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Danimal87
04-10-2008, 07:02 PM
The U.S. Homeland Security department has launched an ambitious nationwide effort that would cost $2 billion to $3 billion a year to identify and deport the estimated 300,000 to 450,000 illegal immigrants locked up each year in jails and prisons.

The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement operation was denounced by immigrant rights groups and received cautiously by those favoring tighter enforcement.

''We can do something few law enforcement agencies can do: Not only ensure criminals are off the streets, but ensure they are removed from the country," said ICE spokesman Tim Counts. ''Removing hundreds of thousands of criminals from the country is sure to have a positive impact on community safety."

ICE has a presence in only 10 percent of the nation's 3,100 local lockups. Last year, it filed deportation charges against 164,000 illegal immigrants in jail, and removed 95,000, Counts said.

''It's a broad-stroke outline for a plan to locate more of the illegal aliens located in jails and prisons throughout the country," Counts said.

The recently announced ICE effort, known as "Secure Communities," will upgrade computer technology in jails and allow local jailers to access ICE's fingerprint database to quickly identify prisoners with immigration violations as they are booked. The $200 million in funding already allocated for the program this year would also add an unspecified number of ICE detention and removal officers, Counts confirmed.

The program would also:

• Prioritize removal of criminal immigrants based on their danger to the community.

• Expand an early parole program for non-violent immigrants who agree to deportation.

• Add staff in field offices so ICE detention officers are available around-the-clock to assist local jailers in deportation.

• Increase the 287 (g) program, which trains state and local law enforcement officers to perform immigration duties.

Counts said the first priority would be removing "level one" immigrants, those convicted of major drug offenses and violent crimes including murder, manslaughter, rape and armed robbery. Removing those offenders would cost around $1 billion a year. ICE estimates the cost to remove all convicted criminal immigrants in custody would be $2 billion to $3 billion annually.

"We estimate it will take approximately three and a half years to remove all level one criminal aliens, and to test the program's effectiveness," Counts said.

Sheriff's office interested
Harris County sheriff's officials, who are awaiting approval for ICE training for a dozen jail deputies, said they would be interested in access to the ICE database.

''I would assume that as the nature of our relationship with ICE expands, it would be made available to us," said Maj. Don McWilliams, commander of the department's public services bureau. ''As we get our people trained to assist ICE, we certainly would like access to any and all databases ICE has access to."

The Secure Communities initiative expands ICE's Criminal Alien Program, which focuses on identifying deportable immigrants incarcerated in federal, state and local facilities.

The Harris County Sheriff's Office participates in the program by asking county jail inmates if they are in the country legally. Jail officials then refer illegal immigrants to ICE, which can place detainers on them to prevent their release and subject them to deportation.

The same program ignited protests last year in Irving, the Dallas suburb where ICE agents worked closely with city jailers to deport hundreds of illegal immigrants. Activists there complained Irving police were targeting immigrants in raids.

Fire from both sides
The new multiyear ICE operation has raised questions from groups on both sides of the immigration debate.

Curtis Collier, president of the U.S. Border Watch in Houston, said illegal immigrants should only be deported after completing their sentences.

''Deportation is not punishment. We are adamantly opposed to removing people prior to their serving their sentence, because it's basically early release," Collier said. ''And once they deport them, they'll be right back in this country."

Arnoldo Garcia, program coordinator for the National Network of Immigrant Refugee Rights, said the ICE effort could result in profiling of immigrants.

''They're wasting resources," said Garcia, whose group is based in California. ''And how are they going to verify the rights of those individuals who are jailed?"
Source (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/5688925.html)

Regardless of your stance on the subject, this is a pretty big deal. I agree with Collier that the criminals should serve their full sentence, and I'm not sure what to make of what Garcia said. You can tell where his loyalties lie when he objects to the deportation of illegal immigrants who have also committed other violent crimes. It doesn't matter how bad those people soil the name of his community; as long as they're Hispanic, they're OK with him.

droogsteve
04-10-2008, 07:24 PM
Arnoldo Garcia, program coordinator for the National Network of Immigrant Refugee Rights, said the ICE effort could result in profiling of immigrants.

''They're wasting resources," said Garcia, whose group is based in California. ''And how are they going to verify the rights of those individuals who are jailed?"

What he says doesn't even make sense. I know "profiling" is considered a dirty word these days, but how the hell does it apply here? They're convicted criminals who are here illegally, what does that have to do with profiling?

And "verify the rights" of people in jail? What does that even mean? Seriously?

There is really no valid reason for anyone to be against deporting convicted criminals here illegally. Since he doesn't have a leg to stand on, he resorts to throwing out meaningless buzzwords like "profiling" to imply some sort of racism. It's pathetic.

Spike Lee
04-10-2008, 07:31 PM
Illegal immigrants. Please specify that in the thread title.

Liberator13
04-10-2008, 11:59 PM
There's no reason for people to argue against this.

Spike Lee
04-11-2008, 12:15 AM
If you say so chief.

GALLIENVS AVG
04-11-2008, 12:37 AM
I agree with Collier- these prisoners should definitely have to serve their full terms before being deported.

TFS
04-11-2008, 12:59 AM
If you say so chief.

If they're here illegally, they're already breaking the law in a manner that demonstrates that they have no intent to contribute to our society as law-abiding citizens or respect our nation's sovereignty.

No one that fits that description deserves to be here.

Liberator13
04-11-2008, 01:00 AM
If you say so chief.

What's with the snobby attitude? It gets old quickly.

david_slupper
04-11-2008, 01:01 AM
Holy shit, finally! God damn, why couldn't they do this sooner?

A step in the right direction, but still a long way to go.

GALLIENVS AVG
04-11-2008, 01:03 AM
Holy shit, finally! God damn, why couldn't they do this sooner?

A step in the right direction, but still a long way to go.

Yes. I fear it's already too late to round up and deport all illegals in within our borders, though. Also, unfortunately, it looks like there will be amnesty with the inauguration of the next President, whether (s)he be Republican or Democrat.

Spike Lee
04-11-2008, 01:03 AM
What's with the snobby attitude? It gets old quickly.

Sarcasm aside, I agree with what was done. I just think that the title should read Mass Deportations Coming for Illegal Immigrants.

texmaster
04-11-2008, 01:53 AM
Sarcasm aside, I agree with what was done. I just think that the title should read Mass Deportations Coming for Illegal Immigrants.

Are you in favor of deporting illegal immigrants?

Spike Lee
04-11-2008, 01:59 AM
I think if you want to come here, you have to do it legally.

edit: I was going to say I agree, but the truth is no. For the longest of time my uncle was here illegaly and I would never wish for his deportation. He is legal now, but I feel a connection to those who come here illegally for the purpose of trying to survive.

Danimal87
04-11-2008, 01:52 PM
Spike, I titled the thread just like the article was titled, and I see no need to change it.
edit: I was going to say I agree, but the truth is no. For the longest of time my uncle was here illegaly and I would never wish for his deportation. He is legal now, but I feel a connection to those who come here illegally for the purpose of trying to survive.
This illustrates a good reason for not giving amnesty to illegal immigrants. If we did, the then-legal immigrants would support more illegals coming over the border, and would push for another amnesty. We need to rid ourselves of this fifth column.
What he says doesn't even make sense. I know "profiling" is considered a dirty word these days, but how the hell does it apply here? They're convicted criminals who are here illegally, what does that have to do with profiling?

And "verify the rights" of people in jail? What does that even mean? Seriously?

There is really no valid reason for anyone to be against deporting convicted criminals here illegally. Since he doesn't have a leg to stand on, he resorts to throwing out meaningless buzzwords like "profiling" to imply some sort of racism. It's pathetic.
We've crossed into dangerous territory here. In response to this, I say, "Freedom, America, 9/11 Rights."

texmaster
04-11-2008, 01:55 PM
Spike, I titled the thread just like the article was titled, and I see no need to change it.

This illustrates a good reason for not giving amnesty to illegal immigrants. If we did, the then-legal immigrants would support more illegals coming over the border, and would push for another amnesty. We need to rid ourselves of this fifth column."

Excellent point.

Spike Lee
04-11-2008, 04:56 PM
By my uncle did not come here because of amnesty. He got his residency legally. My parents benifited from amnesty through Reagan. My family likes Reagan for that. As for this so called plan to get illegals in so another round of amnesty can be brung up, that never came up at all untill Bush brought it up.