View Full Version : my brothers room mate charged for a hate crime
Mikeydoes
04-15-2008, 11:07 PM
it was on the news.. and the homosexual is lying his ass off, he was so hammered drunk that when he went to the doctor's office.. he was treated for alcohol poison.
I took down the link for now.
the story is: at 1am, him and another friend were walking and saw a really drunk gay guy holding on to another guy. My friend said,"look at those fags all over eachother." Well the gay kid didnt like what was said so he went up to my friend grabbed his shoulder and confronted him on what he had said. Repeatedly he kept getting grabbed by this guy and being asked "what did you say?", and my friend repeatedly said "get out of my face dude" until finally he pushed him away. The guy fell to the cement ground and didnt get up. The push was not very strong, but due to him being really drunk the guy fell.
The cops came and they questioned the guy's friends that are girls, who really had no idea what happened. They took him to jail(he got bailed out later). The gay dude went to the hospital that night and was treated for alcohol poisoning, and was released the next day. I am sure there might have been some cuts or something landing on cement, but if he wasn't so drunk he probably wasnt falling.
Well this kid went public with the story and completely lied(it was on the 10 o'clock news). He contradicts himself several times, one time he says hes "pulled back", then another time he said he was pushed to the ground. He does not remember a single detail of what happened. Also in this newscast he lies and says all he did was ignore him and my friend came up and pushed him after calling him a "fag". They also said in the story that the gay guy "has trouble remembering every detail"(well duh he was blacked out from being drunk)
Daucus Karota
04-15-2008, 11:18 PM
Is your brother the offended homo?
Mikeydoes
04-15-2008, 11:20 PM
Is your brother the offended homo? if i said this in the current events thread i would be banned.
No, my brother was with him and knows the real story to what happened.
Al Paccioli
04-15-2008, 11:29 PM
Daucus's remark was a light hearted remark, don't get your panties in a bunch.
And yeah it sucks that the gay drunk guy is doing this, but at the same time I think it would make me proud if he's doing it for the lulz.
Daucus Karota
04-15-2008, 11:47 PM
he is acting just like this gay guy who accused one of my friends of gay bashing
my friend had to pay him 10000$(about 60.000 kroner) in compensation!
Mikeydoes
04-16-2008, 12:12 AM
Daucus's remark was a light hearted remark, don't get your panties in a bunch. It was a joke by him not a light hearted remark, I was merely saying if that was me I would be in trouble. I don't care that he said it, I just wanted to point that out, also i dont have panties.
lol.... tell ur brother's roomate to suck it up and get a good lawyer
cause if the the lawyer dont rob u then the gay guy will
Mikeydoes
04-19-2008, 05:27 AM
lol.... tell ur brother's roomate to suck it up and get a good lawyer
cause if the the lawyer dont rob u then the gay guy will
neither will happen, but thanks for the pointless input.
dazevas
04-19-2008, 05:29 AM
let gays be dude.
neither will happen, but thanks for the pointless input.no prob......
Shameless
04-19-2008, 06:42 PM
I don't know the details of the case (obviously) but it sounds like you're buddy's lying about as much as the gay guy.
And I don't have a huge amount of sympathy for your friend, because he kinda sounds like a huge douche.
No offense.
Al Paccioli
04-19-2008, 06:46 PM
It was a joke by him not a light hearted remark, I was merely saying if that was me I would be in trouble. I don't care that he said it, I just wanted to point that out, also i dont have panties.
That's hot.
mr_sauce
04-20-2008, 06:14 AM
Yea, that all sounds very gay to me. Gay people act gay.
Your brother's roommate should be more careful. Gay people are like little rare precious endangered animals or something. If you step on one your fucked.
drahkcorjc
04-20-2008, 09:42 AM
Is the OP the offended fags boyfriend?
Sketcher
04-20-2008, 01:06 PM
Mikey, what country are you in?
Mikeydoes
04-20-2008, 08:29 PM
Mikey, what country are you in?
the only country where this would be a legitimate case.
Is the OP the offended fags boyfriend?
not only was this completely not funny and already tried in this thread... it obviously proves you didn't read.
Cliff_Edge
04-20-2008, 09:12 PM
Why did the room mate stick around after knocking the faggot to the ground?
He should've left.
drahkcorjc
04-21-2008, 07:22 AM
not only was this completely not funny and already tried in this thread... it obviously proves you didn't read.
Is your brother the offended homo?
Is the OP the offended fags boyfriend?
Maybe you should read, buddy. I was working off Daucus' joke.
Mikeydoes
04-21-2008, 10:39 AM
Maybe you should read, buddy. I was working off Daucus' joke. Maybe you should.. Its the same joke that was not funny in the first place.. yes, of course you said me instead of my brother. It is the exact same joke and wasnt funny the first time, and is also ignorant, i dont really care what you say, but id get in trouble for doing that(although i wouldnt do something as outplayed or retarded as that) .
Sketcher
04-21-2008, 11:00 AM
the only country where this would be a legitimate case.
I know of several countries with hate crime laws...can you be more specific?
Mikeydoes
04-21-2008, 11:06 AM
I know of several countries with hate crime laws...can you be more specific? First of all, it shouldnt be a question worth answering, second why would it even matter that you know?
Assume its from YOUR country which it MOST LIKELY IS.
ON ANOTHER NOTE: Country does matter.. but the fact is if its in the US, it is not the country that matters, it is the state you live in(which is why i find it irrelevant to answer your question). But I am not looking for legal help so therefore the place im from does not matter.. He was charged for a hatecrime...
maybe im just pissed at other people in this thread and im taking it out on you, but still that question isnt really that good. maybe if you added why you would like to assure im from the US, but there is no point for that now.
Sketcher
04-21-2008, 11:49 AM
First of all, it shouldnt be a question worth answering, second why would it even matter that you know?
Assume its from YOUR country which it MOST LIKELY IS.
ON ANOTHER NOTE: Country does matter.. but the fact is if its in the US, it is not the country that matters, it is the state you live in(which is why i find it irrelevant to answer your question). But I am not looking for legal help so therefore the place im from does not matter.. He was charged for a hatecrime...
maybe im just pissed at other people in this thread and im taking it out on you, but still that question isnt really that good. maybe if you added why you would like to assure im from the US, but there is no point for that now.
I'm wondering because 1.) I like to compare other countries laws to my own and 2.) I want to make sure these bullshit laws aren't spreading to my country. Why is it such a hard question to answer? What, your afraid one of us is going to track you down or something like that just by telling us which country you live in?
You may believe there's no point to the question, but there is. The point is, I like to know which countries are allowing crap like this to happen.
Mikeydoes
04-21-2008, 01:37 PM
the laws are already in your country.. If you were to call someone a "fag" in almost any state, they have a good chance to sue you.
In this case, my friend was touched first (no, not sexually, since i know you kids just want to say that so bad).after the fact that he did call him a "fag" first. The guy continued grabbing him and trying to stop him from walking, technically that is where any other person would lose a case automatically, but since hes gay. the jury or judge might still feel bad for the gay dude and give him a settlement. My friend could be screwed, just because the dude is gay and lying.. but im feeling pretty good about his chances.
Sketcher
04-21-2008, 01:49 PM
the laws are already in your country.. If you were to call someone a "fag" in almost any state, they have a good chance to sue you.
Yeah, he could sue, but nine times out of ten, the case would be dropped before ever reaching court. If you are in the U.S., you really don't need to worry about your friend. If anything, he'd get an assault charge, but U.S. judges for the most part don't take the reason into consideration.
And I still don't understand why it's so hard for you to just say what country your in. It'll give us a better idea on what to expect to happen to your friend, based on that country's laws.
Mikeydoes
04-21-2008, 02:57 PM
Yeah, he could sue, but nine times out of ten, the case would be dropped before ever reaching court. If you are in the U.S., you really don't need to worry about your friend. If anything, he'd get an assault charge, but U.S. judges for the most part don't take the reason into consideration.
And I still don't understand why it's so hard for you to just say what country your in. It'll give us a better idea on what to expect to happen to your friend, based on that country's laws.
Its more than obvious im from the US.. thats one reason(If i had been from a different country I would have certainly said i was from there)
next, by reading your post about how i shouldnt worry about my friend shows that you have no idea the magnitude of the situation, and probably know very little about law. Not to mention if you dont know the law for states, how can i even imagine that you would know anything from a different country. He was not charged for assault, he was charged for a hatecrime, and it is that way for a reason. The other guy touched him first, hence assault is pretty much out of the question.
Sketcher
04-21-2008, 04:04 PM
Its more than obvious im from the US.. thats one reason(If i had been from a different country I would have certainly said i was from there)
When you said "your country", It made it seem like you weren't from the U.S.
next, by reading your post about how i shouldnt worry about my friend shows that you have no idea the magnitude of the situation, and probably know very little about law. Not to mention if you dont know the law for states, how can i even imagine that you would know anything from a different country. He was not charged for assault, he was charged for a hatecrime, and it is that way for a reason. The other guy touched him first, hence assault is pretty much out of the question.
Look at the word "hatecrime". It is a crime based on hate. What crime happened here? Assault. At least that's what the accused crime is. I cannot be arrested for calling someone a "fag". I cannot be punished at all for it by a court of law. Judges in the U.S. do not take into consideration the reason why someone like your friend pushed the other guy. If they punish your friend, it will be because he "assaulted" the guy, not because he pushed a gay guy.
Scenerio 1: You hit a guy walking down the street for bumping into you.
Scenerio 2: I hit a guy walking down the street because he's black.
In a U.S. court of law, we would both get the same punishment because the reason why we committed the crime doesn't matter, according to the law. The gay guy lied and your friend got arrested for assault. It had nothing to do with the fact that he was gay.
And yes, I do have a good understanding of the law. The University I went to is one of the top schools in the country for criminal justice and 90% of my friends were criminal justice majors. Trust me, I've had countless conversations about this very thing with them. The cops don't give a shit if the other guy was gay, they would have arrested your friend whether the guy was gay or not.
Mikeydoes
04-21-2008, 10:27 PM
When you said "your country", It made it seem like you weren't from the U.S.
Look at the word "hatecrime". It is a crime based on hate. What crime happened here? Assault. At least that's what the accused crime is. I cannot be arrested for calling someone a "fag". I cannot be punished at all for it by a court of law. Judges in the U.S. do not take into consideration the reason why someone like your friend pushed the other guy. If they punish your friend, it will be because he "assaulted" the guy, not because he pushed a gay guy.
common sense would have you think that.. too bad he is not charged with assault, for the 4th time.... he is charged with a hatecrime, and the only thing that might save his ass is that the gay dude cant keep his mouth shut.. otherwise he'd be screwed. whether you think it should be assault or not doesnt matter because you arent the one charging him.
BeeEmmmDeebahya
04-22-2008, 02:10 AM
the only thing that might save his ass is that the gay dude cant keep his mouth shut.. otherwise he'd be screwed.
:lmao:
Haven't laughed this hard in a while
I thought the hate crimes law didn't pass a few months ago. I hate to say it, but ADL (the world's largest hate group which specializes in defamation) has a lot to do with laws like this being enforced in the US. Please note that the ADL (just like AIPAC) was caught spying on Americans (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE7DD1030F937A15753C1A9659582 60&sec=&spon=
) in the early 1990's.
Hate Crimes Laws (http://www.adl.org/99hatecrime/intro.asp) source ADL
The ADL has long been in the forefront of national and state efforts to deter and counteract hate-motivated criminal activity. Hate crime statutes are necessary because the failure to recognize and effectively address this unique type of crime could cause an isolated incident to explode into widespread community tension.
In June 1993, the United States Supreme Court upheld a Wisconsin hate crime statute that was based on model legislation originally drafted by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) in 1981.
1 Wisconsin v. Mitchell,
508 U.S. 476 (1993).
The following year, ADL published a detailed report on hate crimes laws, Hate Crimes Laws: A Comprehensive Guide, which functions as a reference on hate crimes legislation nationwide. This update is meant to complement the 1994 report and encompasses changes that have occurred since that time, including the League's recent addition of gender to its model hate crimes legislation, and the passage of additional Federal legislation, as well as a description of a number of Federal training and education initiatives to confront hate violence.
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