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ric
08-01-2008, 11:42 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/2461830/Killing-for-religion-is-justified,-say-third-of-Muslim-students.html



By Patrick Sawer
Last Updated: 1:00AM BST 27 Jul 2008

The survey found that extreme Islamist ideology has a profound influence on a significant minority of Muslims on campuses across the country.

The findings will concern police chiefs, the security services and ministers, who are struggling with radicalisation among Muslim communities.

The YouGov poll was conducted for the Right-wing think tank, the Centre for Social Cohesion, at 12 universities, including Imperial College and Kings College London. It also found:

* 40 per cent support the introduction of sharia into British law for Muslims

* a third back the notion of a worldwide Islamic caliphate (state) based on sharia law

* 40 per feel it is unacceptable for Muslim men and women to mix freely

* 24 per cent do not think men and women are equal in the eyes of Allah

* a quarter have little or no respect for homosexuals.

Although 53 per cent said that killing in the name of religion was never justified, compared with 94 per cent of non-Muslims, 32 per cent said that it was. Of these, 4 per cent said killing could be justified to "promote or preserve" religion, while 28 per cent said it was acceptable if that religion were under attack.

There was also sympathy for the view that Muslim soldiers in the Armed Forces should be allowed to opt out of operations in Muslim countries, with 57 per cent agreeing.

The report's authors found that Islamic societies on campus, operating under the umbrella of the Federation of Student Islamic Societies, exert a strong influence on many of Britain's 90,000 Muslim students. A quarter of them belong to Islamic societies and their views are often more extreme.

While three-fifths of society members said that killing in the name of religion was acceptable, an equal number of non-member Muslims said it was never justified. The security services have identified Islamist activism at universities acts as a possible "gateway" to violent extremism. Several terrorists and sympathisers began their extremist careers on campuses.

The authors of the report, "Islam on Campus", lay much of the blame for extremism among Muslim students on the group Hizb ut-Tahrir, which seeks to build a worldwide Islamic state.

YouGov polled 600 Muslim students and 800 non-Muslim students at universities with a high number of Muslims.




Apologists will point to minority opinions and continue to state that it is just a minority that feels that way, not all, not the majority, but what they will refuse to look at, is the fact that the MAJORITY will not control the MINORITY. Two thirds may not believe that killing for their religion is acceptable, so they won't do it, but they won't stop the 1/3 and won't assist the police either.

Brits continue to ignore the evidence and continue to stick their "collective heads" in the sand

Mugatu
08-01-2008, 11:51 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/2461830/Killing-for-religion-is-justified,-say-third-of-Muslim-students.html




Apologists will point to minority opinions and continue to state that it is just a minority that feels that way, not all, not the majority, but what they will refuse to look at, is the fact that the MAJORITY will not control the MINORITY. Two thirds may not believe that killing for their religion is acceptable, so they won't do it, but they won't stop the 1/3 and won't assist the police either.

Brits continue to ignore the evidence and continue to stick their "collective heads" in the sand

I dont give a shit about fundamentalist Christians because they do not represent me. I do not feel like I have a moral obligation in stopping these people because they are jackasses hiding behind a banner. If they are threatening someones life then they will be dealt with by local law. What exactly do you suggest? That we lock up Muslims because they MAY commit crimes? You even say yourself that 2/3 of them dont give a shit about fundamentalism. No doubt they want to go on living normal lives and not be associated with this retarded shit.

MelL
08-01-2008, 01:01 PM
The study was discussed earlier in this here thread: Click here for wra's thread (http://forum.ebaumsworld.com/showthread.php?t=270296)

Unfortunately, as in the .pdf that is linked in the other thread, there is no mention in the Telegraph's article as to what the questions asked were.

ric
08-01-2008, 01:10 PM
I dont give a shit about fundamentalist Christians because they do not represent me. I do not feel like I have a moral obligation in stopping these people because they are jackasses hiding behind a banner. If they are threatening someones life then they will be dealt with by local law. What exactly do you suggest? That we lock up Muslims because they MAY commit crimes? You even say yourself that 2/3 of them dont give a shit about fundamentalism. No doubt they want to go on living normal lives and not be associated with this retarded shit.



If we tread lightly, thier own blind hatred of any and all things infidel stays on the front burner enough to "radicalize". If we go for wiping them off the face of the earth...but how does one find the "all" who hold things in the confines of thier selves? and if we go for the 'middle ground', they take it as a victory, they've defeated the Great American Satan, and then it becomes a world-wide Israel/Palestinian scenario....long-drawn-out aka infinite, till hell freezes over

Its a no win situation, as you begin to look at it. Persecute = Radicalize and ramifications, Kill 'Em All and let Allah Sort 'em Out = radicalize and ramifications, trade embargos = radicalize and ramifications, do nothing and tolerate = radicalize and ramifications.

So... when its a no-win situation, it becomes survival vs. non-survival. If that falls under the appearance of intolerance; then that's what it has to be. I'm intolerant of not surviving due to tolerance.

Are you a survivalist or a non-survivalist?

Shameless
08-01-2008, 01:39 PM
So... when its a no-win situation, it becomes survival vs. non-survival. If that falls under the appearance of intolerance; then that's what it has to be. I'm intolerant of not surviving due to tolerance.

Are you a survivalist or a non-survivalist?

We are not fighting for our survival. We are not in danger of being destroyed. Our way of life isn't in any danger of going away, and that would be the same even if we lived in the UK.


Your nonsense bullshit has gotten frankly ridiculous, and the fact the you would even list "annihilation" as an option scares the living shit out of me.

Mugatu
08-01-2008, 01:56 PM
If we tread lightly, thier own blind hatred of any and all things infidel stays on the front burner enough to "radicalize". If we go for wiping them off the face of the earth...but how does one find the "all" who hold things in the confines of thier selves? and if we go for the 'middle ground', they take it as a victory, they've defeated the Great American Satan, and then it becomes a world-wide Israel/Palestinian scenario....long-drawn-out aka infinite, till hell freezes over

Its a no win situation, as you begin to look at it. Persecute = Radicalize and ramifications, Kill 'Em All and let Allah Sort 'em Out = radicalize and ramifications, trade embargos = radicalize and ramifications, do nothing and tolerate = radicalize and ramifications.

So... when its a no-win situation, it becomes survival vs. non-survival. If that falls under the appearance of intolerance; then that's what it has to be. I'm intolerant of not surviving due to tolerance.

Are you a survivalist or a non-survivalist?

I opt for peace and understanding. I know that concept may seem "radical" but it sure beats the alternative options you have given us. I fully believe that the average citizens of the world share a common drive for peace and stability. It is only those in positions of powers with private agendas that create the world we live in now, spreading their beliefs through fear and oppression. As citizens we must maintain constant vigilance and ensure our liberties stay intact so that we do not fall victem to the chaos and segragation that these people are trying to promote.

Muslims arent my enemy. People who violate my basic freedoms are my enemy, in whatever form or fashion they appear in.

We all die in the end but it is our principles that define who we are. I will never compromise them to live a few more years because whats the point? The part of me that mattered most would have been already dead.