Young Inexperienced Voters

[The Inmate]

Well, being a young inexperienced voter, i really do not know what to look out for. I have my own views and i know what i want and i dont want to ask somone who would be a president to look for...

what i am getting at is...which future president will lower the gas prices. Thats a big one for me, im not trying to spend 8 bucks for a gallon of gas, ya know. And, i'm agaisnt the war, i am also pro-choice...i mean, is that bad that i am for the war but agaisnt pro-choice?

I dunno, is there a website that gives you facts on each candidate on how they are going to run the country? etc.

what other advice should come into play?

i cam here in this forum because i have the feeling that people in here are smart enough/intelligent enough to give an answer...

[k0n_]

:lmao: Lowering gas prices. The presidents have little to no control over gas prices.

dont forget
Immigrants
Health Care

[The Inmate]

:lmao: Lowering gas prices. The presidents have little to no control over gas prices.

dont forget
Immigrants
Health Care


lol, like i said inexperienced....but im sure maybe they can help with it or somthing? they are the president for christ sake

[RondoAllegro]

I'm not even old enough to vote yet I know that ALL of the current candidates are dipshits aka none appeal to me. They're all an insult to my intelligence. :preachon:

[Mr. Heskey]

And, i'm agaisnt the war, i am also pro-choice...i mean, is that bad that i am for the war but agaisnt pro-choice?



...come again? :squint:

[EvaMonkey]

Vote for the one who looks the nicest on TV, because we all know that's all that matters in politics.

[Mahalo]

Flip a coin.

[GALLIENVS AVG]

You can go to the candidates' websites for information, Wikipedia actually has decent political positions pages as well. There are also some websites which will ask you questions on your stances and then compare them with candidates, such as this one: www.electoralcompass.com I am too young to vote in this election, unfortunately.

[shade]

Don't worry. Your choices have already been made for you. If you vote for McCain or Obama there will be little to no real difference.

The real election was done for the past year in the primaries where there were actually different candidates with substantive differences of opinion.


I suggest you soak up as much knowledge as possible before the next round of voting. Perhaps even buy a book: http://www.amazon.com/Revolution-Manifesto-Ron-Paul/dp/0446537519/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1214079872&sr=8-1

[Spike Lee]

Don't worry. Your choices have already been made for you. If you vote for McCain or Obama there will be little to no real difference.

The real election was done for the past year in the primaries where there were actually different candidates with substantive differences of opinion.


I suggest you soak up as much knowledge as possible before the next round of voting. Perhaps even buy a book: http://www.amazon.com/Revolution-Manifesto-Ron-Paul/dp/0446537519/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1214079872&sr=8-1

Whatever you do don't believe this guy. This type of apathy is hurting our politics and so is the belief that our choices are out of our hand.

[Shameless]

Don't worry. Your choices have already been made for you. If you vote for McCain or Obama there will be little to no real difference.

The real election was done for the past year in the primaries where there were actually different candidates with substantive differences of opinion.


I suggest you soak up as much knowledge as possible before the next round of voting. Perhaps even buy a book: http://www.amazon.com/Revolution-Manifesto-Ron-Paul/dp/0446537519/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1214079872&sr=8-1

How are Obama and McCain so similar?

And surprise, surprise, a RP book. How 'bout that.

[BlueQuarter]

:lmao: Lowering gas prices. The presidents have little to no control over gas prices.

dont forget
Immigrants
Health Care

I know. lol.

I HATE when people blame Bush for the high gas prices.. Before and during the war.

[shade]

Whatever you do don't believe this guy. This type of apathy is hurting our politics and so is the belief that our choices are out of our hand.

Wow did you just call me apathetic? I guess there is a first time for everything.

How are Obama and McCain so similar?

And surprise, surprise, a RP book. How 'bout that.

Yes an rp book. It explains his positions which do not fit in sound bites. You would do yourself a favor to read it so you can actually understand where he is coming from.

Obama and McCain are both in the council on foreign relations and will do whatever they are told to do by their frat.

[chrisvet]

Don't worry. Your choices have already been made for you. If you vote for McCain or Obama there will be little to no real difference.

The real election was done for the past year in the primaries where there were actually different candidates with substantive differences of opinion.


I suggest you soak up as much knowledge as possible before the next round of voting. Perhaps even buy a book: http://www.amazon.com/Revolution-Manifesto-Ron-Paul/dp/0446537519/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1214079872&sr=8-1

Whatever you do believe this guy, because he 'gets it.' And as we all know, only a small handful of people go through their lives who actually 'get it.'

And Spike, Shameless: For the 549th time: Obama / McCain, same big gov't bullshit, same huge deficeits, same downward spiral for Americans, same victim industry, same societal decay, same police state direction, same currency devaluation, same GWB bullshit. Americans are being bred into helpless dependent morons incapable of thinking for themselves, and the 2 candidates you support are doing everything to ensure the downward spiral continues.

I see an ever expanding perma boom for the elites, and a permanent downswing for the rest of us unless drastic measures are made to reduce gov't size & spending.

[The Inmate]

it said i should vote for hillary..i know i cant anyway...but i still wouldnt vote for her..shes a woman..idc ;)

[GALLIENVS AVG]

it said i should vote for hillary..i know i cant anyway...but i still wouldnt vote for her..shes a woman..idc ;)


Make sure you watch the debates in the coming months, and decide for yourself. Just don't get sucked into the whole presidential personality gimmick like most of America. It seems like most people don't care about the issues, they just care about how "cool" the candidate is or how he looks.

[Mr. Heskey]

Make sure you watch the debates in the coming months, and decide for yourself. Just don't get sucked into the whole presidential personality gimmick like most of America. It seems like most people don't care about the issues, they just care about how "cool" the candidate is or how he looks.

Try telling that to the under 21 crowd, who (most of which) have been sucked into Obamamania without a clue as to what his policies are.

[The Inmate]

Try telling that to the under 21 crowd, who (most of which) have been sucked into Obamamania without a clue as to what his policies are.

yeah, i think thats me...

[Mr. Heskey]

yeah, i think thats me...

And almost EVERY speech I hear, it is all rhetoric. Change this, change that. Hope this, hope that. I know the guy has policies, but care to enlighten us there Mr. Obama? What exactly are you going to change and why exactly should we be hopeful?

I can see why it's easy for the uneducated masses to flock to him like a cult.

[GALLIENVS AVG]

And almost EVERY speech I hear, it is all rhetoric. Change this, change that. Hope this, hope that. I know the guy has policies, but care to enlighten us there Mr. Obama? What exactly are you going to change and why exactly should we be hopeful?

I can see why it's easy for the uneducated masses to flock to him like a cult.

Exactly, and he's on C-SPAN right now. McCain is up next.

[chrisvet]

And almost EVERY speech I hear, it is all rhetoric. Change this, change that. Hope this, hope that. I know the guy has policies, but care to enlighten us there Mr. Obama? What exactly are you going to change and why exactly should we be hopeful?

I can see why it's easy for the uneducated masses to flock to him like a cult.

Its fuckin' change man! I have no idea what he's going to Change, but its Change! You votin' for change? I'm makin' a change, join Obama's team, things are gonna change!

[GALLIENVS AVG]

Its fuckin' change man! I have no idea what he's going to Change, but its Change! You votin' for change? I'm makin' a change, join Obama's team, things are gonna change!

Unfortunately, this actually sounds like a transcript from 99% of the people I know who are voting for Obama.

"Why do you support Obama?"

"Change, man! We need change!"

Or

"Barack Obama is just the man for the job. I like where he's going."

That's nice, it's just too bad you don't know shit about his policies.

[PsiRedEye22]

One could also argue we know exactly what McCain stands for as well. It's again an election of voting for the lesser of two evils.

[pudgmo]

i'm agaisnt the war, i am also pro-choice...i mean, is that bad that i am for the war but agaisnt pro-choice?

wah?


I dunno, is there a website that gives you facts on each candidate on how they are going to run the country? etc.

OH! I know this one!
http://forum.ebaumsworld.com/showthread.php?t=251715

And almost EVERY speech I hear, it is all rhetoric. Change this, change that. Hope this, hope that. I know the guy has policies, but care to enlighten us there Mr. Obama? What exactly are you going to change and why exactly should we be hopeful?

I can see why it's easy for the uneducated masses to flock to him like a cult.
This is just as vague as you're accusing him of being. Have you enlightened yourself? Or are you regurgitating something you heard on talk radio?
Have you a problem with some of his policies? Do you know what they are?

As for Obama being the same old song...

Thursday, December 13, 2007
“Today, we mark an important milestone on the path to greater government transparency,” Senator Obama said. “This site helps us to achieve a very simple and powerful vision: a vision that, in a democracy, people ought to know how their government is operating. This isn’t Democratic vision or a Republican vision. It’s a vision that rejects the idea that government actions and decisions should be kept secret.http://obama.senate.gov/press/071213-coburn_and_obam/
That type of policy means a lot to me.

[Fungus Amungus]

There is some decisions the government makes that HAVE to be secret.

[pudgmo]

No there isn't.

[Mr. Heskey]

No there isn't.

Yes, let's let everyone know where the government has hidden each and every one of our nukes.

[Eaglefan9727]

I HATE when people blame Bush for the high gas prices.. Before and during the war.

Just kinda strange that a barrel of oil has gone up about $100 since Bush took office. Just making a fact here, So take it what its worth.

[pudgmo]

Yes, let's let everyone know where the government has hidden each and every one of our nukes.
You mean the military? He's not talking about national defense secrets.

[Spike Lee]

Yes, let's let everyone know where the government has hidden each and every one of our nukes.

For someone who wants to be in the military, you sure aren't briefed in what is truly classified.

[chrisvet]

Unfortunately, this actually sounds like a transcript from 99% of the people I know who are voting for Obama.

"Why do you support Obama?"

"Change, man! We need change!"

Or

"Barack Obama is just the man for the job. I like where he's going."

That's nice, it's just too bad you don't know shit about his policies.

Have you got some spare change?

[silentz]

No president will lower gas prices.

No president will pull out of Iraq anytime soon.

No president will fix the economy.

Just vote for who you like, or who your immediate friends/family like out of fear and to fit in.

[Buddha Bukakke!]

I'm not even old enough to vote yet I know that ALL of the current candidates are dipshits aka none appeal to me. They're all an insult to my intelligence. :preachon:
Yet you claim you roll with the Berkeley/Princeton crowd? gtfo.

Until the US stops being Saudi Arabia's bitch, the president has no effect on gas prices.

[pantomime]

I'm pretty sure if they didn't think "teenagers" were smart enough to know how to vote they just wouldn't let them vote. Dude, your vote is a personal thing. Base it on whatever you want and ignore things you don't care so much about.

And another thing... I freakin hate when people yell and scream for "change". What the fuck is change? Things are actually pretty good right now seeing as we're free and all that other shit we take for granted. I don't want somebody to come into office and start fucking everything up just to have "change". There's a whole lot more room for things to be worse than there is for things to be better so would somebody please be grateful for what they have. God damnit. Fuck.

[Dayve]

Don't ask other people to give you advice on this subject, they will only try to convince you to vote for the candidate they're backing.

Look at who is running, what they are doing, what you like and don't like about them, etc.

You'll have to weigh up the bad and the good, because you will never find one you agree with 100%. The way it usually goes, you will be picking the candidate you hate the LEAST, because they always suck.

I don't bother voting at all. I'm on minimum wage and don't have any education beyond high school or any qualifications, although i'm working on that, but with my job it will take at least another 10 years for me to make anything decent of myself. There is nobody in politics who would represent or look out for the likes of me, so i don't give a flying fuck who gets in.

[chrisvet]

Don't ask other people to give you advice on this subject, they will only try to convince you to vote for the candidate they're backing.

Look at who is running, what they are doing, what you like and don't like about them, etc.

You'll have to weigh up the bad and the good, because you will never find one you agree with 100%. The way it usually goes, you will be picking the candidate you hate the LEAST, because they always suck.
.

Right again Dayve, it was inevitable this thread would become a sales pitch. I feel so dirty. :lol:

[Mr. Heskey]

Just kinda strange that a barrel of oil has gone up about $100 since Bush took office. Just making a fact here, So take it what its worth.

A gallon of gas was ~$2.00/gallon when there was a republican controlled congress.

Ever since Pelosi & Co. have taken over, it has shot up.

[YouEnjoyMyself]

A gallon of gas was ~$2.00/gallon when there was a republican controlled congress.

Ever since Pelosi & Co. have taken over, it has shot up.

Show us how the Democrats made the price of fuel go up.

[Mr. Heskey]

Show us how the Democrats made the price of fuel go up.

Just reiterating what the guy said above me.

Again, not blaming the huge fuel cost on the democrats. Just merely pointing out a pertinent fact.


Association does not imply causation.


Which is why I'm incredibly skeptical about climate change too.

[Nocturnal]

A gallon of gas was ~$2.00/gallon when there was a republican controlled congress.

Ever since Pelosi & Co. have taken over, it has shot up.

True, but tiger attacks in the US are at record lows.

Democrats...bad for gas prices, bad for tigers.

[pudgmo]

Have you got some spare change?
:lol::lol::lol::lmao:
That reminded me of this.
Black Guy Asks Nation For Change (http://www.theonion.com/content/news/black_guy_asks_nation_for_change)

Gotta love the Onion.

[The Inmate]

i think im taking the republican in this race...

obama just seems to much of a pussy

[Azwethinkweizm]

No president will lower gas prices.

No president will pull out of Iraq anytime soon.

No president will fix the economy.

Just vote for who you like, or who your immediate friends/family like out of fear and to fit in.

I'm surprised that so many people are complaining about gas prices.

Gas prices are at the price that they should be! You guys are just like the rednecks outside of wal-mart who want cheaper and cheaper goods when it's already really low.

At the interest rate and the value of the dollar, $4 a gallon of gas is fucking cheap.

[The Inmate]

I'm surprised that so many people are complaining about gas prices.

Gas prices are at the price that they should be! You guys are just like the rednecks outside of wal-mart who want cheaper and cheaper goods when it's already really low.

At the interest rate and the value of the dollar, $4 a gallon of gas is fucking cheap.

i dunno dude, i mean, i dont know my shit but in other countries gas is sooooo much cheaper then it is in the US...

[Yuseke]

i dunno dude, i mean, i dont know my shit but in other countries gas is sooooo much cheaper then it is in the US...

Well...you need to make sure that the countries you're looking at aren't doing it in liters because it can look cheap, but it may atually be high when you turn those liters into gallons. Also, don't include China in your argument because I'm pretty sure government sanctions is what's keeping station owners from raiding the prices.

[ROFLStomp]

One thing I would like to know about the whole gas prices thing is....isn't it a good thing that the prices are high for global warming? Less people want to buy gas, less CO2, more interest in alternative fuels. Except you don't hear Al Gore and his cronies talking about this at all, and all Congress wants to do is make the prices go down so people buy more gas...Jesus!

Another reason why I find Global warming blown out of proportion.

[Henkie]

One thing I would like to know about the whole gas prices thing is....isn't it a good thing that the prices are high for global warming? Less people want to buy gas, less CO2, more interest in alternative fuels. Except you don't hear Al Gore and his cronies talking about this at all, and all Congress wants to do is make the prices go down so people buy more gas...Jesus!

Another reason why I find Global warming blown out of proportion.

For some strange reason, people don't really stop buying oil when the prises rise, they just pay more and cut back on other stuff, yet when the prices for oil drop, we all start using more of the stuff.

[Azwethinkweizm]

i dunno dude, i mean, i dont know my shit but in other countries gas is sooooo much cheaper then it is in the US...

Somebody didn't graduate from high school. Gas prices in canada are $1.38 per liter.

1 gallon = 3.785 liters

($1.38 / 1 L) = ($x.xx / 3.785 L)
$x.xx = $5.22 per 3.785 L or $5.22 per gallon

Gas prices are $4.00 per gallon in USA.



Gas prices are cheap.

[shade]

For some strange reason, people don't really stop buying oil when the prises rise, they just pay more and cut back on other stuff, yet when the prices for oil drop, we all start using more of the stuff.

This is incorrect.

Gasoline consumption went down 2.7% last month.

[wra]

For some strange reason, people don't really stop buying oil when the prises rise, they just pay more and cut back on other stuff, yet when the prices for oil drop, we all start using more of the stuff.

Right. Because we don't live in a tiny country. We live in a large country. Larger countries have more land and more people who do not live 5 miles away from work. Many live 10, 15, even 30 miles away and require cars to get to work. Of course we will be buying oil and cutting back in other places. If we want to get around our cities many of which have larger populations than Holland itself, we need our cars.

As shade said, we do conserve but we also require our cars far more than a country like yours because of our size.

[FugginBastid]

Google 'Resko Conviction', and after you do some DD, I think you'll know EXACTLY who to vote for. And if that's not enough, Google 'Windfall profits tax'.

[particlephysics]

its obvious why there are inexperience voters is because they dont vote, 2nd they dont watch the news or newspaper because all they do is come home from work or school is to sleep or play games. And most young people have a personal bias agaisnt a certain candidate or a law

[Henkie]

Right. Because we don't live in a tiny country. We live in a large country. Larger countries have more land and more people who do not live 5 miles away from work. Many live 10, 15, even 30 miles away and require cars to get to work. Of course we will be buying oil and cutting back in other places. If we want to get around our cities many of which have larger populations than Holland itself, we need our cars.

As shade said, we do conserve but we also require our cars far more than a country like yours because of our size.

It wasn't critisism, it's a general remark. Consumption decreases of oil in general almost never even approach growth in prices.

[wra]

It wasn't critisism, it's a general remark. Consumption decreases of oil in general almost never even approach growth in prices.

I didn't take it as criticism. I took it as you being geniunely confused.

[Henkie]

I didn't take it as criticism. I took it as you being geniunely confused.

Well, now I'm honestly confused...

About what exactly would I be confused, except ofcourse your statement?

[wra]

Well, now I'm honestly confused...

About what exactly would I be confused, except ofcourse your statement?

You said For some strange reason, people don't really stop buying oil when the prises rise, they just pay more and cut back on other stuff, yet when the prices for oil drop, we all start using more of the stuff.

I tried to explain to you the US is different because of its size. People need their cars far more than they do in tinier countries such as your own so they will sacrifice more to keep them running than someone who lives in a much smaller area. When more oil is around, people buy more and travel more, hence the correlation.

Hope that clears it up for you.

[MurdocUSA]

The best advice I could give you is to depart this forum and never ever return. The opinions of many of the people here are so off base I wonder if they even live on the same planet as the rest of us.

The people you find here will warp your young mind so fiercely that by the time the elections come around you will be shouting “ala acbar” and burning American flags.

Believe nothing that your hear, and only half of what you see. Get the facts before you make up your mind and go independent, neither party has the balls to do what is necessary to fix our problems.

[Spike Lee]

The best advice I could give you is to depart this forum and never ever return. The opinions of many of the people her are so off base I wonder if they even live on the same planet as the rest of us.

The people you find here will warp your young mind so fiercely that by the time the elections come around you will be shouting “USA USA" without regard to the situation and put pictures of Ronald Reagan on a mantle.

Be skeptical of what your hear, and ready for what you see. Research everything from its original source and look into political science journals. And whatever you do, be careful of slogans and sayings.

[MurdocUSA]

The best advice I could give you is to depart this forum and never ever return. The opinions of many of the people her are so off base I wonder if they even live on the same planet as the rest of us.

The people you find here will warp your young mind so fiercely that by the time the elections come around you will be shouting “USA USA" without regard to the situation and put pictures of Ronald Reagan on a mantle.

Be skeptical of what your hear, and ready for what you see. Research everything from its original source and look into political science journals. And whatever you do, be careful of slogans and sayings.

Hey, I never excluded myself from that statement ;)

[Fungus Amungus]

It's ok Spike Lee tends to think every republican, conservative or libertarian is snickering at him.

[ChristopherM]

Well, being a young inexperienced voter, i really do not know what to look out for. I have my own views and i know what i want and i dont want to ask somone who would be a president to look for...

what i am getting at is...which future president will lower the gas prices. Thats a big one for me, im not trying to spend 8 bucks for a gallon of gas, ya know. And, i'm agaisnt the war, i am also pro-choice...i mean, is that bad that i am for the war but agaisnt pro-choice?

I dunno, is there a website that gives you facts on each candidate on how they are going to run the country? etc.

what other advice should come into play?

i cam here in this forum because i have the feeling that people in here are smart enough/intelligent enough to give an answer...

There is no way Obama will drill. Which is what we need to do already. We also need nuclear energy like France, which has almost 80% of its electric coming from nuclear plants.

This is a little old. I believe McCain said he would drill in Anwar now.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gF1ulxhgHBB7Fr0LKa4pA0zVeXCQD912TUT80

But look at Obama's plans. They cost A LOT of money. They will definitely raise taxes a lot. That is the problem with socialism. Hard working people have to pay for the lazy to live. Like health care. That is not what America is about. It is about seizing the opportunities here.

[Henkie]

You said For some strange reason, people don't really stop buying oil when the prises rise, they just pay more and cut back on other stuff, yet when the prices for oil drop, we all start using more of the stuff.

I tried to explain to you the US is different because of its size. People need their cars far more than they do in tinier countries such as your own so they will sacrifice more to keep them running than someone who lives in a much smaller area. When more oil is around, people buy more and travel more, hence the correlation.

Hope that clears it up for you.

You're explaining why I'm right? Anyways, it's the wrong explaination because the statement goes for roughly the entire western world, both the USA and large parts of Europe.

[Spike Lee]

It's ok Spike Lee tends to think every republican, conservative or libertarian is snickering at him.

Oh yes, that must be it.:rolleyes:

[wra]

You're explaining why I'm right? Anyways, it's the wrong explaination because the statement goes for roughly the entire western world, both the USA and large parts of Europe.

I don't know how I can explain it more plainly.

You acted as if you were confused. I tried to answer your question.

And I highly doubt oil consumption in tiny countries such as your own in Europe is on par with the United States so I fail to see how you can combine the two continents in your response.

[Henkie]

I don't know how I can explain it more plainly.

You acted as if you were confused. I tried to answer your question.

And I highly doubt oil consumption in tiny countries such as your own in Europe is on par with the United States so I fail to see how you can combine the two continents in your response.

The original statement was about change in prices and change in consumption of oil. I made a general statement about the two, that applies to the entire western world. This has nothing to do with differences in total oil consumption between the US and Europe. That you applied my statement only to total consumption and only in the US, although my statement refered to neither, was what confused me.

[Fungus Amungus]

Oh yes, that must be it.:rolleyes:

It's ok babe.