Obama names foreign policy panel

[pimf]

These are the advisers on Obama's senior working group on national security. Change? Looks like more of the same to me. None for me thanks.

Rueters (http://www.reuters.com/article/asiaCrisis/idUSN18390929)


* MADELEINE ALBRIGHT- Served a secretary of state in former President Bill Clinton's administration and was a top adviser to the campaign of Obama's former rival, Hillary Clinton. Albright said sanctions that killed 500,000 Iraqi children was a worth it. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaWiMDGA8wg)

* DAVID BOREN - The former governor and senator from Oklahoma chaired the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.

* WARREN CHRISTOPHER - Was Bill Clinton's first secretary of state and also served as deputy secretary of state in the Carter administration.

* GREG CRAIG - Was a former senior adviser to Albright in the Clinton administration and later led the team defending Bill Clinton against the impeachment charges involving Clinton's affair with a White House intern. Despite long ties to both Bill and Hillary Clinton, Craig was an early supporter of Obama and has been part of his inner circle of advisers.

* RICHARD DANZIG - Served as secretary of the Navy under Bill Clinton and is an expert on counterterrorism.

* LEE HAMILTON - The former Indiana congressman co-chaired the blue-ribbon commission that investigated the Sept. 11 attacks and was a lead author of Iraq Study Group report that offered recommendations on Iraq to President George W. Bush in 2006.

* ERIC HOLDER - Was deputy attorney general in Bill Clinton's administration and is working with Caroline Kennedy, daughter of slain President John F. Kennedy, in helping to guide Obama's search for a vice presidential running mate.

* ANTHONY LAKE - Was national security adviser to Bill Clinton and has been part of the inner circle of Obama's campaign.

* SAM NUNN - A former senator from Georgia who chaired the Senate Armed Services Committee, Nunn has long been viewed as a leading Democratic voice on foreign policy and some have speculated he might be looked at by Obama as a potential running mate.

* WILLIAM PERRY - Was secretary of defense under Bill Clinton.

* SUSAN RICE - The former assistant secretary of state for African Affairs is Obama's senior foreign policy adviser.

* TIM ROEMER - The former Indiana congressman was a member of the 9/11 commission.

* JAMES STEINBERG - Was deputy national security adviser to Bill Clinton.

[Shameless]

This isn't the list for positions in the White House, should he be elected. It's just a list of advisers he can turn to strictly as a candidate to ask q's about foreign policy. So obviously he will choose those who've been in the FP game for a while.

Who would you like for him to choose?

[pimf]

Who would you like for him to choose?

That's a good question. Maybe some people who weren't involved in the Clinton Administration and the 9/11 Commission perhaps?

[TFS]

That's a good question. Maybe some people who weren't involved in the Clinton Administration and the 9/11 Commission perhaps?

What's wrong with them?

[Shameless]

That's a good question. Maybe some people who weren't involved in the Clinton Administration and the 9/11 Commission perhaps?

What if those people are the most qualified to advise Obama?

In fact, let's take a look at the ones you highlighted:

MADELEINE ALBRIGHT: She has been the FP adviser to candidates Ferraro and Dukakis, she was abassador to the UN, she was Secretary of State, she was heavily involved in the conflicts of Bosnia, Kosovo, Rwanda, etc, and has personally met with Kim Jong-il.

She is one of the most experienced women in foreign politics in the history of the US.

Oh, and she personally apologized for her statement regarding the children, calling it "a terrible mistake, hasty, clumsy, and wrong...no one’s fault but my own." Source. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madeleine_Albright#United_States_Ambassador_to_the _United_Nations)

GREG CRAIG: Ted Kennedy's Senior Advisor on Defense, Foreign Policy and National Security issues, senior advisor to Albright, has been closely involved in Tibetan issues

A major player in liberal foreign policy, with lots of loyalty to the dem party.

LEE HAMILTON: Member of the HoR for 34 years, chaired House Committee on Foreign Affairs and the U.S. House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, Dem co-chair of Iraq Study Group that blasted the "progress" in Iraq.

A longstanding Dem with tons of connections in politics, and a strong stance against the war in Iraq.

ANTHONY LAKE: One of Clinton's chief foreign policy advisers, credited with helping end Bosnian War, has been involved in foreign politics since 1965 on and off.

A major player in foreign policy who has successfully ending two seemingly intractable conflicts.

WILLIAM PERRY: This guy has been through it all, too much to type. Just check his wiki page:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Perry#Foreign_relations

Former Secretary of Defense, loooooong history with creating successful alliances with foreign countries.

TIM ROEMER: Senator for 25 years, involved in creation of DHS (although opposed final version)

Moderate with lots of political experience; also integral in creation of current national security system.

JAMES STEINBERG: Former Deputy National Security Advisor

Extremely well educated former Deputy National Security Advisor, with strong ties to academia as the dean of the LBJ School of Public Affairs.

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Okay, each of these men and women are extremely well qualified for the position they now hold in the Obama campaign. They have each been a major part of current policy formation (both for and against it), and each has many years of hands on experience dealing with foreign powers.

Now, tell me why you think Obama chose wrong.

[pimf]

What's wrong with them?

Albright is regarded by many people as a war criminal especially when she got up on national tv and advocated ethnic cleansing. That's pretty sick don't you think? And with her background and education, she says she didn't know she was Jewish? C'mon :rolleyes:

Now, tell me why you think Obama chose wrong.


Well you want my opinion? We should be getting away from anything that has to do with the Bushs and the Clintons.

[TFS]

Albright is regarded by many people as a war criminal especially when she got up on national tv and advocated ethnic cleansing. That's pretty sick don't you think? And with her background and education, she says she didn't know she was Jewish? C'mon :rolleyes:



Well you want my opinion? We should be getting away from anything that has to do with the Bushs and the Clintons.

I want proof of all this, please.

[Nickster]

Albright is regarded by many people as a war criminal especially when she got up on national tv and advocated ethnic cleansing. That's pretty sick don't you think? And with her background and education, she says she didn't know she was Jewish? C'mon :rolleyes:


What the fuck does this matter?

[Shameless]

Well you want my opinion? We should be getting away from anything that has to do with the Bushs and the Clintons.

Are you kidding me? If you want someone who didn't work foreign policy under Bush or Clinton, you are looking for someone who hasn't worked in 20 years.

And I would love for you to answer TFS' question. Thanks.

[chrisvet]

That's a good question. Maybe some people who weren't involved in the Clinton Administration and the 9/11 Commission perhaps?

I see what your argument is, which boils down to a group of people you're not thrilled with. I can see where you're coming from, especially given the horrible job the 911 commission did IMO. It would be great if you could dig some shit up on these guys and post it.

[pimf]

I want proof of all this, please.

Madeline Albright to me is like the female Henry Kissinger, in fact she attended the Bilderberg conference few weeks ago. Since she is advising Senator Obama, that pretty much tells you that war with Iran is definitely on the table. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/10/08/madeleine-albright-war-o_n_67526.html) As for her advocating ethnic cleansing, just go here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaWiMDGA8wg)

Albright's Jewish surprise - NY Times (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9400EFD61E3FF93AA25751C0A9619582 60&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all)


When Michael Dobbs of The Washington Post first reported that Ms. Albright's parents were Jewish converts to Catholicism and that she had lost three of her grandparents (among other close relatives) to the Holocaust, she pronounced these revelations ''obviously a major surprise.''

I don't think she was fooling many people :rolleyes:

It would be great if you could dig some shit up on these guys and post it.

I'm going to post it on my blog as soon as McCain's foreign policy advisers list comes out just to show that there is little difference between the two candidates when it comes to foreign policy.

[TFS]

Madeline Albright to me is like the female Henry Kissinger, in fact she attended the Bilderberg conference few weeks ago. Since she is advising Senator Obama, that pretty much tells you that war with Iran is definitely on the table. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/10/08/madeleine-albright-war-o_n_67526.html) As for her advocating ethnic cleansing, just go here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaWiMDGA8wg)

Your first source:

Former US secretary of state Madeleine Albright does not rule out a war against Iran in the nuclear dispute between Tehran and the international community.

'This last resort can never be given up completely,' the Czech-born Albright who also served as US ambassador to the United Nations, told Prague-based CT1 television.

'First negotiation has to take place, although Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad says terrible things,' she insisted.

The 70-year-old described the situation in Iraq as 'worse than Vietnam at the time'. Albright also criticized the situation as 'the worst legacy' of outgoing US President George W. Bush.

That does not at all say anything about Iranian war being inevitable. In fact it implies that she regrets having to admit that it can't be ruled out as a last resort after diplomacy is used if diplomacy fails.

In your second source, that youtube vid, the quote in question is that "the price we think the price is worth it." But there's a very obvious cut slip between "the price we think" and "the price is worth it" with the latter half spoken like it has a question mark at the end of it. This is hardly a good source. Not to mention 60 Minutes got busted for doing a horrible editing job in an interview to make it look like he admitted to using steroids on air.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SQfx-tKRiJU

That's just not a credible source anymore.

Albright's Jewish surprise - NY Times (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9400EFD61E3FF93AA25751C0A9619582 60&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all)



I don't think she was fooling many people :rolleyes:

Maybe her parents never told her much about her family history. Hell, my grandparents are hardpressed to answer questions I have going back past their grandparents' lives. Some of those things are difficult to talk about for people, so I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't know.

Plus, her religion has shit-all to do with anything.

I'm going to post it on my blog as soon as McCain's foreign policy advisers list comes out just to show that there is little difference between the two candidates when it comes to foreign policy.

Yeah, you do that...because your blog is the pinnacle of news, information, and analysis for ALL humanity. If we could just get people with a lifetime in professionally conducting international politics to read your blog, we'd be laughing, dancing, and singing in chocolate rivers with gumdrop smiles in no time.

[Chupacabra]

Obama is a classic politician, McCain is a classic politician, get the fuck used to it. America is fucking dead

[pimf]

Yeah, you do that...because your blog is the pinnacle of news, information, and analysis for ALL humanity. If we could just get people with a lifetime in professionally conducting international politics to read your blog, we'd be laughing, dancing, and singing in chocolate rivers with gumdrop smiles in no time.

I never asked you or anyone else to read my blog, so I don't know you even brought that up.

Second, you demanded sources and I delivered, and now you want to dismiss them as not credible. Did you think I was just making shit up and wouldn't be able to back up my statements? You're too much.

[TFS]

I never asked you or anyone else to read my blog, so I don't know you even brought that up.

Second, you demanded sources and I delivered, and now you want to dismiss them as not credible. Did you think I was just making shit up and wouldn't be able to back up my statements? You're too much.

The first source didn't prove anything, unless you were trying to prove your statement about her meaning war with Iran was inevitable. She clearly stated that was the last thing she wanted to happen but was still potentially an outcome.

That CNN clip was so badly butchered in the clips of her comments it actually did show I can't help but question its credibility since CNN already has been proven to willfully alter what people say in the editing room to make the news instead of just report news...especially since the rest of it was all "quotes" from her that have no references listed for anyone to check them.

Your sources were crap, it's not my fault.

YOU brought your blog up as if to say you'd post what Chris wants there, not me. The fact that you keep a blog is kind of silly. Seriously...how many hits do you get?

[Spike Lee]

I have a blog too. But I've gotten a small number of hits.