Cool story about winning the war on cancer!

[wra]

A cancer patient has made a full recovery after being injected with billions of his own immune cells in the first case of its kind, doctors have disclosed.

The 52-year-old, who was suffering from advanced skin cancer, was free from tumours within eight weeks of undergoing the procedure.

Doctor's use patient's own immune cells to beat cancer
The case could be a landmark in cancer treatment

After two years he is still free from the disease which had spread to his lymph nodes and one of his lungs.

Doctors took cells from the man's own defence system that were found to attack the cancer cells best, cloned them and injected back into his body, in a process known as "immunotherapy". After two years he is still free from the disease which had spread to his lymph nodes and one of his lungs.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/06/18/scicanc118.xml

[Yuseke]

Mission Accomplished!

[rordy]

very cool story, I wonder why I haven't heard of it

[Jay-Z]

So is that the cure to cancer?

[Amadeus]

And this treatment would only cost 5 million dollars if it were made available to the public.

[shade]

Wonder if it can fight HIV

[GALLIENVS AVG]

Wonder if it can fight HIV

Maybe, but it would be much too weak to tackle SuperAIDS.

[evan_bod]

Probably, as HIV depends on killing off all the immune cells which fight off disease. However I suppose to totally get rid of HIV you would have to find some way to target the cells that the HIV virus has taken over which keep reproducing more and more virus. But it would make HIV even less of a threat than it is today (for those who can afford treatment).

[chrisvet]

There is almost nobody I know that cancer doesn't affect, a mother, grandparent, friend, sibbling.

This is phenominal news.

[Amadeus]

This is phenomenal news.


I've read many stories about them finding cures for cancer and HIV, but that's all it ever is: news; they claim that it'll take up to 20 years for studies to complete, and by then people will have long forgotten about this particular story.

They usually have to cancel studies due to lack of funding.

[chrisvet]

I've read many stories about them finding cures for cancer and HIV, but that's all it ever is: news; they claim that it'll take up to 20 years for studies to complete, and by then people will have long forgotten about this particular story.

They usually have to cancel studies due to lack of funding.

I'll tell you a quick story about a Doctor in Mexico who stopped diabetes dead in its tracks on a while pile test patients (from memory) ages 14 to about 20. The one thing they had in common was their good physical condition / strength & youth. The success rate was also incredibly high amongst his patients. From memory the study was done over aproximately 2 years.

He did something drastic, that was considered unethical by the medical community to the point they wanted nothing to do with him, even going as far as failing to acknowledge / recognise his work in most medical forums. They didn't even invite this guy to hear his story. (amazing eh?!)

It involved implanting something from a pig (forgive me, its been a long time) into the human subject. (Something to do with pig testes and the human spleen, but again, I could be completely wrong.) The results (done over 2 to 3 years) were stunning, reducing the patients daily insulin intake by upto 80%, and stopping the degenerative affects of the disease dead in its tracks. (eg, eliminating chances of future blindness / circulatory problems etc)

I was amazed to see the head of the Canadian diabetes research center in Alberta right out dismiss this guy on the basis he broke ethical standards (which were totally legal in mexico by the way) He didn't even want to read a copy of the Mexicans report.

Then it dawned on me, we have hundreds of thousands of scientists around the world who depend on funding based on the progress of their own research. Its not that they're evil and don't want to find a cure, but they're not willing to jump onto another bandwagon at all when it shows the most promise, because of the threat of getting their plug pulled. Its also harder than hell to give up 10 years of progressive research (lifes work) in a heartbeat.

I'm not calling them junk scientists, because they're anything but that, but they do have some pretty tough posturing & big guards whenever someone else comes out with a breakthrough. I believe the same thing happened with the boys who invented insulin or penicilin. (again, forgive me :lol:) It is consistent with a jealous, dismissive behavior that I would expect scientists to overcome by attributing it to childish and counter productive.

The point of this story really shed light on what I percieve as a negative loser mentality throughout the world that even the most well educated eggheads are guilty of. BTW, at the end of the program the Mexican and his studies were finally accepted at a world diabetes convention held somewhere overseas. I have no idea how his studies have progressed. Hopefully his direction has proven successful and other scientists around the world are following in his footsteps.

Nevertheless, the op article is quite promising, and I sincerely hope its preview of things to come in the future.

[Cur67]

hmmph,
what about the cancer that's killing . . .

oh nevermind.

[Amadeus]

Nevertheless, the op article is quite promising, and I sincerely hope its preview of things to come in the future.

I'll see your "from memory" post and raise you a recent study:


Diabetic mice became healthy virtually overnight after researchers injected a substance to counteract the effect of malfunctioning pain neurons in the pancreas.

"I couldn't believe it," said Dr. Michael Salter, a pain expert at the Hospital for Sick Children and one of the scientists. "Mice with diabetes suddenly didn't have diabetes any more."

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=a042812e-492c-4f07-8245-8a598ab5d1bf

[_Joe]

And this treatment would only cost 5 million dollars if it were made available to the public.

Well, one good thing is that it is a therapy, not a drug, so doctors could be competitive price-wise (doctors are less likely to dangle drugs just out of financial reach of dying patients than pharmaceutical companies.)

[Lividum]

Nanobots are the cure for cancer.

And pretty much everything else. 2020's, mark my words.

[chrisvet]

I'll see your "from memory" post and raise you a recent study:




http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=a042812e-492c-4f07-8245-8a598ab5d1bf

Excellent! Pancrease, not the spleen.
BTW, hospital for sick kids in Toronto is where my little brother died from leukemia. Excellent hospital, amazing staff.

[Amadeus]

hospital for sick kids in Toronto is where my little brother died from leukemia.

I'm terribly sorry to hear that, Chris. Millions of people have been dying, waiting for "the cure" to miraculously appear, yet all we get is the occasional study to raise our hopes and then. . silence.

[Redddragon895]

Nanobots are the cure for cancer.

And pretty much everything else. 2020's, mark my words.

Nanobots was also the reason for the War Economy...

[Lividum]

I'm terribly sorry to hear that, Chris. Millions of people have been dying, waiting for "the cure" to miraculously appear, yet all we get is the occasional study to raise our hopes and then. . silence.

Cancer's a funny thing because it's extremely variable. "Cures" in the typical sense are probably impossible. Just treatments. Some are more effective than others, so I guess the most effective one would be your "cure."

And that is nanobots.

[rand0m]

Snore ... we found a cure decades ago ... then we found another ... then another ... then another ...

... dammit it Lividum just beat me.

[Zazoo]

I'll see your "from memory" post and raise you a recent study:




http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=a042812e-492c-4f07-8245-8a598ab5d1bf


I remember reading that article, but I'm afraid that they fucked up somehow. They published their research in December 14, 2006 and told us "they have yet to confirm their findings in people, but say they expect results from human studies within a year or so."

I even checked their site (http://www.sickkids.ca/mediaroom/custom/diabetesopen06.asp), but I couldn't find anything interesting. Then again, I suck at the internets.

And chrisvet, I'm doing my bachelor in veterinary science and I call tell you from my own experience, the intelligence of my professors is through the roof. Do you honestly believe that a gigantic community in which every member has studied for at least 7 years at a very high level would turn their back on this? If it broke ethical rules, some smartass would've find a way to bypass them.

Not to mention importing an organ from an animal into a human is pretty ridiculous. Importing an organ from a human into another human is hard enough as it is and I'm not even talking about the side-effects.

I'll believe you if you can get an article from a credible source, but this sounds more like conspiracy/urban legend bullshit to me.

[clutch-monkey]

And chrisvet, I'm doing my bachelor in veterinary science
what year are you in? </3 neuroanatamy :mad:

[Zazoo]

what year are you in? </3 neuroanatamy :mad:

Just finished my first. I've heard stories about neuroanatomy though, last year about 5% managed to pass the exam. Can't wait till next semestre... :(

[chrisvet]

I'm terribly sorry to hear that, Chris. Millions of people have been dying, waiting for "the cure" to miraculously appear, yet all we get is the occasional study to raise our hopes and then. . silence.

Thanks man, was a very very long time ago, he was the best of us.

[Amadeus]

"Cures" in the typical sense are probably impossible. Just treatments. Some are more effective than others[...]


According to ABC news, intravenous vitamin C has been used to cure several forms of cancer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCBRMFBVzi0

Pay attention to what the reporter talks about at about the 3:00 mark.

[chrisvet]

According to ABC news, intravenous vitamin C has been used to cure several forms of cancer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCBRMFBVzi0

Pay attention to what the reporter talks about at about the 3:00 mark.

Sweet, I also vaguely recall a story of the FDA once trying to make it available by prescription Only. Cuntists.

[Amadeus]

I also vaguely recall a story of the FDA once trying to make it available by prescription Only.

Well, in order to get intravenous treatments, you have to have written permission from your GP, and many hospitals do not offer the treatment. So, basically you already do need a prescription.


Cuntists.

I prefer the term "Penis Artists."

[BlueQuarter]

very cool story, I wonder why I haven't heard of it

Well because Tim Russert died, of course.

Oh yeah, and Obamas advisors don't want muslim chicks in the background of any live speech.

Com'n now! That's the REAL news.

No one seems to care about all the young boys and girls getting blown up unexpectedly in a warzone..

FUCK THE U.S MEDIA!

[Amadeus]

No one seems to care about all the young boys and girls getting blown up unexpectedly in a warzone..

FUCK THE U.S MEDIA!

This is why so many people get their news from the internet; you get to find out what you want, when you want it. If a website is taken down, it's archived and/or blogged, so you can still find it.

[chrisvet]

Well, in order to get intravenous treatments, you have to have written permission from your GP, and many hospitals do not offer the treatment. So, basically you already do need a prescription.




I prefer the term "Penis Artists."

I was referring to tablet for we buy off the shelf.

FUCK THE U.S MEDIA!

Fuck ourselves for selling 95% of our media to 6 mega corporations!

[chrisvet]

Just finished my first. I've heard stories about neuroanatomy though, last year about 5% managed to pass the exam. Can't wait till next semestre... :(

Sorry, missed your comment about vet school, congrats on a promising future.
The vet in my name is a hobby I have, corvettes.

[clutch-monkey]

Sorry, missed your comment about vet school, congrats on a promising future.
The vet in my name is a hobby I have, corvettes.

i figured as much after your C5 -> Z06 question a while back :bigwink:

[chrisvet]

And chrisvet, I'm doing my bachelor in veterinary science and I call tell you from my own experience, the intelligence of my professors is through the roof. Do you honestly believe that a gigantic community in which every member has studied for at least 7 years at a very high level would turn their back on this? If it broke ethical rules, some smartass would've find a way to bypass them.

Indeed, but it did Break ethical rules, and he was shunned for at least 2 years from memory.

Not to mention importing an organ from an animal into a human is pretty ridiculous. Importing an organ from a human into another human is hard enough as it is and I'm not even talking about the side-effects.

Not at all, my Dad's on his 2nd Pig valve in his heart, the first installed in 1989. Pigs tissue is very compatible with our own.


I'll believe you if you can get an article from a credible source, but this sounds more like conspiracy/urban legend bullshit to me.

Trust me bro, I watched it on National TV, and never bullshit people.
You want to hear some good news? 2 months ago somebody added this 6 part Canadian series to Youtube.

Here's Part 1 of 6 Diabetes Miracle Cure in Mexico (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s7aTcHdBOI)
Part 2 starts talking about transplanting pig cells into the human pancrease.

i figured as much after your C5 -> Z06 question a while back :bigwink:

I remember you 2 CM. Have you seen the vid of a the australian who built the fastest car in the world? 0 to 60 in 1 second, something like 2000 HP. :lol: Its on Youtube as well.

[clutch-monkey]

I remember you 2 CM. Have you seen the vid of a the australian who built the fastest car in the world? 0 to 60 in 1 second, something like 2000 HP. :lol: Its on Youtube as well.
i haven't, i'll go have a look. i actually saw a Z06 on the road for the first time in this country a few days back :ohnoes:

[McShady]

So it's okay to start smoking again?

[dialamo]

I remember you 2 CM. Have you seen the vid of a the australian who built the fastest car in the world? 0 to 60 in 1 second, something like 2000 HP. :lol: Its on Youtube as well.
I can't find the video, can you link me to it?

[chrisvet]

I can't find the video, can you link me to it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HGE6qfBvvw

[clutch-monkey]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HGE6qfBvvw

that guy's english dude :p

[chrisvet]

that guy's english dude :p

Doh! :bigwink:

[dialamo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HGE6qfBvvw
Thank you very much!

[Amadeus]

Sorry, missed your comment about vet school, congrats on a promising future.
The vet in my name is a hobby I have, corvettes.


You're a corvette doctor? Sweet Zombie Jesus!

[chrisvet]

Thank you very much!

Amazing isn't it?!!



and Amadeus: Hardy Har Har ;)

[Zazoo]

Indeed, but it did Break ethical rules, and he was shunned for at least 2 years from memory.

It didn't break any Mexican ethical rules, but apparently it broke some rules/laws in the international community (I think, it wasn't very clear in the documentary). I'm surprised by the reaction of other scientists, but then again, I kinda understand. He's not well-known at all in that area (he's "just" a surgeon), publications need to follow very strict rules (this was his first publication) and he claims he has discovered Nobel Prize material. It's only natural that any decent science-magazine would not publish his material. They have their reputation to think of.


Not at all, my Dad's on his 2nd Pig valve in his heart, the first installed in 1989. Pigs tissue is very compatible with our own.

A pig valve isn't an organ ;D. They just used some cells from a pig's pancreas and testes, which makes a lot more sense. Doctors do not advise diabetici to even accept a human transplant for a pancreas, because your body simply won't accept it and you'll end up using more medication than you did before.

Trust me bro, I watched it on National TV, and never bullshit people.
You want to hear some good news? 2 months ago somebody added this 6 part Canadian series to Youtube.

Here's Part 1 of 6 Diabetes Miracle Cure in Mexico (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s7aTcHdBOI)
Part 2 starts talking about transplanting pig cells into the human pancrease.

I'm a diabetic myself so I'm really excited about this. I'm sure it'll work out if it's really what that mexican dude says it is, especially now since that xenotransplant superstar laid his eyes on it (part 6).

What I don't understand is how those 16 year olds could already be in the "final stages" as they called it. I work out about 4-5 hours a week, I've never had any problem at all and I've had diabetes for 7 years now. The only people I know (and I know quite a few, when we have to the hospital for a checkup, we have to do these gay activities with the other patients. I just want to know my fucking results and get outta there!) that really are in trouble, are lazy fatasses that sit around all day hanging in front their computer eating crap that would even get a non-diabetic in the hospital.

I might have offended some people now, but sorry, that just the way it is.

Edit; About your friend that's in great shape and still went blind, I'm not sure what went wrong. I heard that they aim for higher sugar values in Northern America to prevent hypoglycemia, which could be the cause. In Europe we try to stay between 60 and 180.
It takes some intuition and basic knowledge about carbohydrates to work with diabetes. Could be that she was in great shape, but you still need to shoot the right amounts of insulin and learn to drop certain habits.

I'm still puzzled though.

[chrisvet]

It didn't break any Mexican ethical rules, but apparently it broke some rules/laws in the international community (I think, it wasn't very clear in the documentary). I'm surprised by the reaction of other scientists, but then again, I kinda understand.
Spot on, broke international ethical rules, and their reactions suprised me as well.

A pig valve isn't an organ .

I think you tricked me. :lol: And yes, I agree with the rest.



I'm a diabetic myself so I'm really excited about this. I'm sure it'll work out if it's really what that mexican dude says it is, especially now since that xenotransplant superstar laid his eyes on it (part 6). This is great news for you!!

What I don't understand is how those 16 year olds could already be in the "final stages" as they called it. I work out about 4-5 hours a week, I've never had any problem at all and I've had diabetes for 7 years now. The only people I know (and I know quite a few, when we have to the hospital for a checkup, we have to do these gay activities with the other patients. I just want to know my fucking results and get outta there!) that really are in trouble, are lazy fatasses that sit around all day hanging in front their computer eating crap that would even get a non-diabetic in the hospital.

I might have offended some people now, but sorry, that just the way it is

Fuck it, too many people have sticks up their asses. I wouldn't worry in the least. :boink: Good luck man, I hope this science comes your way soon (or you find it, whichever comes first.)

Edit; About your friend that's in great shape and still went blind, I'm not sure what went wrong. I heard that they aim for higher sugar values in Northern America to prevent hypoglycemia, which could be the cause. In Europe we try to stay between 60 and 180.
It takes some intuition and basic knowledge about carbohydrates to work with diabetes. Could be that she was in great shape, but you still need to shoot the right amounts of insulin and learn to drop certain habits.

I'm still puzzled thoughDeb had it pretty bad from early childhood. They took it so seriously she eventually moved to Alberta (Canadas capital for Diabetes research) to undergo a new proceedure (that I don't think worked.) From everything I know about her & her family, her health was always their #1 concern. (eg, I don't think there was neglect.)

[particlephysics]

YOU SHOULD CITE YOUR SOURCES AND THE CREDENTIALS OF YOUR STORIES BEFORE YOU POST STUFF. BESIDES THE CURE TO cancer would be stem cells if our christian government would allow stem cell research