Is this what happens when Cameras take over?

[wra]

I'm all for security but banning hats?

Pubs in Yorkshire have been ordered to ban people from wearing flat caps or other hats so troublemakers can be more easily recognised.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2085192/Hats-banned-from-Yorkshire-pubs-over-CCTV-fears.html

[rand0m]

Good, hopefully it will deter those kind of people all together. Using hoodies, baseball caps etc is a commonly used technique to intentially avoid been caught by CCTV.

[chrisvet]

I'm all for security but banning hats?

Pubs in Yorkshire have been ordered to ban people from wearing flat caps or other hats so troublemakers can be more easily recognised.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2085192/Hats-banned-from-Yorkshire-pubs-over-CCTV-fears.html

Big brother, coming to a city near you.

[Mugatu]

Damn those clever criminals and their stylish hats. Finally politicians are making real progress when it comes to cutting down on crime. Out of curiosity, does this mean I can't wear silly putty on my face anymore? Will ugly people be pulled aside to participate in a "random inspection" to make sure they are not wearing any type of mask?

[BJ and UT5]

I don't get it. So, if you're a criminal who is planning on robbing the place are you really going to care about the other law on the books that makes you take your hat off when you walk in to a bar? This doesn't make any sense.

[Face Plant]

What about a top hat, monocle, speedo and thigh high riding boots, can I wear that?

[Suspiria]

so i shouldn't be allowed to wear a hat because i might commit a crime and the police wouldn't be able to recognize me if i had my hat on? im pretty sure they could still wear hats in 1984; ill have to consult the text.

[jn_powell]

Do toupees count?

[mr.wow]

What about turbans? TURBANNNNNNS!

[BlueMind]

This is unreal.

[EVO_9MR]

What about the little jewish hats, forget what theyre called

[GALLIENVS AVG]

What about the little jewish hats, forget what theyre called

Yarmulke? That's an interesting question. However, they might be accepted because they don't block the face.

How about Muslims wearing turbans?


EDIT: And someone already said that above.

[Dayve]

Most shops already ask that you remove anything that would hide your face while you're in there.

It has nothing to do with big brother, so you Americans looking for just more fodder to insult a country a zillion times smaller like you always do, stuff something long and fat in your mouth, i'm bored of it.

The fact is; a lot of crime happens in pubs in the UK. People get stabbed, fights break out, things are stolen, etc. Just like in shopping centers, where every inch of every shop and every street is covered by cameras. Do you know why they're plastered with cameras? Because there's lots of crime, and cameras increases the chances of catching the criminals responsible for it.

As for the rest of Britain, all there are are speed cameras, and they aren't CCTV, they just take a picture when the sensor picks up a driver breaking the law by going over the speed limit.

[American Infidel]

Most shops already ask that you remove anything that would hide your face while you're in there.

It has nothing to do with big brother, so you Americans looking for just more fodder to insult a country a zillion times smaller like you always do, stuff something long and fat in your mouth, i'm bored of it.

The fact is; a lot of crime happens in pubs in the UK. People get stabbed, fights break out, things are stolen, etc. Just like in shopping centers, where every inch of every shop and every street is covered by cameras. Do you know why they're plastered with cameras? Because there's lots of crime, and cameras increases the chances of catching the criminals responsible for it.

As for the rest of Britain, all there are are speed cameras, and they aren't CCTV, they just take a picture when the sensor picks up a driver breaking the law by going over the speed limit.

First of all...aren't knives banned in the UK now?

Second...are you, the anarchist, actually defending the government?

[Acidic Piss]

You'are an ignorant prick if you where a hat in a pub anyway.

[jonnykill]

Ban mullets before hats please.

[Mugatu]

Most shops already ask that you remove anything that would hide your face while you're in there.

It has nothing to do with big brother, so you Americans looking for just more fodder to insult a country a zillion times smaller like you always do, stuff something long and fat in your mouth, i'm bored of it.

The fact is; a lot of crime happens in pubs in the UK. People get stabbed, fights break out, things are stolen, etc. Just like in shopping centers, where every inch of every shop and every street is covered by cameras. Do you know why they're plastered with cameras? Because there's lots of crime, and cameras increases the chances of catching the criminals responsible for it.

As for the rest of Britain, all there are are speed cameras, and they aren't CCTV, they just take a picture when the sensor picks up a driver breaking the law by going over the speed limit.

Not everyone here is American and I still think its an idiotic law. Someone who wants to commit a crime isnt going to be deterred by not wearing a cap (Im gangsta yo). Perhaps politicians want to enact this law because so far these cameras haven't amounted to much other then a waist of tax payer money. Sounds like a last ditch effort to me.

Im just glad Toronto abandoned the idea to place permanent cameras in its streets. It all rose out of hysteria when a girl was shot by some drive by gangsters on boxing day. Something tells me if they are willing to fire bullets on a day as populated as that, an extra camera wont do jack.

[jn_powell]

It has nothing to do with big brother, so you Americans looking for just more fodder to insult a country a zillion times smaller like you always do, stuff something long and fat in your mouth, i'm bored of it.
Interesting. No one said anything negative about your country, yet you immediately get defensive. Calm the fuck down. And the fact is this IS big brother when the government tells private businesses what they can and cannot allow their patrons to wear in their place of business, short ofcourse of obscene material, which I doubt hats are.

[wra]

Ban mullets before hats please.

Here here!

Dayve,

I don't understand your attitude. This story would be important no matter where this was happening. You seriously have no problem with the government playing a role in what you wear on your head and when?

[Dayve]

Here here!

Dayve,

I don't understand your attitude. This story would be important no matter where this was happening. You seriously have no problem with the government playing a role in what you wear on your head and when?

No, i don't. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to wear a hat inside a building, no fucking reason at all, therefore anybody wearing a hat inside a building makes me suspicious.

When somebody tries to gas their car up on my shift at night... if they're wearing a hat i ask them to either take it off and look directly at me first or pay first before putting gas in before i'll let them use it.

I ask them to look directly at me because every inch of the gas station is covered by cameras and their face will be clearly captured there, or pay first because i can shut the pump off on the computer if they begin to go over the amount they gave me.

All the government does really just amounts to that. They're trying to deter criminals and make it easier to catch them when they commit crime. Nobody is being enslaved, nobody is being watched 24/7, nobody is less free, etc.

And yeah, the knife ban is a huge blunder by the government. It's not quite as big a blunder as the invasion of Iraq or the USA's entire foreign policy, but it's still a blunder.

Problem is, the only people who ever carried knives were criminals in the first place. Do you honestly think any law abiding citizen in the UK gives a shit about this law? We don't walk around with knives, swords and guns on our person, we're not like that, we just walk around. The only people who walk around with these kinds of things are criminals, and they're still going to be the only kind of people walking around with these kinds of things.

[avix123]

Most people in southern (men) that I know all carry knives. Usually because we have to gut a fish or cut a rope due to our awesome life style. You never know when you'll need a trusty blade to help someone out. It feels weird when I put my hand in my pocket and don't have my knife there. It's such a useful tool.

Also it's funny how many knives get taken at airports along with nail clippers.

[ric]

No, i don't. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to wear a hat inside a building, no fucking reason at all, therefore anybody wearing a hat inside a building makes me suspicious.

When somebody tries to gas their car up on my shift at night... if they're wearing a hat i ask them to either take it off and look directly at me first or pay first before putting gas in before i'll let them use it.



LOL... I guess gas pumping has made you paranoid.

If you think about it, if I wanted to rob your ass, I'll just put a bullet through your skull and be done with it.

Screw the amenities or protocol

[Mugatu]

No, i don't. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to wear a hat inside a building, no fucking reason at all, therefore anybody wearing a hat inside a building makes me suspicious.

Maybe the person wearing the hat inside the building just doesn't give it as much thought as you do. Hmm, I better take my hat off or someone might think Im a terrorist!

When somebody tries to gas their car up on my shift at night... if they're wearing a hat i ask them to either take it off and look directly at me first or pay first before putting gas in before i'll let them use it.

If the business wants to install cameras and have a set policy for how they handle their customers then thats up to them. If someone doesn't like it they can simply drive on to the next station. However, if this look me in the eye routine before I fill up your car, is just something that you do to feel special and it isn't company policy, then I'd just tell you to stop talking and do your job.

All the government does really just amounts to that. They're trying to deter criminals and make it easier to catch them when they commit crime. Nobody is being enslaved, nobody is being watched 24/7, nobody is less free, etc.

I have an issue when governments tell businesses how to run their establishment, especially if that means more money out of peoples pockets. If businesses want to take these extra steps to protect themselves then that’s their business, but I don't want the government’s eye watching over my every move, especially when I have no real say in the matter. It's all a stepping stone. Give the government too much freedom/power and they will stomp you good. Their are so many countless examples of this throughout history, and to think that developed nations in this day and age are immune, is simply naive.

Problem is, the only people who ever carried knives were criminals in the first place. Do you honestly think any law abiding citizen in the UK gives a shit about this law? We don't walk around with knives, swords and guns on our person, we're not like that, we just walk around. The only people who walk around with these kinds of things are criminals, and they're still going to be the only kind of people walking around with these kinds of things.

I disagree with this statement. Criminals will carry weapons if a law is in place or not. Disarming law abiding citizens is a backwards step in ensuring public safety. When it comes to personal defense of my family/property I would like to cut out the middle man. Essentially what is happening in the U.K. is the disarmanent of the population followed by increased government control/surveillance. No thanks.

[droogsteve]

As for the rest of Britain, all there are are speed cameras, and they aren't CCTV, they just take a picture when the sensor picks up a driver breaking the law by going over the speed limit.

Speed cameras are triggered by breaking the law. You don't break the law, they don't take your picture.

However, banning hats so cameras can identify you treats everyone like a criminal. Christ, why not just have the bouncers issue big numbered stickers for patrons to wear. They'd then enter your sticker number on a chart with your name as they check IDs: "The camera recorded #116 pissing on the bathroom floor! Let's see, #116 is Dayve, grab him and make him wipe it up!"


I'm not a criminal, and I resent being treated like one. If there's that much crime in your pub, hire more bouncers.

[Dayve]

I don't see how asking you to remove your hat is treating anybody like a criminal. If i see a sign on a shop door that says "remove you hat before entering please", i take the fucking hat off. I've got nothing to hide, and refusing to take off the hat just rocks the boat.

Just take off the damn hat and stop being such an ass about it... it's not like they're asking you to drop your pants.

The whole point of a hat is to either keep your head warm outside, or shield your eyes from the sun. Why do you need to do either INSIDE anyway?

[ric]

If i see a sign on a shop door that says "remove you hat before entering please", i take the fucking hat off.


I don't nor do I take my shades off. Fuck 'em. I go elsewhere and buy my stuff