Official NFL 2008 Thread

[atreyu_2020]

Preseason is almost over and the regular season begins next week. This is the time of year when every fan seems like a winner. But remember, theres excitement and heart break along the way. Your team will win on bad calls and lose on bad calls, they'll play their heart out against a contender but win or lose a close one in a trap. It's all part of the game and this is before the tension starts.

Anyway, some predictions. I went down every week and picked a winner for every single game. Can I remember some I picked? Absolutely not, in fact they will definitely change over the course of the season, but here's what I got.

Patriots 14-2
Jets 8-8
Bills 8-8
Dolphins 4-12

Steelers 10-6
Browns 7-9
Bengals 6-10
Ravens 4-12

Colts 14-2
Jags 14-2
Texans 8-8
Titans 7-9

Chargers 12-4
Broncos 9-7
Raiders 6-10
Chiefs 5-11

1. Patriots
2. Colts
3. Chargers
4. Steelers
5. Jags
6. Broncos

- I know, predictable blah blah. I'll admit I had Jacksonville winning an awful lot as I went down and for some strange goddamn reason I had the Broncos going 9-7. Again, these are my early season predictions and it certainly can change later on in the year. I think the Pats, Colts, Steelers, Chargers, and Jags are going to repeat a playoff birth like last season, and like last season the 6th spot will be wide open. There's going to be quite similar playoff matches that were there last year. It's not being "predictable", it's being reasonable.

Cowboys 12-4
Eagles 11-5
Redskins 9-7
Giants 9-7

Packers 9-7
Vikings 9-7
Bears 4-12
Lions 4-12

Seahawks 8-8
Cardinals 8-8
Rams 6-10
49ers 5-11

Saints 10-6
Panthers 8-8
Buccs 6-10
Falcons 3-13

1. Cowboys
2. Saints
3. Packers
4. Seahawks
5. Eagles
6. Redskins

- Some changes from last season, Cowboys and Seahawks seem locks right now, everything else is questionable. Packers/Vikings, Saints/Panthers, and of course the 2 wildcard spots which will involve the Eagles, Redskins, Giants and the either Packers/Vikings/Saints/Panthers. Again, before Giant fans start denting my dick, this is right now and over the course of the season it'll change. Giants can easily make the playoffs and the Redskins can easily not, relax.

#6. Broncos @ #3. Chargers - Chargers
#5. Jags @ #4. Steelers (The Bruise Bowl) - Steelers

#6. Redskins @ #3. Packers - Redskins
#5. Eagles @ #4. Seahawks - Eagles

#3. Chargers @ #2. Colts - Colts
#4. Steelers @ #1. Patriots - Patriots

#6. Redskins @ #2. Saints - Redskins
#5. Eagles @ #1. Cowboys - Eagles

COLTS vs. PATRIOTS - PATRIOTS
EAGLES vs. REDSKINS - REDSKINS

Super Bowl

New England Patriots vs. Washington Redskins - New England Patriots

I think it could be typical in the AFC and shocking for the NFC. I'm going with the Redskins being the Giants of 2007 and the Patriots going once again, they're still the best team in the NFL with the best QB in the NFL. It's hard to argue New England going back, and this time winning it.

AWARDS

MVP - Randy Moss

Offensive MVP - Randy Moss
AFC - Randy Moss
NFC - Drew Brees

Defensive MVP - Jared Allen
AFC - Mario Williams
NFC - Jared Allen

Rookie of the Year - DeSean Jackson
AFC - Darren McFadden
NFC - DeSean Jackson

Offensive Rookie of the Year - DeSean Jackson
AFC - Darren McFadden
NFC - DeSean Jackson

Defensive Rookie of the Year - Jerod Mayo
AFC - Jerod Mayo
NFC - Dan Connor

Most Improved Player - Matt Schaub
Comeback Player of the Year - Deuce McAllister
Coach of the Year - Andy Reid

STATS

Most Passing Yards - Tom Brady
Most Passing TD's - Tom Brady
Most Rushing Yards - LT
Most Rushing TD's - Joseph Addai
Most Receiving Yards - Randy Moss
Most Receiving TD's - Randy Moss

Discuss anything to do with the NFL and the upcoming season.

[chalupa]

Are you from the future?

[Roushpimpn]

Dan Conner NFC d.rookie of the year? Yea right if anything Beason would get defensive MVP. Conner doesn't have a chance to start right now at all. He's behind Nail Diggs and Landon Johnson on the depth chart. He will make an impact on ST and maybe start near the end of the season if he really plays well. He's got promise but if your looking for him to have that kind of impact id look to next year.

Redskins weren't looking so hot last week after we stomped them. Both teams planned for that game. Granted it was pre-season and i actually want them to win the NFC east but come on.

DMVP- Julius Peppers will show why he's one of the best once again.
Comeback player of the year - Jake Dehomme or Julius Peppers

Panther players to watch: Don't be surprised if Thomas Davis blows up this year, he's a physical freak and will be blitzing with Julius Peppers on his side.

John Beason will continue on his way to becoming one of the best MLB in the NFL. Him and P. Willis will be source of argument for years. Could have been ROY the last year if he started MLB the whole season last year.

Johnathan Stewart/ Deangelo Williams. Deangelo has pushed himself hard this year to improve and has looked excellent. The revamped offensive line of road graders will really help them alot.

Steve Smith should return the probowl this year now that he finally has some help at WR.

Dwayne Jarrett- Didn't show anything last year. Has significantly improved. Still has troubles with getting separation. Should be a significant redzone threat and could possible emerge as the #2 at the end of the season.

Damione Lewis DT - Underrated lineman. Jenkins left causing everyone to question the panthers d-lineman when Lewis has been a better pass rusher the whole time.

SS- Chris Harris. One of the most underrated SS in the game, led the league in FF last year and is good in coverage.

[atreyu_2020]

Oh, eh I just picked Connor cause he looked good against Pittsburgh, had no idea he wasn't starting. I'll still have him there anyway since he was pretty good at Penn State.

I could care less if the Panthers stomped the Redskins in the pre-season. I don't know what you mean when you say "they planned for that game". Did they really? They actually had meetings and watched film because the game was so important? I doubt it dude. And if you mean "it's preseason but it was still planned", well...yeah, all games are "planned" in that way if you will. Planned as in running basic plays or experimenting with certain plays. Patriots went 0-4 and I'm predicting them to win the Super Bowl. Pre-season is meaningless.

And Jesus Christ man, the Panthers are not going to win both DPotY and CPoY. The "underrated beasts" on your team is fine, but predicting both awards going to someone on your team is taking your homerism too far.

[Roushpimpn]

Oh, eh I just picked Connor cause he looked good against Pittsburgh, had no idea he wasn't starting. I'll still have him there anyway since he was pretty good at Penn State.

I could care less if the Panthers stomped the Redskins in the pre-season. I don't know what you mean when you say "they planned for that game". Did they really? They actually had meetings and watched film because the game was so important? I doubt it dude. And if you mean "it's preseason but it was still planned", well...yeah, all games are "planned" in that way if you will. Planned as in running basic plays or experimenting with certain plays. Patriots went 0-4 and I'm predicting them to win the Super Bowl. Pre-season is meaningless.

And Jesus Christ man, the Panthers are not going to win both DPotY and CPoY. The "underrated beasts" on your team is fine, but predicting both awards going to someone on your team is taking your homerism too far.


They both game planned for that game because they are getting ready for the season is what i meant. I wasn't predicting that Peppers would win both awards. I was saying that he could get either of those considering his down year last season. Delhomme's a good qb. Should he start where he left off last year comeback player of the year is completely in his range.

[Mysterio]

Cant wait! Sept 4th girst game Giants kick off against the Redskins!!

[atreyu_2020]

WEEK 1 PREDICTIONS

Redskins @ Giants - Giants
Bengals @ Ravens - Bengals
Lions @ Falcons - Lions
Seahawks @ Bills - Bills
Jets @ Dolphins - Jets
Chiefs @ Patriots - Patriots
Buccs @ Saints - Saints
Rams @ Eagles - Eagles
Texans @ Steelers - Steelers
Jags @ Titans - Jags
Cowboys @ Browns - Cowboys
Panthers @ Chargers - Chargers
Cardinals @ 49ers - Cardinals
Bears @ Colts - Colts
Vikings @ Packers - Vikings
Broncos @ Raiders - Broncos

Most Intriguing Game of the Week - Vikings @ Packers. Nothing like a rivalry to start off the season. The first game with a new starting quarterback in multiple years for the Packers. Here, they face a hungry and talented Vikings defense and offense, bar quarterback. The Vikings know the hype they have behind them, and with that defense it's well deserved. The Pack don't want to be stood up at home for the first game of the year, so they'll have to match with the Vikings intensity. Not "game of the week", but "most intriguing" considering the variables coming in this week, the main one of course being the first Pack game without Favre, how do they hold up against one of the best defenses in the league?

Lock of the Week - No brainer, Chiefs @ Patriots. This doesn't have the makings to be an upset, at all. Patriots offense is going to put up atleast 34 and the Chiefs offense just can't simply match that. They lack a receiving core, unproven quarterback, questionable O-line, and one good player (Larry Johnson) can't carry them, especially in Foxboro on opening day.

Upset of the Week - If I don't have an upset pick for the week, this is simply who I believe has the best chance to upset. Looking at this weeks schedule it's pretty straight forward, however the one that strikes my attention is Texans @ Steelers that could have the makings of an upset. I think the Texans are a bit underrated coming into this season. They have a good defense and their offense will surprise people. The Steelers have to be careful or else by the end of the day Johnson could have 120+ yards and be down by 3 with 40 seconds to go. Problem for the Texans is they poccess no run game so they won't be able to run the clock if they lead at one point. Do I see the Texans winning? No, Steelers are too talented for them on both sides of the ball, but am I underestimating the Texans? Definitely not.

Game of the Week - Redskins @ Giants - I think this one could prove to be a very close game with 2 talented teams, one being the Super Bowl champs and that's always exciting. I have the Giants winning by 3 at home and this has the makings to be game of the week for sure.

[Nick is cool]

This forum has been pretty non active lately.. nice to see atreyu is picking up other people's slack though.

[Roushpimpn]

Panthers upset the chargers this week.

[SportsFan81]

How do you have the Skins making the Superbowl let alone playoffs with a brand new coach and a below par offense. Vikings will beat out the Pack, and take the division.

[atreyu_2020]

How do you have the Skins making the Superbowl let alone playoffs with a brand new coach and a below par offense. Vikings will beat out the Pack, and take the division.

The Skins don't have a below par offense and I have them making it because that's how it fucking happened, not because I think they're the best team in the NFC.

[KakUMei]

I'll just re-post my pics here.

AFC:

1) Jaguars 13-3
2) Patriots 13-3
3) Browns 11-5 (Could just as easily be the steelers)
4) Chargers 11-5
5) Colts 11-5
6) Jets 9-7 (easy easy schedule)

NFC:

1) Cowboys 13-3
2) Packers 11-5
3) Saints 10-6
4) Cardinals 8-8 (Tie with Sea @ 8-8 but get in due to head to head)
5) Eagles 11-5
6) Vikings 10-6

Playoffs:

AFC:

Browns over Jets
Colts over Chargers

Patriots over Browns
Jaguars over Colts

Jaguars over Patriots

NFC:

Vikings over Saints
Eagles over Cardinals

Cowboys over Vikings
Packers over Eagles

Cowboys over Packers

Super Bowl: Cowboys over Jaguars

Kind of off the wall but I didn't want to be boring and pick Cowboys and Patriots like everyone else in the world.

[atreyu_2020]

It is off the wall since the Browns aren't going to win 11 games with their schedule. You have to give in the fact they open with Dallas, while I think Cleveland can contend that's more then likely a loss for them. There's no one on that defense that can contain TO, Witten, Crayton, etc. You have to look at games with the Bengals and Steelers, both teams play each other hard and you're more then likely to atleast lose 2/4 of those games. Already that's 3 probable losses. Add games such as at Phili, Indy, at Jacksonville, Giants, at Tennessee, it's rough. 11 is certainly not impossible but I have them going 7-9, with at the most 9 wins this season.

You made the cardinal mistake, nudge nudge, of picking the Cardinals to win the division. I've been on their bandwagon for years now and they never fail to let me down. It's not that they arent talented, cause they are, it's just a cursed franchise. Kind of like how everyone (including myself) picked Carolina to go far into the playoffs and they haven't done didly dick since their Super Bowl year. Also, you weren't boring, you were half boring, you still had Cowboys going to the Super Bowl, so half boring.

Speaking of Carolina fans, I don't think there's a much confident bunch on this site. I don't ever remember you people this confident. Is it the fact that you took it for granted when everyone was predicting your team to do well for the last 3 years or so. Then when they finally get off board because they've bombed majorly in peoples predictions you got pissy and now are expecting huge things from them to show the naysayers wrong? Please spare us a novel of why the Panthers are going to be good. While there's always the possibility of an upset, the Chargers are just a more well rounded team then Carolina. Isn't that what you guys based Carolinas season on, the fact they are the most balanced in the NFC South (not like it matters anyway considering you'll probably still split with New Orleans) they're going up against a more balanced team in the Chargers, hey, it's balance. I wish you gents luck, it would make up for all the past years I predicted Carolina to go to the Super Bowl and all I got in return was a subpar season.

[Banzai]

I would agree with the high ranking of the steelers, maybe because im a steelers fan. however, 9 of their 16 games are against teams at least one game over .500. They play the entire NFC East as well as the four top teams in the AFC (SD, IND, NE, and JAX)

My predictions:
WAS over NYG
DET over ATL
CIN over BAL (and the inevitable benching of Flacco)
BUF over SEA (Trent Edwards, remember that name)
MIA over NYJ (Ricky Williams wins the battle of tired out players against Favre)
NE over KC
TB over NO
STL over PHI (Steven Jackson is signed and happy now...)
PIT over HOU
JAX over TEN (it'll be close and low scoring though)
DAL over CLE
CAR over SD (yeah I said it)
ARI over SF
IND over CHI
MIN over GB (landslide)
OAK over DEN

a pretty predictable week

[atreyu_2020]

They have atleast 5 wins in their own division, they'll beat Houston, Tennessee, and of those 8 teams you mentioned they're not going to lose all of them. If they're sitting on 7 wins with 5 division games and Titans/Texans, all they have to do is win 3 of those 8 games to get to 10 wins. The Steelers aren't the Niners, they wont lose all 8 of those games.

[Roushpimpn]

Speaking of Carolina fans, I don't think there's a much confident bunch on this site. I don't ever remember you people this confident. Is it the fact that you took it for granted when everyone was predicting your team to do well for the last 3 years or so. Then when they finally get off board because they've bombed majorly in peoples predictions you got pissy and now are expecting huge things from them to show the naysayers wrong? Please spare us a novel of why the Panthers are going to be good. While there's always the possibility of an upset, the Chargers are just a more well rounded team then Carolina. Isn't that what you guys based Carolinas season on, the fact they are the most balanced in the NFC South (not like it matters anyway considering you'll probably still split with New Orleans) they're going up against a more balanced team in the Chargers, hey, it's balance. I wish you gents luck, it would make up for all the past years I predicted Carolina to go to the Super Bowl and all I got in return was a subpar season.


Heres why they can upset the chargers. The chargers will likely be missing their starting thier starting left tackle. The panthers are good at stopping the run. Peppers will be on the right side to our advantage. Our secondary can handle their WRs. Gates will be biggest concern come Sunday, although he is nicked up as well as Rivers. The chargers have a history of starting slow. Our run game has been clicking on all cylinders and the bolts have been getting run on all pre-season(Though i will take that with a grain of salt). The injured Merriman will be run at and i don't expect him to be that effective.

We are without Smith but we have big targets in Muhammad, Hackett, Jarrett, and Rosario. They also have Norv Turner as their coach. This isn't blind homerism i just actually know a little bit about the two teams. Ive never run from this board because the panthers didn't reach expectations. They've got the right pieces this year thats why we are excited.

[atreyu_2020]

They have Norv Turner as their coach? That didn't stop them from winning 11 games this season. Unless it's the playoffs THEN you could bring up the fact Norv Turner is their coach. The Panthers are good at stopping the run, but the Chargers better at running the football then the Panthers are stopping the run.

The Chargers have a history of starting slow? Really? Like seriously, is this knowing "a little bit" about the two teams? I just looked at both teams opening games in the past few years and they're both about the same ratio as far as wins and losses. It doesn't stop the Chargers from being more talented.

Your secondary could handle their WR's but the Chargers can very easily handle your WR's as well, especially without Smith. Both teams don't have the best WR depth, but the difference will be Antonio Gates. He's better then any receiving threat the Panthers have going in that game. It's an interesting game but I think the Chargers win by atleast 10.

[Roushpimpn]

They have Norv Turner as their coach? That didn't stop them from winning 11 games this season. Unless it's the playoffs THEN you could bring up the fact Norv Turner is their coach. The Panthers are good at stopping the run, but the Chargers better at running the football then the Panthers are stopping the run.

The Chargers have a history of starting slow? Really? Like seriously, is this knowing "a little bit" about the two teams? I just looked at both teams opening games in the past few years and they're both about the same ratio as far as wins and losses. It doesn't stop the Chargers from being more talented.

Your secondary could handle their WR's but the Chargers can very easily handle your WR's as well, especially without Smith. Both teams don't have the best WR depth, but the difference will be Antonio Gates. He's better then any receiving threat the Panthers have going in that game. It's an interesting game but I think the Chargers win by atleast 10.

It will be a close game. Yea as i said Gates is the concern. Their run game will not be at full steam so i like our chances. I think we will be able to make a possession style passing attack as our WRs have some size on their secondary. Neither team is going to get beat deep. San Diego finished middle of the road in run defense a few slots ahead of us despite our offensive woes so i have full confidence that they can handle LT. Turner just rides their fucking talent. He's a good offensive mind but his career as a head coach has been sub par at best.

[The_Bosh]

Defensive MVP -
AFC - Mario Williams




:boink:


Srsly though, if we get to Ben on Sunday we might have a chance.

[atreyu_2020]

:boink:


Srsly though, if we get to Ben on Sunday we might have a chance.

Bens handled enough pressure and can take a lickin, if anything putting pressure on Ben makes him perform better. I think if the Texans win it'll be because the Steelers defense can't stop Schaub/Johnson and their special teams beat the piss out of us.

[bobtheflob]

Are the Redskins really that bad? Are the Giants really that inconsistent? As a Cowboys fan I was pleased with how that game looked, but I know it's only one game.

[atreyu_2020]

It is only one game but I have a feeling the Redskins aren't ready for a Super Bowl appearence. Like I said before, those predictions were offseason predictions and I basically winged the NFC.

The Redskins playcalling, time management, and gameplan was absolutely atrocious last night. I haven't seen a poorer display of time management since Seattle in the Super Bowl. It took them 20 seconds to spike the ball! Played waay too conservative with all those dink and dunks when they needed the first down. They just looked lost on offense.

Now, on the other side, Giants didn't look all that spectacular either. Their defense looked good but the Redskins offense just looked completely out of sync last night. Eli Manning could have had atleast 5 picks in that game with his play. He some nice throws to Burress but the Skins just couldn't get a grip on those balls he was throwing to them. Of course this is the first regular season game so it's still a feeling our process, therefore we won't know much about these 2 teams until a few weeks from now.

[Banzai]

Bens handled enough pressure and can take a lickin, if anything putting pressure on Ben makes him perform better. I think if the Texans win it'll be because the Steelers defense can't stop Schaub/Johnson and their special teams beat the piss out of us.

Please Johnson's washed up and Schaub has yet to deliver... I agree with the special teams though, that's how Arizona beat us last year.

I'm interested to see how our o-line does without the leadership of faneca and hartings...

[The_Bosh]

Please Johnson's washed up



:err: come again?

[atreyu_2020]

Please Johnson's washed up and Schaub has yet to deliver... I agree with the special teams though, that's how Arizona beat us last year.

I'm interested to see how our o-line does without the leadership of faneca and hartings...

Andre Johnson is far from washed up,he's only 27. He does have injury problems but when he's not injured he's a hassle.

Well look at it this way, it can't get any worse then last season, in my opinion letting Faneca go was the way it should be. The last 3 years now he was nothing but dog shit for us. A BIG improvement was that we let Mahan go a few days ago. The line starts with a center and last year he couldn't suffice. Hartwig is a big improvement over him, imo.

Hartings also retired last year.

[Banzai]

without a clean bill of health and a decent QB johnson will never be a top receiver, and the texans will never break .500

and yes mahan was a big let down, but max starks has been the weakest lineman since he stepped in three years ago

[SportsFan81]

Eagles should win by 14-17 pts against the Rams. They're still rebuilding and McNabb should be back in his golden form

[Wu-tang]

To be fair, Amani Toomer and Plax were hurt during preseason and didn't play much at all(why Hixon had such a huge game against Cleveland, he was also out for this game) so their timing is a little off. Overall an all right game, besides the fact that it was the most boring 3 quarters I've ever watched of a NYG football game. Running game is still beastly though.

[The_Bosh]

without a clean bill of health and a decent QB johnson will never be a top receiver, and the texans will never break .500





He missed 7 games last year and still got 850 yds and 8 TDs. I'll keep you updated this season with his stats, starting on Sunday.



edit: We have the same quarterback(s) as last year

[atreyu_2020]

Well he didn't start padding his stats until the second half when the Steelers stopped playing.

Anyway, holy shit, you Panther fans called it, upset over the Chargers within the last 2 seconds of the game, exciting shit.

[Liberator13]

Holy shit, that was crazy. I had no feelings that Carolina could pull that out.

[Roushpimpn]

Told you so. Carolinas back baby. We were kicking there ass all game and SD got some luck calls but we stuck it to them.

[Liberator13]

I'm still upset that the Chiefs couldn't pull out the win against the Pats. That sucks.

[mr.wow]

Oh fuck that was not cool. Not cool at all :wah:

Well I have to say that whoever said Chargers tend to start out slow in the beginning are right.

[Roushpimpn]

Oh fuck that was not cool. Not cool at all :wah:

Well I have to say that whoever said Chargers tend to start out slow in the beginning are right.


That maybe true but they straight up got beat. Shouldn't have been that close of a game. The Cats could have had another TD if they ran it in on the 1. Instead they fucked up a play fake.

[Warka]

Brady gone for the 2008 season.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=ArRNoKLWzS8LOxzM4EeQoJZDubYF?slug=ms-bradyoutforyear090708&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[Liberator13]

Brady gone for the 2008 season.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=ArRNoKLWzS8LOxzM4EeQoJZDubYF?slug=ms-bradyoutforyear090708&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Holy fuck, I figured he would be out for about a month, but wow.

[Roushpimpn]

Brady gone for the 2008 season.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=ArRNoKLWzS8LOxzM4EeQoJZDubYF?slug=ms-bradyoutforyear090708&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Oh shit. I didnt think it was that bad. I think they can still contend though. They've got the weapons. Cassell has to step up big.

[KakUMei]

So after watching the Cleveland and Dallas game today, I don't think we have what it takes to win the division.

I feel a 7-9, 8-8 season coming along. Pittsburgh looked good today. If we don't find a way to win against Pitt, I don't think we have much of a shot winning it.

[Geist]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH FUCK YOU SAN DIEGO!!! Go Panthers!!!!!

[Roushpimpn]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH FUCK YOU SAN DIEGO!!! Go Panthers!!!!!

Hells yea. Dante Rosario is the shit man. I knew he would be key for this game. I can't imagine what the panthers will be like once Smith gets back.

[ehogepr]

I was definetly pulling for the Panthers (they had to have been the underdog, and I almost always root for the underdog) and that (literally) last second win was amazing.. if Delhome stays healthy all season the Panthers might just make a playoff run.

And I hope to God that the Steelers D plays like that all season against every team.. I mean wow was that an impressive front by our Linebackers.. and Harrison and Woodley look like beasts!@

[atreyu_2020]

I was even more impressed by the O-line. Texans front 7 aren't slouches, not by a long shot. Mario Williams was still beastly but we contained them pretty well.

I had no doubt Woodley would be a force. Riding the bench all season because of Clark freaking Haggans was a joke. He looks fast out there. I hope they don't take Cleveland lightly next week. I think we'll beat them but there's always that chance especially after a dominating performance.

[Banzai]

And I hope to God that the Steelers D plays like that all season against every team.. I mean wow was that an impressive front by our Linebackers.. and Harrison and Woodley look like beasts!@

if you watched the monday night game against baltimore last season, you would know harrison is half gorilla and half axe murderer. woodley did make a good start for himself, well have to see they do against a more experienced offensive line. i was very pleased to see polamalu looking like his old self.

and is michael turner the real deal or does detroit's run defense blow that bad?

[pacaveli]

Oh shit. I didnt think it was that bad. I think they can still contend though. They've got the weapons. Cassell has to step up big.


He has to step up huge, you can't lose a QB like Brady and expect to win games with just small improvements from a half decent backup. Should make things more interesting this year though

[ehogepr]

I was even more impressed by the O-line. Texans front 7 aren't slouches, not by a long shot. Mario Williams was still beastly but we contained them pretty well.

I had no doubt Woodley would be a force. Riding the bench all season because of Clark freaking Haggans was a joke. He looks fast out there. I hope they don't take Cleveland lightly next week. I think we'll beat them but there's always that chance especially after a dominating performance.

I've been telling everyone to watch Woodley have a probowl season his first year as a starter, definetly BS he had to wait for Haggans and even though I do like Foote, I really want Timmons to be starting because he looked just plain sick in the preseason.. and I really wouldn't be surprised to see silverback putting up probowl stats again either.. 3 sacks 1 ff and 6 tackles today very nice (I also noticed he was held a few times.. I think he could have had five sacks honestly).

Oh and yeah the O-line was definetly having some pretty good blocks today I was actually somewhat surprised and honestly I think the Steelers are just going to be hungrier for another win, I don't see us taking Cleveland lightly but I don't see us not playing confidently either.

[atreyu_2020]

Hah I know what you're talking about with the holding. There was a play where both Farrior and Harrison were held I believe and they still sacked Schaub.

[ehogepr]

That phantom interference call on Hines Ward pissed me off... he woulda had what.. 150 yds recieving which would have led the league this week and Ben would have had a perfect passer rating but uhh yeah it's not like we didn't dominate that game until the fourth quarter or so.. so no complaints from me lol.

[Rootraz]

Sweet, the Titans pulled through today. 7 sacks today! We have an awesome d-line though.

[Liberator13]

What a crappy "roughing the passer" call. That was pathetic.

I'm decently happy at the moment. Forte looks good so far.

[SportsFan81]

How about those Eagles? I mean it was the Rams but a nice showing none the less.

[Marcos2990]

hell ya go how bout them bills, starting the season off with a win :D

and thank god I didn't draft brady in my fantasy league

[Fireal87]

ok, Brady hasn't even gone in for tests and shit, so they don't know how long hes out for.

[Liberator13]

I may explode if they overturn this safety.

[Marcos2990]

manning isn't looking like his old self.

that injury has taken a toll on him.

[Liberator13]

I'm not happy with our secondary, I'm not impressed. Mike Brown & Co. need to step it up. Glad we finally got to Peyton.

[SportsFan81]

Im a huge Colts fan, so im not liking this 1st half im seeing. How about those Titans / Panthers with some nice upsets imo.

[Warka]

Eagles looked really good today. McNabb looked unstoppable and that was without his 2 top recievers. And their defense is amazing too. I'm really looking forward to this season.:boink:

[bobtheflob]

The Eagles and Cowboys were two of the most impressive looking teams so far in week one. They meet in an early divisional matchup next week in Dallas, should be a great game. I hope Barber is healthy.

[The_Bosh]

Steelers looked REALLY good today. Texans looked REALLY bad. Only good thing we got out of that game was Mario's two sacks and forced fumble. Wow. What a ridiculous blowout. Good game Pittsburgh.




Brady going down destroys so many fantasy teams.....Not mine though :D

[Mr Chainsaw]

People said I was crazy when I picked Michael Turner with my 4th pick in my fantasy draft. Who's laughing now bitches? I also started Roethlisberger, Gore, and Burleson. I like my team.

[The_Bosh]

People said I was crazy when I picked Michael Turner with my 4th pick in my fantasy draft. Who's laughing now bitches? I also started Roethlisberger, Gore, and Burleson. I like my team.

4th pick overall?? or 4th round pick??

[atreyu_2020]

That phantom interference call on Hines Ward pissed me off... he woulda had what.. 150 yds recieving which would have led the league this week and Ben would have had a perfect passer rating but uhh yeah it's not like we didn't dominate that game until the fourth quarter or so.. so no complaints from me lol.

Oh I know, he like barely touched him with his arm, like he didn't even push him or prevent him from making a play or anything, it was a goddamn linebacker, he didn't need any interference. I think that might have been a make up call for that 4th and 1 spot.

WTF, I walk in the door and the Bears are beating Colts 29 to 13. Such a strange opening day. Brady's out for the year, Colts getting stomped by a mediocore team, Falcons show potential, Bengals make Flacco look good, Kyle Orton is sober, jesus.

People said I was crazy when I picked Michael Turner with my 4th pick in my fantasy draft. Who's laughing now bitches? I also started Roethlisberger, Gore, and Burleson. I like my team.

You are crazy, you could have gotten him in later rounds.

[SportsFan81]

Damn Colts. Seems Manning's injury really has taken a toll, plus the Bears D was pretty strong

[Geist]

We'll find out if Turner is the real deal when the Falcons play the Bucs. Detroit has/had one of the worst rush defenses in 2007 and that really didn't do much to improve it.

And I still abso-fucking-lutely love that the Panthers beat the team many people think were Super Bowl bound. HA! In San Diego no less.

[Liberator13]

I'm pretty happy. O-line and secondary need to improve. I was impressed with Orton, and I already love Forte.

[Banzai]

Damn Colts. Seems Manning's injury really has taken a toll, plus the Bears D was pretty strong

Madden said something about him still being on med's from his surgery, he just needs to shake this week off

but yeah the Bears looked pretty legit on D

[atreyu_2020]

We'll find out if Turner is the real deal when the Falcons play the Bucs. Detroit has/had one of the worst rush defenses in 2007 and that really didn't do much to improve it.

And I still abso-fucking-lutely love that the Panthers beat the team many people think were Super Bowl bound. HA! In San Diego no less.

Think were? They still are Super Bowl contenders. Pats may be in trouble, Colts looked like dog shit tonight, Jacksonville starts off slow. Right now it's anyones for the taking.

[SportsFan81]

Think were? They still are Super Bowl contenders. Pats may be in trouble, Colts looked like dog shit tonight, Jacksonville starts off slow. Right now it's anyones for the taking.

Well PITT looked good, and so did BUFF. they could sneak in like the JETS maybe.

[atreyu_2020]

Well PITT looked good, and so did BUFF. they could sneak in like the JETS maybe.

Naw, I still think the Chargers are a better team then Buffalo and Jets and maybe the Steelers. Jets haven't done shit yet, they barely edged out the Dolphins for fucks sake. Buffalo looked good though.

The Chargers will rebound, count on it.

[Wu-tang]

Week one is just week one. There's been SB teams that started 0-2, giving up 40 points a game... Don't get too excited yet.

[Roushpimpn]

Really proud of the panthers today. Everyone stepped up on offense. Doesn't look like the bears will be a push over next week. Should be a good game.

[Mr Chainsaw]

I'm surprised to see so many rookies excelling. Forte, Flacco, Ryan, Jackson, Johnson, and Jones all played fantastic. And they said that this rookie class sucked.

[atreyu_2020]

I think it was more of the Bengals defense that made Flacco look good. Christ they are bad.

[shawneboy]

Don't blame the Colts disgusting loss on Manning. Considering the guy didn't take so much as a snap in training camp, or a minute in preseason, he played like a fucking true mvp. Now, time and time again, the team surrounding him didn't.

The colts need to man the fuck up and shut down the running game. The colts defense strategy directly reflects their offense. They expect the offense to put points on the board, forcing the other teams offense to play aggressive. Which is why the colts have high rated cbs, and bob sanders, as well as fast lbs. If the colts offense fucks up, the other teams offense nickel and dimes on the colts d, which cannot stop it, because they are built for speed, not for stopping power.

When the colts can consistently stop the run, many more championships come their way.

[dj TASO]

What a difference Mike Brown makes. We held the Colts to just 54 yards. The Bears Super Bowl defense is back. And Matt Forte...wow..!

[Liberator13]

I absolutely love Mike Brown, but he was chasing his target a couple times. He did have one nasty hit that at the end, that was beautiful.

[SportsFan81]

Green Bay and Aaron Rodgers got a W tonight. Well done I must say, but MINN's pass offense was atrocious.

[Frostdaddy]

Go Pack Go motherfuckers. Nice TD pass by Rodgers. Although I hope I don't have to look at a Favre/Rodgers weekly QB comparison graphic. That'll get old next Sunday.

[ftbllplr]

18/22 completions for Rodgers. Not huge as far as yardage goes, but no interceptions, 81% completion, a passing touchdown, and a rushing touchdown. Pretty good.

[Banzai]

18/22 completions for Rodgers. Not huge as far as yardage goes, but no interceptions, 81% completion, a passing touchdown, and a rushing touchdown. Pretty good.

he played beyond his stats

i saw maybe two or three bad passes, but he stayed calm in the pocket and even took off a few times for some first downs. not a bad start...

[Liberator13]

Wow, Rodgers numbers were impressive. I just got home, so I missed the game.

[FuNkYFreSH]

Raiders getting clobbered

[atreyu_2020]

Raiders getting clobbered

What else is new.

Lulz, Raiders.

[SportsFan81]

18/22 completions for Rodgers. Not huge as far as yardage goes, but no interceptions, 81% completion, a passing touchdown, and a rushing touchdown. Pretty good.

He doesn't have to win the game with his arm, he just can't lose it for them. Meaning like last night, no picks, and a high completion percentage.


Also, lol at Oakland. Didn't realize how bad their D was.

[Liberator13]

Even Warren Sapp was bagging on the Oakland D on one of the Sunday pregame shows.

[atreyu_2020]

I'm so glad the Pack won last night. Seriously, how can you not like Rodgers? The way he took the entire situation for 4, count'em, 4 years is fucking remarkable. Every time he wins I'll think of all the selfish years Favre gave that team.

Good for Aaron.

And Raiders are awful, again.

[YankeesSuck]

Don't worry Vince Young was just chilling at a friends house, watching MNF and eating chicken wings.

They thought he was going to commit suicide. :lol:

[MP.]

18/22 completions for Rodgers. Not huge as far as yardage goes, but no interceptions, 81% completion, a passing touchdown, and a rushing touchdown. Pretty good.

And he had a TD called back on a penalty. (lineman was down field)


Hopefully some of those Brett Favre fans will decide that they want to be Green Bay Packer fans again.

[wils0646]

I'm so glad the Pack won last night. Seriously, how can you not like Rodgers? The way he took the entire situation for 4, count'em, 4 years is fucking remarkable. Every time he wins I'll think of all the selfish years Favre gave that team.

Good for Aaron.

And Raiders are awful, again.

Selfish years? Cmon, he just wanted to play and he played well. And we almost reached the Super Bowl last year. With the exception of this last offseason, the retirement wavering was justified, IMO. But when he made a retirement announcement and then wanted to come back...that was too much.

Of course, this year I completely sided with management and not Brett. As much as Favre was my favorite player, it was AR's turn. What Favre did was incredibly selfish this offseason and he tried to paint our amazing head coach and GM as horrible people. MM and TT were the MAIN REASON why Favre was successful last year. Period. I lost a little respect for my favorite player.

I'm incredibly excited about AR and our future. Last game was just awesome. It should have been more of a blowout though.

[atreyu_2020]

Imagine Vince Young in Aaron Rodgers shoes.. :uhoh:

Anyway, Week 1 POWER RANKINGS

1. New York Giants - Stick with the rules, until they get beat, they're #1. It wasn't the prettiest win, Eli didn't look sharp and the Skins had some of the work playcalling and clock management I've seen in a very long time. They're still the Super Bowl champs, and they still haven't lost.

2. New England Patriots - They lost the MVP of the league for the year. They need to be a more balanced team if they want to go far in the playoffs. It all starts with Maroney, I believe he can carry the load and Cassel will manage the game. This team is still dangerous with those offensive weapons and veteran defense.

3. Pittsburgh Steelers - [/U]That was a destruction over an underrated team. They looked fantastic on both sides of the ball, special teams performed, and more importantly the o-line looked good against a great front 7. It's bad when your starters are resting for an entire quarter.

4. Dallas Cowboys - Not a surprising win by all means going into Cleveland. Dallas are one of the elite teams in the NFC and the Browns simply just couldn't match them. Regardless of what defense they played, Romo looked fantastic and their run game is scary.

5. Philadelphia Eagles - Much like the Steelers, they looked great on both sides of the ball and didn't let the Rams breathe. This was my sleeper team in the NFC, this is why. McNabb and Westbrook are healthy, their defense is improved, and they have a young, talented receiving core.

6. Chicago Bears - Injured/rusty Manning or not, that was an impressive win. And just a reminder, Manning doesn't play defense. Chicago ran over Indys D, very badly. With a win in Indy you have to move them up the power rankings.

7. Carolina Panthers - Went into San Diego and proved they can be a great team with that less then 2 minute drill against San Diegos defense. They never gave up and stuck with one of the elite teams in the NFL, gotta give them their respect.

8. Tennessee Titans - Not often does your star quarterback have a mental breakdown during the game, and that team wins. Especially against a team many thought/still think are Super Bowl contenders in the Jags. I truly forgot how talented their defense is, they're nasty.

9. Buffalo Bills - Fucking Bills are pissed. We all knew they'd bring the ST but the rest of the team also shown they can play some football too. If this team can stay pissed off like this they could be the ones that sneak up on New England.

10. Green Bay Packers - That's not an easy win for the Pack. Vikings have the best D-line in the league and the rest of the D aren't slouches either. Rodgers did me wonders and proved that this team doesn't need selfish, ignorant pricks to win big games against division rivals. How can you not like Aaron Rodgers? Good for him.

11. New Orleans Saints
12. Denver Broncos
13. San Diego Chargers
14. Indianapolis Colts
15. Jacksonville Jaguars
16. Arizona Cardinals
17. New York Jets
18. Minnesota Vikings
19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
20. Atlanta Falcons

21. Cleveland Browns
22. Baltimore Ravens
23. Houston Texans
24. Seattle Seahawks
25. Kansas City Chiefs
26. Washington Redskins
27. Cincinnati Bengals
28. San Francisco 49ers
29. Detroit Lions
30. Miami Dolphins
31. St. Louis Rams
32. Oakland Raiders

[Roushpimpn]

The Colts run defense is just terrible. Its been terrible the past few weeks as they were getting run on in pre season. Good job by the Bears taking advantage of that. Nice to the panthers get some respect in the espn rankings. Make no mistake about it they outplayed the chargers the whole game. That was not a lucky last second drive. They really should have been up by at least 10. Carolina's o-line threw the bolts d-line around. Panthers really gotta work on the penalties. The false starts really cost them in the redzone opportunities they had.

[Nick is cool]

Imagine Vince Young in Aaron Rodgers shoes.. :uhoh:

Anyway, Week 1 POWER RANKINGS

1. New York Giants - Stick with the rules, until they get beat, they're #1. It wasn't the prettiest win, Eli didn't look sharp and the Skins had some of the work playcalling and clock management I've seen in a very long time. They're still the Super Bowl champs, and they still haven't lost.

2. New England Patriots - They lost the MVP of the league for the year. They need to be a more balanced team if they want to go far in the playoffs. It all starts with Maroney, I believe he can carry the load and Cassel will manage the game. This team is still dangerous with those offensive weapons and veteran defense.

3. Pittsburgh Steelers - [/U]That was a destruction over an underrated team. They looked fantastic on both sides of the ball, special teams performed, and more importantly the o-line looked good against a great front 7. It's bad when your starters are resting for an entire quarter.

4. Dallas Cowboys - Not a surprising win by all means going into Cleveland. Dallas are one of the elite teams in the NFC and the Browns simply just couldn't match them. Regardless of what defense they played, Romo looked fantastic and their run game is scary.

5. Philadelphia Eagles - Much like the Steelers, they looked great on both sides of the ball and didn't let the Rams breathe. This was my sleeper team in the NFC, this is why. McNabb and Westbrook are healthy, their defense is improved, and they have a young, talented receiving core.

6. Chicago Bears - Injured/rusty Manning or not, that was an impressive win. And just a reminder, Manning doesn't play defense. Chicago ran over Indys D, very badly. With a win in Indy you have to move them up the power rankings.

7. Carolina Panthers - Went into San Diego and proved they can be a great team with that less then 2 minute drill against San Diegos defense. They never gave up and stuck with one of the elite teams in the NFL, gotta give them their respect.

8. Tennessee Titans - Not often does your star quarterback have a mental breakdown during the game, and that team wins. Especially against a team many thought/still think are Super Bowl contenders in the Jags. I truly forgot how talented their defense is, they're nasty.

9. Buffalo Bills - Fucking Bills are pissed. We all knew they'd bring the ST but the rest of the team also shown they can play some football too. If this team can stay pissed off like this they could be the ones that sneak up on New England.

10. Green Bay Packers - That's not an easy win for the Pack. Vikings have the best D-line in the league and the rest of the D aren't slouches either. Rodgers did me wonders and proved that this team doesn't need selfish, ignorant pricks to win big games against division rivals. How can you not like Aaron Rodgers? Good for him.

11. New Orleans Saints
12. Denver Broncos
13. San Diego Chargers
14. Indianapolis Colts
15. Jacksonville Jaguars
16. Arizona Cardinals
17. New York Jets
18. Minnesota Vikings
19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
20. Atlanta Falcons

21. Cleveland Browns
22. Baltimore Ravens
23. Houston Texans
24. Seattle Seahawks
25. Kansas City Chiefs
26. Washington Redskins
27. Cincinnati Bengals
28. San Francisco 49ers
29. Detroit Lions
30. Miami Dolphins
31. St. Louis Rams
32. Oakland Raiders


IMO the pats shouldnt even sniff top 5. Maybe top 10. Their defense is too old/isnt good enough for them to be an elite team. They still have a great line and good weapons but they arent an elite team anymore i dont think.

[Liberator13]

Holy balls, didn't see the Bears jumping up THAT much.

Awesome.

[splinter]

Was anyone else as shocked as me to see the broncos do that good? I know it is just the raiders but I expected NOTHING from denver this year.

[Banzai]

I was surprised to see a rookie receiver make such a mockery of a veteran secondary, I was even more surprised to see JaMarcus Russell get absolutely no help from his offense.

So yes I was surprised at how dominant Denver looked, but good for Jay Cutler

EDIT: goddamnit did anyone hear the bullshit about some Steelers fan selling a Marcus Pollard shirt praising him for ending Brady's season. I hate the fucker but that's just low. way to give us fans and the city of Pittsburgh a bad name

[sprak_]

The Patriots now have a QB who hasn't started a football game since high school. They should not be in the top 5.

Cowboys should clearly be ahead of the Steelers... you have the Browns higher than the Texans and the Cowboys beat the Browns on the road without Terence Newman. The Cowboys could have embarrassed the Browns more but they ran out the clock for the last 10 mins of the game.

[atreyu_2020]

I only have them in the top 5 because they won their game last week and have a regular season streak going, plus they're coming off an 18-1 season. Until they lose, they don't drop in my book. Same situation with the Giants, they're the Super Bowl champs, and until they lose they'll remain #1.

Clearly? The Cowboys and Steelers both looked overly impressive last week. There isn't much difference in the two performances, other then the Steelers scored more points and the Cowboys gave up less points, even if the Steelers resulted to playing their back-ups in the 4th quarter when the Texans scored their points. The reason I have Cleveland ranked ahead of the Texans is because of their success last season. Before Week 1 I had Cleveland ranked ahead of the Texans going by last year, therefore the Browns don't drop as much. Besides, both teams got crushed. The Texans have a better defense then the Browns and the Browns have the better offense. You don't think the Steelers could have embarrassed the Texans more? They took their starters out at the start of the 4th quarter and only threw the ball about 2 times in the third quarter and still led 31-3. It's one ranking position to 3rd to 4th, let's not get hasty and make lame shit statements like "The Cowboys should clearly be ahead" when there's no hard, substantial evidence judging from Week 1. You could easily have the Cowboys at 3 and the Steelers at 4, but neither one are "clearly" ahead of the other. Both are well rounded teams that looked overly impressive against decent compeitition.

I don't see why the Eagles/Steelers get flak for beating on one bad team and one decent team but the Cowboys get a free pass? If the Steelers smack the Browns around next week I guarentee people will start shit "well Pittsburgh only beat the Browns", when just last week the Cowboys beating the Browns was a good win against a good team.

[sprak_]

Well there you go... the Cowboys had a better record last year, and they beat a better opponent than the Steelers did and they did it on the road.

[atreyu_2020]

But the Steelers looked more impressive in their victory for Week 1, it's debatable of course and again, there's no substantial evidence to "clearly" put one in front of the other.

Perhaps a better opponent, while the Browns have an atrocious defense, good offense and the Texans have a good defense and okay offense. Again, it's too close for you to clearly state Dallas should be ahead. That's my point, and neither team is clearly ahead of the other. Having Pittsburgh/Dallas at 3 or 4 isn't wrong by any means, although its so wrong to you apparently. Jesus if the Steelers were ranked one below Dallas there would be no argument, just like there isn't any here.

Browns rep is going to drop so much if they go 0-2 at home. They'll be considered bottom feeders for the Steelers when just last week Dallas was "clearly" ahead of the Steelers for beating the Browns.

A true argument would be why sportsline has the Saints ranked 3rd.

[MP.]

LOL @ Bears at 6 and Packers at 10. I think you have those flipped around. Packers are a top 5 team.

Bears beat the Colts when Manning missed all preseason and the Colts were still in that game...and they jump from the third best team in the NFC North to the 6th best team in the NFL? What a fucking joke...Ill take power rankings from anyone who isnt you.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/powerranking?season=2008&week=2
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10968862

Those are both better IMO even though the sportline link has the Aints at 3, which is laughable.

[atreyu_2020]

No, the Packers aren't a top 5 team.

I don't care if Manning missed all preseason or not. He's one of the best QB's in the league and knows how to play the game. He practiced, he's not going to forget how to play. Fact is they went into Indianapolis, do you happen to know what Indys home record has been within the last 4 or 5 years? Exactly. And they crushed them, that's impressive. Lawl, Colts were a lost cause in that game.

Hmm, well your post really says a lot about how you don't understand power rankings. By ranking the Bears at #6 does not mean they're the 6th best team in the NFL. It's power rankings, not top ranked teams. The fact that the Bears were big time underdogs IN Indy and won decisively means they move up the power rankings, I hope this isn't confusing to you.

Well that's why I have my own power rankings and sportsline/espn have theres. If I cared what simple minded morons like you thought about my power rankings by calling them a "fucking joke" without a real idea of what power rankings are about then I wouldn't have posted them, but thanks for your input :D No one has the same power rankings, and there's always people like you posting shit about how "this power ranking is a fucking joke, what a fucking idiot, I can't fucking believe these." If Pete Prisco gave a shit about the same kind of people on sportsline that post countless threads about how his power rankings suck, he wouldn't post them. That goes for everyone that makes them, and just so happens not everyone argrees, and some people, such as yourself, take offense to them as if you lose sleep over it. And people like you that call them a "fucking joke" because of a few different placements, hostile are we?

Seriously though, you're like one of those douche bags on sportsline/espn/usa today, among others that post shit like "The Real Rankings Not Dallas", "The Giant #2 ??? Are you serious???" "are you freaking kidding me?" "Prisco are you ****ing me?" "pete is an idiot" "Pete is a fool!!!" because a few different placements as if there's ONE true way to rank power rankings, then again, you don't really know how power rankings work so. Those are direct thread titles and that's only sportsline. So, who really gives a shit what power rankings you prefer? There's countless of people on sportsline that prefer other power rankings, and there's countless people that prefer no power rankings but their own. I look at sportsline and ESPN's every week and neither one of them are so awfully bad that I take them seriously like you do.

Okay, so that's my rant on choads that insult power rankings as if there's one perfect one. What's worse is choads that bash power rankings without knowing what they are ;)

[MP.]

Okay so you are saying that the Bears are the 6th best team in the league, or are you saying the Bears had the 6th best performance in week 1?

Like I said, I don't agree with the other power rankings totally, I just feel that they are MUCH more accurate than yours. You seem to be going well out on a limb on many of those. (Bears, Bills, Pats, Panthers way too high). You are basing everything just on week 1.

[Liberator13]

Packers aren't a top 5 team. Maybe #10.

[MP.]

Packers aren't a top 5 team. Maybe #10.

Maybe top 10? LOL. They are no doubt top 10. Good offense, good defense, good special teams.

And to elaborate on that. GREAT receiving corp (one of, if not THE best top to bottom in the league), good QB to get them the ball (big arm and not a turnover threat like Favre was), good RB with big play ability in Ryan Grant, good Oline (allowed 0 sacks against the best Dline in football). Then to the defense - Solid front 4 anchored by Aaron Kampman at DE and Ryan Pickett as on of the best run stoppers in football at DT. Probowl caliber LBs in Barnett and Hawk, one of the best CB tandems in the league, and two very solid players at safety.

The Packers weaknesses are few and far between...but you say they are just maybe a top 10 team? Really?

You are proof that not everyone on the internet should get an opinion.

[Liberator13]

You guys got swept by an awful Bears team last year, and that was with your Messiah still on the team.

[McShady]

Maybe top 10? LOL. They are no doubt top 10. Good offense, good defense, good special teams.

And to elaborate on that. GREAT receiving corp (one of, if not THE best top to bottom in the league), good QB to get them the ball (big arm and not a turnover threat like Favre was), good RB with big play ability in Ryan Grant, good Oline (allowed 0 sacks against the best Dline in football). Then to the defense - Solid front 4 anchored by Aaron Kampman at DE and Ryan Pickett as on of the best run stoppers in football at DT. Probowl caliber LBs in Barnett and Hawk, one of the best CB tandems in the league, and two very solid players at safety.

The Packers weaknesses are few and far between...but you say they are just maybe a top 10 team? Really?

You are proof that not everyone on the internet should get an opinion.

Yeah guys only packer fans are allowed to have opinions.

/sarcasm

I'm assuming you watched the game vs the vikings. Did you see that they only beat the vikings by 5? Did you notice the vikings were coming back for the final score in the last two minutes until Tavaris threw a bad pass? I'd say your MVP for that game would have been Tavaris. Sure, the pack played alright, but they were at home and playing a 'decent' team, which by the way they only beat by 5 and probably would have lost if the vikings had a good QB. I would not put the pack in the top ten.

[MP.]

You guys got swept by an awful Bears team last year, and that was with your Messiah still on the team.

I'm assuming you watched the game vs the vikings. Did you see that they only beat the vikings by 5? Did you notice the vikings were coming back for the final score in the last two minutes until Tavaris threw a bad pass? I'd say your MVP for that game would have been Tavaris. Sure, the pack played alright, but they were at home and playing a 'decent' team, which by the way they only beat by 5 and probably would have lost if the vikings had a good QB. I would not put the pack in the top ten.

I dont know where youve been, but the Vikings are a very good team with a top defense, top OL, and arguably the best RB in the league...many picked them to win the division and some to go to the Super Bowl and win it.

The Packers had something like 12 penalties for 100+ yards and they still won...

[Roushpimpn]

The vikings have yet to prove they have the best d-line in football.

[Liberator13]

I dont know where youve been, but the Vikings are a very good team with a top defense, top OL, and arguably the best RB in the league...many picked them to win the division and some to go to the Super Bowl and win it.

The Packers had something like 12 penalties for 100+ yards and they still won...

The Vikings should have the 2 best lines in the entire league. That's how it looks on paper, anyways. However, they have one of the worst secondaries in the league. Don't start throwing names at me, I know who they are, and I haven't been impressed with them for awhile.

The Packers won because Tavaris can't throw.

[atreyu_2020]

Week 2 Predictions

Packers @ Lions - Packers
Giants @ Rams - Giants
Saints @ Redskins - Saints
Bills @ Jags - Jags
Titans @ Bengals - Titans
Raiders @ Chiefs - Chiefs
Colts @ Vikings - Colts
Bears @ Panthers - Panthers
Falcons @ Buccs - Buccs
49ers @ Seahawks - Seahawks
Chargers @ Broncos - Chargers
Dolphins @ Cards - Cards
Patriots @ Jets - Patriots
Steelers @ Browns - Steelers
Ravens @ Texans - Texans
Eagles @ Cowboys - Cowboys

Most Intriguing Game of the Week - Bears @ Panthers. Talk about irony, both teams come off huge wins against elite teams from the AFC and here they are facing off the week after. Bears come off an impressive road win in Indy and Panthers in San Diego. While I still believe the Bears offense is still in question they look alive in defense again. Panthers come from behind in the last minute and a half against a good defense. One's "0" has to go. Whose will it be?

Lock of the Week - Falcons @ Buccs. I think it's time for the Falcons to be brought back to Earth. I can't see Turner running wild all over this Buccs defense at Tampa Bay. Buccs know they are already 0-1 in their division and can't afford to go 0-2 for tiebreaking purposes. Even if it's by a field goal I can't see the Buccs losing this one.

Upset of the Week - Saints @ Redskins. Saints look to be the favorite after that embarrassment in New York from Washington. The Saints have to be careful, they get a big win in their division and go up against a lackluster team from last week. I'm sure the Skins are trying to tweak those mistakes and the Saints need to be careful not to fall into a trap. Washington will play harder since they're at home.

Game of the Week - Obvious, Eagles @ Cowboys. Both teams looked impressive last week and it's a classic rivalry. McNabb is healthy and has his share of explosive receivers while Romo has the same. I think Cowboys edge the win because they're at home and Eagles split the series in Phili. For now, I think the Boys got this one, but it's an exciting game.

[Wu-tang]

Funny stat, Romo's 0-2 against the Eagles in Dallas. Something like 1 TD and 5 picks.

[MP.]

The Vikings should have the 2 best lines in the entire league. That's how it looks on paper, anyways. However, they have one of the worst secondaries in the league. Don't start throwing names at me, I know who they are, and I haven't been impressed with them for awhile.

The Packers won because Tavaris can't throw.

On paper? They have three pro-bowlers. But they were outplayed on Monday because the Packers Oline showed up to play. Probably a big part of all the penalties is that they just wanted to get at each other.

The Packers won because they are a good team.

[atreyu_2020]

Joey Porter is a pro bowler too.

[McShady]

On paper? They have three pro-bowlers. But they were outplayed on Monday because the Packers Oline showed up to play. Probably a big part of all the penalties is that they just wanted to get at each other.

The Packers won because they are a good team.

It helped that the Vikings showed up without a QB.

[MP.]

Joey Porter is a pro bowler too.

Was...

It helped that the Vikings showed up without a QB.

Yep. And it also helped that the Vikings are a failure as a franchise and losing is expected. 5 straight losses to the Packers, ouch.

[Liberator13]

Yep. And it also helped that the Vikings are a failure as a franchise and losing is expected. 5 straight losses to the Packers, ouch.

So that means the Packers are a failure as a franchise as well? They've lost at least 5 of the last 6 games to my Bears, and that loss was the last game of the '06 when the Bears were resting everybody.

[wils0646]

So that means the Packers are a failure as a franchise as well? They've lost at least 5 of the last 6 games to my Bears, and that loss was the last game of the '06 when the Bears were resting everybody.

No. We were 13-3 last year. The ending record matters more than divisional records. Bears have played the Pack awesome for the last 3 years. They had Brett's number.

The Vikings are failures because they always make a huge splash in FA and really seem to do nothing in the regular season. Hence the "paper champions" nickname a lot of people give them.

[atreyu_2020]

Was...



Yep. And it also helped that the Vikings are a failure as a franchise and losing is expected. 5 straight losses to the Packers, ouch.

No...he is, he went to multiple pro bowls, therefore he is a pro bowler. Just because he wasn't there last year doesn't make him "a former pro bowler."

My point is, being a pro bowler means nothing and is a terrible argument.

[Liberator13]

No. We were 13-3 last year. The ending record matters more than divisional records. Bears have played the Pack awesome for the last 3 years. They had Brett's number.

The Vikings are failures because they always make a huge splash in FA and really seem to do nothing in the regular season. Hence the "paper champions" nickname a lot of people give them.

I'll concede that first point.

However, I believe the Vikes and the Cowboys are the class of the NFC this year. There is no reason the cowgirls shouldn't win the Super Bowl. If Green Bay continues to win, I'll throw them up there.

[atreyu_2020]

There is no reason the cowgirls shouldn't win the Super Bowl.

Yes there is, it's called Dallas in the playoffs.

[Liberator13]

Yes there is, it's called Dallas in the playoffs.

I meant against the rest of the league, not against themselves.

Good call though :lol:

[atreyu_2020]

I meant against the rest of the league, not against themselves.

Good call though :lol:

Possibily, we'll see as the season comes along but of course at this point you're right. Lot of interesting games coming up, Dallas/Phili being one of them.

[AsHopeDies]

Joey Porter is a pro bowler too.

How can he be in the PBA and NFL at the same time?

[Liberator13]

Possibily, we'll see as the season comes along but of course at this point you're right. Lot of interesting games coming up, Dallas/Phili being one of them.

Absolutely, but with all the goddamn firepower Dallas has, I just don't see who else in the NFC can make it all the way. Minn would be my second choice, but they have Tavarus.

Not that that prevented my Bears in '06 or anything.

[dj TASO]

LOL @ Bears at 6 and Packers at 10. I think you have those flipped around. Packers are a top 5 team.

Bears beat the Colts when Manning missed all preseason and the Colts were still in that game...and they jump from the third best team in the NFC North to the 6th best team in the NFL? What a fucking joke...Ill take power rankings from anyone who isnt you.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/powerranking?season=2008&week=2
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10968862

Those are both better IMO even though the sportline link has the Aints at 3, which is laughable.

Manning at 75% completely destroys Orton or any other of our qb's at 100%. Dungy even admitted it that the Bears outplayed them and didn't give any excuses.

[moose]

So I know this is the NFL thread, but I need some fantasy football advice.

Who should I start?

Delhomme vs. the Bears - I don't like how the bears held Manning in check and there's no Steve Smith.

T. Jackson vs. the Colts - The Vikes probably will fall behind and have to pass and TJ is good for atleast a passing touchdown and possibly a rushing TD and the Colts made Orton look like a stud.

and

Matt Forte vs. Carolina --- Carolina held LT to 97 yards.
Chris Johnson vs. Bengals --- He had 137 total yards and a TD against a Jags D who's suppose to be one of the better units....and he's playing the Bengals

[atreyu_2020]

Start Delhomme over Jackson, I don't care who they're playing, the odds that Delhomme gets more points then Jackson are always a good bet. Indys run defense looking shady they'll look to run AP, while the Panthers will mix it up against the Bears.

Definitely go with Johnson over Forte. Although Chris Johnson has an injury but I think he should play. Bengals defense is awful and Chris Johnson should have a nice game. Carolina looks tough against the run so look for Forte not to do much.

[Roushpimpn]

So I know this is the NFL thread, but I need some fantasy football advice.

Who should I start?

Delhomme vs. the Bears - I don't like how the bears held Manning in check and there's no Steve Smith.

T. Jackson vs. the Colts - The Vikes probably will fall behind and have to pass and TJ is good for atleast a passing touchdown and possibly a rushing TD and the Colts made Orton look like a stud.

and

Matt Forte vs. Carolina --- Carolina held LT to 97 yards.
Chris Johnson vs. Bengals --- He had 137 total yards and a TD against a Jags D who's suppose to be one of the better units....and he's playing the Bengals

You have to take in consideration that the Colts were missing 3 starters on the offensive line when they played the bears. It would inhibit any offense.

[KakUMei]

The NFL is all about continuity and timing. That is one thing the Colts offense definitely did not have in week one.

[moose]

Start Delhomme over Jackson, I don't care who they're playing, the odds that Delhomme gets more points then Jackson are always a good bet. Indys run defense looking shady they'll look to run AP, while the Panthers will mix it up against the Bears.

Definitely go with Johnson over Forte. Although Chris Johnson has an injury but I think he should play. Bengals defense is awful and Chris Johnson should have a nice game. Carolina looks tough against the run so look for Forte not to do much.


Yeah I think Johnson is going to be a stud in the NFL and they're playing the Bungles so I'm gunna leave him in and play Forte when the matchups arise. I also have Adrian Peterson on my team so I think that combination with T.Jack might push him in front of Delhomme. I just don't know about delhomme though. Jackson had more FF points last week then Delhomme did, I think I'm gunna make a final decision right before gametime. But more advice can't hurt!

[Liberator13]

I don't think I would ever, ever play Tavaris, to be honest.

[Nick is cool]

The only NFC teams that are big threats to dallas IMO are in the nfc east. Theres no doubt in my mind unless tavarus gets better dallas will shut the vikes down on offense, their front 7 is great at run stopping and they can put more in to stop adrian. Packers and bears are good, saints and panthers have potential, but dallas usually does good against the nfc north. As long as we can win our first damn playoff game for once we should go far.

[moose]

I don't think I would ever, ever play Tavaris, to be honest.

I think I'm going to end up playing him for his rushing ability and the fact that they will be playing from behind. He scored 17 points last week and I think the Packers D is better than the Colts

[Banzai]

Delhomme managed a great game against a talented Chargers secondary. He did this without Steve Smith too. Unfortunately, he's about one of the most inconsistent QB's out there, so you aren't going to get many points from either of them.

Even though Forte is facing a good Carolina D, Stewart will be splitting carries with Williams. You'll have a better shot with Forte.

I assume it's too late for you to make changes anyway...

[atreyu_2020]

I forgot how much I don't like Philip Rivers, I hope Denver destroys him.

The Raiders should just stop playing. Now their fucking coaches are disoriented and it's one week.

[Banzai]

I forgot how much I don't like Philip Rivers, I hope Denver destroys him.

The Raiders should just stop playing. Now their fucking coaches are disoriented and it's one week.

They were the same way last year. But this time Kiffin doesn't have the flu or whatever the fuck happened to him last season.

[navid]

go chiefs.w e are like the best ahahha, not relal, but hey we inujured brady

[mr.wow]

I forgot how much I don't like Philip Rivers, I hope Denver destroys him.

The Raiders should just stop playing. Now their fucking coaches are disoriented and it's one week.

The Broncos will defeat the Chargers.

Broncos: 51
Chargers: 0

[atreyu_2020]

Cutler needs to send his back wood ass family on Rivers and go Dilverance style.

[Frood]

Go carolina. Makin a comeback. DO eet!

[Banzai]

If they make another come back like that, I will shit myself. Especially since the Bear's D is better than San Diego and shouldn't collapse like that. But good for Delhomme.

[Frood]

I love nfl football because I don't really care who wins, so it's very fun to watch, but when carolina plays i root for them. If they win this game everyone's gonna shit bricks.

[atreyu_2020]

Rumor has it Kansas City will hold online auditions on the EBW sports forum in search for a quarterback. I think that's how they got Tyler Thigpen.

[Frood]

Rumor has it Kansas City will hold online auditions on the EBW sports forum in search for a quarterback. I think that's how they got Tyler Thigpen.

Auditions? Like we sing and dance and show our talent?

the word is tryout

[Banzai]

Rumor has it Kansas City will hold online auditions on the EBW sports forum in search for a quarterback. I think that's how they got Tyler Thigpen.

Huard almost has as many rushing yards as Larry Johnson...

[atreyu_2020]

Auditions? Like we sing and dance and show our talent?

the word is tryout

No, we record ourselves playing backyard football.

Tryouts? Naw, if we're trying to be a KC quarterback it's an audition, they're not looking for actual football players. Tyler Thigpen confirms this. If we act like we know how to throw a pigskin, you'll get a contract.

[Frood]

Ugh. Good offensive sequence carolina. nothing like 2 sacks for a loss of like 20 yards. woooo

[atreyu_2020]

What the fuck Cinci? This is when you're supposed to pad those wide receiver stats when the game is out of reach. I need Douchemanzada to rack those yards, Carson.

[Frood]

could use a stop here panthers
gogogogo

Edit : Fuck yeah, overthrown!

[atreyu_2020]

Detroit making a comeback against the Pack, ah oh.

[Frood]

Touchdown carolina!

[Mr Chainsaw]

Hahahahaha, the lions came back.... hahahahaha.

Why is football so funny this season?

[Banzai]

Calvin Johnson is single-handedly carrying my fantasy team. Now if the Vikings would fucking run Adrian Peterson some more...

[Frood]

Calvin Johnson is single-handedly carrying my fantasy team. Now if the Vikings would fucking run Adrian Peterson some more...

Who's got the best fantasy football league?

[SteamEngenuis]

Who's got the best fantasy football league?

I've got a pretty good one. Won last week with 113 fps. I too have A. Peterson.

[Frood]

I've got a pretty good one. Won last week with 113 fps. I too have A. Peterson.

leage not team

[atreyu_2020]

Throw a touchdown Manning, you prick.

[Frood]

need a stop ftw carolina less gooo


CAROLINA WINS! BANZAI YOU OWE ME SHIT PANTS!

[atreyu_2020]

Bills are pissed.

Vikings about to go 0-2, so much for the NFCs sleeper that were the Vikings.

[Banzai]

leage not team

I'm in a league through my Dad's office, they use a template and engine to set up rosters and record points. I'll find out who the host is.

need a stop ftw carolina less gooo


CAROLINA WINS! BANZAI YOU OWE ME SHIT PANTS!

Too late, I already shit myself. And again when Indy won.

[atreyu_2020]

Bills are very, very pissed.

Upset of the Week came true, Redskins are about to close out the Saints.

[FlyinG ShoosteR]

Bills are very, very pissed.

Upset of the Week came true, Redskins are about to close out the Saints.

fuck you. im not pleased.

[McShady]

MINNESOTA VIKINGS
MIN @ GB - L
IND @ MIN - L
CAR @ MIN - W
MIN @ TEN - W
MIN @ NO - W
DET @ MIN - W
MIN @ CHI - W
HOU @ MIN - W
GB @ MIN -W
MIN @ TB - W
MIN @ JAC - W
CHI @ MIN - W
MIN @ DET - W
MIN @ ARI - W
ATL @ MIN - W
NYG @ MIN - W

Rough start but then we get rollin. 14-2. It might be a bit biased but I really think it's our time to shine. We got on a nice winning streak last season towards the end Childress started playing AP as a starter and then he got hurt. We'll see I guess.

2/2 Baby! Unfortunately the Vikings suck once again this year. Childress is gonna be fired within the year. Seriously, the offense is too predictable and he doesn't trust his team enough to throw it.

[Banzai]

2/2 Baby! Unfortunately the Vikings suck once again this year. Childress is gonna be fired within the year. Seriously, the offense is too predictable and he doesn't trust his team enough to throw it.

I think you guys need to find another QB. Jackson doesn't have the talent that Childress' offense requires. He should have just ran AP all day, they couldn't do shit to stop him.

[atreyu_2020]

I started Rosario over Scheffler...NNNOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mr.wow]

Hah so how about the defense of the Chargers?

:banghead:

[Banzai]

Dear Matt Ryan,

Welcome to a good defense. Enjoy the bench queer.

[Wu-tang]

Throw a touchdown Manning, you prick.

He had three today...

Oh shit, wrong one.

Two good games that I'd like to point out are the Rams vs. Giants and Saints vs. Redskins. The Rams game reminded everyone that the Giants are still the SB Champs, and the Redskins game made me feel better about last weeks win when the Giants dominated them.

[Banzai]

He had three today...

Oh shit, wrong one.

Two good games that I'd like to point out are the Rams vs. Giants and Saints vs. Redskins. The Rams game reminded everyone that the Giants are still the SB Champs, and the Redskins game made me feel better about last weeks win when the Giants dominated them.

But they played St. Louis... they made Philly look good...

After Oakland actually won a game, pretty dominantly too, one can only assume that Denver is just that good. Except now San Diego is coming back. WTF

[Frood]

He had three today...

Oh shit, wrong one.

Two good games that I'd like to point out are the Rams vs. Giants and Saints vs. Redskins. The Rams game reminded everyone that the Giants are still the SB Champs, and the Redskins game made me feel better about last weeks win when the Giants dominated them.

Chargers Broncos pretty good so far.
edit: So was panthers bears, a good close game

[McShady]

I think you guys need to find another QB. Jackson doesn't have the talent that Childress' offense requires. He should have just ran AP all day, they couldn't do shit to stop him.

Most of Minnesota wants to get rid of Childress and TJack. They are holding this team back with their over-conservative play calling and shitty passing.

[Roushpimpn]

WOOT WOOT Carolina rallied back 2nd half. The penalties really kicked their ass. Had to be the most penalties ive ever seen in a game. They've got to stop that shit. Awesome start to the season. We really needed Travel Wharton against the Bears but they pulled it off. Best part about it is that we're 2-0, everyone will be healthy, and we get Steve Smith and our kick returner Ryne Robinson back against the vikings

[2000 civic si]

Whats goin on with minnesota, Many predicted them to compete in the NFC North. I know its early, but they lost to a rival in Green Bay who know has a two game lead on that division with the head to head win last week. Pittsburgh better win tonight. I hope the Eagles win tomorrow so that way pitt and philly play each other 2-0. It's on next weekend Atreyu_2020, LOL.

[wils0646]

How about those Packers? They played way too conservatively late, but still came out with a win.

Detroit really knows how to blow a game.

[McShady]

How about those Packers? They played way too conservatively late, but still came out with a win.

Detroit really knows how to blow a game.

Detroit and Minnesota both.

[Liberator13]

WOOT WOOT Carolina rallied back 2nd half. The penalties really kicked their ass. Had to be the most penalties ive ever seen in a game. They've got to stop that shit. Awesome start to the season. We really needed Travel Wharton against the Bears but they pulled it off. Best part about it is that we're 2-0, everyone will be healthy, and we get Steve Smith and our kick returner Ryne Robinson back against the vikings

I'm so fucking pissed. If Kyle could.. you know.. not overthrow a receiver 15 yards downfield, that'd be nice. It would also be great if Greg Olsen would not fumble. Thanks Greg. Appreciate it. Also, O-Coordinator, get the FUCK out. Just do it.

[SportsFan81]

Missed all the games, but checked em out on ESPN. LOL @ Jaguars. Bills the real deal? I havent seen em in action yet. SD took the lead and the Colts won. Soo im kinda happy.

Thoughts on the MNF game DAL/PHI?

[atreyu_2020]

Whats goin on with minnesota, Many predicted them to compete in the NFC North. I know its early, but they lost to a rival in Green Bay who know has a two game lead on that division with the head to head win last week. Pittsburgh better win tonight. I hope the Eagles win tomorrow so that way pitt and philly play each other 2-0. It's on next weekend Atreyu_2020, LOL.

I'll be rooting for the Eagles to go 2-0 as well so next week looks better on paper. Would make for a great Pennsylvania showdown. Steelers better not look past the Browns though, fuckers.

Oh yes, tis on, sadly, I predicted Phili to win that game, hah. But from the bottom of my heart, I hope we fuck them up. Goddamn people and your East Coast talk.

[SportsFan81]

lol I like PHI myself, not only because im from there, but I like their Defense.

I totally forgot to pick my Survival / picks of the week for Ebaums, so im pretty much done. lol. Vacation took me away all weekend

[Frood]

what the fuck just happened in denver????

[2000 civic si]

Thoughts on the MNF game DAL/PHI?

Dallas is much more talented on offense than the Eagles are, But the Eagles Defense is not one to overlook. With the addition of Asante Samuel, we can now leave our cornerbacks on an island more than we used to, IMO. I mean i know Dawkins is gonna have to shadow T.O. a litte to help out on the deep routes but Asante is a proven corner. Dallas is a 7pt favorite to win, I think thats too much, If there's anyone in the NFC that can match up well against Dallas's offense, IT's phillys defense. Our back up recievers aren't too shabby either. Damn, It's been along time since i posted on here.

[cobra_man]

San Diego just got raped by that fumble call.

[Frood]

Why is denver going for 2?????



Wow: They got it.


Edit: Bad reffing ruined this game.

[Roushpimpn]

I'm so fucking pissed. If Kyle could.. you know.. not overthrow a receiver 15 yards downfield, that'd be nice. It would also be great if Greg Olsen would not fumble. Thanks Greg. Appreciate it. Also, O-Coordinator, get the FUCK out. Just do it.

Bears played a great 1st half. Yea Orton had a few overthrows that i remember. Chris Harris is a total beast. He totally changed the momentum with that fumble. Carolina has got to stop the penalties though, it was so ridiculous.

[McShady]

Very close game in Denver.

[atreyu_2020]

I'm not rooting for them cause I like them, I hate Philadelphia and everything in it, hah.

I'm rooting for them cause it's kind of thematic for Pitt/Phi to go into Week 3 with perfect records.

[ehogepr]

Wow there is no way Denver should be walking away with a win, the last 5 minutes of this game have been crazy.. that call was was such BS though..

[Frood]

Wow there is no way Denver should be walking away with a win, the last 5 minutes of this game have been crazy.. that call was was such BS though..


It's a nailbiter though. Fun to watch.

[YankeesSuck]

The Brady injured party is over in New York.

[mr.wow]

Fuck the refs. Seriously. TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES IN THE FIRST QUARTER?


Dude I am pissed. For us to come back like that in the second half and get cheated by refs..

Oh my God.

[SportsFan81]

Mat Cassel, Ohright.

Totally forgot the Steelers were on tonight. 27 - 17 PIT.

[Banzai]

I like that Matt Cassel, still hate the Pats though. And Belichick is still a cunt.

Lets go Stillers!

[sweet]

Man, that skins game gave me some gray hairs.

[Wu-tang]

But they played St. Louis... they made Philly look good...

After Oakland actually won a game, pretty dominantly too, one can only assume that Denver is just that good. Except now San Diego is coming back. WTF

Philly is good.

[SportsFan81]

10 - 6. I was close. kidding, but seriously, I figured PIT shoulda put up more points.

[atreyu_2020]

Weather conditions were a bitch, that wind was nasty.

Yeah, Shaun Rogers should choke on a fucking bone when he gets home. He was a dirty goddamn player in Detroit and he's still a dirty player. Talk about that cheap shot he put on Ben and not a fucking penalty was called for it. Shit Clevelands first 3 points came from a drive that was helped by lame fuck penalties like TAUNTING, "roughing the passer", and McFadden getting called for illegal contact when it was Winslow that spun McFadden around.

I'm just thankful that game didn't get any worse with that bullshit, and once again, fuck Shaun Rogers. Anyway, this puts Cleveland fans high hopes in jeopardy. The trendy pick is dying off as we speak. Don't worry Cleveland, we'll hand you a real ass whipping when you come to Pittsburgh in the last game of the season, that's if it means something.

[KakUMei]

I think Romeo Crennel is fucking terrible. Does he understand clock management at all?

If we don't win the next two, we are done.

[Banzai]

10 - 6. I was close. kidding, but seriously, I figured PIT shoulda put up more points.

Meh it was shitty weather. Hell we only beat Miami 3-0 last year because of that torrential downpour.

[Wu-tang]

FF Tip for next week - Sit anyone on the Bengals, start anyone on the Giants. The Bengals are about to get stomped.

[Rootraz]

Sweet, Titans are 2-0 for the first time since 1999.

[KakUMei]

^ WuTang watch out for the dreaded "Trap" game.

[atreyu_2020]

I don't even think Bengals can hope for a trap. They are really, really bad. That offense gave up in the first quarter, it was pathetic.

[Banzai]

Plus the Giants look way too good to fall in that game. Maybe they'll give up a long pass or two, but they'll wake up and shut it down.

[KakUMei]

I don't even think Bengals can hope for a trap. They are really, really bad. That offense gave up in the first quarter, it was pathetic.

Didn't get to watch it, but I am sure you are spot on. Could we see another 3-13 year from the Bengals? I sure hope so :lol:

[atreyu_2020]

Yeah, it was brutal. Put it this way, their offense didn't even seem interested in padding stats when the game was out of reach, THEIR offense. That's how disoriented they are.

[Mysterio]

Sweet, Titans are 2-0 for the first time since 1999.

Yea GO TITANS!!

Some good games to watch this week, mainly Chargers/Broncos and 49s/Seahawks. I hope the monday nighter will be a good one as well!

[MusicIsDead]

Run Dmc!!!!

[atreyu_2020]

Alright Phili, beat down Dallas so we can have a PA showdown, bitches.

[Liberator13]

I'm still fucking pissed the Bears lost. SFGFGHRWGDFHDFGFDHFD FUCKERS

[SCMC]

I'm glad I found this forum, something on here that will actually interest me.
I won't go into great detail of my season predictions like specific records for everyone, just who i think will make the playoffs and their records, and yes it is a little different than my preseason predictions after 2 weeks of football, here we go.
AFC Playoff Teams
1. Steelers 12-4
2. Patriots 11-5
3. Jaguars 10-6
4. Broncos 10-6
5. Colts 10-6
6. Titans 10-6
I know the jaguars are in an 0-2 rut right now but i picked them to go to the SB from the AFC and i'm not one to turn on my SB pick midseason, i just hope i'm right. The titans were a hard choice though because it was between them the bills the chargers and every other team you could throw in there, but they always find a way to make it and they do have a stellar defense.

NFC Playoff Teams
1. Cowboys 12-4
2. Packers 11-5
3. Panthers 11-5
4. Arizona 10-6
5. Giants 10-6
6. Eagles 10-6
I did originally have the Cowboys representing the NFC in the SB so no change there, i thought the vikes might beat the pack this year but Aaron Rodgers is no stiff like I thought and I think Arizona is seizing their oppurtunity of a crappy division and I think they actually have a nice defense, of course the nfc east finishes out the playoffs in no particular fashion.

AFC Wild Card
Titans @ Jaguars Jags 17-10
Colts @ Broncos Broncos 31-21

NFC Wild Card
Eagles @ Panthers Panthers 24-20
Giants @ Cardinals Giants 28-17

AFC Divisional Round
Broncos @ Steelers Steelers 21-14
Jaguars @ Patriots Jags 16-13

NFC Divisional Round
Giants @ Cowboys Cowboys 24-14
Panthers @ Packers Panthers 31-20

AFC Conference Championship
Jaguars @ Steelers Jags 14-10

NFC Conference Championship
Panthers @ Cowboys Cowboys 35-28


SUPER BOWL!!!
Jags vs. Cowboys Cowboys 27-24

I think this is Dallas's year as well as the Jags to show they can contend, but If I'm wrong I'd say the giants could make another run for the nfc and I'd say the broncos look really good so far this year, watch for them to run the table.

Just thinking of these awards off the top of my head
Awards:
MVP-Eli Manning

Offensive MVP
NFC- E. Manning
AFC- Jay Cutler

Defensive MVP
NFC- Demarcus Ware
AFC- Ray Lewis

Rookie of the Year
NFC- Jonathan Stewart
AFC- Darren McFadden

Offensive Rookie of the Year
NFC- Jonathan Stewart
AFC- Darren McFadden

Defensive Rookie of the Year
NFC- Sedrick Ellis
AFC- Derrick Harvey

Most Improved- Aaron Rodgers
Comeback Player- Jake Delhomme
Coach of the Year- Dick Jauron

Alright, that's all I got, and althought not a lot but a little did change after seeing the first 2 weeks of the season, I just didn't notice thus forum till late.

[Rootraz]

Run Dmc!!!!

YouTube - RUN-DMC - King Of Rock

[atreyu_2020]

I'm glad I found this forum, something on here that will actually interest me.
I won't go into great detail of my season predictions like specific records for everyone, just who i think will make the playoffs and their records, and yes it is a little different than my preseason predictions after 2 weeks of football, here we go.
AFC Playoff Teams
1. Steelers 12-4
2. Patriots 11-5
3. Jaguars 10-6
4. Broncos 10-6
5. Colts 10-6
6. Titans 10-6
I know the jaguars are in an 0-2 rut right now but i picked them to go to the SB from the AFC and i'm not one to turn on my SB pick midseason, i just hope i'm right. The titans were a hard choice though because it was between them the bills the chargers and every other team you could throw in there, but they always find a way to make it and they do have a stellar defense.

NFC Playoff Teams
1. Cowboys 12-4
2. Packers 11-5
3. Panthers 11-5
4. Arizona 10-6
5. Giants 10-6
6. Eagles 10-6
I did originally have the Cowboys representing the NFC in the SB so no change there, i thought the vikes might beat the pack this year but Aaron Rodgers is no stiff like I thought and I think Arizona is seizing their oppurtunity of a crappy division and I think they actually have a nice defense, of course the nfc east finishes out the playoffs in no particular fashion.

We're not even in one quarter in the season, let alone midseason.

Wow, all of your predictions except for 2 teams have an undefeated record after 2 weeks and are either leading or tied in their division after 2 games, how insightful.

[SCMC]

oh and i said the first 2 weeks made me change some but believe it or not most of those were my original picks, so don't be an asshole about it, just believe me or not and shut the fuck up.

[Roxtar]

Here we go birds!!!

[Roushpimpn]

Panthers vs. Vikings is a must win game for CAR. They are on top of the NFC south and can start to pull away. A win in Minnesota can give them momentum into mid season as they have Atlanta and Kansas city afterwards.

[SportsFan81]

Kick-off underway, DAL deffered.


btw Nice kick outta bounds jackass

[Roxtar]

3-0 birds! TONY ROMO IS A BROKE DICK FAGOT!

Edit: Holy hell that broke dick fagot just threw and absolute BOMB to TO, 72 yard TD...fuck.

[atreyu_2020]

Fuck the passing game, feed that shit to Barber.

[Roxtar]

3 more for the chunky soup squad, 7-6 crazy pill popping dumb blond bangers. Looks like this is going to be a good one.

[SportsFan81]

Fuck DAL's big play bullshit

[Roxtar]

Phili is moving the ball pretty good right now...

[SportsFan81]

Philly TD inc

[Roushpimpn]

Wow two face mask non calls for the cowboys.

[atreyu_2020]

Haha, Tony Romo.

[SportsFan81]

Thanks Tony. +7

[Meph1986]

ROMOOOOOOOOOOO

:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

[sweet]

Hahaha, Tony=butterfingers.

[Banzai]

Good job rookie. Score a touchdown then showboat

[sweet]

wow, how stupid do you have to be to do that. At least take two steps in the end zone first.

[SportsFan81]

Good job rookie. Score a touchdown then showboat

made me lol. but seriously, how dumb is that?

[atreyu_2020]

Where is the defense for both teams?

[Nick is cool]

Patrick crayton cant do shit in big games. We may have needed to pick up a 2nd reciever to put us over the top.. But as of now i would pretty easily say the eagles would be our hardest opponent in the nfl



if we dont get a pass rush this game is over

[SportsFan81]

nice field goal. still close though

[Banzai]

Very intense. What MNF should be every week.

[Liberator13]

I fucking hate Dallas so much.

[SportsFan81]

Things aren't looking good.

Edit: fuck. good game tho. Up against NFC elite and we almost had it. Kickoff return killed us

[Roxtar]

At least they covered the spread! :boink:

[SCMC]

At least they covered the spread! :boink:
lol, thats one positive way of looking at it.

[Wu-tang]

I'll say it, I'm completely confident that the New York Giants are taking this division. Both QBs choked in the clutch, and there's not a damn team in the NFL that can drop a 40 burger on our defense.

[SCMC]

I'll say it, I'm completely confident that the New York Giants are taking this division. Both QBs choked in the clutch, and there's not a damn team in the NFL that can drop a 40 burger on our defense.
why do they call it a 40 burger, not just 40 points, but your right I don't think my cowboys could drop 40 on the G-men but I do think they could get 31 or so and hold the giants to 20 something.

[sprak_]

Nice to see Romo come back from that fumble and one terrible Favre-esque interception.

I'm not too worried about the Cowboys defense. Division rivals are always tough games. A lot of points were scored but the Eagles could have easily been held under 30. Two bad mistakes by Romo led to points for the Eagles, as well as that bogus pass interference.

41 points against the Eagles defense = very impressive.

Felix Jones = beast. I knew that was a good pick over Mendenhall.

[SCMC]

Nice to see Romo come back from that fumble and one terrible Favre-esque interception.

I'm not too worried about the Cowboys defense. Division rivals are always tough games. A lot of points were scored but the Eagles could have easily been held under 30. Two bad mistakes by Romo led to points for the Eagles, as well as that bogus pass interference.

41 points against the Eagles defense = very impressive.

Felix Jones = beast. I knew that was a good pick over Mendenhall.
Yeah, I'm glad our offense and special teams could make up for our turnovers and put us over the hump, but if we wanna be a serious contender late in the season and in the playoffs we have to eliminate those mistakes. You cannot do that shit in January and hope to fight another day.

[atreyu_2020]

Power Rankings after Week 2.

1. New York Giants - Champs win again. Beat them, they drop, hasen't happened yet.

2. New England Patriots - Patriots win again, when they're not supposed to. Did people really think this team would die down, especially against the fucking Jets?

3. Dallas Cowboys - The winner of Phili/Dallas was going to get this spot. Dallas wins, their offense looked impressive, special teams looked impressive, defense didn't show up, but it was an exciting game.

4. Pittsburgh Steelers - Roethlisberger tooled the Brownies with a banged up shoulder, compliments of Mario Williams. Those wind conditions were nasty, but the Steelers proved they're the class of the AFC N and their special teams looks improved from last year, which trust me, is a good thing considering how awful they were.

5. Carolina Panthers - How impressive have they looked? Two come from behind victories and they never let up. People were ready to give up on them after disappointing season after disappointing season, including myself. Here's the potential they have shown. It'll be interesting how they do against division teams.

6. Buffalo Bills - Pissed much? Trent Edwards is playing out of his mind right now, I think he's pissed, so are the Bills defense. David Gerrard had like 2 interceptions last year. Bills intercepted him about 42 times.

7. Tennessee Titans - They have a damn good defense, they made the Bengals quit in the first quarter. Playing in those awful weather conditions didn't help them much but they still looked dominating. While I'm not ready to consider Collins a worthy comeback of the year canditate, he didn't turn the ball over and if he doesn't do that, this team may be alright.

8. Denver Broncos - Controversial much? Yeah, perhaps they should have lost, but they didn't. They still had to score the touchdown, and you have to admire their decision to go for 2. They knew that they got real lucky and decided to put the game on the line with that 2 point conversion. They gave the Chargers an equal chance to win, and the Broncos prevailed. Jay Cutler is for real.

9. Green Bay Packers - It was getting a little scary there against Detroit, but they eventually ran away with it. Have yourself a day Aaron Rodgers, you make me happy when you look successful while Favre eventually gets ridiculed in the NY paper. It's a great thing.

10. Philadelphia Eagles - McNabb looks to be sharp this year since he's healthy and they have a good, youthful receiving core. Apparently it wasn't the first time DeSean Jackson pulled a stunt like that. It's a good goddamn thing the Cowboys and referees didn't realize it and jump on that ball so the Eagles wouldn't even have had it on the 1. Look for this team to rebound after this loss, unfortunately it'll be against my Steelers.

11. Chicago Bears
12. Indianapolis Colts
13. Arizona Cardinals
14. New Orleans Saints
15. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
16. San Diego Chargers
17. Jacksonville Jaguars
18. Washington Redskins
19. New York Jets
20. Minnesota Vikings

21. San Francisco 49ers
22. Atlanta Falcons
23. Baltimore Ravens
24. Houston Texans
25. Cleveland Browns
26. Oakland Raiders
27. Seattle Seahawks
28. Detroit Lions
29. Cincinnati Bengals
30. Kansas City Chiefs
31. Miami Dolphins
32. St. Louis Rams

[Nick is cool]

I'll say it, I'm completely confident that the New York Giants are taking this division. Both QBs choked in the clutch, and there's not a damn team in the NFL that can drop a 40 burger on our defense.



New york didnt even come that close to taking the divsion last year when they were full strength and hungry. Playoffs are one thing, but i doubt the gmen will hang with dallas or the eagles in the regular season.


And i seem to remember dallas putting up 45 and 31 on the giants last year, when osi and strahan were there. They can easily do it again.


But ill say one thing, the nfc east is taking over the nfl.

[atreyu_2020]

The idea that 3 of the NFL's best teams are in the NFC East is bullshit.

The Cowboys, perhaps, The Giants, perhaps, but the Eagles havent proved anything to call them one of the 3 best teams in the NFL.

[Nick is cool]

I didnt say they were. The eagles are definatley a top 5 team based on how theyve played so far though, 2 games or not. And i hate the eagles.


3 of the nfls top 5 in the east.

[2000 civic si]

Damn, I just looked at the power rankings and they got the eagles at the number 10 spot. I knew they would drop, but damn to the 10 spot. It's only week 2, Last night was an awsome game. game could have went either way, But dallas played better at the end. Pittsburgh is next, And I think the Eagles will slip by them with a W. Reggie brown stay hurt. But Kevin Curtis we need.

[SCMC]

I didnt say they were. The eagles are definatley a top 5 team based on how theyve played so far though, 2 games or not. And i hate the eagles.


3 of the nfls top 5 in the east.
Agree, I'd say the giants are first since they haven't been beaten yet, and cowboys next, while the iggles are probably fifth, The nfc east is and has been for a while the best division in the league.

[SportsFan81]

I didnt say they were. The eagles are definatley a top 5 team based on how theyve played so far though, 2 games or not. And i hate the eagles.


3 of the nfls top 5 in the east.

Truth. Titans at 7? Thats hard for me to believe, they beat a BAD Bengals team and an underachieving Jaguars team