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patriotwarrior7
06-26-2008, 08:21 PM
Bolton: Israel Will Strike Iran if Obama is Elected

Wednesday, June 25, 2008 4:32 PM

By: Rick Pedraza

Former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton believes Israel will stage a raid against Iran's nuclear facilities if Democratic nominee Barack Obama wins the upcoming presidential election in November.

Bolton, often labeled a resolute neo-conservative, believes the Israeli attack would take place sometime between the day after Obama's win and his inauguration on January 20 of next year.

In an interview with FOX News, Bolton says, "I think if they are to do anything, the most likely period is after our elections and before the inauguration of the next President."

Bolton reasons Israel won’t be able to hold off a strike on Iran any longer than that given the Illinois senator's intended foreign policy toward the Islamic Republic.

"I don’t think they [the Israeli government] will do anything before our election because they don’t want to affect it,” he says, adding, “They’d have to make a judgment whether to [strike] during the remainder of President Bush’s term in office or wait for his successor."

Bolton points to Obama’s statements in which he says he would engage Iran in direct talks and take the military option for dealing with Iran's quest for nuclear weapons off the table, a position he believes will further embolden Tehran to build a nuclear bomb.

In a related interview with The Telegraph, Bolton says he believes Arab countries will support an Israeli strike, effectively ending Iran's nuclear ambitions, while publicly denouncing it.

Their reaction, he tells the British paper, "will be positive privately. I think there'll be public denunciations, but no action."

Bolton thinks Israel may consider postponing the attack, however, if Senator John McCain, R-Ariz., emerges as the victor in the presidential race. He says McCain's stance on Iran “is far more realistic than that of the Bush administration.”

Bolton doubts Iran would respond immediately with a counterstrike of its own, partially because Tehran would fear an American reprisal.

Earlier this month, Israel held a massive air force exercise over Greece that U.S., Israeli and Greek sources later confirmed was a test run for a strike on Iran's main uranium enrichment plant.


This will cause an epic meltdown....

Methuser
06-26-2008, 08:33 PM
"When Obama is elected president the lollypop guild will return to Oz and turn all of Texas purple."

That's what Bolton might as well say on Fox news.

The Neocons are getting desperate.

patriotwarrior7
06-26-2008, 08:44 PM
The question is, how close is Iran to obtaining nukes? Are they really trying to do it, or is it just talk? If Israel bombs Iran, that could unite the Arab world under Iranian leadership, which is something neither we nor the Israelis can afford. I doubt Israel would ever take such an action except under the most extreme dire circumstances.

Methuser
06-26-2008, 08:45 PM
I doubt Israel would ever take such an action except under the most extreme dire circumstances.

Quoted for truth.

chrisvet
06-26-2008, 11:26 PM
Fook Isreal if this actually happens. Invading a country that hasn't waged war in over 300 years is just wrong.

American Infidel
06-26-2008, 11:34 PM
Israel has damned full rights to protect itself. I supported the strike on Iraq's nuclear facilities, back in 1981 and I would compel them to stop the inevitable attack on them, by Iran's genocidal regime.

GhostJang
06-27-2008, 12:19 AM
Israel has damned full rights to protect itself. I supported the strike on Iraq's nuclear facilities, back in 1981 and I would compel them to stop the inevitable attack on them, by Iran's genocidal regime.

Except Iran isn't attacking anyone. Israel isn't defending itself. It's starting the fight.

Seriously, where is some evidence that Iran will inevitably attack Israel.

Kazimierz
06-27-2008, 12:26 AM
Seriously, where is some evidence that Iran will inevitably attack Israel.

It's on file at the CIA's secret storage facility on the moon, next to the Saddam/Al-Qaeda connection, three rows down from the Roswell files, and across the shelf from the mafia JFK assassination documents. You probably don't have high enough clearance to get in though. So trust me.

Methuser
06-27-2008, 12:31 AM
But Kaz does. Trust me.

Edit: Over the years I've often debated within myself on whether or not fapping to your Avy would make me pathetic.

Kazimierz
06-27-2008, 12:32 AM
PS Trust Methuser.

Yes.

ric
06-27-2008, 12:55 AM
Fook Isreal if this actually happens.

Ouch! No love for Israel :wah:


Invading a country that hasn't waged war in over 300 years is just wrong.

We tried diplomacy, incentives and even threatened Iran with sanctions. Nothing has worked. It's time to swap the carrot out for a stick, and beat the piss out of Ahmadinejad with that stick.

If you look at the big picture, the Iranians aren't just fucking with the Jews. They're fucking with everybody: the Jews, the Arabs, the Europeans, the Americans.

_Joe
06-27-2008, 01:09 AM
We tried diplomacy, incentives and even threatened Iran with sanctions. Nothing has worked. It's time to swap the carrot out for a stick, and beat the piss out of Ahmadinejad with that stick.

If you look at the big picture, the Iranians aren't just fucking with the Jews. They're fucking with everybody: the Jews, the Arabs, the Europeans, the Americans.


Sounds like the justification for something that happened back in '03..... :confuzed:

Fossil
06-27-2008, 01:33 AM
Clearly Israel hasn't seen 300. That Xerxes is a scary guy.

ric
06-27-2008, 01:35 AM
Sounds like the justification for something that happened back in '03..... :confuzed:

No matter who takes the WH, an Israeli strike on Iran is imminent.

They will strike the enemy, no matter where it is

2ndAmendment
06-27-2008, 01:39 AM
Doesn't matter... Obama won't win. :)

Methuser
06-27-2008, 01:45 AM
Doesn't matter... Obama won't win. :)

Yes he will.

GALLIENVS AVG
06-27-2008, 01:49 AM
Doesn't matter... Obama won't win. :)

Yes he will.

Oh boy, here we go.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Deamatix
06-27-2008, 02:01 AM
When it comes to an aggressive foreign policy, Iran can't hold a candle to the United States or Israel. We are the Jimbo and Ned (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE5pGeCUM-Y) of world politics.

As much as you right-wingers like to think everyone in the Middle East are mindless brutes, Iran would not be stupid enough to launch a pre-emptive strike on Israel through direct or indirect means. Any street-thug might be encouraged to blow himself up for his religion, but those in the position of power know better. Iran would be ANNIHILATED by the Israeli, and likely American, counter strike. Iran has nothing to gain, and everything to lose, by throwing the first stone.

Who honestly thinks Iran is going to take being it lying down? If they weren't sponsoring terrorists in Iraq before, they definitely would afterward. Hell, they might not even need to, nothing riles up the people quite like America coming in once again to "Save the day!".

rebeldave
06-27-2008, 02:22 AM
Fook Isreal if this actually happens. Invading a country that hasn't waged war in over 300 years is just wrong.

You do realize that the Islamic Republic of Iran has only existed in its current form for 30 years, don't you? And shortly after the current form of the state came into existence, we have the Iran-Iraq war, which was partially caused by the Ayatollah of Iran calling for Muslims in Iraq to overthrow Saddam Hussein. Real peaceful.

ThoughtCriminal
06-27-2008, 02:23 AM
Why is it that most right wing tards constantly complain about Jews in this country, but won't hesitate to lick Israel's chode at the drop of a hat?

_Joe
06-27-2008, 02:23 AM
You do realize that the Islamic Republic of Iran has only existed in its current form for 30 years, don't you? And shortly after the current form of the state came into existence, we have the Iran-Iraq war, which was partially caused by the Ayatollah of Iran calling for Muslims in Iraq to overthrow Saddam Hussein. Real peaceful.

So all of those "poor Iraqis" we saw begging us for freedom on TV were actually just taking a cue from Iran?


Why is it that most right wing tards constantly complain about Jews in this country, but won't hesitate to lick Israel's chode at the drop of a hat?

They're evangelists, and they believe in order for prophecy to be fulfilled Israel must exist as a nation.




k, goodnight.

GhostJang
06-27-2008, 03:15 AM
Ouch! No love for Israel :wah:



We tried diplomacy, incentives and even threatened Iran with sanctions. Nothing has worked. It's time to swap the carrot out for a stick, and beat the piss out of Ahmadinejad with that stick.

If you look at the big picture, the Iranians aren't just fucking with the Jews. They're fucking with everybody: the Jews, the Arabs, the Europeans, the Americans.


So...what exactly are they doing that justifies an attack.

Actually, it reminds me of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FUAhPoYdxs

Starting at 5 minutes.

pinger
06-27-2008, 04:45 AM
Israel has damned full rights to protect itself. I supported the strike on Iraq's nuclear facilities, back in 1981 and I would compel them to stop the inevitable attack on them, by Iran's genocidal regime.

Yeah attacking Iran is really going to help Israel protect itself, I mean, it is so evident. Israel will be much safer after it drops bombs without reason on a muslim country, whilst surrounded by Muslim countries.

This could really help re-stabilise the middle east, and gosh, Palestinians will be pretty pleased about it as well.

Hell, it's going to be so safe I might just book my holidays to Israel right now.

Pre-emption: the neo-cons excuse for ignoring the international rule of law.

Captain Serious
06-27-2008, 04:52 AM
Yeah attacking Iran is really going to help Israel protect itself, I mean, it is so evident. Israel will be much safer after it drops bombs on a muslim country, whilst surrounded by Muslim countries.

This could really help re-stabilise the middle east, and gosh, Palestinians will be pretty pleased about it as well.

Hell, it's going to be so safe I might just book my holidays to Israel right now.

Pre-emption: the neo-cons excuse for ignoring the international rule of law.


whoa...take it easy there Soldier...


there's no need to bring out the heavy duty sarcasm...it won't do a damn thing.


go read a book...take a walk...maybe...journey around the world in search of Unicorns...


whatever you do...remember to take a DEEEEEEP breath.

mesaywee3
06-27-2008, 05:27 AM
There should only be an attack when there is a 100 percent chance Iran has nukes. Think of the people living in Iran, they are the most western cultured youth in all the middle east. Id hate to turn Iran into another Iraq.

pinger
06-27-2008, 06:36 AM
whoa...take it easy there Soldier...


there's no need to bring out the heavy duty sarcasm...it won't do a damn thing.


go read a book...take a walk...maybe...journey around the world in search of Unicorns...


whatever you do...remember to take a DEEEEEEP breath.

Thanks Captain Obvious, i'll go walk it off. Maybe try out my Karl Rove Ab-cerciser

Quick_Draw21
06-27-2008, 10:28 AM
Bolton doubts Iran would respond immediately with a counterstrike of its own, partially because Tehran would fear an American reprisal.

Earlier this month, Israel held a massive air force exercise over Greece that U.S., Israeli and Greek sources later confirmed was a test run for a strike on Iran's main uranium enrichment plant.


This will cause an epic meltdown....

Anyone else find that part ironic? Basically hes saying that Iran won't even counter attack because it will fear an American reprisal. If, according to him, it won't even defend itself then thy the fuck would it ever launch a strike against Israel first????

Seriously that is the most fucked up logic I have ever seen. How was this guy the US ambassador to the UN?



We tried diplomacy, incentives and even threatened Iran with sanctions. Nothing has worked. It's time to swap the carrot out for a stick, and beat the piss out of Ahmadinejad with that stick.

If you look at the big picture, the Iranians aren't just fucking with the Jews. They're fucking with everybody: the Jews, the Arabs, the Europeans, the Americans.

Right...because as we know its the Iranians not the Americans/Israelis who are making "axis of evil" and preemptively striking and invading countries.

KeyboardPatriot
06-27-2008, 11:07 AM
I personally think Iran wouldn't really give a shit about the U.S. or Israel if we stayed out of their backyard and minded our own business. I'd be pissed if someone was threatening my way of life to.

Henkie
06-27-2008, 11:17 AM
You do realize that the Islamic Republic of Iran has only existed in its current form for 30 years, don't you? And shortly after the current form of the state came into existence, we have the Iran-Iraq war, which was partially caused by the Ayatollah of Iran calling for Muslims in Iraq to overthrow Saddam Hussein. Real peaceful.

You mean to blaim the Ayatollah's for wanting the Iraqis to live without Hussein? That dictator that has been at seperate wars with the US under it's last three presidents? Also, Iraq attacked Iran, not the other way round.

ric
06-27-2008, 12:04 PM
Basically hes saying that Iran won't even counter attack because it will fear an American reprisal. If, according to him, it won't even defend itself then thy the fuck would it ever launch a strike against Israel first????


We shall see how Iran responds. I personally think, Iran will just stick their fingers up their collective asses (just like Syria) and do nada, zilch

Btw - Pilots from the air forces in both Israel and Greece conducted joint training maneuvers over the skies in Crete in early June. More than 100plus fighter planes took part in the exercise. The exercises were intended to underscore Jerusalem's ongoing concern about Iran's nuclear ambitions...

Greece is almost the right distance away...The Jews practice their penetration, tanker support, SAR, etc. The Greeks get to practice interception of an attacker.

Get real, dude

chalupa
06-27-2008, 12:18 PM
World War III is going to be fun.

*digs hole under basement, fills with canned goods*

*forgets can-opener*

Fuck.

ric
06-27-2008, 12:33 PM
World War III is going to be fun.


WWIII has already been fought and won - by us. If this is WWIV, so be it - it has to be fought sooner or later.

Good luck digging your hole

Jade
06-27-2008, 01:43 PM
The question is, how close is Iran to obtaining nukes? Are they really trying to do it, or is it just talk? If Israel bombs Iran, that could unite the Arab world under Iranian leadership, which is something neither we nor the Israelis can afford. I doubt Israel would ever take such an action except under the most extreme dire circumstances.

What you have just mentioned above is the catalyst for the third and possibly the final world war caused by Israel's increasing paranoia. Not only will the Arab world unite, but I suspect that Russia and China will back them up.

Jade
06-27-2008, 01:45 PM
They're evangelists, and they believe in order for prophecy to be fulfilled Israel must exist as a nation.



:lmao::lmao::lmao:

Some funny shit.

chrisvet
06-27-2008, 02:01 PM
WWIII has already been fought and won - by us. If this is WWIV, so be it - it has to be fought sooner or later.

Good luck digging your hole

I think its in the preliminary stages, and ongoing battle for decades to come @ the expense of Americas downfall as world superpower.

Yuseke
06-27-2008, 02:02 PM
1. Obtain nuke
2. Deliver to Middle East
3. ???
4. Profit

SurvivalistMan
06-27-2008, 03:43 PM
What are the possibilities of a draft if a large scale war with Iran and it's neighbors explodes?

Fuck that, I'm not fighting for a bunch of empty suits in Washington. Kill me or put me in prison, I'm not doing their dirty work.

chrisvet
06-27-2008, 03:59 PM
What are the possibilities of a draft if a large scale war with Iran and it's neighbors explodes?

Big.

10Char.

Quick_Draw21
06-27-2008, 04:06 PM
We shall see how Iran responds. I personally think, Iran will just stick their fingers up their collective asses (just like Syria) and do nada, zilch

Btw - Pilots from the air forces in both Israel and Greece conducted joint training maneuvers over the skies in Crete in early June. More than 100plus fighter planes took part in the exercise. The exercises were intended to underscore Jerusalem's ongoing concern about Iran's nuclear ambitions...

Greece is almost the right distance away...The Jews practice their penetration, tanker support, SAR, etc. The Greeks get to practice interception of an attacker.

Get real, dude

Get real dude??? ok....How does your post even remotely respond to what I said?

It's sad seeing that you are condoning an attack against a nation you know will not respond Yet failing to see that if someone is attacked and won't even respond then, it is highly unlikely that they will make a first strike. Didn't you claim earlier that this was a last resort operation? . :rollseyes

wra
06-27-2008, 04:16 PM
When it comes to an aggressive foreign policy, Iran can't hold a candle to the United States or Israel. We are the Jimbo and Ned (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE5pGeCUM-Y) of world politics.

As much as you right-wingers like to think everyone in the Middle East are mindless brutes, Iran would not be stupid enough to launch a pre-emptive strike on Israel through direct or indirect means. Any street-thug might be encouraged to blow himself up for his religion, but those in the position of power know better. Iran would be ANNIHILATED by the Israeli, and likely American, counter strike. Iran has nothing to gain, and everything to lose, by throwing the first stone.

Who honestly thinks Iran is going to take being it lying down? If they weren't sponsoring terrorists in Iraq before, they definitely would afterward. Hell, they might not even need to, nothing riles up the people quite like America coming in once again to "Save the day!".

Are you unaware that Iran directly funds Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist groups? They already attack Isreal indirectly.

I don't think Isreal will wait for the election either. The attack will come before the end of the year. Isreal is consistant. They bombed a Syrian site suspected of being a nuclear facility and did so in Iraq. It isn't a leap to assume they will do the same to iran.

Methuser
06-27-2008, 04:21 PM
What is bothering me is although were having a good debate on Iran's threat to Israel the fact remains that the title to this thread is complete and utter bullshit and it remains in plain view.

I'd like a mod to change the title.

Face Plant
06-27-2008, 06:36 PM
Israel is full of shit, they're not going to strike Iran. Iran is not Iraq or Syria, besides Israel wants the US/UK to attack Iran for them

rochainskool
06-27-2008, 06:59 PM
Fuck Israel... I don't understand why we give so much aid to Jews. They should go sell diamonds or something.

Cost to U.S. Taxpayers of U.S.
Aid to Israel

Grand Total
$84,854,827,200

Interest Costs Borne by U.S.
$49,936,680,000

Total Cost to U.S. Taxpayers
$134,791,507,200

Total Taxpayer Cost per Israeli
$23,240

Source (http://www.washington-report.org/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm)

Every U.S. citizen could have a nice GM car with that kind of money.

chrisvet
06-27-2008, 07:03 PM
Fuck Israel... I don't understand why we give so much aid to Jews. They should go sell diamonds or something.

Cost to U.S. Taxpayers of U.S.
Aid to Israel

Grand Total
$84,854,827,200

Interest Costs Borne by U.S.
$49,936,680,000

Total Cost to U.S. Taxpayers
$134,791,507,200

Total Taxpayer Cost per Israeli
$23,240

Source (http://www.washington-report.org/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm)

Every U.S. citizen could have a nice GM car with that kind of money.

I'll simplify it:

1/3 of our annual foreign aid is given to Isreal who inturn spends a great deal of it on weapons.

1/2 of the entire foreign aid given out over the past 60 years was given to Isreal.

Azwethinkweizm
06-27-2008, 07:18 PM
If Israel attacks Iran, I will be on Iran's side.




Iran is all talk and no walk. Have they even killed anybody in the past 10 years?

Methuser
06-27-2008, 07:31 PM
Iran is all talk and no walk. Have they even killed anybody in the past 10 years?
Learn More (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Iran+terrorism)

rordy
06-27-2008, 08:57 PM
this really seems to be a threat to me.

IrishNed
06-28-2008, 09:34 AM
Yeah attacking Iran is really going to help Israel protect itself, I mean, it is so evident. Israel will be much safer after it drops bombs without reason on a muslim country, whilst surrounded by Muslim countries.Olmert is a Blowhard! He and other Israeli Bigwigs really want the U.S. to do their dirty work for them. Olmert even publicly urged the U.S. to use its Navy and blockade Iranian Ports, an Act of War!... Pre-emption: the neo-cons excuse for ignoring the international rule of law.Michael Bolton is another Blowhard! He was rewarded by G.W. Bush with a meaningless Political Plum (U.S. Ambassador to the U.N.) and now he thinks he is an expert on U.S. Foreign Policy. We don't need people like Bolton in the Administration. He would be better served if he just shut up and sit down!

makersmark
07-02-2008, 02:37 PM
Except Iran isn't attacking anyone. Israel isn't defending itself. It's starting the fight.

Seriously, where is some evidence that Iran will inevitably attack Israel.

Here are some quotes from Mahmoud Ahmadinejad:

"We ask the West to remove what they created sixty years ago and if they do not listen to our recommendations, then the Palestinian nation and other nations will eventually do this for them."

"If the West does not support Israel, this regime will be toppled. As it has lost its raison d' tre, Israel will be annihilated."

"Israel is a tyrannical regime that will one day will be destroyed."

"Israel is a rotten, dried tree that will be annihilated in one storm."

"The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of a war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land. As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map."

Youre probably right. Israel has nothing to worry about. They should wait until Jerusalem disappears in a pillar of radioactive dust before taking steps to defend themselves.......:banghead:

MelL
07-02-2008, 02:43 PM
Here are some quotes from Mahmoud Ahmadinejad:


Youre probably right. Israel has nothing to worry about. They should wait until Jerusalem disappears in a pillar of radioactive dust before taking steps to defend themselves.......:banghead:


And why would Iran nuke Jerusalem?