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Nocturnal
06-24-2008, 12:03 PM
With all the talk about the desperate need to lease drilling rights to oil companies, does everyone assume that they want to drill now as opposed to sitting on the rights for future use?

Makes sense to me. Why not fight and kick now to get the rights for future drilling. They really have very little incentive to bring prices down to reasonable levels, better to stretch out their supply over the long run. Of course that fucks us, the consumer, but hey that's what business is about right?

http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/23/news/economy/oil_drilling/index.htm?cnn=yes

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Oil companies and many lawmakers are pressing to open up more U.S. areas for drilling. But the industry is drilling on just a fraction of areas it already has access to.

Of the 90 million offshore acres the industry has leases to, mostly in the Gulf of Mexico, it is estimated that upwards of 70 million are not producing oil, according to both Democrats and oil-industry sources.

One Democrat staffer said if all these existing areas were being drilled, U.S. oil production could be boosted by nearly 5 million barrels a day, although the oil industry said that number is far too high and one government agency said it was impossible to estimate production.

Recent proposals to open up offshore coastal areas near Florida and California, as well as Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, might yield 2 million additional barrels, according to estimates from various government sources that also stressed the difficulty in making forecasts. The United States currently produces 8 million barrels of oil and other petroleum liquids a day and consumes about 21 million.

Oil companies "should finish what's on their plate before they go back in line," said Oppenheimer analyst Fadel Gheit.

Some Democrats also charge that oil companies are deliberately not drilling on the land to limit supply and drive up oil prices.

"Big Oil is more interested in pumping up prices and pumping up their own profits rather than pumping more oil," said Rep. Edward Markey (D-Mass), who has co-sponsored a bill to charge oil companies a fee for land they hold that's not producing oil. "We should not even begin discussing handing over more public land to the oil companies until they first use [the land] they already hold."
But the oil industry says it pays millions of dollars for these leases, and that it would not make sense to purposely leave the areas untapped.

Rather, years of exploration is required before drilling can even begin. In some cases, no oil is found on leases they hold. In others, drilling the wells and building the pipelines takes years. It is especially hard now that a worldwide boom in oil exploration has pushed up the prices - and timelines - for skilled workers and specialized equipment.

wra
06-24-2008, 02:02 PM
The one thing I don't understand about this is the arguement from the Dems claiming all this land is ready for oil companies to explore.

If that is true then why can't they explore there first instead of asking for more land if they already have so much approved now?

rebeldave
06-24-2008, 02:43 PM
One thing I don't think that Democrat staffer understood is that not every square inch of land allocated for oil drilling is going to hold oil. Those lands have not been drilled because oil companies have brought in geologists that have said there is little chance of oil being found there. It simply isn't cost effective to drill somewhere there probably isn't oil. The Democrats in Congress are expecting oil companies to drill on every single speck of land allocated for drilling in order to make sure there is no oil there, but that simply does not work. It may seem like a waste to only drill on a fraction of the land, but in reality, there is only oil under a fraction of the land. Its not like in the old days where it was just a crap shoot on finding oil. Companies usually have a very good idea of what is there before drilling.

BJ and UT5
06-24-2008, 04:07 PM
This shouldn't come as a surprise any time anything remotely resembling a crisis occurs Republican's try to gain drilling access to ANWR and the continental shelf. Its like clockwork. The same companies incidentally have not built an oil refinery in the past 25 years. Anyone who has followed the way the oil industry works should be a completely cynical person by now.

shade
06-24-2008, 06:59 PM
With all the talk about the desperate need to lease drilling rights to oil companies, does everyone assume that they want to drill now as opposed to sitting on the rights for future use?

Makes sense to me. Why not fight and kick now to get the rights for future drilling. They really have very little incentive to bring prices down to reasonable levels, better to stretch out their supply over the long run. Of course that fucks us, the consumer, but hey that's what business is about right?

http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/23/news/economy/oil_drilling/index.htm?cnn=yes

Sometimes you disappoint me with your weak economics.

You see how businesses are doing real genuine work now for alternatives? Honda is actually selling natural gas powered civics (you can buy one). Chevy actually looks serious about selling a plugin hybrid, etc.

Yes, it is in their interest to keep oil high enough to make a good margin on, but they have to keep it low enough to deter alternatives. (cartels 101)

They have a delegate balance to play. Also, it takes years and over $1 billion to start a drilling site these days. So if they get the rights, it will still be a while to get it operational if they start today. In the mean time, they are burning cash paying for the lease.


I say we lease them the fields and use the proceeds to directly pay down our debt. Its a drop in the bucket, but the last thing we need is to give more money to the government for them to piss away.

ric
06-25-2008, 10:14 AM
Makes sense to me. Why not fight and kick now to get the rights for future drilling. They really have very little incentive to bring prices down to reasonable levels, better to stretch out their supply over the long run. Of course that fucks us, the consumer, but hey that's what business is about right?


The Dems in the house BLOCKED off shore drilling. WTF? The majority of Americans wants America to become energy independent and sees drilling in the Gulf of Mexico, etc a start on such independence.

Why are those socialist bastards so dead set against the country drilling for oil? It's anti-business, business profits and anti-capitalism written all over their mofo agenda....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080625/ap_on_go_co/congress_gasoline_11;_ylt=AsBHfSGZbkkkL4nF9jh3FQ9v 24cA