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shade
06-23-2008, 06:07 PM
http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2008/tst062308.htm

A Major Victory for Texas

I am pleased to report that last week we received notice that the Texas Department of Transportation will recommend the I-69 Project be developed using existing highway facilities instead of the proposed massive new Trans Texas Corridor/NAFTA Superhighway. According to the Texas Transportation Commissioner, consideration is no longer being given to new corridors and other proposals for a new highway footprint for this project. A major looming threat to property rights and national sovereignty is removed with this encouraging announcement.

Public outcry was cited as the main reason for this decision. I was very impressed to learn that the TxDOT received nearly 28,000 public comments on this matter, and that some 12,000 Texans attended the 47 public hearings held earlier this year. They could not ignore this tsunami of strong public opinion against the proposed plans. I was especially proud of how informed my constituents became on the subject, and how eloquently and respectfully they spoke and conducted themselves, considering how upsetting the plans were for our communities in Texas .

This is a major victory for the people of Texas , and a reminder of what we can accomplish with civic involvement. The informed and active citizen truly is a force to be reckoned with, as we have seen with the defeat of this proposal. We must keep fighting the good fight, and remain ever diligent against the encroachments of big government. We must do this if we wish to maintain our traditional standard of living in this country. As tempting as it may be to simply live our lives with no regard to government, apathy will inevitably be punished by ever more government intrusion. That is what this fight was all about. We can win if we stick together.

However, now is not the time to rest on our laurels. The bittersweet aspect of this victory is that we had to fight at all. We took time away from family and friends, doing other things, to attend these meetings, inform others, write letters, post signs and submit our complaints, and we should not have had to. Government should let us be, if we are peaceful citizens, harming no one. In a perfect world, government could be trusted to act in the best interests of the people without overwhelming pressure of this kind. This is not a perfect world. Constant pressure is needed to keep government in check, and we succeeded this time. But this will not be the last time citizen efforts and involvement will be required. We still face many unreasonable encroachments of big government today, from confiscatory, economy-strangling taxation to creeping disregard of the right of habeas corpus and other Constitutional rights, to thousands of nuisance bureaucratic regulations interfering with our every day lives. We have drifted far from what the founding fathers envisioned for this nation. Last week was just one victory towards getting back on the right path. We must continue to hold politicians’ feet to the Constitutional fire. If I had to guess, they will probably try to implement the NAFTA Superhighway again sometime in the future.

It is a never-ending battle, but it must be fought, and can be won. I am proud to stand with my constituents in this fight, and in the other fights we have ahead of us.
Great news. The government in Texas finally gave in and gave up on making the Trans Texas Corridor/NAFTA superhighway.

You should have seen the bitter opposition to it at the republican convention. The government really went too far in trying to ignore the will of the people. Opposition was overwhelming enough that we could not be ignored.

Spike Lee
06-23-2008, 06:10 PM
The Texas Trans Corridor had what to do with a Superhighway?

Danimal87
06-23-2008, 06:13 PM
The Texas Trans Corridor had what to do with a Superhighway?
What does Obama have to do with Barack?

Yuseke
06-23-2008, 06:14 PM
Oh shit....another step closer to being under a govenment entity they controls the entire planet.

Spike Lee
06-23-2008, 06:15 PM
The Texas Trans Corridor had shit to do with the already eixting "NAFTA Superhighway".

shade
06-23-2008, 06:16 PM
What does Obama have to do with Barack?

Good answer.



Spike: Since your brain seems to have been removed lately, I will explain.

The NAFTA superhighway was going to go from Mexico, through the USA, to Canada.

The trans texas corridor was going to be the Texas portion of that road.

Spike Lee
06-23-2008, 06:20 PM
Good answer.



Spike: Since your brain seems to have been removed lately, I will explain.

The NAFTA superhighway was going to go from Mexico, through the USA, to Canada.

The trans texas corridor was going to be the Texas portion of that road.

The "NAFTA Superhighway" already exists as I-35 and I-39.

shade
06-23-2008, 06:24 PM
The "NAFTA Superhighway" already exists as I-35 and I-39.

If I say the sky is blue, you will argue with me.

I am not going to respond to your posts anymore.

And no, that is not the NAFTA superhighway. You are wrong, like always. The NAFTA superhighway was going to be a new construction. In texas, it was going to be a mile wide including railroads, pipes, etc.

Spike Lee
06-23-2008, 06:28 PM
If I say the sky is blue, you will argue with me.

I am not going to respond to your posts anymore.

And no, that is not the NAFTA superhighway. You are wrong, like always. The NAFTA superhighway was going to be a new construction. In texas, it was going to be a mile wide including railroads, pipes, etc.

So you admit defeat? Sorry Shade, the NAFTA Superhighway was never there. There were plans to improve interstate roads but nothing more than that. The fact that you don't want to argue seems to me that you don't want me to dispell your nightmare scenario as nothing more than paranoid fright.


edit:
Fact Checker (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2007/12/a_superhighway_to_nowhere.html)

Factcheck.org
Newsweek (http://www.newsweek.com/id/73372)

Snopes (http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/nau.asp)

shade
06-23-2008, 06:44 PM
So you admit defeat? Sorry Shade, the NAFTA Superhighway was never there. There were plans to improve interstate roads but nothing more than that. The fact that you don't want to argue seems to me that you don't want me to dispell your nightmare scenario as nothing more than paranoid fright.


edit:
Fact Checker (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2007/12/a_superhighway_to_nowhere.html)

Factcheck.org
Newsweek (http://www.newsweek.com/id/73372)

Snopes (http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/nau.asp)

I don't argue calculus with children, either.

Your bullshit is tiring. Later.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59105

Mojoe77
06-23-2008, 06:46 PM
I don't argue calculus with children, either.

Your bullshit is tiring. Later.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59105

According to Spike's fascist logic, "the time for debate is over". Watch out.

Yuseke
06-23-2008, 07:17 PM
According to Spike's fascist logic, "the time for debate is over". Watch out.

I find it funny you would call his logic fascist when spike's ideas are leftward leaning while fascism is a right sided political system. I know conservatives feel the need to throw around propaganda words like terrorist, socialist, fascist, communist, and other such terms but please use facts when debating instead of "QUIET YOU FASCIST!"


PS: Your sig is bullshit.

Shameless
06-23-2008, 07:52 PM
I don't argue calculus with children, either.

Your bullshit is tiring. Later.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59105

Shade, he gave you 4 links. Can you respond to them?

Also, when did you turn into (please don't ban me mods) such a dismissive jerk to anyone who confronts you?

wra
06-23-2008, 08:04 PM
This is good news.

Methuser
06-23-2008, 09:23 PM
I don't argue calculus with children, either.

Your bullshit is tiring. Later.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59105

Is that really the link you left? That's a news "blog" full of flakes.

Info on worldnetdaily (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WorldNetDaily)

chrisvet
06-23-2008, 09:49 PM
You should have seen the bitter opposition to it at the republican convention. The government really went too far in trying to ignore the will of the people. Opposition was overwhelming enough that we could not be ignored.

Here's whats happening @ my end in Canada:

This quick vid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br31mdP8-Ug) shows GWB & our PM Steven Harper brushing off the Nafta highway as conspiracy. The Smoking Gun comes from live footage of Manitobas provincial parlminent session regarding its role in the superhighway.

Conclusion: Our leaders are cattle herding liar cuntists


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Texas State Department facts:

http://www.keeptexasmoving.com/index.php/faqs#a12

What will be the total width of the corridor?

The width will vary depending upon need. In order to minimize the impact to landowners, we are seriously examining how best to incorporate existing roads and railways. If highway, rail and utilities are located adjacent to each other, the corridor width would be 1,200 feet or less. Currently, the study area is much larger (about 10 miles) so that we can find the most effective route. The final corridor route, however, will only occupy a little more than 2 percent of the initial study area.



Spike, Shameless: I see new highway being built & getting tied with a great deal of old highway. I personally don't see it as a big deal.

Mr. Heskey
06-23-2008, 09:58 PM
If I say the sky is blue, you will argue with me.



lol, the sky turns black when you get higher.


I expected better of you shade.

shade
06-23-2008, 10:01 PM
Shade, he gave you 4 links. Can you respond to them?

Also, when did you turn into (please don't ban me mods) such a dismissive jerk to anyone who confronts you?

The fact that it has taken 5 years for me to become a dismissive jerk is pretty good if you ask me.

And I am only a dismissive jerk to people who really don't seem interested in talking about issues and instead are simply looking for argument.

The NAFTA superhighway is a huge non-secret. It has even been on the fake news (MSNBC, Fox, CNN, etc).

In response to you, see below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBmFrYWPoG8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cQ0YyepLgA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etbGNLS8Yg0

chrisvet
06-23-2008, 10:03 PM
In response to you, see below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBmFrYWPoG8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cQ0YyepLgA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etbGNLS8Yg0
I've seen them all before.

Shade, that fact checker website of Spike basically says Lou Dobbs is full of shit. Scroll up and watch my 4 minute vid taken directly from Manitobas parliment session. Your thoughts?

BlueQuarter
06-23-2008, 10:08 PM
Spike, ftw.

Danimal87
06-23-2008, 10:22 PM
Spike, ftw.
Take your cheerleading elsewhere.

Spike Lee
06-23-2008, 11:07 PM
The fact that it has taken 5 years for me to become a dismissive jerk is pretty good if you ask me.

And I am only a dismissive jerk to people who really don't seem interested in talking about issues and instead are simply looking for argument.

The NAFTA superhighway is a huge non-secret. It has even been on the fake news (MSNBC, Fox, CNN, etc).

In response to you, see below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBmFrYWPoG8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cQ0YyepLgA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etbGNLS8Yg0

Lou Dobbs cites the same evidence dibunked in the links. I'll be set to tackle you on in a bit, but I just got home and I'm going to eat some tostadas.

_Joe
06-23-2008, 11:14 PM
I'm not from Texas, so I'll stay out of this one.

Spike Lee
06-23-2008, 11:28 PM
You don't have to be from Texas to understand that this NAFTA Superhighway is an intaglement of facts and fiction.

Okay, I'm looking at a report about the TTC. Nothing about a NAFTA Superhighway or at least nothing in the way of evidence. In fact the link I posted addresses all the things Lou Dobbs reports on.

Mugatu
06-24-2008, 01:31 AM
Based on the current trends of globalization, the NAFTA superhighway seems to be a logical next step and far from some conspiracy theory. Just being in NAFTA itself would naturally promote a project of this type overtime. I actually did follow the TTC issue for awhile, even though I live quite a ways away, and I am glad to see Texans continue to have a strong democratic spirit. I kid you not, if I had to live in the U.S. it would be Texas.

Regardless of how accurate the actual details are, I will continue to support the local economy as best as possible, even if that means I need to pay a bit more. Although for agriculture it actually means I pay less for many things. Sorry America, you can keep your tomatoes and beef :ahhh:

Honestly though, everything is made in China now which makes this ideology hard to live by. Even labels that say product of Canada, apparently don't mean that the product is actually Canadian, only that the final processing was done here. This is all a side point though.

With the increasing interest in global resources I am very curious to see how the relationship between Canada and the U.S. will progress. Already issues like Arctic sovereignty is becoming a big topic with many of the worlds major players. I imagine things like fresh water in Canada will also become a big commodity considering drought is becoming an increasingly severe problem in the U.S. Perhaps some of these issues will become political motivators for a superhighway as well.