Does my ass look fat in this? [Archive]

Nocturnal

05-21-2003, 05:57 PM

I hate how women want to be treated 100% equal with equal pay etc. but then they expect guys to live by the old sterotypes. IE the guy has to pay for the date, Total BS why should I work an extra 10hrs a week at a job where the girl there makes the same per hour just so I can buy her steak on friday night.

chris_78660

05-21-2003, 06:39 PM

does anyone see a problem with annika sorenstam (sp?) competing in the colonial? if so, why?
the only problem i have, is that she is getting way too fuckin much media coverage. this should be a no brainer folks! there is nothing in the rules that says she can't be there.....just let her fucking play

Instigator

05-21-2003, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by minia
Could you elaborate please? Do you mean women's rights? Sexual harrassment? Equal opportunity??

someone should answer the question...
feminism is the idea that women should have equal rights...is that too radical, is that what you're asking?

droogsteve

05-21-2003, 09:26 PM

Maddox has it pretty much figured out. maddox.xmission.com/26_things.html

Instigator

05-21-2003, 09:39 PM

hahaha thats so fuckin genius

Instigator

05-21-2003, 09:39 PM

suck on these, shade:
http://maddox.xmission.com/limits_to_freedom.html

chris_78660

05-21-2003, 09:40 PM

i love his website.
the first day i found it at work, i spent 8 hours reading all the material....i'm now a regular visitor:D

Kanism

05-21-2003, 09:43 PM

I may be mistaken on this one...it'll take one of the really "old" members to clarify...but, I think Maddox was once a member of the old eBaumsworld forum....

on the Annika thing...if she can compete...let her play...I guarantee you that she will be beating a good lot of the male players...and vi gay is a bitch for withdrawing from the tournie (fucking terrorist ;))

chris_78660

05-21-2003, 09:57 PM

v-gay is a pussy...if he had any balls, he would have stuck around and out golfed her.

Kanism

05-21-2003, 10:00 PM

Originally posted by chris_78660
v-gay is a pussy...if he had any balls, he would have stuck around and out golfed her. he withdraws from Colonnial...Yale gets bombed....coincidence?!?! I THINK NOT!!!!

actually, little bitch used his bitch as an excuse to withdraw...If that ho was my sister, I'd have her call the media and deny all pussy ass promises...

Nocturnal

05-21-2003, 11:25 PM

Maddox is the man, that would be pretty cool if he used to post on the old ebaum forum. I bet his posts woulda been hillarious

Delta

05-22-2003, 01:22 AM

For God sakes Inst please stop giving links to site made by my team of monkeys!!!!!

And as for Annika of course she can play. But Im sorry Kan, but I dont think shell do that good. After all, she lost to John Smoltz. Hes a pro BASEBALL player, a pitcher, and he beat the best woman golfer in the WORLD.

wils0646

05-22-2003, 02:12 AM

Yea, she has to play really well to even make the middle of the field. The course is shorter, however, and it fits her game better than any other course on the tour. I personally feel that she CAN do this but I think it's just for publicity and really nothing else. I just think men and women should have their own specific leagues. I was also on the side of Hooty Johnson with the whole Augusta conflict. There are different organizations that have ONLY female members and there are different ones that have ONLY male members. Don't try and integrate these because they are fine the way they are.

chris_78660

05-22-2003, 02:18 AM

there is no RULE that says she cannot play...she can play, end of story.
besides, who gives a shit if she doesn't win? she already beat all the women.....who the fuck is left to play?

wils0646

05-22-2003, 02:48 AM

Yea, I believe she CAN play, but it might make a bad impression on Women's golf. What would happen if a man couldn't cut the PGA tour and decided he wanted to go to the LPGA?

chris_78660

05-22-2003, 03:00 AM

how would one woman damage the image of womens golf? come on now, we as a society are smarter than that.
she has no where left to challenge her skills, she might as well jump in there and give it a try. if a man feels like he should compete with women, fine...unless the rules state otherwise....at that time is when they should review the standards/rules and go from there.

wils0646

05-22-2003, 03:36 AM

Originally posted by chris_78660
how would one woman damage the image of womens golf? come on now, we as a society are smarter than that.
she has no where left to challenge her skills, she might as well jump in there and give it a try. if a man feels like he should compete with women, fine...unless the rules state otherwise....at that time is when they should review the standards/rules and go from there.

Well I believe it would do more bad than good if she doesn't do very well. But really, I hope she does well and I hope she beats the best of the PGA.

I just think the whole controversy was that a woman replaced a man on a sponsor's exemption. That's why some guys on the PGA tour were pissed off.

By the way, do any of you guys play golf?

Kanism

05-22-2003, 03:45 AM

Originally posted by wils0646
By the way, do any of you guys play golf? no, but I play with women ;)

actually, she is getting no other concession than the sponsorship exemption...she is having to qualify just like everyone else and she is having to tee off from the same boxes...just like everyone else

if she finishes dead last in the qualifying rounds way out of possible contention, I will accept the serving of crow and eat it...but, I guarantee you that she will beat at least half the field.

and for a man to enter the LPGA is ludicrous, whoever even mentioned that should check his shorts to make sure he is going to the correct public restroom...that is equivalent to saying that since a man can't hack it in the NBA, he should go compete for a starting position in the WNBA.

Annika has beaten the rest of the LPGA several times over...it has even been said that she is out-doing Tiger Woods in terms of dominance in the women's division...so, she wants to test her mettle against the men...fan-tastic...let her try....I think the most outspoken opposition is from the men that are AFRAID that a women is gonna out shine them in what was once a "white male dominated sport"....

wils0646

05-22-2003, 03:54 AM

she is having to qualify just like everyone else and she is having to tee off from the same boxes

I don't think she has to qualify. She just received a spot in the field. And yea, she does have to hit from the same tee boxes. I like that and even though she is a woman, she can hit it farther than a lot of men on tour. Have you heard of this 14 year old Michelle Wie chick that can hit it 300 yds? Wow, on my best days I could hit it to within 10 yds of her, but no more.

Edit: By qualifying round, did you mean the first two rounds of the tournament? Because after that, they do make a cut.

wils0646

05-22-2003, 04:03 AM

and for a man to enter the LPGA is ludicrous, whoever even mentioned that should check his shorts to make sure he is going to the correct public restroom...that is equivalent to saying that since a man can't hack it in the NBA, he should go compete for a starting position in the WNBA.

Yea, there was one man that tried to qualify for the Women's U.S. Open and they declined him. It happened right when the Annika story started to come up. I think the guy couldn't cut it and he saw his opportunity with Annika doing this. The guy was obviously crazy because of course they wouldn't let him.

Yea I see your point with Annika beating many of the LPGA players and wanting better competition. But I just think the line between the men and women's leagues shouldn't be crossed.

chris_78660

05-22-2003, 04:21 AM

Originally posted by wils0646
I hope she does well and I hope she beats the best of the PGA.

i don't see that happening, but i don't see her coming last either. really the story has been blow out of proportion, i can't wait for it to be over.

Kanism

05-22-2003, 04:33 AM

yeah wils...I meant that she does make the cut.

it is only blown out of proportion because people won't let it lie...it could've been "woman competes in Colonnial"...end of story...

but, stupid ass v-gay singe had to open his ignorant yapper up and then back out of the the tourney along with all the scared men out there that fear the day when it will be officially proven that women are not really the "weaker sex" after all...

it was done before with Billie Jean King...it will be done now...people just need to learn and accept the fact that there are extraordinary circumstances for all situations and to just take it in stride.

wils0646

05-22-2003, 04:41 AM

really the story has been blow out of proportion, i can't wait for it to be over.

Yea I agree, and I didn't like Vijah's comments either. I never really liked the guy...he seemed just too boring on tour when he was winning tournaments. Not an exciting player.

chris_78660

05-22-2003, 04:44 AM

did you say that he was boring?! how the fuck could you find golf exciting?;)

wils0646

05-22-2003, 04:49 AM

Hard to believe? Yea, I know. Many of my friends rag on me all the time about watching golf. But I've played it since kindergarten and I find it really exciting some of the time. Some of the commentators make it boring, but the players on tour make up for it.

Playing golf makes watching golf a lot more enjoyable. You two should take up the game....trust me, its a lot of fun....

Kanism

05-22-2003, 04:51 AM

actually, when I worked at the country club...all they'd watch was golf (stupid, old, rich drunks :D)...and some of the shots that these guys could make are incredibly entertaining as well as some of the player's antics....

or was I watching Happy Gilmore (JOKE!!!) HAH!!!!

I've alway hated v-gay...even when Tiger had all the headlines...I hated v-gay...maybe I'm racist......NAH!!!!

wils0646

05-22-2003, 05:05 AM

Golf requires goofy pants and a fat ass.....
My neighbor, the accountant, huge ass, probably a golfer....
-Happy Gilmore

Man, what a coincidence, the poll name "Does my ass look fat in this?", and then we start spewin about golf, and then it goes to Happy Gilmore, and then back fat asses....wow

chris_78660

05-22-2003, 05:06 AM

i have been told by many frustrated golfers to NOT take up the sport:D
i'm always up for new things

wils0646

05-22-2003, 05:09 AM

Yea, its real frustrating at first because it's a tough game. You need a lot of practice and effort. But trust me, when you get older and you retire, you're gonna wanna play golf because that's really what all old, retired people do.

Kanism

05-22-2003, 05:18 AM

Originally posted by wils0646
Golf requires goofy pants and a fat ass.....
My neighbor, the accountant, huge ass, probably a golfer....
-Happy Gilmore

Man, what a coincidence, the poll name "Does my ass look fat in this?", and then we start spewin about golf, and then it goes to Happy Gilmore, and then back fat asses....wow that is the beauty of tangents....somehow, it always gets back to the original topic

speaking of tangents...was at a bbq the other day with some friends...one of whom I hadn't seen in a few months (great tits)...we were talking and somehow the conversation took a turn to boobs....her remark was, "kane, I haven't seen you in several months...and here we are talking about boobs again"....we discussed it and she is correct...every time we've gotten together, we always talk about boobs...be it her boobs or boobs in general... :D welcome to new tangent

Illicit

05-22-2003, 11:58 AM

Well thank you all. I sort of started this thread yesterday to have something to read at work today. It wasn't quite what I imagined, but that's ok.

As for my question, feminism is supposed to be all about equal rights, and I don't think too many people disagree with that. Since everyone seems to agree that chicks deserve the same chance as guys, why are there still people out there complaining?

It seems to me that often the 'feminists' are only that when it's convenient. When it comes to things like sexual harassment all of a sudden they're these soft, cuddly, helpless beings in need of all the sheltering they can get.

Yes, I think women should have equal opportunities. But there are a lot of things in this world that men simply do better than women. And vice verca, of course. It just so happens that a lot of the best payed jobs around require masculine attributes...

minia

05-22-2003, 12:11 PM

Originally posted by Illicit
Yes, I think women should have equal opportunities. But there are a lot of things in this world that men simply do better than women. And vice verca, of course. It just so happens that a lot of the best payed jobs around require masculine attributes...

What exactly ARE you talking about?? I really hope it is not Math or somehting like that because that is assinine. Attributes like leadership skills, aptitudes in Math or English, etc.....these things are determined by the person's personality, background, and education.

Illicit

05-22-2003, 01:23 PM

Of course not. But things like making tough decisions quickly. Most women (but in no way all, don't get me wrong) tend to be more afraid of making a mistake than they are willing to make a choice.

Now I'm not saying that it's genetic, or social. I'm saying it is just the way it is, without pointing any fingers.

Women tend to be better at multi-tasking than men. On the flipside men tend to be better at concentrating on one thing at a time. Multi-tasking is a great quality in a lot of professions. But the way the world is, the best payed jobs require in-depth concentration over a wide perspective.

Hell, I don't think men are better than women (or the other way :) ), but I know we're not the same.

So I guess my question is: is 'equal-opportunity' losing sight of it's goals and becoming 'equal-everything'.

minia

05-22-2003, 02:21 PM

I just think you can't generalize, evryone is different so when looking at a job candidate it should be done on a case by case basis...regardless of race or gender or whatever...

chris_78660

05-22-2003, 02:24 PM

in a perfect world, you would be right. the unwriiten law is that a man has a much better chance at getting a higher paid job than women....don't get mad at me, if i could write the rules i would turn men into 'house husbands' and then all the women would work with me:D

minia

05-22-2003, 02:27 PM

No, I know what you are saying Chris. I just meant that in reality women are just as qualified as men. I also know, however, that men are the ones hiring and that in the real world hiring is biased. Whether it is because they don't like how you look, or speak, or you are a woman and they want a man, etc....

Illicit

05-22-2003, 02:46 PM

Actually, you can generalize. There have been extensive studies done on differences in the thought processes between men and women. Men ARE better at concentrating, women ARE better at multitasking. It's a fact.

So, men are better qualified for some jobs, women are better at others.

Another thing that baffles me about feminists these days is that they focus on the wrong issues. They make a huge huffaw in the media about how we need genderless names for jobs (stewardess/steward, etc...). That's all well and good, but it only matters because people make it an issue. They seem to overlook the big issues like the fact that women get payed less for doing the same jobs as men throughout all industries and businesses. Who cares if I call broads broads. Take care of the actual problem, dammit.

I agree with the basic feminist ideals, I just disagree the way a lot of mainstream feminists are going about dealing with the issues.

minia

05-22-2003, 03:10 PM

You are still generalizing because you can't say ALL men are better at this or ALL women are better at that. You could be fucking yourself over only looking at one gender or the other. And who isn't worried about the pay gap?? Ever heard of the Glass Ceiling? That is a major issue that is in the process of changing. Those feminists that focus on stupid things are just bored....

Illicit

05-22-2003, 03:22 PM

Originally posted by minia
You are still generalizing

I know I am. I think I said so in my post even. I am well aware that there are guys ou there who can read the newspaper, watch the football game, talk on the phone, and jerk off all at once. And that there are girls who have a concentrational skill second to none. But there are general differences that will end up in men and women tending to be better at different things.

And you're right, they really are bored. I'm asking why the serious, down-to-earth, contemplated feminists allow the stupid ones to get so damn much media coverage. Hell, on my list of morons, bra-burning, diehard, man-hating tractor-dykes are up there with racists, fanatics, and Dubya.

minia

05-22-2003, 03:46 PM

Sorry meant to say something else. As you can see multitasking doesn't always turn out so well, male or female. The crazy bitches get more coverage for just that reason- they are CRAZY and therefore mean better ratings. Who wants to watch rational women talk about issues that matter??

Illicit

05-22-2003, 04:01 PM

Are they hot???

Just kidding ;)

minia

05-22-2003, 04:08 PM

You male chauvenistic pig!! Now I am going to tell all of my male impersonating friends and we are going to picket in front of your place of business yelling

WE ARE UGLY!
OH YES WE ARE!!
IF YA NEED A LESBIAN,
DON"T HAFTA LOOK VERY FAR!!

Nocturnal

05-22-2003, 05:16 PM

I think the pay gap has been decreasing nicely, things like this take time. It takes quite a few years in the business world to work your way up to CEO level, and that is a big part of why the numbers show that men make way more. CEO's with multi million dollar salaries really throw off the curve.

What do you all think about the whole maternity leave thing? Is an employee who will take a year off (or 6 months, or 3 months whatever) in the middle of their career less valuable? Would it be better if the womans job were to receive notice of her intent to have a child and therefore be able to plan for her absence better?

minia

05-22-2003, 05:28 PM

I think that it should be a factor in that the woman should let the company know if she intends on conceiving, and definitely inform them if she is pregnant. That just leads to the whole working mother debate.... I think women can do both, within reason. I mean if you are a doctor who is on call 24/7 it is obviously not an ideal time or situation to have a kid unless she is willing to cut down on work.

And no, I do not think that she would be less valuable. Anymore than a man that has heart problems is less valuable because he COULD end up in the hospital. Besides, women usually only take the last month or so off....

Nocturnal

05-22-2003, 05:34 PM

yeah but a man could have heart problems, a woman that intends to have a baby will be out for at least a month or so

minia

05-22-2003, 05:42 PM

What if he has a heart attack? A bypass?? Dies?? How about not hiring AIDS patients? People with Cancer??

I am just am just saying if we were to discriminate for one reason it would have to be for any reason...

Nocturnal

05-22-2003, 07:21 PM

then we'd better hope that our files at our insurance company remain private.... some are working to make them public acess

Illicit

05-27-2003, 03:26 PM

Here in Norway they have an interesting system to ward off sexism in companies hiring procedures.

There are two months of 'father-leave' that all men have a right to take (and usually do) after the birth of their child. That sort of evens out the playing field a bit, and I think a lot of guys could learn a lot by spending two months at home taking care of a baby.

minia

05-27-2003, 03:51 PM

That is an excellent idea...

chris_78660

05-27-2003, 04:10 PM

some major corps have that here....they call it paternal leave, and it is the 3-6 months that the women get. i would love nothing more than to spend that amount of free time with my new born.....

Illicit

06-03-2003, 03:04 PM

Brilliant! I just told my boss that my girlfriend is pregnant. It'll be tough keeping up the lie for nine months, but it'll be worth it. Bahamas, here I come!!!

(unfortunately I am lying through my teeth, but it would be a sweet sham to pull. Mad respect to anyone who tries...)

Inverness

07-03-2003, 02:15 AM

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shade

07-03-2003, 09:39 PM

feminism is the idea that women should have equal rights...is that too radical, is that what you're asking?
Yeah good thing the question is about modern feminism, dumbass.

shade

07-04-2003, 02:43 AM

What if he has a heart attack? A bypass?? Dies?? How about not hiring AIDS patients? People with Cancer??

Well, as long as they actually show up to work and do their job its not a problem. You cant expect a company to keep someone employed if they are incapable of doing their job. That is what insurance is for...

But pregnancy itself is temporary... and a pregnant woman can usually work well in to their 8th month (assuming its not manual labor of course). Then you take the sick days, and a little extra time and that covers the delivery and some time after that for recovery and getting daycare worked out etc. Its not the same as someone with cancer or AIDS who may miss months at a time on an irregular basis.

Wire17

07-07-2003, 01:32 AM

Originally posted by minia
What if he has a heart attack? A bypass?? Dies?? How about not hiring AIDS patients? People with Cancer??

I am just am just saying if we were to discriminate for one reason it would have to be for any reason...

are u forgetting the fact that a woman could have all those things happen to her as well? a company could think before hiring a guy that he may get sick or cancer and die, but the same thing could happen to a woman, so all those diseases cancel each other out. however, a woman is the only one of the 2 genders to get pregnant, the woman is still more likely to leave for a pregnancy. then the company would have to deal with one less worker which could mean the company may make less money. a man wont get pregnant, so they dont have to take that into consideration before hiring him. if someone joined with heart problems, though it shouldnt change if he gets hired, it does becasue he is less valuable becasue he may get sick and lose work time, while a young healthy guy (more likely) wont lose any work time.