a good idea.

[Chewy]

School shootings and the hatred of our youngsters for authority and there's nothing wrong with it?

When I was a kid, we actually feared our teachers. We did wrong and we were punished by our teachers and then punished by our parents.

Today, our kids are punished by vacation. Kids get into a fight and they're disciplined by suspension.

Maybe a few days of MTV and video games will teach them a lesson...

wow you sound like you have hiked your pants up to your nipple line began to walk with a shuffle... fact is AI we don't live in the same era, and as nostalgic as we would like to make it sound I can not say that era was any better.

As for the commercials partly I'm torn, on one hand we have a generation growing up rather insulated from the true horrors of history becuase of this they do not cherish the lavish freedoms that generations before our might have. If they are less likely to cherish them they might be less likely to protect them. That includes the 2nd Amendment. My guess is that is was a commercial from the NRA you would see it differently.

On the other hand I tend to support Godwin's law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law) thus as an argument it fails.

Either way I support Free Speech and while I may not agree with it on context of in whole I agree with the right of a company to post such a campaign.

[Nocturnal]

Do you know who else didn't like MTV?
;)

[pimf]

We may have surpassed Germany in some ways. Have a look at your Bill Of Rights Under President George W. Bush: A Timeline (http://undertheradarmedia.blogspot.com/2007/12/bill-of-rights-under-bush-timeline.html)

[I 0_0 I]

Geez...when I was growing up, I was taught to admire my elders and respect authority.

You forgot to mention that as a republican/conservative you were taught to be racist and were/still are ignorant about the rest of the world and authority/sanctity of others outside of the usa.

this has nothing to do with the thread. im just pointing out some probably truth.

[Spike Lee]

wow you sound like you have hiked your pants up to your nipple line began to walk with a shuffle... fact is AI we don't live in the same era, and as nostalgic as we would like to make it sound I can not say that era was any better.

As for the commercials partly I'm torn, on one hand we have a generation growing up rather insulated from the true horrors of history becuase of this they do not cherish the lavish freedoms that generations before our might have. If they are less likely to cherish them they might be less likely to protect them. That includes the 2nd Amendment. My guess is that is was a commercial from the NRA you would see it differently.

On the other hand I tend to support Godwin's law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law) thus as an argument it fails.

Either way I support Free Speech and while I may not agree with it on context of in whole I agree with the right of a company to post such a campaign.

The thing is, the ad does not say that our government is like that at all. It's merely saying it can happen to us and keep an eye out for it.

[pete4466]

I think the point of the video is to warn us; our government is becoming fascistic in that things like secret prisons (Guantanamo Bay- not under US jurisdiction) and the patriot act are stripping away our rights-- you can be thrown in jail without fair trial. Our president Bush likes to use scare tactics and terror threats on our own citizens (Iraq-WMDs- there were none, foreign and domestic terrorism) which was done commonly in nazi Germany in order to raise the feeling of nationalism and jingoism(we want to go to war really bad- 9/11). This shit is going on now in America and if it's not stopped, it may snowball out of control. <<That is the point of this video. It's not anti-American but anti-Bush administration, which promotes fascism. Just look up some Naomi Wolf on youtube and you'll understand better.
The Germans had no clue that Hitler was planning global takeover and the purging. He helped ease the German Depression and gave people jobs. Anyways, Hitler was a bad dude but the people couldn't see that. We may be in the same position.

Also, I don't like MTV.

[GALLIENVS AVG]

You forgot to mention that as a republican/conservative you were taught to be racist and were/still are ignorant about the rest of the world and authority/sanctity of others outside of the usa.

this has nothing to do with the thread. im just pointing out some probably truth.

I'm conservative myself, and let me just say that your malformed opinions are my problem with liberals. Nice stereotype.

In actuality, assuming you're very liberal, you probably support affirmative action. YOU are a racist.

[I 0_0 I]

I'm conservative myself, and let me just say that your malformed opinions are my problem with liberals. Nice stereotype.

In actuality, assuming you're very liberal, you probably support affirmative action. YOU are a racist.

no conservative i am neither. you are definitely ignorant of the world, thats for sure. You probably still think islam is an ethnicity. :ahhh:

[GALLIENVS AVG]

no conservative i am neither. you are definitely ignorant of the world, thats for sure. You probably still think islam is an ethnicity. :ahhh:

So... are you apathetic? Moderate? Libertarian?

You have no idea what you're talking about, and I'll have you know I'm rather well-versed in history. Don't go there.

I'll just assume you're some 12-year-old growing up in a world where you are taught that all Republicans are retarded bigots, yet you probably don't know anything about politics.

[I 0_0 I]

thats your problem, you simply are throwing random darts in the dark to find out what i believe in and then place your vaginal discharge cavity. calling me a pre teen won't solve your group's problems.

if you are infact the supergenius who is well versed in history and geography, maybe you can give your fellow conservatives a crash course in it? they may benefit from education.

[Chewy]

The thing is, the ad does not say that our government is like that at all. It's merely saying it can happen to us and keep an eye out for it.I agree its intent is engage viewers that they should not take their civil liberties lightly nor does it suggest any one particular government, country or even race is singled out. However it is very grandiose.

EDIT: and I 0_0 I and GALLIENVS AVG enough with the ad hominem arguments attack the position not the person.

[Dayve]

Do you buy this?

http://wjno.blogspot.com/2008/04/mtvs-offensive-holocaust-spots.html

Liberals absolutely kill me. It's disgusting that MTV uses allusions of WWII Nazi genocide, to make some inept anti-American political point, knowing that the their audience is primarily influential children.

Geez...when I was growing up, I was taught to admire my elders and respect authority. Today, we're teaching our kids to hate authority and possibly react in violence toward the police and teachers.

Good job, Harry Reid and company.

It's good to teach kids to question authority and not blidnly bend over to it even if something is unreasonable.

And lets be realistic... The US government has been shitting all over the freedom of Americans over the last 10 years. How far will they go? If nobody ever questions it, they'll go as far as they like.

[Stanky105]

School shootings and the hatred of our youngsters for authority and there's nothing wrong with it?

When I was a kid, we actually feared our teachers. We did wrong and we were punished by our teachers and then punished by our parents.

Today, our kids are punished by vacation. Kids get into a fight and they're disciplined by suspension.

Maybe a few days of MTV and video games will teach them a lesson...

Its definatly a balancing act. Back in high school, most of a teacher's time was spent trying to keep shitheads under control. Many kids would just roam the hallways screaming shit into other classrooms until teachers finally goaded them to go somewhere else. If a teacher dared tried to even pull the kid anywhere, the kid would threaten to sue etc, and in today's climate, I would not be surprised if they won. Most of my classes were spent staring bored at the wall as idiots talked over the teacher and interupted the class. I honestly would not have cared at all of those kids got whipped by a belt or paddled. Maybe that is just my own personal animosity talking, the parents are as much to blame as anything, after a certain age, the kid is truly lost.

I really wonder how much farther high school could have gone if the shitheads were simply kicked out of school and the classes went on un-interupted, twice the material could have been covered easily. Benefits of a private school, right here.

And at the same time, in my own personal views, authority needs to earn your respect just as much as anything else, nothing is beyond criticism. Power hungry cocky old people are just as prevelant as young rebels without a cause. The state of schools though shows I definatly would not have to worry about my second point anytime soon...

[Dayve]

Teachers often abused their authority and hit children for things they shouldn't have been hit for, like getting too many math problems wrong. That's one of the reasons why they lost the right to hit them.

When i was at school the only teachers who had problems with kids were assholes who treated/talked to us like shit. The teachers who cracked jokes and were polite were treated with respect. The teachers who said, as soon as the bell rang: "Right sit down and shut up, lesson is beginning" got shit from the students, including me, and rightly so too.

[baumy300]

Hey, come on...

Be honest now. Who wouldn't rather watch a propaganda video instead of one of the "wonderful" shows and music videos that MTV airs?

Besides, MTV is "cool" and "edgy." They need to keep up their limitless reputation, yo. It's cool to rebel. If you even spell your words that end in "S" with "Z's" you can relate to our stupid, obviously grammatically challenged youth.

With them butchering the English language and comparing us to a regime that killed over a million people, uz yung onez myght ryse upppp!!!!

[Stanky105]

Teachers often abused their authority and hit children for things they shouldn't have been hit for, like getting too many math problems wrong. That's one of the reasons why they lost the right to hit them.

Give any human being authority and power and he/she will abuse it. Any human being at all.

And yet a lack of authority and nothing gets done, aka my waste of taxpayer money high school. Authority is needed, as well as checks and balances on that authority. There has to be a key in balance.

[Nocturnal]

Hey, come on...

Be honest now. Who wouldn't rather watch a propaganda video instead of one of the "wonderful" shows and music videos that MTV airs?

Besides, MTV is "cool" and "edgy." They need to keep up their limitless reputation, yo. It's cool to rebel. If you even spell your words that end in "S" with "Z's" you can relate to our stupid, obviously grammatically challenged youth.

With them butchering the English language and comparing us to a regime that killed over a million people, uz yung onez myght ryse upppp!!!!

Hell yeah, I'd rather watch Karl Rove rapping than the shit on MTV.

My animosity for the people on those shows knows no bounds.

[Dayve]

Hey, come on...

Be honest now. Who wouldn't rather watch a propaganda video instead of one of the "wonderful" shows and music videos that MTV airs?

Besides, MTV is "cool" and "edgy." They need to keep up their limitless reputation, yo. It's cool to rebel. If you even spell your words that end in "S" with "Z's" you can relate to our stupid, obviously grammatically challenged youth.

With them butchering the English language and comparing us to a regime that killed over a million people, uz yung onez myght ryse upppp!!!!

About 40 million deaths all over Europe can be credited to the Nazi regime, not just 1.

But i agree. A lot of teenagers think rebellion is good for the wrong reason. That reason being because they think it's cool.

Instead of just airing a video comparing America to Nazi Germany (which is so fucking dumb it shouldn't even allowed to air) they should air commercials showing the facts, like the constitution being ignored, rights being revoked, etc.

[baumy300]

Hell yeah, I'd rather watch Karl Rove rapping than the shit on MTV.

My animosity for the people on those shows knows no bounds.
That makes two of us. I met a kid in college who had a speaking part in that show "Made." It was something about this guy who wanted to be a "ladies man" and when MTV asked my friend what he thought about the guy featured on the show, he said he was an ok guy and he would fair well with the ladies with a little guidance. MTV made him re-do it and say that the kid was a loser and other negative things, for pure entertainment purposes of course. MTV basically told the kids at that school what to say about this guy. He did it just so he'd be on TV. That's MTV's practice of treating everyone with love and equality in action, right?


About 40 million deaths all over Europe can be credited to the Nazi regime, not just 1.

But i agree. A lot of teenagers think rebellion is good for the wrong reason. That reason being because they think it's cool.

Instead of just airing a video comparing America to Nazi Germany (which is so fucking dumb it shouldn't even allowed to air) they should air commercials showing the facts, like the constitution being ignored, rights being revoked, etc.

Yeah, but that's too smart for MTV. They're always coming off to me as a big group of hippies with air time.

[Dayve]

Yeah hippies piss me off.

They'll stand around with a sign that says "STOP THE WAR!!!" all day long, but when you actually ask them why they want to stop the war they're stumped... There would be a lot less bullshit if everybody did a little research and formed their own reasons for supporting/opposing something, rather than just support/oppose it depending on which is 'cool' amongst other people in their age group.

[Bergs]

thats your problem, you simply are throwing random darts in the dark to find out what i believe in and then place your vaginal discharge cavity.

And thats different from what you did, how?

[Nocturnal]

About 40 million deaths all over Europe can be credited to the Nazi regime, not just 1.

But i agree. A lot of teenagers think rebellion is good for the wrong reason. That reason being because they think it's cool.

Instead of just airing a video comparing America to Nazi Germany (which is so fucking dumb it shouldn't even allowed to air) they should air commercials showing the facts, like the constitution being ignored, rights being revoked, etc.

Why is it neccessarliy America? Fiction is highly useful to instruct.

It's silly to say that ad compared America to Nazi Germany. It pretty clearly suggests a hypthetical/possible world that could happen if we don't take our world seriously.

[david_slupper]

There is nothing wrong with that ad. It's saying that the Holocaust happened to everyday people. It mentions nothing about policy or our leaders.

[/THREAD]

Seriously, I don't see much political content here. Just raising awareness.

[Al Paccioli]

I think you're all missing the big picture here. You all just got compared to Jews. I for one, would be positively appalled as an American.

[Chewy]

I think you're all missing the big picture here. You all just got compared to Jews. I for one, would be positively appalled as an American. Jews, slavs, gays, handicapped, mentally ill, Jehovah's Witnesses .... and so on.

[Al Paccioli]

Jews, slavs, gays, handicapped, mentally ill, Jehovah's Witnesses .... and so on.

It's atrocious and I won't stand for it.

[pimf]

I think you're all missing the big picture here. You all just got compared to Jews. I for one, would be positively appalled as an American.

You miss the premise as chewy pointed out. The Jews were not the only group in history to be rounded up and exterminated. Genocide has happened throught history.

Also, I'm confused why you think Americans should be appauled to be compared to Jews.

[Dayve]

You miss the premise as chewy pointed out. The Jews were not the only group in history to be rounded up and exterminated. Genocide has happened throught history.

Also, I'm confused why you think Americans should be appauled to be compared to Jews.

Possibly because they're money-obsessed supporters of the terrorist state of Israel? Whenever somebody disagrees with them on even something trivial they call them an anti-semite nazi supporter and do everything in their power to have their career ruined? I dunno, maybe that's it.

[_jax]

the commercials are stupid. however i think some of you are making a bigger deal out of this then it really is, to serve your own ego/political interests. the kids who watch mtv, like many of you have already said, are likely to pick up political beliefs as a fashion statement without putting too much thought into it. however i don't see mtv sparking any youth uprisings, these kids mostly just use their rebellious beliefs to decorate their myspaces and talk about how they hate bush during a lunch period... they usually lack the conviction to see it through in their actions. they just stroll the halls of their government funded public schools with the "anarchy" symbol sketched into their backpacks with a sharpie... without ever detecting the irony of what they're doing. however i'd venture to guess that deep down most of them know they have it too good as it is to ever try and spark any revolutions, despite what their myspace says.

theres always gonna be a few crazies out there who might snap and get violent but i can hardly think that a commercial will have anything to do with that in the long run.

[Mr. Heskey]

You forgot to mention that as a republican/conservative you were taught to be racist and were/still are ignorant about the rest of the world and authority/sanctity of others outside of the usa.

this has nothing to do with the thread. im just pointing out some probably truth.

You're only making your idiotic point sound even more stupid when you stereotype and generalize (which you blamed only conservatives did that)

[TheMadBlogger]

Do you buy this?

http://wjno.blogspot.com/2008/04/mtvs-offensive-holocaust-spots.html

Liberals absolutely kill me. It's disgusting that MTV uses allusions of WWII Nazi genocide, to make some inept anti-American political point, knowing that the their audience is primarily influential children.

Geez...when I was growing up, I was taught to admire my elders and respect authority. Today, we're teaching our kids to hate authority and possibly react in violence toward the police and teachers.

Good job, Harry Reid and company.

Check the source, it's MTV, what the fuck do they know aside from the TOP 40 Chart and what brand bubble gum Miley Cyrus chews...

[Nocturnal]

This really strikes me the same as the Vogue cover controversy over Lebron James and that model.

People see what they want to see, and get riled up over nothing.

[American Infidel]

Possibly because they're money-obsessed supporters of the terrorist state of Israel? Whenever somebody disagrees with them on even something trivial they call them an anti-semite nazi supporter and do everything in their power to have their career ruined? I dunno, maybe that's it.

Are you to say that Hitler's Final Solution of the Jewish Question was, in fact, a noble act?

I just want to hear you say it.

[demoniclizard]

pretty stupid fking commercial, what are they trying to say? That it could happen to us? this isnt the 1930s dumb fucks, the war is over, we don't live in a totalitarian state

[American Infidel]

pretty stupid fking commercial, what are they trying to say? That it could happen to us? this isnt the 1930s dumb fucks, the war is over, we don't live in a totalitarian state

Exactly. The Holocaust didn't just happen to people, like us. It happened to a segregated group of Jewish individuals, who were marked for the Nazi soldiers to target for genocide.

Hitler blamed everything on the Jews, making them scapegoats, not unlike Dayve's idiotic pandering to the "woeful" Palestinian population.

Dayve is yet to respond to my last direct question.

[WolfVonNiflheim]

Exactly. The Holocaust didn't just happen to people, like us. It happened to a segregated group of Jewish individuals, who were marked for the Nazi soldiers to target for genocide.


Actually not only Jews, also Gays, Gypsies, disabled,... Just about anyone who didn't fit the Arian/übermensch characteristics (lol@Hitler himself). Jews just manage to keep it in the media a lot more.

[Daucus Karota]

Actually not only Jews, also Gays, Gypsies, disabled,... Just about anyone who didn't fit the Arian/übermensch characteristics (lol@Hitler himself).
also Slavic people!

[Polkovnik]

also, bisexuals.

[_jax]

Are you to say that Hitler's Final Solution of the Jewish Question was, in fact, a noble act?

I just want to hear you say it.yes because giving any criticism towards the jewish people obviously means you agree with genocide...

that is the kind of jedi mind tricks the jews love to pull. quick question: are you of jewish persuasion yourself or are you just another one of their brainwashed victims?

i give much props and respect to the jews so don't go calling me a nazi supporter either. it just is what it is. the jews as a group are money-hungry ethnocentric power addicts. there are exceptions to this just like any other rule.. i have a few jewish friends that i consider next to kin, but i'm being honest about their people as a whole.

[Mr. Heskey]

Wait wait, you guys think the only reason MTV aired this commercial was to inform us of this little thing called the holocaust? Oh, well I kinda already learned that in the third grade, but thanks for refreshing my memory. You know, they should really do more public service announcements like that. Maybe next week they could air a commercial showing how Thomas Jefferson was the third president of the United States. Then they could change their name from MTV to the History Channel!

Yes that's it. I'm sure they weren't promoting an idea that the United States will soon become that way because of our evil dictator.

Hah, right. :rolleyes:

[Nocturnal]

Wait wait, you guys think the only reason MTV aired this commercial was to inform us of this little thing called the holocaust? Oh, well I kinda already learned that in the third grade, but thanks for refreshing my memory. You know, they should really do more public service announcements like that. Maybe next week they could air a commercial showing how Thomas Jefferson was the third president of the United States. Then they could change their name from MTV to the History Channel!

Yes that's it. I'm sure they weren't promoting an idea that the United States will soon become that way because of our evil dictator.

Hah, right. :rolleyes:

Why on earth would they do that? You guys are just paranoid. Let's assume they wanted to make the point that the holocaust could happen again anywhere... would they need to have t-shirts on saying "this is somewhere besides America" to make you happy?

Or perhaps they did this ad because their CEO (of Viacom) is Jewish, and happend to have fought in WWII.

[Mr. Heskey]

Why on earth would they do that? You guys are just paranoid. Let's assume they wanted to make the point that the holocaust could happen again anywhere... would they need to have t-shirts on saying "this is somewhere besides America" to make you happy?

Or perhaps they did this ad because their CEO (of Viacom) is Jewish, and happend to have fought in WWII.

Well then why the hell would they air it? To give us a history lesson? That's commendable for MTV but I'm pretty there was an ulterior motive to this.

[Polkovnik]

Well then why the hell would they air it? To give us a history lesson? That's commendable for MTV but I'm pretty there was an ulterior motive to this.

edit: here's the response, though i didn't bother to verify it
http://forum.ebaumsworld.com/showpost.php?p=4381472&postcount=29
edit 2: seems legit
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1965

they are attempting to appeal to the rebels, like they appeal to rich suburban kids, and gangstas with their cap about to fall off.

[Awesome-o]

Wow, I really didn't understand those videos. Are we supposed to remember the holocaust? I sure haven't forgotten.

[Nocturnal]

Well then why the hell would they air it? To give us a history lesson? That's commendable for MTV but I'm pretty there was an ulterior motive to this.

Maybe...they are marketing a product.

I can readily admit that it's easy to tap into the standard youth angst against society/authority. I could see the network pandering to that. I detest MTV so it's difficult for me to really support anything they do.

Looking past politics, can we all agree it is a good thing to teach our youth that being involved in our political process is imperitive? I think we can. It was the German people that either supported the holocaust, or ignored it that allowed such atrocoties to occur. (not that it's limited to the holocaust)

Once we agree on that then we can judge this to see if it was partisan, or merely intended to make a broad point. Shit happens, and if we don't pay attention it can happen again.

Personally I could do much better if I wanted to score bold faced political points against our government and it's current leadership. I feel the long well being of our nation is better off if we avoid such nonsense, even if it means a temporary "loss" for my ideology.

Wow, I really didn't understand those videos. Are we supposed to remember the holocaust? I sure haven't forgotten.

Be careful not to underestimate the stupidity of the average person. Especially if you are looking at ADD kids raised on sugar pops and teh interwebz.

[Deamatix]

Those of you saying "The Holocaust happened to Jews and etc, not people like me!" aren't getting the point, it shouldn't take more than 3 seconds of thought.

The point is that it happened to people who were trying to go about their everyday life and take care of their family, until someone pointed a finger in their direction to have them rounded up and systematically exterminated.

[ric]

There are several versions of the well-known statement attributed to the German anti-Nazi activist, Pastor Martin Niemöller. It may be *slightly* altered, but the overall message is pretty much straightforward

In Germany they first came for the communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant

Then they came for me —
and by that time no one was left to speak up.

[Al Paccioli]

Yes that's it. I'm sure they weren't promoting an idea that the United States will soon become that way because of our evil dictator.

Haha, Bush an evil dictator? Try again.

[Anarchology]

That MTV ad has nothing to do with comparing the Holocaust to this Government. The point behind it is that if you don't stand up to your freedoms being taken away from you, you might just find yourself in a sticky situation. I believe their choice in video was not the best idea.

It should be a positive thing for children and adults of all ages to question authority when they do not agree. If you guys want to go to a place where people are brainwashed on a daily basis from the start of their lives, you should go to CHURCH!

[Al Paccioli]

That MTV ad has nothing to do with comparing the Holocaust to this Government. The point behind it is that if you don't stand up to your freedoms being taken away from you, you might just find yourself in a sticky situation. I believe their choice in video was not the best idea.

It should be a positive thing for children and adults of all ages to question authority when they do not agree. If you guys want to go to a place where people are brainwashed on a daily basis from the start of their lives, you should go to CHURCH!

Then why don't you get off your 'anarchist' ass and blow up a couple churches if you care about other people so damn much? Please, free us from this brainwashing oh rebellious one!

[firepiss]

School shootings and the hatred of our youngsters for authority and there's nothing wrong with it?

When I was a kid, we actually feared our teachers. We did wrong and we were punished by our teachers and then punished by our parents.

Today, our kids are punished by vacation. Kids get into a fight and they're disciplined by suspension.

Maybe a few days of MTV and video games will teach them a lesson...


And whos fault is that? Parents fault.

[Henkie]

I may have said this before, but in general I don't like these kinds of WW2-comparisons, because they can be used to back up any point you like. Also, when using the Holocaust to make one injustice seem more serious, you're at the same time downplaying the Holocaust, which I don't like.

In this specific instance, however, I don't really mind it because they're not comparing it to anything. They're not actually making any point, besides sort of saying that the Holocaust was bad and shouldn't happen again. I don't see where exactly anybody could take offence, without having either a guilty conscience or a clear and strong prejudice towards MTV.

And to make it a bit personal, Heather, are you actually claiming that the message "Think!" is rebellious?

[k0n_]

Haha, Bush an evil dictator? Try again.

that was sarcasm

[ThoughtCriminal]

lol... MTV is a subsidiary of the media juggernaut "Viacom", which is run by Sumner Redstone who is a devout republican that publicly endorsed Bush in 2004.

It's kind of like idiot kids who think they're rebellious because they shop at "Hot Topic" and unaware that hot topic is owned by the fucking "GAP" and their clothes are made in the same Chinese sweatshop.

It's all a marketing ploy designed to snare people who can't think critically which is most people... MTV'S American holocaust ads are simply marketing to the young counterculture rebellious kids in the hopes they stay tuned into the channel and buy more proactive and soulja boy ringtones.

It's all a game and most of you idiots lost.

[American Infidel]

And to make it a bit personal, Heather, are you actually claiming that the message "Think!" is rebellious?

You're being annoyingly ludicrous, as usual. I never said that the promotion of free-thinking was being rebellious.

What MTV's ad is telling our youth is: The Holocaust happened to normal, everyday people, like you. Hence, you could very well end up in a concentration camp. Think!

Instead of campaigning against the absolute-zero chance that any of us will be rounded up and exterminated by our government, can't they seem to find something of more substance to rally against?

Perhaps a campaign that promotes abstinence and the importance of marriage and family, instead of rebelling against the government-owned, liberally-controlled and taxpayer-funded public school system, who promotes the right to abortion, homosexuality and gives away condoms to kids on prom night? Nah...that wouldn't be "progressive".

Once again, you're signature does not precede you.

[Henkie]

Once again, you'reR signature does not precede you.

There's a thought, I could start all my posts with my signature, as to give my posts some credibility. That really would be annoying... :idea:

And the reason why I don't actually mind this campaign is because they're not actually making a point for or against anything. And that means they're waisting air-time with empty statements, but if you want valuable and educational TV, maybe you shouldn't be watching MTV in the first place.

[_jax]

Perhaps a campaign that promotes abstinence and the importance of marriage and family, instead of rebelling against the government-owned, liberally-controlled and taxpayer-funded public school system, who promotes the right to abortion, homosexuality and gives away condoms to kids on prom night? Nah...that wouldn't be "progressive".i'm sorry.. but this makes me lol

yea, MTV should really start promoting abstinence. because we all know how cool abstinence is. kids sure do go crazy over that abstinence stuff. not having sex... that's really as good as it gets isn't it. i mean have you really forgotten what it's like to be a kid? MTV ads promoting abstinence would just be a bad joke. if you don't believe me i revert you to MTV's "anti-drug" ads.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuAarw_LGvQ&feature=related

mtv says smoking weed isn't cool. we all know how the kids listen to mtv. surely they'll stop smoking weed any day now.

face it.. these ads are nothing more than something for stoners to laugh at while they eat a bowl of fruit loops.

[American Infidel]

There's a thought, I could start all my posts with my signature, as to give my posts some credibility. That really would be annoying... :idea:

And the reason why I don't actually mind this campaign is because they're not actually making a point for or against anything. And that means they're waisting air-time with empty statements, but if you want valuable and educational TV, maybe you shouldn't be watching MTV in the first place.

Well there's a novel idea! Parent's should do what I did and cancel their cable TV. When Elmo started teaching children that some kids have two dads or two moms, I drew the line. I refuse to let my six-year-old daughter be subjected to that junk.

Yet, our culture has devolved into one of acceptance for the immoral.

[chrisvet]

Do you buy this?

http://wjno.blogspot.com/2008/04/mtvs-offensive-holocaust-spots.html

Liberals absolutely kill me. It's disgusting that MTV uses allusions of WWII Nazi genocide, to make some inept anti-American political point, knowing that the their audience is primarily influential children.




The shocking reality is GWB's grandfather Herbert Walker Bush was part owner of the New York Bank charged with laundering money for Hitler in the 1930's.

America's current path is very similar to Nazi Germany.

1. Creating boogieman enemy's (terrorists) like hitler did when he blew up his own parliment buidings to sell the polish invasion to Germans (well documented fact) to justify our presence in Afganistan / Iraq. Yes, our elitites steal their oil, Dicky boy's company built a pipeline prevously refused almost the day after the conquest. Why are oil prices so high (another story), because They want them to be high. end of story. Output is deliberately suppressed. (goal, to ruin American middle class through this and many other methods.)

2. Stripping German rights one at a time, dividing the population into fighting groups of people via massive socialism (same thing happening here <men, women, gays, blacks, etc>.)

3. Indoctrinating their young (as we do) for a dependence on government. Turning father against daughter, mother against son, etc (parents can get charged for administering corporal punishment, children can use this threat for control) Replacing father figure / protector provider with freebees and a police state (I think were headed there.)

4. Americas adoption of the hitler child worship propaganda (used to justify distribution of wealth in an anti male biased divorce / child support system:

"A society that believes it is working for the best interests of its children will suffer tremendous hardships." ....Adolph Hitler

5. America's hatred for other religions (Islam, for instance is 99% peaceful)
(This example sited to expose GWB's excessive insistance on Christian Values while media puppets constantly bash Muslim/Islam, indoctrinating us to justify war.)

6. Controlling other countries:
Many nations throughout the world have nooses around their neck in exchange for American foreign aid.
Sanctions, puppet gov'ts & officials, trade routes, rights to resources are a handful of what is given up in exchange for this "aid."

Acting like world police man, troops in 130 countries, ramming democracy all over the world, while stripping American rights and enslaving good hard working men women and babies with debt around their necks.

America works for the interests of a few elitists who control criminal elements in her government with aims for a 1 world government (not a secret anymore) which will be created in the name of stopping the very wars our masters plan and finance for profit.

Above is quick "first things that come to mind answer." No offence to my American brothers, it has nothing to do with the American public.

[Danimal87]

Who are "people like us," anyhow? People that think? If that was so, than Germany wouldn't have come up with V2 rockets and the first assault rifle during the war, the Sturmgewehr-44. This is just the kind of crap that MTV is aiming at their key demographic: dumbasses. Its seems political and intelligent and activist, but makes next to no point, then to think. But come to think about it, MTV wouldn't want that, as they'd lose their entire audience if they thought twice about the garbage on that channel. It reminds me of when I asked my coworker who he wanted to be president come 2009, and he answered with Mitt Romney, because he was such a good businessman.

This, even though he was wearing a Che Guevara shirt. God help our nation's youth.

If you're going to complain about MTV, at least talk about their awful programming. At least here in Germany, they play shows like Family Guy, American Dad, Southpark and Drawn Together. Say what you will about those shows, but they're all ten times better than the "reality" TV shows that are filled with actors. And when they do get around playing music, its all hip-hop trash.

MTV does promote some weird things, and I can't really imagine why. On one show, this guy explains how he always just wanted to have lots of money, that that was his goal in life. MTV is already in a running start to debauchery, I know. But to get that money, he acts in gay pornos, even though he isn't gay. Not only is he essentially a prostitute, but a gay one when he's actually straight. Not only is he unashamed, but he is going to announce this all to his family, while being taped by an MTV film crew.

Its obvious its all fake, of course. Before the announcement, he's just chilling out with his family in their house, and they don't even mind the camera, or have much of any reaction to his news when he delivers it. When they ask "what is this?" when looking at his websites, they should be asking "what the hell is this camera doing in my home?" Its like professional wrestling, in that its fake but that fact is never acknowledged, only that this is passed off more seriously as being real depictions of life, and therefore more dangerous. Go ahead and prostitute yourself out to sodomy, post it on the internet, and bring shame to everyone in your family save yourself. Thats what kids need to learn.

Their shows need to be shown in school as an educational tool: this is bad programming.

[ROFLStomp]

The shocking reality is GWB's grandfather Herbert Walker Bush was part owner of the New York Bank charged with laundering money for Hitler in the 1930's.

America's current path is very similar to Nazi Germany.

1. Creating boogieman enemy's (terrorists) like hitler did when he blew up his own parliment buidings to sell the polish invasion to Germans (well documented fact) to justify our presence in Afganistan / Iraq. Yes, our elitites steal their oil, Dicky boy's company built a pipeline prevously refused almost the day after the conquest. Why are oil prices so high (another story), because They want them to be high. end of story. Output is deliberately suppressed. (goal, to ruin American middle class through this and many other methods.)

2. Stripping German rights one at a time, dividing the population into fighting groups of people via massive socialism (same thing happening here <men, women, gays, blacks, etc>.)

3. Indoctrinating their young (as we do) for a dependence on government. Turning father against daughter, mother against son, etc (parents can get charged for administering corporal punishment, children can use this threat for control) Replacing father figure / protector provider with freebees and a police state (I think were headed there.)

4. Americas adoption of the hitler child worship propaganda (used to justify distribution of wealth in an anti male biased divorce / child support system:

"A society that believes it is working for the best interests of its children will suffer tremendous hardships." ....Adolph Hitler

5. America's hatred for other religions (Islam, for instance is 99% peaceful)
(This example sited to expose GWB's excessive insistance on Christian Values while media puppets constantly bash Muslim/Islam, indoctrinating us to justify war.)

6. Controlling other countries:
Many nations throughout the world have nooses around their neck in exchange for American foreign aid.
Sanctions, puppet gov'ts & officials, trade routes, rights to resources are a handful of what is given up in exchange for this "aid."

Acting like world police man, troops in 130 countries, ramming democracy all over the world, while stripping American rights and enslaving good hard working men women and babies with debt around their necks.

America works for the interests of a few elitists who control criminal elements in her government with aims for a 1 world government (not a secret anymore) which will be created in the name of stopping the very wars our masters plan and finance for profit.

Above is quick "first things that come to mind answer." No offence to my American brothers, it has nothing to do with the American public.

Terrorists never did anything lol...wait.

They bombed the world trade centers. They ain't such boogeymen after all eh?

I think your whole speech is just an anti-American rant.

[Danimal87]

1. Creating boogieman enemy's (terrorists) like hitler did when he blew up his own parliment buidings to sell the polish invasion to Germans
The Nazis allegedly set fire to the Reichstag to justify persecution of the Jews and Communists. not the invasion of Poland. The Reichstag is still around, it wasn't blown up. I know this, I can get there in about a half hour from where I am.

You have no idea what you're talking about man.

[chrisvet]

The Nazis allegedly set fire to the Reichstag to justify persecution of the Jews and Communists. not the invasion of Poland. The Reichstag is still around, it wasn't blown up. I know this, I can get there in about a half hour from where I am.

You have no idea what you're talking about man.

Maybe I was mistaken, I believed the story I read (not to long ago) spoke about germans dressing up their own soldiers as Polish guards. I'll try to find it and post the link. Wheter the building was leveled or not, the tactic was used to initiate war, and that is the point.

[_jax]

comparing bush to hitler is an insult to hitler. how dare u undermine mein furher

[chrisvet]

comparing bush to hitler is an insult to hitler. how dare u undermine mein furher

Lol, smacks myself in the head. :lol:

[iphone]

How does MTV have the nerve to say anything?

They air Americas Next Top Model around the clock.

Enough said.