7-10 year old kids. Non Muslims are Dogs

[texmaster]

Not that it surprises me in the least but some folks need to be made aware of this every now and then.

And in the Netherlands no doubt. LOL

http://www.nisnews.nl/public/090408_2.htm

Quote:
THE HAGUE, 09/04/08 - A primary school in Amsterdam wished to provide its pupils with an understanding for other cultures. But during a visit to a mosque, the children were told they were dogs.

With a view to developing understanding and respect for other cultures among children, primary school De Horizon regularly organises outings to various religious organisations. The chairman of the El Mouchidine mosque told the children from group 7 (aged 10) and their chaperones however that non-Muslims are dogs.

In a letter to the children's parents, the school expresses its regret at the incident: "We are shocked that during the guided tour, the mosque's chairman told the children and chaperoning parents that non believers were dogs. We consider this statement as unacceptable since we allow our children to partake in this project to develop respect for freedom of religious choice".

In the meantime, the school's management has addressed the mosque on the undesirable behaviour of the chairman. Both parties will say nothing further on the matter. "We will resolve the matter amongst ourselves and I have no inclination whatsoever to discuss the matter with the media", as newspaper De Telegraaf quoted the school's spokesperson Mariet ten Berge. "We have been to the mosque before and it always went well".

Angry parents had sent the letter on to De Telegraaf but were reportedly rapped on the knuckles by the school's management. "The school wishes to play this down. That is precisely the problem", as one mother commented

And she is right. Hope they wake up over there some time soon.

[GALLIENVS AVG]

The more I see news stories such as this, the more I begin to agree with films such as Fitna.

Even most "moderate" Muslims have this ingrained superiority factor, and now countries like Britain and the U.S. are bowing down to it.

[PartyTaco]

I wonder what sect of Islam the mosque belongs too.

[Soak A Toa]

Well, they're either hiding what they truly teach or some troublemaker told the kids to say that stuff. If it's an isolated incident, I wouldn't worry much.

EDIT:The more I see news stories such as this, the more I begin to agree with films such as Fitna.

Even most "moderate" Muslims have this ingrained superiority factor, and now countries like Britain and the U.S. are bowing down to it.

Nuh uh. The US is nowhere near Europe's level of "bowing down."

[Wu-tang]

"We consider this statement as unacceptable since we allow our children to partake in this project to develop respect for freedom of religious choice".

Funny thing is most religions don't respect freedom of religious choice.

[texmaster]

The more I see news stories such as this, the more I begin to agree with films such as Fitna.

Even most "moderate" Muslims have this ingrained superiority factor, and now countries like Britain and the U.S. are bowing down to it.

I wonder what sect of Islam the mosque belongs too.

It isn't a sect. the Qur'an makes it quite clear "non believers" are not people to associate with in any way shape or form.

I don't blame them for their thinking. Its written down in their religion to believe it.

[GALLIENVS AVG]

Well, they're either hiding what they truly teach or some troublemaker told the kids to say that stuff. If it's an isolated incident, I wouldn't worry much.

EDIT:

Nuh uh. The US is nowhere near Europe's level of "bowing down."

That's true, but how long is it until we're just like them? Not long, with the way things are going, in my opinion.

[texmaster]

Well, they're either hiding what they truly teach or some troublemaker told the kids to say that stuff. If it's an isolated incident, I wouldn't worry much.


And your evidence for this being isolated is...

I simply disagree. Its hard to get mad at a group of people who follow what their religion teaches them.

[Spike Lee]

I remember I was watching Jesus Camp and the kids were spouting off things that I dound offensive. One of things they spoke of is how Catholics are fake Christians.

[GALLIENVS AVG]

And your evidence for this being isolated is...

Exactly. The problem with stories like this is we see tens and tens of similar stories popping up every month or so.

It's not isolated; it's quite common.

[texmaster]

I remember I was watching Jesus Camp and the kids were spouting off things that I dound offensive. One of things they spoke of is how Catholics are fake Christians.

Thats a far cry from calling anyone who isn't a Christian a dog, especially children.

And do you have a link for this?

[Spike Lee]

Exactly. The problem with stories like this is we see tens and tens of similar stories popping up every month or so.

It's not isolated; it's quite common.

or it could be media hype.

[texmaster]

or it could be media hype.

wishful thinking.

[GALLIENVS AVG]

or it could be media hype.

Are you suggesting these stories are fabricated?

[Soak A Toa]

And your evidence for this being isolated is...

I simply disagree. Its hard to get mad at a group of people who follow what their religion teaches them.

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Pay attention to keywords. Now, I've heard of Madras schools in Pakistan and other Arab countries with similar, if-not-worse teachings and I've heard of angry Muslim riots in the UK, Sweden, France, etc. I've even heard of the hate-Mosques in the UK where they openly preach the death of the British government.

What I haven't heard are other news stories of Madras-like schools in Europe teaching little children hate. Bring up the story, then you already know my answer. Be worried.

[Spike Lee]

Are you suggesting these stories are fabricated?

No, I'm not. Media hype doesn't even mean fabrication. Just picking up the bad news and reporting it to extreme proportions.

And text, if you wanna call it that go ahead.

[GALLIENVS AVG]

No, I'm not. Media hype doesn't even mean fabrication. Just picking up the bad news and reporting it to extreme proportions.

And text, if you wanna call it that go ahead.

Then what's the problem? If the stories being reported are factual, it's VERY frightening.

[Spike Lee]

Then what's the problem? If the stories being reported are factual, it's VERY frightening.

Media hype has a negative connotation for a reason.

[rand0m]

Do you think 9/11 was media hype?

[Burningnun]

Do you think 9/11 was media hype?

Brilliant rand0m.

[Nocturnal]

I'm all for the occaisonal zomg teh muslims thread, but this one is pretty pointless.

Does this effect anyone, at any time, except for those kids and that community?

In the past 5 seconds 1,000,000 people just said something 10x worse than the comment in question.

[Jenovah]

I'm all for the occaisonal zomg teh muslims thread, but this one is pretty pointless.

Does this effect anyone, at any time, except for those kids and that community?

In the past 5 seconds 1,000,000 people just said something 10x worse than the comment in question.

Agreed.

It's just tough-talk, muslims and neonazi's at my school always said bad things about "outsiders" but at the same time they were big friends of each other, it's not like they'll actually be terrorists when they grow up..

[Spike Lee]

Thats a far cry from calling anyone who isn't a Christian a dog, especially children.
It's not a far cry at all. The comment made by these children doesn't really make me care mainly because it is so general and it lacks passion from where I sit. The other comment from the girl in the movie was a lot more personal to me because it attacked my specific faith (I'm Catholic) and it was being taught here in America by a class of voters that have a big impact on the politics and say of who will be the next president.
And do you have a link for this?

No, but you could rent the movie.

[Danimal87]

If you don't care, Spike, then don't post, or start a new thread that is interesting to you.

[Spike Lee]

If you don't care, Spike, then don't post, or start a new thread that is interesting to you.

How about you figure out what a forum is for. It is to voice opinions on a matter.

[Bergs]

It's not a far cry at all. The comment made by these children doesn't really make me care mainly because it is so general and it lacks passion from where I sit. The other comment from the girl in the movie was a lot more personal to me because it attacked my specific faith (I'm Catholic) and it was being taught here in America by a class of voters that have a big impact on the politics and say of who will be the next president.

The difference is that nobody would take a group of grade school children to that Christian group in order to teach religious tolerance, and if they did, they would deserve and receive criticism. Why does the same not apply to Muslims? A school is trying to teach children about religious tolerence by introducing them to bigots who tolerate nobody but their own. Counter-productive to the goal, stupid, and simply a double standard.

[MP.]

Dogs > Muslims

I think everyone would agree.

[texmaster]

It's not a far cry at all. The comment made by these children doesn't really make me care mainly because it is so general and it lacks passion from where I sit. The other comment from the girl in the movie was a lot more personal to me because it attacked my specific faith (I'm Catholic) and it was being taught here in America by a class of voters that have a big impact on the politics and say of who will be the next president.


No, but you could rent the movie.

So you have no evidence of this quote, nor any evidence it was the official position of this group and you expect us to accept it and equate it to a Muslim church whose head said this to a group of children?

[Spike Lee]

So you have no evidence of this quote, nor any evidence it was the official position of this group and you expect us to accept it and equate it to a Muslim church whose head said this to a group of children?

It's in the film sir. Either watch it or don't say shit. Do you want me to post the movie:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7157148037183248346&q=jesus+camp+duration%3Along&total=41&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

[Nickster]

No u.

Who cares, people have been taught as children to hate each other since the dawn as civilisation. Just keep the hell away from them and they'll keep the hell away from you.

[Sketcher]

No u.

Who cares, people have been taught as children to hate each other since the dawn as civilisation. Just keep the hell away from them and they'll keep the hell away from you.

But they don't keep away from us. They're moving into Europe by the millions and then they sit there and call them "dogs" and complain about their "non-muslim" laws. And Europe is just sitting there with its asshole wide open saying "Please fuck me!"

[texmaster]

But they don't keep away from us. They're moving into Europe by the millions and then they sit there and call them "dogs" and complain about their "non-muslim" laws. And Europe is just sitting there with its asshole wide open saying "Please fuck me!"

DEAD ON ACCURATE

[Jenovah]

But they don't keep away from us. They're moving into Europe by the millions and then they sit there and call them "dogs" and complain about their "non-muslim" laws. And Europe is just sitting there with its asshole wide open saying "Please fuck me!"

Not even 5% of those millions are like that, if they were you'd see even more muslim violence in western Europe.

Also, trying to convert western Europe to Islam is seldom the reason for the immigrants to come to Europe. Although I do agree that immigration laws should be a little more strict for non-Europeans to migrate to Europe.

[Zardozus]

It's in the film sir. Either watch it or don't say shit. Do you want me to post the movie:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7157148037183248346&q=jesus+camp+duration%3Along&total=41&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

Its this simple - you are a fool or a fooler if you actually believe that a this denomination is not already scorned, ridiculed and at best (and we hope to behave) is considered aberrant, weird, zealous and downright 'flakey' by the vast majority of Christian Denoms.

Further more I HAVE BEEN THE ONE (as well as fellow church members) WHO DEALS WITH THEM,
Deals with their crap and has to work to 'talk them down'.

NOT YOU!

But either way you are actually one of the reasons Islam is GOING TO FUCK YOU AND YOUR COUNTRY.
Why you?
Because what people like you do is try and 'cancel out concern' and mitigate investigation by putting up a false pretense that 'one is just as bad as the other'.
There is no real need to be alarmed, question or get concerned about 5,000 radical Islamicists who are actually murdering and bent on destroying western civilization
*because*
after all, I saw one sad boy on a documentary about a bizarre Christian sect saying something we 'could' grasp as the same thing.

Seriously... YOU are the problem. YOU are what helps the Islamofacists get somewhere and YOU undoubtedly think 'who the fuck cares as long as I get to shit on Christians (because you resent your Dad or something).
You won't be laughing one day when some Muslims show you some REAL RELIGIOUS OPPRESSION that will make you dream of the good ole days when you thought the 'Religious Right Bushies' were evil.

[modogthemonkey]

Not even 5% of those millions are like that, if they were you'd see even more muslim violence in western Europe.

Also, trying to convert western Europe to Islam is seldom the reason for the immigrants to come to Europe. Although I do agree that immigration laws should be a little more strict for non-Europeans to migrate to Europe.

The way Europe is expanding and taking more country's into the union,the middle east will end up being a part of Europe soon.

[Jenovah]

The way Europe is expanding and taking more country's into the union,the middle east will end up being a part of Europe soon.

I don't think they'll go further east or south than Turkey in the forseeable future.

[Zardozus]

Who here thinks we should 'Westernise' and 'Christianise' Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, Egypt and Turkey simply and easily by moving 5% of our population into theirs.
Once we have 5% of their population we then take fullest advantage of equality laws, the 'political correctness' that says their governments must grant us our own cultural rights and then we work to change their nations into western-style secular governments and their national anthems to sing 'In all Thy Sons command'?

Oh wait.. none of those countries are as absolutely stupid fucking weaklings as we are, would never just 'give that up' and would not allow us to just come over and do that like it was our 'right' or something.
and,
Yes, I RESPECT THEM and they SHOULD be doing what they are doing.

Who the HELL do I think I am expecting Saudi Arabia should give me any sort of right to do that?

For absolutely inexplicable reasons though.. weak, self-loathing, self-destructing western countries like the UK, Canada, Netherlands, Norway.. the list goes on... are basically yes, dropping their pants and hanging a sign around their arse saying 'kick me' and patting themselves on the back for being so 'advanced' and 'correct' for allowing it.
Islamofacists must sit back and just fucking laugh and shake their head in disbelief saying "Hey if your so stupid to invite me then you deserve everything you get".
And we do.

[texmaster]

It's in the film sir. Either watch it or don't say shit. Do you want me to post the movie:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7157148037183248346&q=jesus+camp+duration%3Along&total=41&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

I don't give anyone the entire newspaper to find a quote I claim exists. Either point out the time this quote is said or give it up but I'm not watching an hour and a half movie to find a quote you claim exists.

Give the time in the movie this quote appears and the endorsement of the church behind it.

[18C]

Its funny whatever an INDIVIDUAL Muslim says reflects upon his entire religion. I really think this is just media hype as well, just adding fuel to the fire and creating more of this "us against them" feeling. Just sad really, all this "ZOMG Islamophobia!"

I don't give anyone the entire newspaper to find a quote I claim exists. Either point out the time this quote is said or give it up but I'm not watching an hour and a half movie to find a quote you claim exists.

Voluntary ignorance... tsk tsk

[Woodward]

Its the exact same thing with christians in the south

[tonythetiger]

Does the mosque guy even know what a dog is? If I were one of the parents I would send that asshole a picture of his prophet a title of "Dog Man". Of course I would send it without a return address.

[texmaster]

Its the exact same thing with christians in the south

no, it isn't.

ignorance is bliss isn't it? :rollseyes

[18C]

You're blowing this incident way out of proportion. This is someone being prejudice, this is not the entire Islamic community screaming out that the world should be placed under Sharia law. It's a good way to rile yourself up for some war-mongering and discrimination, but that's about it.

[jajo]

You're blowing this incident way out of proportion. This is someone being prejudice, this is not the entire Islamic community screaming out that the world should be placed under Sharia law. It's a good way to rile yourself up for some war-mongering and discrimination, but that's about it.

The aim of every religion is to spread it, and Sharia law is an integral part of Islam, so yea I would argue that at the core of Islam is to spread Sharia Law.

[18C]

The aim of every religion is to spread it, and Sharia law is an integral part of Islam, so yea I would argue that at the core of Islam is to spread Sharia Law.

Are you aware that the majority of Islamic countries don't implement the entirety of Sharia law as a legal system and some, such as Turkey, even have laws contradicting it?

Also, the core of Islam are the five pillars:

Shahadah - "No god but Allah and Muhammad, his prophet."
Zakat - Giving alms to the poor and needy.
Salat - Five daily prayers
Sawm - Fasting during Ramadan
Hajj - Pilgrimage to Mecca at least once in the life time and circle the kabah 7 times.

That's it, no where does it state that Muslims are required to follow Sharia law, unless you're a crazy Iranian-Shia, but they're a pretty small minority.

[jajo]

A muslim not wanting to live according to sharia is like my catholic girlfriend craving my cock.

And you are right there are different interpretations of it, in some a woman will be punished for adultery in others christian converts executed- pick one. And Turkey is a secular state, not an Islamic one per se.

[OMFG FORUM RAGE]

ahh another thread that shows muslims are apeshit crazy

[18C]

A muslim not wanting to live according to sharia is like my catholic girlfriend craving my cock.

:fap: :fap: :fap:

And you are right there are different interpretations of it, in some a woman will be punished for adultery in others christian converts executed- pick one.

Once again, you're thinking of the most extreme theocracies that implement hadd offenses. You'll get a case every once in a while from these places, but its not like it happens every single day.

You can't point out the minority of something and then generalize it to the entirety.

Sharia law is a complicated manner, because many countries have parallel courts where sharia governs things like inheritance and nothing else, while they have judicial courts for all other crimes.

You're dealing with the fundamentalists here. Just like fundamentalists of any religion they are not mainstream and they are crazy.

[SouthernPatriot]

Ah, typical Muslim behavior.

[Nickster]

Ah, typical post starting with ahh saying something that has already been said in the thread 50 million times.

Goddamn, you just don't get it. People HATE you, people will always hate you, everyone on the fucking planet is hated by somebody. So... where seeing an increase in the amount of Muslims hating Americans in the last bunch of decades, big fucking shit, why is this more significant than Brits, Germans, Russians, and Vietnamese in the past? The VAST majority who hate some group or people or whatever NEVER do anything about it.

And as for hateful Sharia-pushing Muslims coming into western countries, that could be problem for a few decades. But eventually, after at least a generation, they'll fucking forget about it and mould right into the background just like the other 100 million people who came to the country in the past.

Hell, maybe these kids would'nt hate us so much if the US didn't stick their dick where it didn't belong.

[Daucus Karota]

they don't think like us, they don't feel like us, they are alien to our fair lands!

[jajo]

And as for hateful Sharia-pushing Muslims coming into western countries, that could be problem for a few decades. But eventually, after at least a generation, they'll fucking forget about it and mould right into the background just like the other 100 million people who came to the country in the past.

Yes Nostradamus your crystal ball shows the truth no doubt

[rochainskool]

The thread title is misleading. The article clearly states:
group 7 (aged 10)

There is nothing in the article regarding kids age 7-10.

[Jenovah]

Yes Nostradamus your crystal ball shows the truth no doubt

Stop being such a smart-ass, he was just saying that since it took a generation or two in the past it'll probably be the same this time, there's no real reason why it shouldn't be.

[DaDigits]

But they don't keep away from us. They're moving into Europe by the millions and then they sit there and call them "dogs" and complain about their "non-muslim" laws. And Europe is just sitting there with its asshole wide open saying "Please fuck me!"

Sounds like WWII. Just it was Germany instead of Muslims.....aw man does this mean we have to go save the French again?

[jajo]

Stop being such a smart-ass, he was just saying that since it took a generation or two in the past it'll probably be the same this time, there's no real reason why it shouldn't be.

Has Islam changed in the past 2 generations significantly?

[18C]

Has Islam changed in the past 2 generations significantly?

Religions rarely change. People however...

[Jenovah]

Has Islam changed in the past 2 generations significantly?

The muslim immigrants who came here in the 70's certainly have changed, whether they've changed enough is a debate best settled for another day.

[jajo]

Religions rarely change. People however...

true enough, I find it hard to swallow, however, that the ideological future of Europe is dangling on hope that muslims will adjust, not reject, the western liberal democracy.

[_Joe]

Thats a far cry from calling anyone who isn't a Christian a dog, especially children.

And do you have a link for this?

I take serious offense at someone calling me a non-Christian.

Europe has more of a problem with Muslims because the more liberal ones all come to America, and the ones who are hard line and just don't want to die go to somewhere in Europe. All the Muslims I know personally here are great and understanding people. I really feel bad for Europe, though, that they have to deal with all of the radicalism.

[Jenovah]

I take serious offense at someone calling me a non-Christian.

Europe has more of a problem with Muslims because the more liberal ones all come to America, and the ones who are hard line and just don't want to die go to somewhere in Europe. All the Muslims I know personally here are great and understanding people. I really feel bad for Europe, though, that they have to deal with all of the radicalism.

There's tons of understanding muslims in Europe too, they just don't make the news that often, I do agree that radicalism is a serious issue though.

[modogthemonkey]

There's tons of understanding muslims in Europe too, they just don't make the news that often, I do agree that radicalism is a serious issue though.

Thats true, the good news never makes the news its always the bad news thats makes the monies.

Sad but true.