Who's Winning The Superbowl?

[x1_nick_1x]

I have to say that it's the Steelers. I watched their game versus a Houstan Texans team that was supposed to keep it close, only losing by 3 points. Pittsburgh lead 38-3 before taking the starters out, winning the game by the score of 38-17.

Big Ben Roethlisberger was 13-14 with accuracy that was almost disgusting and a passer rating of 149. He accounted for two touchdowns, each thrown to Hines Ward. Fast Willie Parker accounted for three, countem, three rushing touchdowns and 149 yards rushing.

With a defense including a finally healthy Troy Polamalu and Lamarr Woodley, they allowed only 3 points. (which like I said, was before the starters left the game)

It's too early to tell, obviously. Dallas is up there, you can't count out Indianapolis, and of course New England is only missing their quarterback, but their backup seems to have things under control. They'll be in the mix, too. But in the end, the Steelers will become the most winningest superbowl team, racking up number 6.

Who is overrated? Again, I'm sick of seeing the Saints in the mix. They suck and they're overrated again, ESPN has their head up their ass and put the Saints as the number 5 team in the NFL, IN FRONT OF INDIANAPOLIS AND NEW ENGLAND. The Giants are also overrated, and as happy as I am that they won the superbowl last year, come on. That won't happen again. They're stressing for a runningback anyway.

[atreyu_2020]

Careful, those words are sure to get you flamed.

Right now it's very hard to predict a winner. It's only Week 2 and people want to crown the Cowboys/Steelers already. Granted both teams were dominating but it was only one game. The Texans are underrated but I want to see what the Steelers can do against an elite team, same with Cowboys.

The Steelers don't need this much attention. Let's just try to keep them under the radar and hopefully they'll do well. It's hard to argue against that defense, especially the linebacking core. With Woodley they are deadly.

Seriously guys, it's one week, let's not crown anyones ass's just yet.

[x1_nick_1x]

Careful, those words are sure to get you flamed.



Aw come on man, it's the internet. And of course it's too early yet to tell. But it's never too early to speculate. I chose Pittsburgh because it seems they're always in the mix, and they've recently won the superbowl, but the last two years they've been unhealthy. Now they're at full power, and showing.

I'm worried about Dallas. They're a good team, but it's no secret that they have many, many personalities on that team, on the field and off the field. (Jessica Simpson)

Could you imagine a meeting between Dallas and Pittsburgh in the superbowl? For the 4th time?

[atreyu_2020]

Eh I'd rather have an all Pennsylvania Super Bowl.

[FuNkYFreSH]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say the cubs

[FLYINGDOG]

I'll be happy if jacksonville makes it to the playoffs again.

[sprak_]

My preseason pick was Cowboys over Steelers.

New England is out... I'll be surprised if they make the playoffs now.

...and have you heard of Brandon Jacobs? He's one of the best RBs in the league.

[jn_powell]

I would not get too high on Pittsburgh just yet, the Texans suck and the idea that they would even keep it close, to me, was ludicrous to begin with. Philadelphia played a very shitty Rams team, so I was not really surprised there. And Dallas, well Cleveland was supposed to be good, and I think they will be decent, but they were pretty beat up and had a QB who was coming off a consussion so I would not overrate their win either. I cannot wait to see what happens on Monday as that should be a great game, and December 7 is looking like there may be quite a few implications on that game for both teams.

Note: Who really surprised me was Atlanta. Not bad for that team.

[PokemonMaster]

Would be my damn pats :wah:

[ehogepr]

My preseason pick was Cowboys/ Steelers.


Yeah this was my pick as well (albeit you had the cowboys winning) in the preseason.. at first it was something I wanted personally (have been wanting since 95) but I think it can actually happen.

But it's only week 2 and there's plenty more football to go yet.

[Frostdaddy]

Aaron Rodgers: Superbowl Champion. Anyone?


Damn, I didn't think so.

[SCMC]

my pick is and has been since june cowboys over jags.

[AsHopeDies]

Panthers...


duh....

[Liberator13]

Colts.

Fuck the Cowgirls.

[SCMC]

Colts.

Fuck the Cowgirls.
you mean the 0-2 colts will make the super bowl while the "cowgirls" are 2-0, hahahahahahaha, WRONG!!!

[proton]

I give you the 2008 Super Bowl champions. Win by 13.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVL2Jv0jh1s

[Wu-tang]

you mean the 0-2 colts will make the super bowl while the "cowgirls" are 2-0, hahahahahahaha, WRONG!!!

1-1, and the Cowgirls won't get past the wildcard round.

[SCMC]

1-1, and the Cowgirls won't get past the wildcard round.
First off they should be 0-2, but your right they are 1-1 thanks for the correction, and the BOYS won't have to play wildcard round, they will probably get a bye again lol, suckas!!!

[Liberator13]

First off they should be 0-2, but your right they are 1-1 thanks for the correction, and the BOYS won't have to play wildcard round, they will probably get a bye again lol, suckas!!!

Not that it matters, since you have Romo.

[MP.]

Someone is a Steelers fan...I think they blow just as bad as they did last year when everyone thought they were a top team.

[SCMC]

Not that it matters, since you have Romo.
I don't know I think this year is now or never so as an eternal optimist I think it could be the year, but we need to stay healthy.

[Bergs]

The Giants are also overrated, and as happy as I am that they won the superbowl last year, come on. That won't happen again. They're stressing for a runningback anyway.

Stop writing about the NFL. They have three pretty solid backs and a good O-line. The three best teams in the NFL are all in the NFC East. Pittsburgh is the only other team that could make an argument for the top three right now.

By the way, when will NFL teams fully realize that your secondary is not the most important part for stopping the pass? Its your rush.

During last night's Monday Night Shootout, the Cowbays defensive backfield was manned by four first round draft picks and the Eagles was manned by one first rounder, two second rounders, and a big bucks free agent. And Romo and McNabb still had individual passing free-for-alls.

The rush contains the pass. Can't wait for the NYG-DAL week 9 showdown in the Meadowlands. If the Giants can get by Pittsburgh in week 8, it is quite possible that a 7-0 team will be playing an 8-0 team for NFL supremacy.

[Kazimierz]

Eagles. They just barely lost to the Cowboys, at Texas Stadium, missing their 2 top receivers. They'll be playing against the Steelers. It'll be epic.

[AsHopeDies]

you mean the 0-2 colts will make the super bowl while the "cowgirls" are 2-0, hahahahahahaha, WRONG!!!

Too bad, for the cowgirls, they don't play the Super Bowl in September.

[Trevi626]

the Rams definitely have a chance.

...


NOT!

no seriously, for the person who said the giants are in need of a good back, brandon jaobs has been earing it up lately, with some goo dblocking as well.
steelers definitely have a top three potential.

[Nick is cool]

Stop writing about the NFL. They have three pretty solid backs and a good O-line. The three best teams in the NFL are all in the NFC East. Pittsburgh is the only other team that could make an argument for the top three right now.

By the way, when will NFL teams fully realize that your secondary is not the most important part for stopping the pass? Its your rush.

During last night's Monday Night Shootout, the Cowbays defensive backfield was manned by four first round draft picks and the Eagles was manned by one first rounder, two second rounders, and a big bucks free agent. And Romo and McNabb still had individual passing free-for-alls.

The rush contains the pass. Can't wait for the NYG-DAL week 9 showdown in the Meadowlands. If the Giants can get by Pittsburgh in week 8, it is quite possible that a 7-0 team will be playing an 8-0 team for NFL supremacy.


Of course pass rush is the best pass defense, but its hard to have a pass rush when each lineman is a stud 330 pounder. Eagles and dallas both have a good pass rush and got to eachother occasionally, but its hard to rush lines that good.

[chr0nic]

Too bad, for the cowgirls, they don't play the Super Bowl in September.

cowgirls? that's clever...

[SCMC]

Too bad, for the cowgirls, they don't play the Super Bowl in September.
Once again bitch, say something else, the eagles aren't exactly masters late in the season either, they went to 4 straight conference championship games until they finally won then lost in the super bowl, when we lost in the playoffs 4 years in a row until getting a ring, then you can say some shit about dallas, so STFU!

[civictunerz]

Once again bitch, say something else, the eagles aren't exactly masters late in the season either, they went to 4 straight conference championship games until they finally won then lost in the super bowl, when we lost in the playoffs 4 years in a row until getting a ring, then you can say some shit about dallas, so STFU!

If your gonna talk shit, Get your words right atleast.

[SCMC]

If your gonna talk shit, Get your words right atleast.
what the fuck civic, are you my english teacher, i mess up one letter and you get all anal, you can stfu too bitch.

[antoine2589]

seahawks
10 hasselbecks

[x1_nick_1x]

Stop writing about the NFL. They have three pretty solid backs and a good O-line. The three best teams in the NFL are all in the NFC East. Pittsburgh is the only other team that could make an argument for the top three right now.




The Giants are a mediocre team if I ever saw one. Just like every year. They just barely got into the playoffs last year and that was only because they were playing in the NFC. Most NFC teams last year would not have had a winning record if they were in the AFC. Luckily for them, they peaked at just the right time and made a very impressive playoff run against the best teams. It's about damn time the NFC starts getting good. They've lost I think 8 out of the last 11 superbowls. Either way, the Giants will not repeat.

[SCMC]

The Giants are a mediocre team if I ever saw one. Just like every year. They just barely got into the playoffs last year and that was only because they were playing in the NFC. Most NFC teams last year would not have had a winning record if they were in the AFC. Luckily for them, they peaked at just the right time and made a very impressive playoff run against the best teams. It's about damn time the NFC starts getting good. They've lost I think 8 out of the last 11 superbowls. Either way, the Giants will not repeat.
The NFC east has been the toughest division in the nfl for about 5 years, but you are right about the rest of the nfc.

[Bergs]

The Giants are a mediocre team if I ever saw one. Just like every year. They just barely got into the playoffs last year and that was only because they were playing in the NFC. Most NFC teams last year would not have had a winning record if they were in the AFC. Luckily for them, they peaked at just the right time and made a very impressive playoff run against the best teams. It's about damn time the NFC starts getting good. They've lost I think 8 out of the last 11 superbowls. Either way, the Giants will not repeat.

The idea that the AFC has been so superior to the NFC the past decade is the biggest mirage in football. The AFC has won so many championships because they were extremely top heavy. Elite quarterbacks and excellent top tier teams like New England, Indianapolis, San Diego, Pittsburgh, Baltimore and Jacksonville gave the AFC strength, meanwhile the bottom tier of the AFC was by far the worst of the worst. Teams like Oakland, Houston, Miami, Buffalo, Kansas City once they got Herman Edwards, New York before they got rid of Herman Edwards, and Cleveland have been awful during the AFC's glory days. Meanwhile the NFC has been fairly good from top to bottom with a few notable exceptions like the Lions and the entire NFC West sans Seattle.
Its no coincidence that the fall of the AFC coincides with the apparent decline of many of those elite teams.

The Giants are far from a mediocre team and the NFC East has been the toughest division in football sending at least two teams to the playoffs for the past three seasons, three teams for the past two seasons, with every team making atleast one appearance during the past two years. Led by the Giants with three consecutive playoff seasons.

Not that I would expect you to know anything about football anyway as you so confidently assert that the Giants are stressing for a runningback when they have an excellent three back platoon with starter Brandon Jacobs, Derrick Ward, and last season's surprise young talent Ahmad Bradshaw.

Of course pass rush is the best pass defense, but its hard to have a pass rush when each lineman is a stud 330 pounder. Eagles and dallas both have a good pass rush and got to eachother occasionally, but its hard to rush lines that good.

Dallas and Philly both have excellent lines, no doubt, but New England had three pro-bowlers on theirs. My point was more it is a waste of early draft picks to take so many defensive backs. I was livid when the Giants took safety Kenny Phillips in the first round and cornerback Terrell Thomas in the second. One of them I could understand, Phillips I was cool with, but when Jerry Reese passed on a linebacker in the 2nd, especially with Dan Conner still on the board, I thought he had lost his mind.

[proton]

Not that I would expect you to know anything about football anyway as you so confidently assert that the Giants are stressing for a runningback when they have an excellent three back platoon with starter Brandon Jacobs, Derrick Ward, and last season's surprise young talent Ahmad Bradshaw.

Here here. I even heard one of the talking heads on the pregame show say the Giants are the best right now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O820ahrjDy0

[x1_nick_1x]

No, there's a reason why the Giants are an overshadowed team and it's because the experts see what I see. Just wait until they start playing good teams. You've played Washington and St. Louis so far. And you have 4 more easy games in Cincinatti, Cleveland, Seattle, and San Fran. And after that, you'll play Pittsburgh, who I expect to take the game by 10 points. ...

But that is a month away. I'm sure they'll find a way to screw up one of these upcoming games.

Overrated.

[davo canavo]

Guys, guys, guys, no need to argue about this. I've already predicted the next 18 Super Bowls ;). Here they are:

2009 - St. Louis Rams 42, Pittsburgh Steelers 35
2010 - Miami Dolphins 17, Washington Redskins 12
2011 - Miami Dolphins 35, New Orleans Saints 0
2012 - Miami Dolphins 78, Dallas Cowboys 0
2013 - Miami Dolphins 254, Dallas Cowboys 0
2014 - Miami Dolphins 3,340, Dallas Cowboys 0 (Just for the record, this game will be a lot closer than the score indicates)
2015 - Dallas Cowboys 21, New England Patriots 17 (first Super Bowl following UN-mandated removal of Miami Dolphins from the NFL)
2016 - Florida Jaguars 31, Arizona Cardinals 9
2017 - Arizona Cardinals 21, Detroit Nationals 12
2018 - Kansas City Chiefs 27, San Francisco Sodomites 17
2019 - (Super Bowl Cancelled)
2020 - North America Survivors 26, Southern Wastelanders 14
2021 - North America Survivors 29, EuroNordic Alliance 26 (OT)
2022 - (Super Bowl Cancelled)
2023 - (Super Bowl Cancelled)
2024 - Sector B5 Meta-Creatures 52, Human Playthings 7
2025 - Sector B5 Meta-Creatures 64, Human Playthings 0
2026 - Miami Dolphins 45, Sector B5 Meta-Creatures 14

[Wu-tang]

The Giants are also overrated, and as happy as I am that they won the superbowl last year, come on. That won't happen again. They're stressing for a runningback anyway.

Give me a single shred of evidence to back this claim. Is it the fact that Brandon Jacobs is 6th in rushing yards despite the fact that he's sharing carries with two other RBs? Because he's averaging 5.8 ypc, Wards averaging 5.7, and Ahmad Bradshaw scored 2 TDs on just 6 touches for 70 yards?
The Giants are a mediocre team if I ever saw one. Just like every year. They just barely got into the playoffs last year and that was only because they were playing in the NFC. Most NFC teams last year would not have had a winning record if they were in the AFC. Luckily for them, they peaked at just the right time and made a very impressive playoff run against the best teams. It's about damn time the NFC starts getting good. They've lost I think 8 out of the last 11 superbowls. Either way, the Giants will not repeat.

Really now? Are they mediocre because they're 0-2? Because they dropped 41 points on an NFL team? Because they dominated the Washington Redskins who in turn had a great game against an NFC favorite Saints? And how can the 5th seed barely get into the playoffs? Funny, I seem to recall all of the non-playoff teams being 2 games behind the Giants. Besides the Patriots, the Packers, Cowgirls, and Giants were all better than the AFC teams last year, so you can throw that sentence on the rest of the pile of shit that is your posts.

Once again bitch, say something else, the eagles aren't exactly masters late in the season either, they went to 4 straight conference championship games until they finally won then lost in the super bowl, when we lost in the playoffs 4 years in a row until getting a ring, then you can say some shit about dallas, so STFU!

And when was the last time you could say "My team won a playoff game!"?
No, there's a reason why the Giants are an overshadowed team and it's because the experts see what I see. Just wait until they start playing good teams. You've played Washington and St. Louis so far. And you have 4 more easy games in Cincinatti, Cleveland, Seattle, and San Fran. And after that, you'll play Pittsburgh, who I expect to take the game by 10 points. ...

But that is a month away. I'm sure they'll find a way to screw up one of these upcoming games.

Overrated.

Ya, and I bet the "experts" saw the same thing last year every week of the playoffs, so please, enlighten me, what exactly do you see? And tell me the last time a mediocre team went to the playoffs 3 years in a row, won 12 straight road games, or won the fucking SB? And btw, no, none of the experts have your shit-colored shades on because none of them are calling the Giants a mediocre team anymore.

[SCMC]

Guys, guys, guys, no need to argue about this. I've already predicted the next 18 Super Bowls ;). Here they are:

2009 - St. Louis Rams 42, Pittsburgh Steelers 35
2010 - Miami Dolphins 17, Washington Redskins 12
2011 - Miami Dolphins 35, New Orleans Saints 0
2012 - Miami Dolphins 78, Dallas Cowboys 0
2013 - Miami Dolphins 254, Dallas Cowboys 0
2014 - Miami Dolphins 3,340, Dallas Cowboys 0 (Just for the record, this game will be a lot closer than the score indicates)
2015 - Dallas Cowboys 21, New England Patriots 17 (first Super Bowl following UN-mandated removal of Miami Dolphins from the NFL)
2016 - Florida Jaguars 31, Arizona Cardinals 9
2017 - Arizona Cardinals 21, Detroit Nationals 12
2018 - Kansas City Chiefs 27, San Francisco Sodomites 17
2019 - (Super Bowl Cancelled)
2020 - North America Survivors 26, Southern Wastelanders 14
2021 - North America Survivors 29, EuroNordic Alliance 26 (OT)
2022 - (Super Bowl Cancelled)
2023 - (Super Bowl Cancelled)
2024 - Sector B5 Meta-Creatures 52, Human Playthings 7
2025 - Sector B5 Meta-Creatures 64, Human Playthings 0
2026 - Miami Dolphins 45, Sector B5 Meta-Creatures 14
I'd agree with that.

[Bergs]

No, there's a reason why the Giants are an overshadowed team and it's because the experts see what I see.

Experts like Peter King?

One final point about the incredible NFC East: This division just might have the best three teams in football right now, with the Cowboys (still number one), Giants and Eagles.

Or the staff of ESPN.com?
Power Rankings (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/powerranking?season=2008&week=3&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab1pos1)

Watch Jeremy Green's video, like when he talks about the depth of the Giants at running back. Twit. If you want to talk about mediocre overrated teams, lets talk Jayhawks football.

[SCMC]

Give me a single shred of evidence to back this claim. Is it the fact that Brandon Jacobs is 6th in rushing yards despite the fact that he's sharing carries with two other RBs? Because he's averaging 5.8 ypc, Wards averaging 5.7, and Ahmad Bradshaw scored 2 TDs on just 6 touches for 70 yards?


Really now? Are they mediocre because they're 0-2? Because they dropped 41 points on an NFL team? Because they dominated the Washington Redskins who in turn had a great game against an NFC favorite Saints? And how can the 5th seed barely get into the playoffs? Funny, I seem to recall all of the non-playoff teams being 2 games behind the Giants. Besides the Patriots, the Packers, Cowgirls, and Giants were all better than the AFC teams last year, so you can throw that sentence on the rest of the pile of shit that is your posts.



And when was the last time you could say "My team won a playoff game!"?


Ya, and I bet the "experts" saw the same thing last year every week of the playoffs, so please, enlighten me, what exactly do you see? And tell me the last time a mediocre team went to the playoffs 3 years in a row, won 12 straight road games, or won the fucking SB? And btw, no, none of the experts have your shit-colored shades on because none of them are calling the Giants a mediocre team anymore.
I'm not fucking saying the cowboys are the greatest team ever, i'm was the one saying we need to fix a lot of crap if we wanna be a serious contender, someone else was saying the eagles would have won a bunch of SB's w/ Donovan healthy and with Donovan healthy they lost 3 straight conference championship games and finally won one then went on to lost the SB, so look at the conversation first assface.

[Wu-tang]

I'm not fucking saying the cowboys are the greatest team ever, i'm was the one saying we need to fix a lot of crap if we wanna be a serious contender, someone else was saying the eagles would have won a bunch of SB's w/ Donovan healthy and with Donovan healthy they lost 3 straight conference championship games and finally won one then went on to lost the SB, so look at the conversation first assface.

...My point still stands regardless of the stupid conversation that I can't understand(because you talk like a moron).

[SCMC]

...My point still stands regardless of the stupid conversation that I can't understand(because you talk like a moron).
How do I talk like a moron, look at how some other people talk on here, THOSE PEOPLE are the real morons.

[x1_nick_1x]

Hah this is a fun one.

Two things, Wu-Tang...number one, the Patriots are in the AFC, not the NFC. Durrr.

Secondly, google it. Just google it.

[Bergs]

Reading comp. He was saying that aside from the AFC's Patriots, the next three best teams in last years playoffs were the NFC's Cowboys, Packers, and Giants.

[Wu-tang]

Hah this is a fun one.

Two things, Wu-Tang...number one, the Patriots are in the AFC, not the NFC. Durrr.

Secondly, google it. Just google it.

:dunce:

That's game over. If you're not going to attack the actual argument then don't argue at all. I never said the Patriots weren't in the AFC.

[SCMC]

Give me a single shred of evidence to back this claim. Is it the fact that Brandon Jacobs is 6th in rushing yards despite the fact that he's sharing carries with two other RBs? Because he's averaging 5.8 ypc, Wards averaging 5.7, and Ahmad Bradshaw scored 2 TDs on just 6 touches for 70 yards?


Really now? Are they mediocre because they're 0-2? Because they dropped 41 points on an NFL team? Because they dominated the Washington Redskins who in turn had a great game against an NFC favorite Saints? And how can the 5th seed barely get into the playoffs? Funny, I seem to recall all of the non-playoff teams being 2 games behind the Giants. Besides the Patriots, the Packers, Cowgirls, and Giants were all better than the AFC teams last year, so you can throw that sentence on the rest of the pile of shit that is your posts.



And when was the last time you could say "My team won a playoff game!"?


Ya, and I bet the "experts" saw the same thing last year every week of the playoffs, so please, enlighten me, what exactly do you see? And tell me the last time a mediocre team went to the playoffs 3 years in a row, won 12 straight road games, or won the fucking SB? And btw, no, none of the experts have your shit-colored shades on because none of them are calling the Giants a mediocre team anymore.
ha you did

[Wu-tang]

Quit being stupid.

Besides the Patriots, the Packers, Cowgirls, and Giants were all better than the AFC teams last year,
The Packers, Cowgirls, and Giants were all better than the AFC teams last year, besides the Patriots. Really? Simple reading comprehension.

[SCMC]

Quit being stupid.


The Packers, Cowgirls, and Giants were all better than the AFC teams last year, besides the Patriots. Really? Simple reading comprehension.
ha he did lol

[AsHopeDies]

ha he did lol

SCMC...congrats, you're a complete fucking buffoon.

[atreyu_2020]

Eh I would have picked the Colts over all 3 of those NFC teams, last year. Also during the regular season I don't think the Giants would have beaten the Colts or Chargers last season.

No one, including yourself Wutang that counted your Giants out last season, thought the Giants were in the top 4 teams in the league last year.

Besides, last year has nothing to do with anything now. I'm sure everyone is willing to admit the NFC looks stronger then the AFC this year, but there's still a long season left, what exactly is the argument?

[SCMC]

SCMC...congrats, you're a complete fucking buffoon.
Dude i'm joking, the internet and forums like this are a great way to piss off way too serious people like all of you, so ashopedies, calm the fuck down and just relax.

[x1_nick_1x]

:dunce:

That's game over. If you're not going to attack the actual argument then don't argue at all. I never said the Patriots weren't in the AFC.

Sure you did.

And I try not to argue. I have heated discussions. :boink:

[SCMC]

Sure you did.

And I try not to argue. I have heated discussions. :boink:
in total agreeance with nick on this one, lol heated discussions :)

[iBmx]

I have to say that it's the Steelers. I watched their game versus a Houstan Texans team that was supposed to keep it close, only losing by 3 points. Pittsburgh lead 38-3 before taking the starters out, winning the game by the score of 38-17.

Big Ben Roethlisberger was 13-14 with accuracy that was almost disgusting and a passer rating of 149. He accounted for two touchdowns, each thrown to Hines Ward. Fast Willie Parker accounted for three, countem, three rushing touchdowns and 149 yards rushing.

With a defense including a finally healthy Troy Polamalu and Lamarr Woodley, they allowed only 3 points. (which like I said, was before the starters left the game)

It's too early to tell, obviously. Dallas is up there, you can't count out Indianapolis, and of course New England is only missing their quarterback, but their backup seems to have things under control. They'll be in the mix, too. But in the end, the Steelers will become the most winningest superbowl team, racking up number 6.

Who is overrated? Again, I'm sick of seeing the Saints in the mix. They suck and they're overrated again, ESPN has their head up their ass and put the Saints as the number 5 team in the NFL, IN FRONT OF INDIANAPOLIS AND NEW ENGLAND. The Giants are also overrated, and as happy as I am that they won the superbowl last year, come on. That won't happen again. They're stressing for a runningback anyway.

looks like you copied this word for word or something

[x1_nick_1x]

Heh, no that's all me. I'm a big English guy so I write pretty well...but you can tell by some of the stuff I wrote it's me. I don't think there are many places who would write something like "ESPN has their head up their ass" in a column and get away with it lmao.

[Wu-tang]

Eh I would have picked the Colts over all 3 of those NFC teams, last year. Also during the regular season I don't think the Giants would have beaten the Colts or Chargers last season.

No one, including yourself Wutang that counted your Giants out last season, thought the Giants were in the top 4 teams in the league last year.

Besides, last year has nothing to do with anything now. I'm sure everyone is willing to admit the NFC looks stronger then the AFC this year, but there's still a long season left, what exactly is the argument?

I counted the Giants out after week 2, but from week 3 and beyond they excelled(16-4 since then) besides one or two bad games. At the beginning of the Giants run I didn't think they would go all the way, but week by week I had them winning every game. The argument was that nick said the Giants were a mediocre team, even last year, and the only reason they got to the playoffs was because they were in a weak conference, and even then they barely squeeked by. Which isn't true at all, because they were well ahead of the other wildcard contenders, and I doubt anyone could argue that they one of the hardest roads to the SB in history.


And I try not to argue. I have heated discussions. :boink:

No, you ignore any relevant comments, making yourself look like an asshat.

[meat sandwich]

jacksonville

[Bergs]

No, you ignore any relevant comments, making yourself look like an asshat.

Yeah, and just remember, the Giants are stressing for a running back and all the experts know it! Just ask Dr. Z!

Tom Coughlin might have fallen into something without really knowing it. Three talented runners, each with a different style, each of whom put up numbers against the Rams. Jacobs, the monster (93 yards, 6.2 average); Ward, 228 pounds with the moves of a smaller man (58 yards, 7.3 average); and Bradshaw, a zippy little guy, a Dave Meggett type (52 yards, 10.4 average). Remember the Giants' old Baby Bulls? Frederickson, Thurlow and Koy of the '60s? No, of course, you don't because they came along when the club was in a down period, but there were times when they were all in the same backfield together, and it was a sight to see. See what happens when a team is coming off a blowout? Cranks up all the memory mechanisms in old farts such as myself.

[x1_nick_1x]

Meh, we'll see who's wrong when the Giants start losing to mediocre teams. I'll be very surprised if they don't drop two of their next 4 games. Let's see...Cleveland, Cinci, San Fran, and Seattle.

I'm gonna say they'll drop Cleveland and San Fransisco. But that's seperate from the idea that they'll drop two games. Watch it happen.

[SportsFan81]

it wont. mostly because the Giants Defense can single handily win every one of those games. Maybe except Cleveland, thought their time management blows, so who knows.

As for my Superbowl picks, I liked the Colts but their injuries might kill my pick. I still like them, but not as much.

Ill go Bills vs. Denver DEN wins

NFC: PHI vs. ARI PHilly wins

SB: PHI wins on an FG in OT 31-28. Watch THAT happen.

[x1_nick_1x]

So you think Philly is gonna win the superbowl?






No, McNabb will be in a cast shortly, I'm sure.

[atreyu_2020]

Phili fans are usually blind homers, don't mind him. He also picked Phili to beat Pittsburgh in the NHL playoffs too. Now he's predicting the Eagles to win the Super Bowl.

[2000 civic si]

Name of the thread is whos winning the super bowl... Cant' seem to do that without having to get blasted for that. If philly keeps playing the way they have been, then yea, They have a fair shot.

[atreyu_2020]

Name of the thread is whos winning the super bowl... Cant' seem to do that without having to get blasted for that. If philly keeps playing the way they have been, then yea, They have a fair shot.

When an obvious homer, such as SportsFan, predicts the Eagles to win the Super Bowl and claim "watch THAT happen" it causes extra attention and homerism. He did the same with the Flyers too. Unless you're in Boston you don't predict your team in two different sports to win championships without being called a homer.

They have a shot, yes, but to predict them to win the Super Bowl when you're an Eagles fan is being a homer. As it stands Dallas and the Giants are the better team.

[2000 civic si]

So you think Philly is gonna win the superbowl?






No, McNabb will be in a cast shortly, I'm sure.

I think and HOPE this is the year McNabb stays healthy and He takes the Eagles back into the post season.

[atreyu_2020]

I forgot to mention if Phili plays Dallas in the playoffs their chances greatly increase to continue in the playoffs.

[SCMC]

I forgot to mention if Phili plays Dallas in the playoffs their chances greatly increase to continue in the playoffs.
Yeah I also still don't have faith in the Cowboys come January but a fan is entitled to his hope.

[spike_throw]

cowboys definitely going to win superbowl...no question about it...

[x1_nick_1x]

Hah remember when I said Donovan will be in a cast? Well now he's got a chest contusion. He's supposed to play, but I'll bet he gets hurt and out this next game....Not to be a dick, because I kinda like the Eagles even though they are from the dark side of Pennsylvania, but Donovan is gonna implode one of these days and just turn into a pile of dust. He's frail.

[2000 civic si]

Hah remember when I said Donovan will be in a cast? Well now he's got a chest contusion. He's supposed to play, but I'll bet he gets hurt and out this next game....Not to be a dick, because I kinda like the Eagles even though they are from the dark side of Pennsylvania, but Donovan is gonna implode one of these days and just turn into a pile of dust. He's frail.

But he still played. That's all that matters.

[firepiss]

All I know is one of the beasts from the NFC East is winning the super bowl this year.

[sgmusic]

Titans. laugh now, but i'll make sure to bump this thread when it happens. They've always been underrated and dont get any respect. they will this year.

[jn_powell]

Titans. ... They've always been underrated and dont get any respect. they will this year.
How can you be underrated when you go 5-11, 4-12, and 8-8 three years in a row? That statement is ludicrous. I will say though that they play a relatively easy schedule looking at the way things are right now so as long as they keep Vince Young off the field they may have a shot at going somewhere in the playoffs. We shall see.

[1iNcHWoNDeR]

To be honest there is no powerhouse this year, it is all kind of evened out. Sounds weird but if Panthers defense plays well they could make it back to the superbowl. Now for the AFC even though the Miami Dolphins are amazing, I dont think they can make it yet. As of right now I'll have to go with the Chargers, even though they are 2-2 they could 4-0...so well see. Also the Titans.....just wait.

[PossumLuver]

My Superbowl prediction will be that its between the New York Giants vs. Titans. I'll go with the Titans for the win, they are looking better as of right now.

[Roxtar]

Jaguars vs. Cowboys in the big game. Jags win the turnover battle and control the clock with he running game FTW.

[dtorre]

Giants or Cowgirls......book it

though my fucking 49ers and Broncos better atleast make the playoffs

[pantomime]

is it already on? damn...

[x1_nick_1x]

Jaguars vs. Cowboys in the big game. Jags win the turnover battle and control the clock with he running game FTW.

The Jags? You've gotta be kidding me...

[SCMC]

The Jags? You've gotta be kidding me...
the jags are good they just have some lineman injured right now

[SportsFan81]

Question: Are the Bills for real? I mean they can easily win that division with NE's situation, Miami is just terrible and the Jets being a .500 team right?

Id love to see a team like that make the play-offs

[hellbound74]

The Saints vs. the Bill's

Saints take it in the 4th quarter with a Reggie Bush TD!!!!

Final Score 45-42 Saints!!:err:

[McShady]

The Saints vs. the Bill's

Saints take it in the 4th quarter with a Reggie Bush TD!!!!

Final Score 45-42 Saints!!:err:

Saints are average at best. I have no idea where this prediction is coming from.

[AsHopeDies]

Panthers vs. Steelers/Colts

AFC team loses by 3

[x1_nick_1x]

Panthers vs. Steelers/Colts

AFC team loses by 3

The Panthers will never win a superbowl. They and the Saints are the most overrated teams I've ever seen. They are mediocre at the very best and they can't win big games. Remember when the great Saints got crushed by the Bears in the NFC title game, the Bears being the first legit team they played in the playoffs? And the Panthers...They are gonna have to actually make the playoffs first.

I think the NFC team that makes it will be, surprised as I am to say this, the Redskins. They are a team that was also mediocre, but now they seem legit. They already beat the two toughest teams of the NFC, beating Dallas handily. Clinton Portis and Randel El are playing great football and things are clicking for them.

[Roushpimpn]

The Panthers will never win a superbowl. They and the Saints are the most overrated teams I've ever seen. They are mediocre at the very best and they can't win big games. Remember when the great Saints got crushed by the Bears in the NFC title game, the Bears being the first legit team they played in the playoffs? And the Panthers...They are gonna have to actually make the playoffs first.

I think the NFC team that makes it will be, surprised as I am to say this, the Redskins. They are a team that was also mediocre, but now they seem legit. They already beat the two toughest teams of the NFC, beating Dallas handily. Clinton Portis and Randel El are playing great football and things are clicking for them.

Yea and so will the fucking cowboys who haven't won a playoff game in 10 years yet people still crown their ass. If the panthers win this sunday they will have a 3 game lead in the division, then they have 3 easy games. Can't win big games? Last drive score to win at SD? Chicago?? The Giants are still the best team in the NFC. Yes the Saints are overrated. I don't see how you could even say the panthers are overrated. They don't get any media coverage and are usually the underdog. They are the best team no one talks about.

[steelersfan36]

It does no matter who the the nfc team is because the steelers are going to win no doubt. They are way too good this year to mess up again in the playoffs. Even with there run game down because of injuries big ben will lead them to the big game and there defense is going to win it for them

[SportsFan81]

It does no matter who the the nfc team is because the steelers are going to win no doubt. They are way too good this year to mess up again in the playoffs. Even with there run game down because of injuries big ben will lead them to the big game and there defense is going to win it for them

Never would have guessed.

[firepiss]

Right now, a NFC East team looks easly favored to represent the NFC in the super bowl. Even the last place Eagles are still in the picture being the best 2-3 team in the league.

From the AFC, the steelers have a true test getting past NY, Washington and Dallas this year. They already lost to the Eagles. But the best AFC team right now isn't the Titans. It's the Broncos.

If a Super Bowl was to happen right now? Washington Versus Denver.

I should say NY Giants getting the number 1 spot, however, they haven't played anybody yet except for Washington, who only out played Redskins for the first quarter and a half. Rest of the game belonged to Washington.

[AsHopeDies]

The Panthers will never win a superbowl. They and the Saints are the most overrated teams I've ever seen. They are mediocre at the very best and they can't win big games. Remember when the great Saints got crushed by the Bears in the NFC title game, the Bears being the first legit team they played in the playoffs? And the Panthers...They are gonna have to actually make the playoffs first.

I think the NFC team that makes it will be, surprised as I am to say this, the Redskins. They are a team that was also mediocre, but now they seem legit. They already beat the two toughest teams of the NFC, beating Dallas handily. Clinton Portis and Randel El are playing great football and things are clicking for them.

What's happened the last two times the Panthers have been healthy and thus, made the playoffs? Call them mediocre and overrated if you want, but tell me a better super bowl in the last 15 years or another NFC team that gave New England such a run for their money in a Superbowl in their prime? The Panthers arguably should have won that game, you're point is completely wrong. The Panthers actually play much better in big games then they do in "easy" games.

[Geist]

The Panthers will never win a superbowl. They and the Saints are the most overrated teams I've ever seen. They are mediocre at the very best and they can't win big games. Remember when the great Saints got crushed by the Bears in the NFC title game, the Bears being the first legit team they played in the playoffs? And the Panthers...They are gonna have to actually make the playoffs first.

I think the NFC team that makes it will be, surprised as I am to say this, the Redskins. They are a team that was also mediocre, but now they seem legit. They already beat the two toughest teams of the NFC, beating Dallas handily. Clinton Portis and Randel El are playing great football and things are clicking for them.

In years past, yes. But how can you call a 4-1 team overrated? They've shut down so many marque running backs, I'm losing count.

Actually, strike that, I hope people keep underestimating the Panthers just like they did in 2003. And we've only been to one Super Bowl, so don't make it out like we're the Bills and we lose every chance we get. Carolina is 5-2 in the postseason.

Right now, a NFC East team looks easly favored to represent the NFC in the super bowl. Even the last place Eagles are still in the picture being the best 2-3 team in the league.

From the AFC, the steelers have a true test getting past NY, Washington and Dallas this year. They already lost to the Eagles. But the best AFC team right now isn't the Titans. It's the Broncos.

If a Super Bowl was to happen right now? Washington Versus Denver.

I should say NY Giants getting the number 1 spot, however, they haven't played anybody yet except for Washington, who only out played Redskins for the first quarter and a half. Rest of the game belonged to Washington.

How can you call Denver a Super Bowl team? Other than playing good defense against an Offense-retarded Bucs squad, their defense is good-fucking-awful.

I agree with you about the NFC East, but they may bludgeon themselves stupid against each other before we ever get to the postseason.

[Nick is cool]

It does no matter who the the nfc team is because the steelers are going to win no doubt. They are way too good this year to mess up again in the playoffs. Even with there run game down because of injuries big ben will lead them to the big game and there defense is going to win it for them


You sure? The steelers would be the 5th best team in the nfc east, if they were somehow added to it.

[SportsFan81]

What's happened the last two times the Panthers have been healthy and thus, made the playoffs? Call them mediocre and overrated if you want, but tell me a better super bowl in the last 15 years or another NFC team that gave New England such a run for their money in a Superbowl in their prime? The Panthers arguably should have won that game, you're point is completely wrong. The Panthers actually play much better in big games then they do in "easy" games.

I dont know, maybe the Eagles?

[AsHopeDies]

I dont know, maybe the Eagles?

Agreed, that was a really good game, I don't think it was as good as the year before, but perhaps I'm biased.

[atreyu_2020]

Considering both games relied on a final field goal, there's no reason to try and compare.

However, the Rams did pretty well against them but they basically shot themselves in the foot with all the penalty yardage. If anything they gave them the most fits.

[Geist]

I would say the turning point in the Panthers' Super Bowl was when Kasay botched the kickoff and gave the Pats the ball on the 40. If they would've been pinned deep, it might have been another story.

Then again, every single play in a game can be considered a "what if?"

[AsHopeDies]

I don't think you can look at the final margin and determine what was a better game or that they were the same.

[kirchow]

As much as I wanna say the cowboys beating the chargers, I really can't because neither teams are playing really good football; I say the Giants and the Panthers- the two teams that really aren't talked about but play well anyway.

And Tony Romo- what the hell? He needs to step up and make some decent throws against the Cardinals tomorrow.


Final Score (OT):
New York Giants-24
Carolina Panthers-21

[atreyu_2020]

As much as I wanna say the cowboys beating the chargers, I really can't because neither teams are playing really good football; I say the Giants and the Panthers- the two teams that really aren't talked about but play well anyway.

And Tony Romo- what the hell? He needs to step up and make some decent throws against the Cardinals tomorrow.


Final Score (OT):
New York Giants-24
Carolina Panthers-21

If anything his line needs to step up. How dare they let defenders get 6 feet near him for him to make a bad throw. Awful, awful.

[AsHopeDies]

if the giants play the panthers in the super bowl, I'll kill myself.

[mgunit]

Final Score (OT):
New York Giants-24
Carolina Panthers-21

They definitely won't be playing in the Super Bowl (NFC Championship maybe?)

I like the Panthers to keep quietly pulling off wins. They're better on Offense than they were in the 2003 season, and possibly as good on Defense.

I'm not sure who's gonna pull it out in the AFC but I'm leaning towards the Steelers right now.

[x1_nick_1x]

What's happened the last two times the Panthers have been healthy and thus, made the playoffs? Call them mediocre and overrated if you want, but tell me a better super bowl in the last 15 years or another NFC team that gave New England such a run for their money in a Superbowl in their prime? The Panthers arguably should have won that game, you're point is completely wrong. The Panthers actually play much better in big games then they do in "easy" games.

New England was just a team then. They were not in their prime like they were last year, Brady was still new, no Moss, etc. Carolina always manages to mess things up. They're just one of those teams. I'm not going by records, I'm going by how they perform in pressure situations. There are teams who make the playoffs that don't have a shot against legit teams. They're just there because there are enough playoff slots available.

There are also teams that can do it anytime. Pittsburgh, New York, Dallas, New England, Indy, these are some teams I consider legit, because they can get things done in the postseason. I've always said the NFC is soft. They're getting better, now. But the afc has still won most of the recent superbowls.

I want to see Carolina be able to beat a goliath first. Same with teams like Tennessee. When the pressure is on is when teams' true colors show.

[AsHopeDies]

Dallas hasn't won a post season game in over 10 years. You have officially lost all credibility. Carolina has made the post season twice in the last 5 years and have made it to at least the NFC championship game. They don't just earn there way into the playoffs and are one and done, like the Cowboys that you pointed out as a legit team that can get things done in the post season. Seriously, your point would be valid like 12 years ago...but not anymore.

When the pressure is on the true team comes out, I agree. And that's why the Panthers are 7-3 in the playoffs. Nearly every game they've won in the playoffs has been a road upset. Including 2 wins against your beloved Cowboys and a playoff shutout of your beloved Giants, all the way back in 2005.

I'm gonna be 100% honest with you, it sounds like you just don't know what you're talking about. I was kidding about the Panthers being in and winning the Superbowl, but if it happened I wouldn't be surprised at all.

[x1_nick_1x]

Dallas hasn't won a post season game in over 10 years. You have officially lost all credibility. Carolina has made the post season twice in the last 5 years and have made it to at least the NFC championship game. They don't just earn there way into the playoffs and are one and done, like the Cowboys that you pointed out as a legit team that can get things done in the post season. Seriously, your point would be valid like 12 years ago...but not anymore.

When the pressure is on the true team comes out, I agree. And that's why the Panthers are 7-3 in the playoffs. Nearly every game they've won in the playoffs has been a road upset. Including 2 wins against your beloved Cowboys and a playoff shutout of your beloved Giants, all the way back in 2005.

I'm gonna be 100% honest with you, it sounds like you just don't know what you're talking about. I was kidding about the Panthers being in and winning the Superbowl, but if it happened I wouldn't be surprised at all.

Have I officially lost all credibility? Jeez, why do people talk like that?

ANYWAY, I guess the point I'm trying to make is, there are teams that just don't have what it takes. I mentioned Dallas because they are a superpower team. When you talk Dallas, you know you're talking about an accomplished team full of superstars. They just fucked up the game winner two years ago, which was Romo's fault, and last year lost to the superbowl winners. They havn't been in the playoffs since they won the superbowl, or around that time. Can't quite say that about Carolina. It's all about the vibe of the team. Are they clicking? Are they half-assed? You can't compare them to the great teams out there. They look like the same team every single year - Steve Smith, Jake Delhomme, and a bunch of nobodies.

And you weren't joking when you said that, quit being a pansy and changing your story. Carolina sucks. they've done nothing.

[proton]

if the giants play the panthers in the super bowl, I'll kill myself.

That's not possible. You mean in the play offs.

[x1_nick_1x]

if the giants play the panthers in the super bowl, I'll kill myself.

Coming from the person who just said I don't know what I'm talking about...

[Geist]

New England was just a team then. They were not in their prime like they were last year, Brady was still new, no Moss, etc. Carolina always manages to mess things up. They're just one of those teams. I'm not going by records, I'm going by how they perform in pressure situations. There are teams who make the playoffs that don't have a shot against legit teams. They're just there because there are enough playoff slots available.

There are also teams that can do it anytime. Pittsburgh, New York, Dallas, New England, Indy, these are some teams I consider legit, because they can get things done in the postseason. I've always said the NFC is soft. They're getting better, now. But the afc has still won most of the recent superbowls.

I want to see Carolina be able to beat a goliath first. Same with teams like Tennessee. When the pressure is on is when teams' true colors show.

I'm sort of with ASHD heres....you really don't seem to know what you're talking about? The NFC is soft? NFC teams won sixteen of the twenty Super Bowls in the 1980s and 1990s, including thirteen in a row from 1984 to 1996. It hasn't been until recently with the Patriots that the AFC has even HAD a credible dynasty. Then you say "I'm not going by records." In the NFL...is there anything else to go by? The Bears were fucking horrible, but they made it to the Superbowl.

You put the Jets and the Colts in that company? Really?? Wow.

Have I officially lost all credibility? Jeez, why do people talk like that?

ANYWAY, I guess the point I'm trying to make is, there are teams that just don't have what it takes. I mentioned Dallas because they are a superpower team. When you talk Dallas, you know you're talking about an accomplished team full of superstars. They just fucked up the game winner two years ago, which was Romo's fault, and last year lost to the superbowl winners. They havn't been in the playoffs since they won the superbowl, or around that time. Can't quite say that about Carolina. It's all about the vibe of the team. Are they clicking? Are they half-assed? You can't compare them to the great teams out there. They look like the same team every single year - Steve Smith, Jake Delhomme, and a bunch of nobodies.

And you weren't joking when you said that, quit being a pansy and changing your story. Carolina sucks. they've done nothing.

Nobodies? You really don't watch any football do you? Peppers, Muhammed, Hackett, Stewart, Otah, etc. get talked about quite a bit on the talkshows. Why? Because they are good. Jon Beason almost won rookie Defensive Player of the Year last year. Yeah, he's a nobody. :sleeping2

After your thread about "only just becoming an OSU fan" and now with some of the stuff you've posted in here...I'm sorry dude, I just can't take anything you say seriously.

[Wu-tang]

Since when has scoring one TD in three quarters meant that you outplayed the other team?

[mgunit]

They look like the same team every single year - Steve Smith, Jake Delhomme, and a bunch of nobodies.
That's a little overboard, what about Carolina's D? They've gained and lost a few players and they're playing damn tough right now. They've completely shut down the best backs in the league, and their pass D is the 3rd best in the league.

The Panthers look an awful lot like the 2003 team that rolled over the Cowboys on the way to the Super Bowl.

[x1_nick_1x]

I'm sort of with ASHD heres....you really don't seem to know what you're talking about? The NFC is soft? NFC teams won sixteen of the twenty Super Bowls in the 1980s and 1990s, including thirteen in a row from 1984 to 1996. It hasn't been until recently with the Patriots that the AFC has even HAD a credible dynasty. Then you say "I'm not going by records." In the NFL...is there anything else to go by? The Bears were fucking horrible, but they made it to the Superbowl.

You put the Jets and the Colts in that company? Really?? Wow.
UM, the JETS? No. Try the GIANTS. Jeez. I'm not talking about the 80's or 90's. I'm talking about the past 10 or so superbowls which are the most relevant. The Bears were an outstanding team the year they made the superbowl. Are you kidding me? Let's clarify. The past decade has been ruled by the AFC......I can't believe you just said the Bears were a terrible team.



Nobodies? You really don't watch any football do you? Peppers, Muhammed, Hackett, Stewart, Otah, etc. get talked about quite a bit on the talkshows. Why? Because they are good. Jon Beason almost won rookie Defensive Player of the Year last year. Yeah, he's a nobody. :sleeping2

After your thread about "only just becoming an OSU fan" and now with some of the stuff you've posted in here...I'm sorry dude, I just can't take anything you say seriously.


...wow, ok, they get talked about on talk shows. And that's how you define players level of skill? Sorry pal, you're the one who's losing it. And here's your bonus question. When's the last time Carolina HAD a defensive player of the year? Carolina has a good defense. That's only half of the deal. ......

I still can't believe you just tried to say Chicago sucked in their superbowl year.

[Roushpimpn]

UM, the JETS? No. Try the GIANTS. Jeez. I'm not talking about the 80's or 90's. I'm talking about the past 10 or so superbowls which are the most relevant. The Bears were an outstanding team the year they made the superbowl. Are you kidding me? Let's clarify. The past decade has been ruled by the AFC......I can't believe you just said the Bears were a terrible team.






...wow, ok, they get talked about on talk shows. And that's how you define players level of skill? Sorry pal, you're the one who's losing it. And here's your bonus question. When's the last time Carolina HAD a defensive player of the year? Carolina has a good defense. That's only half of the deal. ......

I still can't believe you just tried to say Chicago sucked in their superbowl year.

So a DPOY determines how a good a defense is? Please. John Beason, Thomas Davis, Julius Peppers, Ken Lucas, Chris Harris, and Chris Gamble are all probowl caliber players. The bears did suck, they had a great defense that carried them that whole season. Their offense was terrible and they got exposed for it in the superbowl.

[SwingersSpace69]

FARVE...thats all that needs to be said!

[x1_nick_1x]

So a DPOY determines how a good a defense is? Please. John Beason, Thomas Davis, Julius Peppers, Ken Lucas, Chris Harris, and Chris Gamble are all probowl caliber players. The bears did suck, they had a great defense that carried them that whole season. Their offense was terrible and they got exposed for it in the superbowl.

Bullshit. Their offense was great. They finished the 06 season tied for second in points scored.

[Liberator13]

So a DPOY determines how a good a defense is? Please. John Beason, Thomas Davis, Julius Peppers, Ken Lucas, Chris Harris, and Chris Gamble are all probowl caliber players. The bears did suck, they had a great defense that carried them that whole season. Their offense was terrible and they got exposed for it in the superbowl.

They had a good running game with Thomas Jones and Cedric Benson (When he tried). Benson went out in the first, Jones never had to be an every down back until that game.

[Roushpimpn]

Bullshit. Their offense was great. They finished the 06 season tied for second in points scored.

One dimensional offense with a shit QB.

[x1_nick_1x]

One dimensional offense with a shit QB.

That's not what you said. You said the offense was terrible. You don't score over 400 points in the nfl with a terrible offense. You're wrong. And Grossman was a decent qb that year.

[Liberator13]

Grossman has a good arm for bombing it, his vision and pocket presence sucks. He can really throw it downfield though. He has some muscle.

[Roushpimpn]

That's not what you said. You said the offense was terrible. You don't score over 400 points in the nfl with a terrible offense. You're wrong. And Grossman was a decent qb that year.

A one dimensional offense is a bad offense. It doesn't win championships obviously. I don't really give damn about the bears anyway. Your wrong about the panthers.

[Liberator13]

Way to completely ignore what I said.

[x1_nick_1x]

A one dimensional offense is a bad offense. It doesn't win championships obviously. I don't really give damn about the bears anyway. Your wrong about the panthers.

No I'm not.

[Roushpimpn]

No I'm not.

Yea you are dumbass.

[pantomime]

Yea you are dumbass.

*ding ding ding ding ding*

[x1_nick_1x]

*ding ding ding ding ding*

Eh, what happened there with your tigers? A loss is fine. But, damn.

[x1_nick_1x]

Yea you are dumbass.

Score as of now is TB 14, Carolina 0. Can't imagine a team like New England or Indy getting shut out in the first quarter.

[Roushpimpn]

So you wait for a game in which they are losing to talk shit? Fucking coward, you haven't even watched the game to know wtf is going on. Dante Rosario has single handedly given the buccaneers 14 points. That said the panthers offense is sputtering but this game should be much closer. Panthers special teams coach Danny Crossman has to be the worst in the league, they have some serious issues punting the ball. 17-3 no shutout.

[2000 civic si]

Damn the Rams are beating the Redskins 16-7 in the 4th qtr.

[SportsFan81]

Damn the Rams are beating the Redskins 16-7 in the 4th qtr.

Update: Skins winning. lol

And colts going to win. woot.

[mgunit]

Score as of now is TB 14, Carolina 0. Can't imagine a team like New England or Indy getting shut out in the first quarter.

I can, the 2003 Super Bowl Patriots got the shit kicked out of them 31-0 the first game of the season by the Buffalo Bills (led by Drew Bledsoe...).

Losses like this happen all the time, especially in tough divisional matchups. Don't get me wrong though, Carolina played terribly today and got their asses handed to them on both sides of the ball and special teams. I'd like to believe that having 2 injuries on the O-Line played a huge role in it, but it was obvious from the gun that the Panthers weren't ready for the game.

[atreyu_2020]

I can, the 2003 Super Bowl Patriots got the shit kicked out of them 31-0 the first game of the season by the Buffalo Bills (led by Drew Bledsoe...).

Losses like this happen all the time, especially in tough divisional matchups. Don't get me wrong though, Carolina played terribly today and got their asses handed to them on both sides of the ball and special teams. I'd like to believe that having 2 injuries on the O-Line played a huge role in it, but it was obvious from the gun that the Panthers weren't ready for the game.

Delhomme had decent pass protection throughout, they got their ass kicked fair and square. TB was missing their starting receiver.

[Roushpimpn]

Dante Rosario practically gave the bucs 14 pts. The panthers have been getting by with the penalties and undisciplined special teams all year. You can't do that with a good team like Tampa Bay and it cost them. We were missing Otah and Kalil but Jake had decent protection. They were missing the push in the run game that those guys brought to the line though. Tampa played solid and took advantage of the mistakes. Jake really pissed me off when he threw that bomb to Muhammad into double coverage when the offense was starting to click.

Crossman is the worst special teams coach in the NFL. We've had blocked punt issues all year. Thats why we got Rhys Lloyd for kick offs because the special teams coverage is shit.

[atreyu_2020]

Crossman is the worst special teams coach in the NFL. We've had blocked punt issues all year. Thats why we got Rhys Lloyd for kick offs because the special teams coverage is shit.

That goes to the Steelers yearly special teams coordinator. I don't think we've had a punt returner return a punt for over 7 yards this year. Thankfully our coverage has improved greatly from past years.

[SportsFan81]

Denver lost, GB won. Eagles...well, this one we needed. DAL losing, WAS lost in the East

edit: nice going AZ blowing that lead.

[PossumLuver]

edit: nice going AZ blowing that lead.

They still won though.

[x1_nick_1x]

So you wait for a game in which they are losing to talk shit? Fucking coward, you haven't even watched the game to know wtf is going on. Dante Rosario has single handedly given the buccaneers 14 points. That said the panthers offense is sputtering but this game should be much closer. Panthers special teams coach Danny Crossman has to be the worst in the league, they have some serious issues punting the ball. 17-3 no shutout.

I didn't have to. Just great timing in my favor lol. 27-3 was the final.

[Liberator13]

I don't think I've ever seen so many calls and bounces go so right for a team in a single game as I did tonight for Dallas.

[AsHopeDies]

Score as of now is TB 14, Carolina 0. Can't imagine a team like New England or Indy getting shut out in the first quarter.

Week 2, Indianapolis vs. Minnesota. Halftime score: Minnesota 9 - Indianapolis 0

New England has failed to score in the first quarter this year in Weeks 1, 3, and 6

In summary, kindly shut the fuck up, you obviously don't know shit.

[x1_nick_1x]

Look you can throw whatever stats you want at me, Ok so Indy didn't score in the first quarter. The point in it's entirety that I've been trying to make for 3 days is that there are teams who are capable, and teams who aren't. Carolina is not a capable team and they prove it year after year. Indy, NY, NE, Pittsburgh, which are all teams I talked about, ALL have won a superbowl recently because they have the metal to do it and are always in the playoffs. Carolina is soft.

[Geist]

5-2 in the postseason. Soft. Been an organization for about 13 years and already have 1 Superbowl Appearance and 2 NFC Championship appearances.

But yeah, I totally agree, they are soft.

Things aren't "right" just because you want them to be right. Good effort though.

[x1_nick_1x]

5-2 in the postseason. Soft. Been an organization for about 13 years and already have 1 Superbowl Appearance and 2 NFC Championship appearances.

But yeah, I totally agree, they are soft.

Things aren't "right" just because you want them to be right. Good effort though.

Yes, actually. They are professional football players just like everyone else. And if anything, your 13 year argument works to my advantage, because yes, they've been an organization for only 13 years. They had a couple of good years. They're not a perennial power.

And by the way, one of those nfc title games that they lost was against Seattle the year they went to the superbowl. And, damn, wouldn't you know it, didn't the steelers beat them?

In the 13 seasons they've been a team, they've made the playoffs 3 times. Albeit they did well, but still havn't been there for 3 years. They have an overall losing record, yes I looked it up. 107-115. That's pretty bad.

btw I liked your little dramatic touch at the end there, "things aren't right just because you want them to be right."

[ftbllplr]

They have an overall losing record, yes I looked it up. 107-115. That's pretty bad.


The Colts are 197-285 since moving to Indianapolis.

[x1_nick_1x]

The Colts are 197-285 since moving to Indianapolis.

The Colts won a recent superbowl.

[AsHopeDies]

The Colts won a recent superbowl.

Come on guys, stats are only important when they are in nick's favor, don't you realize that?

You're a moron, deal with it. We're all trying to.

[x1_nick_1x]

Come on guys, stats are only important when they are in nick's favor, don't you realize that?

You're a moron, deal with it. We're all trying to.

What stat is that? They won a superbowl. It's that simple.

btw I liked the dramatic touch at the end there, "you're a moron, deal with it. We're all trying to."

Just a quick sidenote, I think it's amusing that ppl say things like that. Really. Between you and Geist, especially. I don't know why you have to end all your posts with some snickering little comment like that.

[mgunit]

What stat is that? They won a superbowl. It's that simple.


So did the Rams and the Ravens, they're doing great this year! :err:

Winning (or making it to) a Super Bowl is no indication of a teams continued success.

[Wu-tang]

nick, you've lost this argument ten times over. Just quit. You're the only one that thinks your right.

[x1_nick_1x]

nick, you've lost this argument ten times over. Just quit. You're the only one that thinks your right.

ok.

Well the arguement was that the Panthers are a superbowl contender, and I disagree. So we'll just see how things play out between now and the playoffs. They'll be out by the second round.

[AsHopeDies]

That's not possible. You mean in the play offs.

Coming from the person who just said I don't know what I'm talking about...

Uhh...I was joking. That's why I said if they play in the Superbowl I'll kill myself...how did both of you miss that?

ok.

Well the arguement was that the Panthers are a superbowl contender, and I disagree. So we'll just see how things play out between now and the playoffs. They'll be out by the second round.

Actually the argument was that the Panthers were overrated and mediocre at best. Remember? You should because you were the one that said it. I said right off the bat that I was joking about them winning this year's Superbowl. But I will defend their track record in big games and their ability to excel when they can put together a good enough season to make the playoffs. Which I'm not sure they'll be able to pull off after seeing their effort on Sunday.

The Panthers will never win a superbowl. They and the Saints are the most overrated teams I've ever seen. They are mediocre at the very best and they can't win big games. Remember when the great Saints got crushed by the Bears in the NFC title game, the Bears being the first legit team they played in the playoffs? And the Panthers...They are gonna have to actually make the playoffs first.

[PossumLuver]

Anyone see that interception by the Browns that lead to a touchdown?!?!?! Crazy shit.:rolleyes:

[Roxtar]

I'm sticking with the Jaguars, unless Mr. Miyagi returns from the dead and does that magic hand rub heal thing he did for Daniel San right before the all valley karate tournament finals and fixes Brady's leg.

[atreyu_2020]

I'm sticking with the Jaguars, unless Mr. Miyagi returns from the dead and does that magic hand rub heal thing he did for Daniel San right before the all valley karate tournament finals and fixes Brady's leg.

They couldn't beat the Steelers with a vaste amount of injuries. If they play the Steelers in the playoffs, and there's a big possibility, I don't think they'd beat them with some of their guys back.

[Krippled By Kush]

fuck that, say what you will about the giants tonight but they're still going to win the whole fucking thing.

[x1_nick_1x]

Uhh...I was joking. That's why I said if they play in the Superbowl I'll kill myself...how did both of you miss that?



Actually the argument was that the Panthers were overrated and mediocre at best. Remember? You should because you were the one that said it. I said right off the bat that I was joking about them winning this year's Superbowl. But I will defend their track record in big games and their ability to excel when they can put together a good enough season to make the playoffs. Which I'm not sure they'll be able to pull off after seeing their effort on Sunday.

NO, actually the argument was the panthers are not superbowl contenders. The first thing I even said there was the Panthers will never win the superbowl. I backed it with an explanation, which is that they are overrated, mediocre. And i don't believe for a second that you were joking about picking Carolina to win the superbowl. Coming from the same person that thought the Giants and the Panthers could meet in the superbowl.

[sgmusic]

keep vince young off the field and the TITANS will remain good. they've already beat 2 good teams already.

[jn_powell]

keep vince young off the field and the TITANS will remain good. they've already beat 2 good teams already.
I would not get overly excited just yet. The best they have beaten is a .500 team. Their opponents combined records at this point are 9-19 (I believe) which is not exactly stellar. I am not saying they won't go anywhere, I am just cautious at this point. We shall see.

[AsHopeDies]

NO, actually the argument was the panthers are not superbowl contenders. The first thing I even said there was the Panthers will never win the superbowl. I backed it with an explanation, which is that they are overrated, mediocre. And i don't believe for a second that you were joking about picking Carolina to win the superbowl. Coming from the same person that thought the Giants and the Panthers could meet in the superbowl.

Um...I didn't think the Giants and the Panthers could meet in the Superbowl. Simple comprehension is a serious hurdle for you isn't it? Please, I beg you, go back and look at where I said the Giants and Panthers could meet in the Superbowl. I'd love to be there as you reread the posts and get that, "ooooohhhhhh" moment where you realize you are a moron. Furthermore, had you only said, "I don't think the Panthers will ever win a Superbowl" I wouldn't have argued with you. So how can that be the argument? I only argued your points about them being overrated, mediocre and unable to win the big game.

[x1_nick_1x]

Um...I didn't think the Giants and the Panthers could meet in the Superbowl. Simple comprehension is a serious hurdle for you isn't it? Please, I beg you, go back and look at where I said the Giants and Panthers could meet in the Superbowl. I'd love to be there as you reread the posts and get that, "ooooohhhhhh" moment where you realize you are a moron. Furthermore, had you only said, "I don't think the Panthers will ever win a Superbowl" I wouldn't have argued with you. So how can that be the argument? I only argued your points about them being overrated, mediocre and unable to win the big game.

Alright well, I'm done with this one. I love arguing and debating about stuff but I hate doing it with people who can't do it without tossing insults in every post. So the last thing I have to say about it is this. The Panthers are out by the second round of the playoffs. And you weren't joking.

[AsHopeDies]

Alright well, I'm done with this one. I love arguing and debating about stuff but I hate doing it with people who can't do it without tossing insults in every post. So the last thing I have to say about it is this. The Panthers are out by the second round of the playoffs. And you weren't joking.

The last thing I have to say about it is this. The Panthers won't make the playoffs.

[atreyu_2020]

You don't think the Panthers will make the playoffs?

[EFast]

Titans have not beaten anyone that great yet. I have to go with my team, the Jets, GO FAVRE!

But if the Jets don't win then most likely the powerhouse Detroit Lions.

If Lane Kiffen comes back maybe the Raiders?

[AsHopeDies]

You don't think the Panthers will make the playoffs?

Not with the way they played on Sunday man. They can change my mind this weekend against the Saints, but if they look anything as bad as they did against the Vikings or Bucs, then no way. They have a tendency to string together losses in the middle of the season for all kinds of different reasons. It really depends on which team is the real Panthers, the team that played the Bears/Chargers/Chiefs or the team who played the Viks/Bucs.

Saints, Bucs and Panthers have a shot, but with the NFC the way it is, the east is going to take up one if not two wildcard spots.

[Geist]

I would not get overly excited just yet. The best they have beaten is a .500 team. Their opponents combined records at this point are 9-19 (I believe) which is not exactly stellar. I am not saying they won't go anywhere, I am just cautious at this point. We shall see.

Well, if you look at it this way, those teams would be 14-14 if they hadn't been beaten by the Titans. :-)

AsHopeDies: I completely agree. The Panthers seem to want to lose when they are picked to put up a good fight, but seem to put up a good fight when they're picked to lose. They sort of remind me of an upstart college team that knocks off teams like USC...then loses to Kent State.

EDIT: Not saying Tampa Bay sucks.....oh hell, this whole train of thought didn't make any fucking sense.

[Roushpimpn]

All i know is that the defensive line needs to help Peppers out. He's usually the only one who gets consistent pressure and the other guys won't take advantage of the double teams he gets.

[Geist]

All i know is that the defensive line needs to help Peppers out. He's usually the only one who gets consistent pressure and the other guys won't take advantage of the double teams he gets.

I would say Johnson has been a good addition, but I agree, the line needs to get pressure and follow through!

[Roushpimpn]

Yea Johnson has done well at times. I think in a year or so he will be the starter. I'd like to see Hilee Taylor get a few more opportunities. He's crazy fast for a DE. Brayton is really good at run stopping. The group does get pressure alot of times but they don't finish and they always let the QB get away. There have been at least 5 times where they could have sacked the QB but he squeaks by. Our pass defense has been amazing despite inconsistent pressure, speaks volumes of our corners. Darwin Walker has had a few good moments. Maybe they just haven't gelled as a unit yet we shall see but no one is consistently beating their man on the d-line even when Peppers is demanding 2 guys.

[atreyu_2020]

After seeing the Cowboys, Giants, and Redskins faultering I could definitely see Carolina getting a wildcard if they cant win their division. This is why division games are so crucial, not to mention the hardest games to play.

So if the Steelers get beat by Cinci this week...well, it's going to be a hard game and....oh fuck it. If we lose to Cinci they might have as well cash in their season, especially with Ryan Fitzpatrick starting.

[AsHopeDies]

Oh for sure, I think they can do it. Just something about last Sunday feels too similar to last year. If they can prove that it was just one down game, I'll be back on board.

[Wu-tang]

Where's that guy that said the Giants aren't good?

[SCMC]

Where's that guy that said the Giants aren't good?

Probably trying to get the taste of foot out of his mouth. :lol:

[Dane_Cook]

Giants are definitely winning the bowl this year...

BTW, none of you probably care, but I made $20 from the Bills Vs Patriots game.

Perhaps Cowboys vs Giants?

[SportsFan81]

Giants are definitely winning the bowl this year...

BTW, none of you probably care, but I made $20 from the Bills Vs Patriots game.

Perhaps Cowboys vs Giants?

...and you picked?

[Xeonia]

I'm going to put my money on the Jets, if they can beat New England tonight, theyve got a realistic chance of getting far in the play offs.

[sgmusic]

titans, the titans. i said it at the beginning of the season, i'm still saying it.

[Rootraz]

titans, the titans. i said it at the beginning of the season, i'm still saying it.

Oh yeah!

I was being told I was a moron and a homer for saying the Titans will just make the playoffs before the season started, now look at 'em. Before the season started I didn't think we'd win the Superbowl, but I'm really starting to think that. I still feel that the Giants are slightly better than us though, but I dunno, we'll see how everything goes.

[Wu-tang]

Oh yeah!

I was being told I was a moron and a homer for saying the Titans will just make the playoffs before the season started, now look at 'em. Before the season started I didn't think we'd win the Superbowl, but I'm really starting to think that. I still feel that the Giants are slightly better than us though, but I dunno, we'll see how everything goes.

They were 10-6 last year and made the playoffs... Everyone expected them to be a playoff team.

[atreyu_2020]

Oh yeah!

I was being told I was a moron and a homer for saying the Titans will just make the playoffs before the season started, now look at 'em. Before the season started I didn't think we'd win the Superbowl, but I'm really starting to think that. I still feel that the Giants are slightly better than us though, but I dunno, we'll see how everything goes.

As far as I know on this board the only person that called you out for being a homer was FatMac, whom as we all know is about the least credible football "fan" on this site and talks the most amount of shit when his sorry ass excuse of a team suceeds once in a blue moon; much like any other Bungle fan.

[Rootraz]

As far as I know on this board the only person that called you out for being a homer was FatMac, whom as we all know is about the least credible football "fan" on this site and talks the most amount of shit when his sorry ass excuse of a team suceeds once in a blue moon; much like any other Bungle fan.

True, but I'm more referring to people I know personally and the ESPN message board(don't go there anymore, it's so pathetic)

And to Wu-tang, surprisingly, most experts picked them to be 7-9,8-8, or 9-7. Hell, I only picked them to win 11, but looks like we'll probably pass that mark.

I think our game against the Jets is gonna be real good, may even be our first loss, but I don't think so. I think we'll win this week and lose to the Lions in a game that will go down in history because a 0-11 team beats a 11-0 team.

[PossumLuver]

I feel like Carolina has a very good chance of going all the way this year.

[Azwethinkweizm]

My man is going all the way.

If you don't know who I'm talking about then you really don't pay attention.

[Shorty|*|RocK89]

Jets Vs. Giants

[AsHopeDies]

Jets are crazy hot right now. Would hate an all NY superbowl though ;)

[PossumLuver]

Jets are crazy hot right now. Would hate an all NY superbowl though ;)

Whoopty doo, the Jets beat the Titans because the Titans haven't played a good team.

Jets Vs. Giants

The Steelers will also beat the Titans too, the Jets will make the playoffs but they will not get to the Superbowl thats for sure.

[atreyu_2020]

I could see neither one in the Super Bowl. Sure the Giants are the best team in the league, but often times that can bite you in the ass come playoff time. Everyone thought the Cowboys would walk right into the Super Bowl last year. If people give the Giants that same claim, and you know they will, that's not in their favor neither.

As far as the Jets, who the hell knows about the AFC. The way the Colts are playing right now I wouldn't be surprised to see them in the SB.

[AsHopeDies]

The way the Colts are playing right now I wouldn't be surprised to see them in the SB.

They are sneaking out wins against bad teams...what about that says SB?

[atreyu_2020]

Momentum is everything come the playoffs. When they do come around, the Colts will have a lot of it. And the Steelers, Patriots, and Chargers aren't "crappy" teams. The Chargers have loads of talent, it's just one of those seasons where nothing goes right for them.

[Wu-tang]

Jets are crazy hot right now. Would hate an all NY superbowl though ;)

And then Bruce Springsteen's the halftime performance... They'd have to play that game in Giants stadium. But the Jets are suckers and they'll blow it.

[AsHopeDies]

Momentum is everything come the playoffs. When they do come around, the Colts will have a lot of it. And the Steelers, Patriots, and Chargers aren't "crappy" teams. The Chargers have loads of talent, it's just one of those seasons where nothing goes right for them.

But you said the way they are playing now, not how they'll be playing come playoff time. I'm not saying they won't make the Superbowl, but I've seen nothing out of them recently to warrant your statement about their recent play being Superbowl worthy.

Whoopty doo, the Jets beat the Titans because the Titans haven't played a good team.

They are 8-3, their offense is hot, their defense is shutting people down. They are a hot team right now. Try to be less of a douche.

[YankeesSuck]

Jets Vs. Giants
Dream all you want.

The AFC is wide open though. Cassel is better than ever right now, back to back games with 400+ yards and 3 touchdowns. Brady never did that. But our back field sucks and can't defend for shit. The past 2 games have been a QB shootout. That Jets game was lame, Cassel with the game tying drive to force OT. Jets win coin flip and just drive down the field. The Jets D couldn't stop anything that game either, guarantee you the Pats would of drove down and scored. Hopefully they meet in the playoffs.

Fucking Colts are pissing me off. If the Pats won that might of eliminated them. Cause they were reeling at 3-4 one more loss would of done it. But they won and now they are hot again.

[FuNkYFreSH]

Jets are crazy hot right now. Would hate an all NY superbowl though ;)

Hank Hill would hate it.

"Whoa...and all Texas Super Bowl"

[PossumLuver]

They are 8-3, their offense is hot, their defense is shutting people down. They are a hot team right now. Try to be less of a douche.

8-3, amazing same with Carolina, Tampa, and Pittsburgh but you don't see everyone else flipping out. I'm glad they beat the Titans, but they are an overrated team and have had an easy schedule. Jets are good, but not that good.

[AsHopeDies]

The Jets are hot...there's a difference. Carolina struggled to beat Oakland and Detroit, literally could have lost those games. And then they got stomped on every side of the ball by Atlanta.

Furthermore, people aren't flipping out about the Jets. Saying a team is hot and to look out for them isn't flipping out, especially when said team is, in fact, hot.

[Roushpimpn]

The Jets are hot...there's a difference. Carolina struggled to beat Oakland and Detroit, literally could have lost those games. And then they got stomped on every side of the ball by Atlanta.

Furthermore, people aren't flipping out about the Jets. Saying a team is hot and to look out for them isn't flipping out, especially when said team is, in fact, hot.

Our offense needs a fire lit under their ass. You notice they only score when they need to? They played great in 2nd half but could not get away with the late game heroics this time. 3rd down conversion rate has got to go up.

[AsHopeDies]

Indeed. It was sad to see the first quarter. We looked like the worst team in the league. Atlanta scored on every possession and we couldn't get a first down. Dr. Jake and Mr. Hyde needs to get his shit together also.

[Roushpimpn]

I thought Jake played better. We almost stole that game from then on that 3 and 11. Marshall should have picked that shoulder pass we had great coverage on the play.

[kirchow]

Hold up one sec. I wanna see what the cowboys have to say about all this over the next five games.

[sprak_]

Manning vs Manning superbowl!

Giants are by far the best team in the league.

[AsHopeDies]

Hold up one sec. I wanna see what the cowboys have to say about all this over the next five games.

You better take it all in over the next 5 games. Because as we all know, come playoff time, they're one and done.

[PossumLuver]

You better take it all in over the next 5 games. Because as we all know, come playoff time, they're one and done.

Same with the Jets.

[AsHopeDies]

Can someone change this record? I think it's broken.

[Krippled By Kush]

the Raiders.

[harristeetersux]

I think the Panthers are going to win this year.

[Roushpimpn]

I think the Panthers are going to win this year.

It depends. The panthers have to resign Jordan Gross to keep their oline intact. That group was great this year and and another year under their belts and they should be among the best in the league.

Peppers is leaving no question about that. They have to franchise him and get picks for him. I believe our D will still be strong without him. He plays when he wants to his heart is questionable. I expect Charles Johnson and Thomas Davis to be big this year. If they could get a few early round picks for Peppers they could have that d-line rebuilt by the 3rd round. Plus some decent FA situational players and they should be good.

Ron Meeks is the new D coordinator. I'd expect Gamble and Harris to look better. Tyler Brayton was a pleasant surprise and i think he will only get better.

Offensively Jake Delhomme has got to improve and start tossing to other targets. Dwayne Jarrett will probably be given a legit shot at #2 this year. Him and Muhammad could be big in the red zone.

[BUTTFREAK]

cowboys vs. bills

[Roxtar]

cowboys vs. bills

Two non-playoff teams? Doubtful.

[atreyu_2020]

Tony Romo still quarterbacking? Yeah, no Super Bowl.

[BUTTFREAK]

COWBOYS vs. ravens

[Nick is cool]

Cowboys/eagles/falcons vs pats/colts

[atreyu_2020]

Are you people referring to next year or being sarcastic about the Super Bowl that has already taken place?

If so, it's stupid to predict who's going to the Super Bowl next year with nothing happening in the offseason, FA or the draft.

And it's especially stupid to pick the Cowboys no matter what they do.

[BUTTFREAK]

cowboys vs. patriots

[Kazimierz]

Eagles. They just barely lost to the Cowboys, at Texas Stadium, missing their 2 top receivers. They'll be playing against the Steelers. It'll be epic.

Damn I was close.

So for the time being, i'll keep my prediction the same for the next Superbowl.