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Shymega
09-22-2008, 12:04 AM
It's because people don't have a choice, they are forced not to like it. Seriously, how is any kid in America gonna like soccer when two of the biggest sports figures are laughing at it?
YouTube - Sony Bravia NFL Sears Commercial 1

From this dumb ass commercial alone, thousands of kids in America will grow up with the image implanted into their heads that the sport of soccer is a joke (sound familiar?)

You don't have to like the game, fine. But don't let manipulation be the reason you don't like it.

That's your life lesson for the day.

Geist
09-22-2008, 01:06 AM
It's because people don't have a choice, they are forced not to like it. Seriously, how is any kid in America gonna like soccer when two of the biggest sports figures are laughing at it?

From this dumb ass commercial alone, thousands of kids in America will grow up with the image implanted into their heads that the sport of soccer is a joke (sound familiar?)

You don't have to like the game, fine. But don't let manipulation be the reason you don't like it.

That's your life lesson for the day.

Wow. You got all of that out of a 30 second Manning commercial?

Americans don't like soccer/fussball because it is not fast-paced enough for them. I guarantee if you made the field half the size it is now and then made each goal worth like 5 points or some garbage....Americans would eat it up.

BTW, go DFB.

http://www.1000goals.com/wallpapers/germany-deutschland-7.jpg

x1_nick_1x
09-22-2008, 01:08 AM
This commercial wouldn't have any effect on kids liking soccer. As kids, they don't care about the things that we do. If they don't like a sport, it's because they don't think it's fun. That's really the only reason. As they grow older they can learn to like and hate certain sports for real reasons. I hate soccer because it's boring, games often end with a total of 2 or 3 goals over a 90 minute period, and games also often end with a tie. Kids aren't intelligent enough to think about things like that.

Sketcher
09-22-2008, 10:52 AM
I think if we had a real national soccer league in America, more people would get into it. I actually enjoy watching the occasional soccer game but I never became a real fan of it because there were no teams for me to really care about.

By the way, this one is funnier:

Commercial

SuicideRun
09-22-2008, 12:34 PM
I don't like it cause I think it's gay.
Just kidding, I think we don't like it cause different countries have sports of choice ,e.g, we have Baseball, you have Soccer, Ireland has Rugby etc etc etc.

AsHopeDies
09-22-2008, 02:48 PM
Seriously, how is any kid in America gonna like soccer when two of the biggest sports figures are laughing at it?

Of the 18 million Americans who play soccer, 78% are under the age of eighteen. In the 1990s, soccer was recognized as the fastest-growing college and high school sport in the United States.

Most kids in America not only like soccer, they love it. I'm a huge soccer fan, follow a lot of the international pro leagues as well as the MLS, and I play soccer about 2+ times a week. That being said, I laughed my ass off the first time I saw that Sony commercial. It's comedy, it's funny. And it has absolutely nothing to do with the popularity of soccer in the U.S. Each country has only so much room in the national attention span for professional sports. Most European countries have perhaps 2 sports that rival the popularity of the major sports in the U.S., baseball, basketball, football, hockey, golf, NASCAR, etc. The MLS is actually quite successful and is growing in popularity.

Your reasoning for the lack of popularity is flawed, as it is with the morons who claim that soccer isn't popular because it's "gay" or stupid or lame etc etc. Soccer isn't more popular because there are too many other, established, popular, American sports. America was founded to be different than England, let's not forget that. So, early on, people latched onto things like basketball because it was invented in America. Baseball is a takeoff on rounders, an English game. And it isn't the same as rounders because the guys who created baseball wanted something different than the English game, they changed rules for the sake of changing them to create an American sport. Same thing with football. They took rugby and Americanized it. So, the three most popular sports in this country were created in this country. Sure, currently, that isn't as important, but it is already ingrained. Immigration etc can't impact the popularity of these American sports.

For soccer to be more popular, there has to be a strong professional league that pays it's athletes highly and has popular, idolized athletes. For a kid who's growing up playing sports to say "I'm going to quit other sports and stick to soccer," they need to turn on the TV and see Altidore on sportscenter. Adu on the cover of Sports Illustrated. Clint Dempsey on cribs talking about his new rap CD. Landon Donovan on Letterman, etc. Can you tell me one reason for a standout athlete to pick soccer as his only sport? Until you can, you'll know the reason it's not more popular, not some stupid commercial.

4savo4
09-22-2008, 03:02 PM
Usa will be a top 5 ranked team in 10 years mark my words.

Banzai
09-22-2008, 03:32 PM
Because it isn't a high scoring game. Look at the increase in fans the NHL got after they decreased the rink size and changed the rules so there would be more scoring. Our attention span is short and we need more celebration flips and belly slides.

Shymega
09-22-2008, 03:48 PM
Most kids in America not only like soccer, they love it. I'm a huge soccer fan, follow a lot of the international pro leagues as well as the MLS, and I play soccer about 2+ times a week. That being said, I laughed my ass off the first time I saw that Sony commercial. It's comedy, it's funny. And it has absolutely nothing to do with the popularity of soccer in the U.S. Each country has only so much room in the national attention span for professional sports. Most European countries have perhaps 2 sports that rival the popularity of the major sports in the U.S., baseball, basketball, football, hockey, golf, NASCAR, etc. The MLS is actually quite successful and is growing in popularity.

Your reasoning for the lack of popularity is flawed, as it is with the morons who claim that soccer isn't popular because it's "gay" or stupid or lame etc etc. Soccer isn't more popular because there are too many other, established, popular, American sports. America was founded to be different than England, let's not forget that. So, early on, people latched onto things like basketball because it was invented in America. Baseball is a takeoff on rounders, an English game. And it isn't the same as rounders because the guys who created baseball wanted something different than the English game, they changed rules for the sake of changing them to create an American sport. Same thing with football. They took rugby and Americanized it. So, the three most popular sports in this country were created in this country. Sure, currently, that isn't as important, but it is already ingrained. Immigration etc can't impact the popularity of these American sports.

For soccer to be more popular, there has to be a strong professional league that pays it's athletes highly and has popular, idolized athletes. For a kid who's growing up playing sports to say "I'm going to quit other sports and stick to soccer," they need to turn on the TV and see Altidore on sportscenter. Adu on the cover of Sports Illustrated. Clint Dempsey on cribs talking about his new rap CD. Landon Donovan on Letterman, etc. Can you tell me one reason for a standout athlete to pick soccer as his only sport? Until you can, you'll know the reason it's not more popular, not some stupid commercial.

I'm talking from a general public opinion of how a lot of people feel about the sport in America. This commercial just capitalizes on that and will only add to the image of the sport, which for some reason is a complete laughing stock.

And to be honest, I really don't care if America likes the sport or not, but have a valid reason not to like it, which most people usually don't have which is what bothers me because that is childish, closed minded and ignorant all at the same time to fall into the "America soccer image" trap, in my opinion.

And I agree if kids saw more success in the game they'd want to play it more. But 99% of the time you ask an older kid why he does not like soccer, you will not get that response.

jn_powell
09-22-2008, 05:16 PM
And to be honest, I really don't care if America likes the sport or not, but have a valid reason not to like it, which most people usually don't have which is what bothers me because that is childish, closed minded and ignorant all at the same time to fall into the "America soccer image" trap, in my opinion.
Why the hell do I have to have a reason not to like soccer? There are lots of things I dislike because of my personal tastes, and with no real reason in particular, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. I don't like opera, not because it is bad music, but because it is simply not my taste. I don't like crotch rockets, not because they are bad bikes, but because they are simply not my taste. I don't like supreme pizza, not because it tastes bad, but because it is simply not my taste. And I don't like soccer, not because it is a bad sport, but because it is simply not my taste.

Dally
09-22-2008, 05:19 PM
Because it isn't a high scoring game. Look at the increase in fans the NHL got after they decreased the rink size and changed the rules so there would be more scoring. Our attention span is short and we need more celebration flips and belly slides.

What??? :confused:

322
09-22-2008, 08:12 PM
What??? :confused:

Sometimes removing a red line can really make it look like the rink got smaller. :p

AsHopeDies
09-22-2008, 10:26 PM
Because it isn't a high scoring game. Look at the increase in fans the NHL got after they decreased the rink size and changed the rules so there would be more scoring. Our attention span is short and we need more celebration flips and belly slides.

This is so wrong and ignorant on so many levels. Two of the most popular sports in American are low scoring, baseball and football. And before you further prove your ignorance, a 21 - 14 football game is actually 3 to 2. Also, hockey's popularity has been way down since the shortened season, it was much more popular before that. Rules changes etc. have been done to make up for that, but it was more popular when it was lower scoring...try again maybe?

I'm talking from a general public opinion of how a lot of people feel about the sport in America. This commercial just capitalizes on that and will only add to the image of the sport, which for some reason is a complete laughing stock.

And to be honest, I really don't care if America likes the sport or not, but have a valid reason not to like it, which most people usually don't have which is what bothers me because that is childish, closed minded and ignorant all at the same time to fall into the "America soccer image" trap, in my opinion.

And I agree if kids saw more success in the game they'd want to play it more. But 99% of the time you ask an older kid why he does not like soccer, you will not get that response.

As the saying goes...something about the loudest people don't necessarily represent the majority. But I do agree, soccer has a low image in the US. But, comparatively speaking, the MLS is quite popular and the popularity of the NASL back in the day with the New York Comets just proves that it's the star factor that would make soccer more popular in the U.S.

I'd say that commercial is more of a product of the national attitude of the sport, and not vice versa.

Dally
09-22-2008, 10:56 PM
Also, hockey's popularity has been way down since the shortened season, it was much more popular before that.

Are you referring to the shortened season in 94/95, due to the lockout?

Or since they switched from 84 to 82 games a season? They only played 84 games/season in 2 seasons, so I'm not sure that would have affected the popularity (if that is what you meant).

Nick is cool
09-22-2008, 11:12 PM
I cant speak for other people, but me personally, i just never liked the idea of using mainly my feet and kicking a ball around.


And there is no contact in soccer at all, which kids like me who like contact dont like. Sure there might be clips of alot of contact in pro matches and shit, but in backyard games there is no body contact.

AsHopeDies
09-23-2008, 03:11 AM
that's the gayest thing I've ever heard. Need some more man on man contact there chief? ;)

4savo4
09-23-2008, 03:24 AM
And there is no contact in soccer at all, which kids like me who like contact dont like. Sure there might be clips of alot of contact in pro matches and shit, but in backyard games there is no body contact.


Join a team. And you will see the competition go up.

In the england there is always body contact because it's a contact sport.

Am i right in guessing your not a fan on basketball then?

Samson
09-23-2008, 12:01 PM
I would have to say its Pride. Soccer isn't seen as an "american" sport like basketball and football. Its the same reason Hockey has a hard time there (relative to canada)

d_lit_e
09-23-2008, 12:19 PM
Because it isn't a high scoring game. Look at the increase in fans the NHL got after they decreased the rink size and changed the rules so there would be more scoring. Our attention span is short and we need more celebration flips and belly slides.

less/no commercials, shorter intermissions lol

darkesthorizon
09-23-2008, 02:45 PM
Soccer is just to boring for ADD America. I don't like soccer at all, i used to play it when i was a kid like everyone else does, but i found basketball and football a thousand times more exciting. Americans being ADD is why baseballs popularity has wane in the last 40 years. Went from america's pasttime, to it's 4 most popular sport, behind the nfl, nascar (which i will never embrace) and the nba

AsHopeDies
09-23-2008, 02:57 PM
That's a myth man. Football is slower than soccer, so is basketball. Popularity of professional sports isn't a science, but everything I've read has baseball as either the 2nd or 3rd most popular sport in the United States. Soccer is constant movement, constant running clock. Football and basketball have so many stoppages, timeouts, planning of plays, etc. Your argument actually goes against you rather than supporting your point. Soccer is heaven for someone with ADD.

Nick is cool
09-23-2008, 10:21 PM
Join a team. And you will see the competition go up.

In the england there is always body contact because it's a contact sport.

Am i right in guessing your not a fan on basketball then?


Theres contact, but not the type of contact im talking about. Does a soccer who can bench 400 have an advantage over a player who can bench 250, if they are the same speed? Probaly not.


And things like posting up and boxing out in basketball require alot of strength. Shaq and dwight howard are prime examples of why basketball is a physical sport.


That's a myth man. Football is slower than soccer, so is basketball. Popularity of professional sports isn't a science, but everything I've read has baseball as either the 2nd or 3rd most popular sport in the United States. Soccer is constant movement, constant running clock. Football and basketball have so many stoppages, timeouts, planning of plays, etc. Your argument actually goes against you rather than supporting your point. Soccer is heaven for someone with ADD.



Yes soccer is constant movement, which explains why its not nearly as fast paced as football. They have to conserve their energy and usually only go fast when they are making a scoring attempt. In the 5 seconds or so of a football play everyone is giving 100%, and these are athletes that are much bigger and faster than soccer players.

AsHopeDies
09-23-2008, 10:41 PM
Yes soccer is constant movement, which explains why its not nearly as fast paced as football. They have to conserve their energy and usually only go fast when they are making a scoring attempt. In the 5 seconds or so of a football play everyone is giving 100%, and these are athletes that are much bigger and faster than soccer players.

Sorry bro, I'm a huge fan of both...and that's simply not true. Not only is it not true, but it says nothing to the point I was making. Playing for 5 to 20 seconds and taking a 45 second break is not fast paced. The plays are fast paced, but the game itself is not. It's a grind and a battle in the trenches with dozens of stoppages that range from 45 seconds to minutes between plays, after scores, between quarters, etc. It's an amazing game that I love to watch, but American football simply isn't as fast paced as soccer, especially in A.D.D. terms.

More importantly, fast paced comparisons say nothing to the quality of the sport. Some of my favorite sports are slow paced sports, doesn't mean a thing. What it does relate to, however, is the myth that American's don't like soccer because it's "too slow" and they are "too A.D.D." It's arguably faster paced than the most popular sport in America and undoubtedly faster than most of the other popular sports in America.

Unhinged
09-23-2008, 11:10 PM
I agree with a lot of what AsHopeDies has been saying, obviously going through this argument a thousand times is tiring and thankfully some people are taking up the cause. But the incessant argumentation is pointless. Nobody will hange their point of view. I feel (and this is in no way based on any research, it is just my opinion, so fuck yourself) that a large portion of the reason why the better part of jock America feels soccer is a pussy sport is because America takes no pride in it. America is nowhere near in the talks for being one of the best teams in the world, whereas the most watched sprorts in America (Basketball, football, baseball, golf, etc.), we are one of the leading if not THE leading country at those sports.

I recall the 2002 World Cup in S. Korea where the US made it deep into the tournament. The entire nation took pride in the achivement and it was one of the most extensively covered moments on ESPN at the time. This leads me to believe that the amount of pride a nation takes in a sport contributes greatly to that sport's popularity. So I agree with most assertions in this thread that if the MLS was a far better league, popularity would skyrocket. Also, I guarantee that if the US makes it to the quarterfinals or better in South Africa, it will be blashphemy to speak ill of soccer for at least a month after the tournament. Until traditional American ignorance kicks back in, of course lol

Devastation
09-23-2008, 11:17 PM
It's not that I don't like soccer, I'm just not into it.

The same way that I feel about hockey. Nothing wrong with it, just not into it.

Basketball and football, and NASCAR during the summer.

322
09-23-2008, 11:22 PM
It's not that I don't like soccer, I'm just not into it.

The same way that I feel about hockey. Nothing wrong with it, just not into it.

Basketball and football, and NASCAR during the summer.

you're a fucking asshole! how can you not like hockey? and wtf is up with nascar? nascar is for racist hicks and it's stupid. baseball is dull and boring you fucking dick face.



jk, i like hockey, football and soccer, i don't like baseball or basketball but i have nothing against it.... how could you?

Azwethinkweizm
09-23-2008, 11:45 PM
Soccer is boring.



...and that commercial is making fun of how Americans refer to futbol as soccer and the rest of the world calls soccer football. Dumbass, watch the commercial next time.

viepr149
09-23-2008, 11:49 PM
World Cup

kthx

4savo4
09-24-2008, 07:43 AM
Theres contact, but not the type of contact im talking about. Does a soccer who can bench 400 have an advantage over a player who can bench 250, if they are the same speed? Probaly not.
.

The sports not about that. It's about technical ability and speed. Of course there is strength involved. Obviously it's not the right sport for you. Try rugby or stick with AF.

Nick is cool
09-25-2008, 09:18 PM
Sorry bro, I'm a huge fan of both...and that's simply not true. Not only is it not true, but it says nothing to the point I was making. Playing for 5 to 20 seconds and taking a 45 second break is not fast paced. The plays are fast paced, but the game itself is not. It's a grind and a battle in the trenches with dozens of stoppages that range from 45 seconds to minutes between plays, after scores, between quarters, etc. It's an amazing game that I love to watch, but American football simply isn't as fast paced as soccer, especially in A.D.D. terms.

More importantly, fast paced comparisons say nothing to the quality of the sport. Some of my favorite sports are slow paced sports, doesn't mean a thing. What it does relate to, however, is the myth that American's don't like soccer because it's "too slow" and they are "too A.D.D." It's arguably faster paced than the most popular sport in America and undoubtedly faster than most of the other popular sports in America.



Yea i know soccer is more fast paced simply because of the constant stops in football. I just was saying that during the actual plays in football, its very fast.

I dont even know what we are arguing about really. Im leaving this thread. David becham is a pussy.

4savo4
09-26-2008, 03:18 AM
Yea i know soccer is more fast paced simply because of the constant stops in football. I just was saying that during the actual plays in football, its very fast.

I dont even know what we are arguing about really. Im leaving this thread. David becham is a pussy.
:confused::confused: Who?

AsHopeDies
09-26-2008, 10:42 AM
I think he meant Kyle Beckerman, plays in the MLS.

Shymega
09-26-2008, 05:03 PM
I'm sorry but, the biggest pussies play in the NFL. Every week it's something different with an EMO NFL'er. If it's not Terell Owens it's Vince Young. If it's not Young it's Chad Johnson. If it's not Tony Homo getting slapped around by Mrs. Simpson, it's Reggie Bush crying like a baby on the phone to Kim Kardashian on her family show. I've never seen more bitches in my life than in the NFL.

Devastation
09-27-2008, 09:22 PM
Chad who? Oh, you must mean Chad Ocho Cinco.

I hate that fucking idiot.

4savo4
09-27-2008, 09:26 PM
Chad who? Oh, you must mean Chad Ocho Cinco.

I hate that fucking idiot.

That joke was done 2 posts ago but carry on.

Devastation
09-27-2008, 09:34 PM
That joke was done 2 posts ago but carry on.

Not a joke. He legally changed his name and is now officially an idiot.

Feel free to go down on my average-sized cock.

Superior_to_you
09-27-2008, 10:08 PM
And before you further prove your ignorance, a 21 - 14 football game is actually 3 to 2.


:squint: Maybe in a perfect world where every drive ends in a touchdown and nobody ever goes for 2.

k0n_
09-27-2008, 11:39 PM
who doesn't like soccer?

Nick is cool
09-28-2008, 01:45 PM
I'm sorry but, the biggest pussies play in the NFL. Every week it's something different with an EMO NFL'er. If it's not Terell Owens it's Vince Young. If it's not Young it's Chad Johnson. If it's not Tony Homo getting slapped around by Mrs. Simpson, it's Reggie Bush crying like a baby on the phone to Kim Kardashian on her family show. I've never seen more bitches in my life than in the NFL.



*Re-enters*


I never thought id see the day a soccer fan calls nfl players pussies. Its not easy to play in the nfl.. The weakest linebacker in the nfl would easily smash any soccer player in any forms of contact. Soccer you dont have "emo" players like vince young, there is no contact and nothing to worry about. Sure soccer takes alot of agility and coordination, but theres absolutely zero pain compared to football.

mrcoalminer
09-28-2008, 07:12 PM
I'd like rugby to see a surge of popularity. Love the sport. Can't see it happening though.

AsHopeDies
09-28-2008, 08:27 PM
:squint: Maybe in a perfect world where every drive ends in a touchdown and nobody ever goes for 2.

Field goals are gay, they don't count. A field goal is like earning a free kick, it's not a real "goal". And what does it have to do with every drive ending in a touchdown? wtf are you talking about.

OvaryAssassin
09-29-2008, 02:40 AM
Field goals are gay, they don't count. A field goal is like earning a free kick, it's not a real "goal". And what does it have to do with every drive ending in a touchdown? wtf are you talking about.

soccer is the ultimate gay sport

way too many men prancing around on the field with little action

AsHopeDies
09-29-2008, 02:45 AM
thank you for that moving insight.

Unhinged
09-29-2008, 10:27 AM
soccer is the ultimate gay sport

way too many men prancing around on the field with little action

there are exactly as many players on the field during an american football game as there are during a european football game. And they don't slap each other on the ass after every small achievement.

sublimej311
09-29-2008, 11:24 AM
I bet more people would like soccer if it had it's own And1 mixtape. Give it another decade because soccer can really only get bigger in the States, which I'm sure it will.

sweet
09-29-2008, 11:40 PM
*Re-enters*


I never thought id see the day a soccer fan calls nfl players pussies. Its not easy to play in the nfl.. The weakest linebacker in the nfl would easily smash any soccer player in any forms of contact. Soccer you dont have "emo" players like vince young, there is no contact and nothing to worry about. Sure soccer takes alot of agility and coordination, but theres absolutely zero pain compared to football.

There is plenty of contact and pain in soccer. Maybe not as much contact as football but there is plenty of pain. I don't know what you are talking about.

AsHopeDies
09-30-2008, 09:55 AM
but theres absolutely zero pain compared to football.

http://www.badtackle.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/eduardo_injury.jpg

And yes...before you ask, that is his bone sticking out of his sock.

4savo4
09-30-2008, 01:22 PM
http://www.badtackle.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/eduardo_injury.jpg

And yes...before you ask, that is his bone sticking out of his sock.

R.I.P Eduardo

:( :(

AsHopeDies
09-30-2008, 03:54 PM
Don't feel bad 4savo4, as Nick said, there's no pain. So, it may look bad, but it didn't hurt.

Yogi_bear
10-13-2008, 08:34 AM
i am a sport addict and playing soccer was my least sport, i dont know why too, maybe its just so tiring to run and pass around the ball for almost 1 hour unlike basketball, non-stop dunks and 3 points! oh yeah!

Nick is cool
10-13-2008, 12:28 PM
There is plenty of contact and pain in soccer. Maybe not as much contact as football but there is plenty of pain. I don't know what you are talking about.



Sure, to someone sitting on their couch thinking about it theres alot of pain. But you put someone with the mindset of ray lewis going into a football game on a soccer field, he wouldnt feel anything. In soccer every once in a while you get kicked in the ankle. In football every play you run full speed into another guy running full speed, get away from him, hit someone else or tackle some 220 pound runningback, etc.



http://www.badtackle.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/eduardo_injury.jpg

And yes...before you ask, that is his bone sticking out of his sock.



I wasnt talking about injuries, just the overall physicalness of the sport. You could probaly find a picture of a tennis players ankle fucked up like that too. There is no contact in tennis. With that said, im sure theres alot of broken ankles in soccer though.


Don't feel bad 4savo4, as Nick said, there's no pain. So, it may look bad, but it didn't hurt.


Right.

kirchow
10-13-2008, 01:22 PM
It's because people don't have a choice, they are forced not to like it. Seriously, how is any kid in America gonna like soccer when two of the biggest sports figures are laughing at it?
YouTube - Sony Bravia NFL Sears Commercial 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D6TBPl6B_U)

From this dumb ass commercial alone, thousands of kids in America will grow up with the image implanted into their heads that the sport of soccer is a joke (sound familiar?)

You don't have to like the game, fine. But don't let manipulation be the reason you don't like it.

That's your life lesson for the day.

if you watch any of the previews for the champions league matches (I live in America so I get them on espn) you'll notice that every commercial break they show a neon soccer ball outline during the sony/ bravia ads; point being that there is a shitload of sony/ bravia ads

I'm not really sure the creators would allow those lines to pass, but unless you're like me, the typical American watches football, not soccer

kirchow
10-13-2008, 01:29 PM
Wow. You got all of that out of a 30 second Manning commercial?

Americans don't like soccer/fussball because it is not fast-paced enough for them. I guarantee if you made the field half the size it is now and then made each goal worth like 5 points or some garbage....Americans would eat it up.

BTW, go DFB.

http://www.1000goals.com/wallpapers/germany-deutschland-7.jpg

based on the bolded excerpt, I recommend watching the Italian Serie A, its my preferred league, but its hard to watch the games sometimes cuz of American broadcasting


if your friends don't like soccer, make them watch turkey vs cech republic 2nd half and the overtime/ pk's in turkey vs croatia

Unhinged
10-13-2008, 01:41 PM
Sure, to someone sitting on their couch thinking about it theres alot of pain. But you put someone with the mindset of ray lewis going into a football game on a soccer field, he wouldnt feel anything. In soccer every once in a while you get kicked in the ankle. In football every play you run full speed into another guy running full speed, get away from him, hit someone else or tackle some 220 pound runningback, etc.



ray lewis wouldn't last the first half of a soccer game. Do you honestly think that contact is the only source of pain and physicality in a sport? Aside from getting blasted in the head by elbows when the ball is in the air (which it is frequently) the toll that all that running takes on your legs is murder. There was a point in high school where I skipped my sophomore and junior years of soccer because I hated the coach. When I returned senior year after not playing soccer for nearly 2 and a half years, the day after the first mandatory I almost committed suicide. My feet, calves, thighs, lower back, and abs were in such pain that I thought every muscle was shredded. You see these fucking linebackers in football that can't run the length of the field without running to the sidelines for oxygen. They would be dead trying to play soccer. So don't think that because soccer players aren't all over each other's nuts all the time for the sake of "contact" that there isn't any pain or physicality.

bconngemini
10-14-2008, 12:26 PM
As a red-blooded patriotic american I hate soccer intensly and think of it as an boring unmasculine unathletic game. Yet I can't ignore that its still the most watched sport in the world, while great exciting sports like NFL and MLB aren't. Someone explain to me: how can such a boring, sissy, unappealing sport be liked by so many...is it because foreigners like being bored by their sports? Don't they like excitement like the NFL and MLB?

I know most americans hate soccer and wish it to die, but why don't foreigners?
Is it because they are too poor to afford real sport? Too dumb and bored to understand that soccer is boring and gay? Don't they know that American sports are the better than soccer? Someone please answer.

brdispatch05
10-14-2008, 12:37 PM
As a red-blooded patriotic american I hate soccer intensly and think of it as an boring unmasculine unathletic game. Yet I can't ignore that its still the most watched sport in the world, while great exciting sports like NFL and MLB aren't. Someone explain to me: how can such a boring, sissy, unappealing sport be liked by so many...is it because foreigners like being bored by their sports? Don't they like excitement like the NFL and MLB?

I know most americans hate soccer and wish it to die, but why don't foreigners?
Is it because they are too poor to afford real sport? Too dumb and bored to understand that soccer is boring and gay? Don't they know that American sports are the better than soccer? Someone please answer.

I'm American, soccer/football kicks any US sports ass, it's because many Americans don't take the time to understand the logic/constant decision making/physical ability it takes to play.

And one break btw

jn_powell
10-14-2008, 12:52 PM
Please ignore the idiots people. Please. I cannot soccer, but calling MLB exciting is like calling a Geo Metro fast.

AsHopeDies
10-14-2008, 12:52 PM
forum troll is trolling

bconngemini
10-14-2008, 12:53 PM
I'm American, soccer/football kicks any US sports ass, it's because many Americans don't take the time to understand the logic/constant decision making/physical ability it takes to play.

And one break btw

Americans undestand SOCCER, and Americans say it suck. We know best, so we are right on SOCCER, the rest of the world is wrong. We have vastly superior sports like football, nascar and baseball. We also have the most watched sport in the rest of the world: basketball (which we dominate with american authority). Other countries watch the NBA because basketball is the only other sport they can afford and bring somewhat of a challenge to America's undisputed domination of all sports.

What I'm wondering is why the rest of the world (third worlders and euros) don't stop watching SOCCER since its so boring. Do other countries like boring and hate exciting sports like we have over here?

Do they like soccer because they are all anti-american and associate more masculine, exciting sports we have here with America and hence hate them? Do they like the inferior sport of soccer because we don't care about it and therefore do not dominate it like all other sports?

brdispatch05
10-14-2008, 12:58 PM
ok, I was going to argue with you but
forum troll is trolling

modogthemonkey
10-14-2008, 01:02 PM
We know best, so we are right on SOCCER, the rest of the world is wrong.

Of course thats why.

Honestly 90% Americans should be banned from commenting on anything to do with soccer.

Because it makes the other 10% with brains look bad.

bconngemini
10-14-2008, 01:03 PM
Look, don't accuse me of trolling when every American believes what I believe:

1) Soccer is for un-masculine foreigners and most white wealthy sissies whose soccer mom's drive them to soccer practice
2) Soccer is boring and nobody ever scores/ nothing ever happens
2a) No one cares about soccer, its BORING BORING BORING
3) Soccer is a third world sport, foreigners like it because it is cheap. If they could afford other sports, they would realize how terrible soccer is and how our America sports are superior.
4) Soccer overall SUCKS!

Prove that Americans don't think this, prove that soccer doesn't suck. I bet you can't. That's why you label me a troll, even though I'm just bringing the common view and opinion on soccer.

modogthemonkey
10-14-2008, 01:05 PM
See above ^^

bconngemini
10-14-2008, 01:09 PM
still didn't prove that soccer doesn't suck and isn't gay and boring. Until you soccer lovers can prove otherwise, soccer will continue to get hated. Why? Because objectively speaking, soccer is an inferior third world sport with no excitement and no advancement. You soccer apologists can't prove otherwise.

You only like soccer because its the only sport america doesn't dominate. If americans cared even the slighest bit about soccer, we would dominate it with absolute authority like eveything else. Then foreigners would stop pretending to like soccer and move onto another lame sport which americans don't care about....at least until we start noticing it and dominating.

bconngemini
10-14-2008, 01:20 PM
Here is the simple truth:

Americans know better while foreigners have nothing but soccer. American have freedom: we can choose between football, baseball, nascar, basketball, hockey, soccer...etc. We have all sports.

The rest of the world don't have a choice, they have soccer and nothing else because they are too poor to afford pads for football, a bat for baseball and a hoop for basketball. Hence soccer because more "popular" because there is nothing else, its "popular" by default and then other countries become acustomed to boring soccer and start hating exciting sports like football. Most foreigner have no idea about the NFL, but if they saw it they would immediately drop soccer and start watching a real sport like NFL football.

Guys like Nick is cool speak for the majority of America. America will never accept soccer. We will forever hate it and insult it, ridicule it whenever it enters the America consciousness.

brdispatch05
10-14-2008, 01:23 PM
Look, don't accuse me of trolling when every American believes what I believe:

1) Soccer is for built foreigners and completely mixed ethnicities whose moms have nothing to do with.
2) Soccer is fast-paced, and the build up to goals is so much more intense than a lucky throw or a goal every 5 seconds
2a) Soccer is the most watched sport in the world, idiot idiot idiot
3) This point contradicts my first point
4) four points later and still not even an argument

I am American, soccer doesn't suck. I bet I can.

there you go

overmind
10-14-2008, 01:31 PM
Because soccer is practically the only sport in which every country is represented. So you have people from like 200 countries watching.

bconngemini
10-14-2008, 01:32 PM
lol at soccer aplogists not being able to argue my point. Instead you choose to use the strawman arguements and insult me. Stick to the topic. Show me some proof that insubstantiates any of my points on why soccer is a crap sport.

bconngemini
10-14-2008, 01:33 PM
Because soccer is practically the only sport in which every country is represented. So you have people from like 200 countries watching.

Because other coutnries are too poor to afford pads for football and gloves for baseball and baskets for basketball. Not because its good, it sucks, its just that other countries can't afford real sports.

To soccer apologists: I'd like to see you prove me wrong: Soccer = third world.

brdispatch05
10-14-2008, 01:34 PM
lol at soccer aplogists not being able to argue my point. Instead you choose to use the strawman arguements and insult me. Stick to the topic. Show me some proof that insubstantiates any of my points on why soccer is a crap sport.

You sense make none

in fact, you are extremely contradicting yourself

bconngemini
10-14-2008, 01:37 PM
You still have not proven that soccer isn't boring, or sissy or an unwatchable sport that is below the level of football and baseball.

The Messiah
10-14-2008, 01:44 PM
I think trolling is the most boring sport.

The Messiah
10-14-2008, 01:47 PM
Damn, I guess it's our lost.

modogthemonkey
10-14-2008, 01:50 PM
Because other coutnries are too poor to afford pads for football and gloves for baseball and baskets for basketball. Not because its good, it sucks, its just that other countries can't afford real sports.

To soccer apologists: I'd like to see you prove me wrong: Soccer = third world.

Why bother...but I will humour you. Soccer i.e association football as we know today was invented by The British and is majority played in Europe. Now is Europe the third world?

Now let me pass, its dark under this bridge.

brdispatch05
10-14-2008, 01:50 PM
Boring is an opinion. Others entertained by sports you've mentioned have weaker defensive strategies and easier playing conditions, thus resulting in more points/touchdowns/baskets.

It's almost like watching a comedy like anchorman, than watching office space. I don't know you, but I assume you would pick anchorman because it is in your face comedy, can't miss the humor. There has to be something funny happening every 5 seconds to keep you entertained, whereas on office space you have to watch and understand the movie to depict its humor.

That is sort of like a few American sports (which I like watching, but this is my opinion why I like soccer better) and people like you can't appreciate them because it doesn't always end up a win, there are not constant goals being scored, they are earned, and where you look at every goal scored as the only thing that matters, everyone else is watching every tackle, shot, dribble, pass as a win/loss in that moment

Mysterio
10-14-2008, 01:53 PM
Yea MLB is so good to watch, you get 1 pitch every 5 minutes.

AsHopeDies
10-14-2008, 02:03 PM
I don't know who I hate more. The OP, or those of you who chose to take the bait.

AsHopeDies
10-14-2008, 02:07 PM
America will never accept soccer. We will forever hate it and insult it, ridicule it whenever it enters the America consciousness.

The New York Cosmos, soccer team in the NASL in New York in the 70s and 80s, averaged 47,856 people a game in 1978. You are wrong. It has been proven. You can't argue with those numbers. Now fuck off and die.

brdispatch05
10-14-2008, 02:08 PM
I don't know who I hate more. The OP, or those of you who chose to take the bait.

I like arguing, and maybe if this is what he truly believes, he will see it in a different light

4savo4
10-14-2008, 02:18 PM
Here is the simple truth:

Americans know better while foreigners have nothing but soccer. American have freedom: we can choose between football, baseball, nascar, basketball, hockey, soccer...etc. We have all sports.

The rest of the world don't have a choice, they have soccer and nothing else because they are too poor to afford pads for football, a bat for baseball and a hoop for basketball. Hence soccer because more "popular" because there is nothing else, its "popular" by default and then other countries become acustomed to boring soccer and start hating exciting sports like football. Most foreigner have no idea about the NFL, but if they saw it they would immediately drop soccer and start watching a real sport like NFL football.

Guys like Nick is cool speak for the majority of America. America will never accept soccer. We will forever hate it and insult it, ridicule it whenever it enters the America consciousness.

Damn...Its amazing how we can afford the ball the boots, shin pads, Goalpost... :eek: There are items to go with Soccer too. You don't need pads to play AF same as you don't need boots, Shin pads, and goal posts to play soccer. We have Cricket (Which is shit) Tell me how can Pakistan, west indies etc.. play that sport when you need virtually the same requirements as Baseball??? You're theory is media ridden bullshit now fuck off.

4savo4
10-14-2008, 02:29 PM
As a red-blooded patriotic american I hate soccer intensly and think of it as an boring unmasculine unathletic game. Yet I can't ignore that its still the most watched sport in the world, while great exciting sports like NFL and MLB aren't. Someone explain to me: how can such a boring, sissy, unappealing sport be liked by so many...is it because foreigners like being bored by their sports? Don't they like excitement like the NFL and MLB?

I know most americans hate soccer and wish it to die, but why don't foreigners?
Is it because they are too poor to afford real sport? Too dumb and bored to understand that soccer is boring and gay? Don't they know that American sports are the better than soccer? Someone please answer.

I fully agree. Soccer sucks. I can't believe so many watch and play when it is so crap.

bconngemini
10-14-2008, 02:34 PM
What you foreigners don't understand is how much hated soccer is here. We hate it with a passion and will forever be against it, no matter how much its stufffed down our throats. America has the best sports, best athletes and most excitement in sport than the rest of the world. America as a whole believes this deeply.

We will forever insult soccer, forever ridicule it, forever belittle it as a gay sissy sport for inferior weaklings. Nothing you foreigners say or do will ever change it, because we know that soccer is inferior since we have superior choices while you don;t.

bconngemini
10-14-2008, 02:37 PM
lolsoccer, no one watches SOCCER. SOCCER gets a zero share, we all laugh at it, we all insult it, we all berate SOCCER everytime its mentioned. This commercial proves just how much we hate soccer, how low our opinion of is, and how America will always see it as inferior, small, demunitative, nothing.

McShady
10-14-2008, 02:46 PM
Look, don't accuse me of trolling when every American believes what I believe:

1) Soccer is for un-masculine foreigners and most white wealthy sissies whose soccer mom's drive them to soccer practice
2) Soccer is boring and nobody ever scores/ nothing ever happens
2a) No one cares about soccer, its BORING BORING BORING
3) Soccer is a third world sport, foreigners like it because it is cheap. If they could afford other sports, they would realize how terrible soccer is and how our America sports are superior.
4) Soccer overall SUCKS!

Prove that Americans don't think this, prove that soccer doesn't suck. I bet you can't. That's why you label me a troll, even though I'm just bringing the common view and opinion on soccer.

Nailed it right on the head. I believe that soccer is the most popular sport in the world because those countries less fortunate than ours can actually afford to play it. All you need is a ball, where as in other more entertaining sports such as football and hockey it requires a lot of gear.

Soccer is also boring because no one ever scores, you can't use your hands (WTF?) and instead of time running out, time is increasing up until 90:00, and then once it hits 90:00 it keeps going because of penalties or something (WTF?). I've played soccer and it's somewhat fun but nowhere near any of the main USA sports.

bconngemini
10-14-2008, 02:54 PM
Nailed it right on the head. I believe that soccer is the most popular sport in the world because those countries less fortunate than ours can actually afford to play it. All you need is a ball, where as in other more entertaining sports such as football and hockey it requires a lot of gear.

Soccer is also boring because no one ever scores, you can't use your hands (WTF?) and instead of time running out, time is increasing up until 90:00, and then once it hits 90:00 it keeps going because of penalties or something (WTF?). I've played soccer and it's somewhat fun but nowhere near any of the main USA sports.

This is how every native-born patriotic American thinks and there is no changing it foreigners. Look at any soccer match ever, everyone is poor, it takes a ball made from nothing more than third world materials, its for those countries that are less fortunate to the greatest most richest, most dominant country of all time. SOCCER represents lack of freedom, lack of economic wealth, lack of American superiority. No other country can afford our sports, since other coutnries are so poor.

Other countries are not as fortunate as us, they HAVE to resort to an inferior sport like SOCCER. American sports are superior sports, its a shame other countries are too poor to afford American VASTLY superior sports.

Show the NFL to any foreigner, and they will drop SOCCER immediately, realizing how superior America sports with padding and equipment are to their third world poor lame boring sport of SOCCER. All Americans see this clearly, its sad foreigners don't.

4savo4
10-14-2008, 03:22 PM
lolsoccer, no one watches SOCCER. SOCCER gets a zero share, we all laugh at it, we all insult it, we all berate SOCCER everytime its mentioned. This commercial proves just how much we hate soccer, how low our opinion of is, and how America will always see it as inferior, small, demunitative, nothing.

You seem to making a big deal out of nothing then.

brdispatch05
10-14-2008, 03:32 PM
Ok a troll then, when given an actual response from an American he ignores it

fucking narrow minded douche

mrcoalminer
10-14-2008, 03:35 PM
Here is the simple truth:

Americans know better while foreigners have nothing but soccer. American have freedom: we can choose between football, baseball, nascar, basketball, hockey, soccer...etc. We have all sports.

The rest of the world don't have a choice, they have soccer and nothing else because they are too poor to afford pads for football, a bat for baseball and a hoop for basketball. Hence soccer because more "popular" because there is nothing else, its "popular" by default and then other countries become acustomed to boring soccer and start hating exciting sports like football. Most foreigner have no idea about the NFL, but if they saw it they would immediately drop soccer and start watching a real sport like NFL football.

Guys like Nick is cool speak for the majority of America. America will never accept soccer. We will forever hate it and insult it, ridicule it whenever it enters the America consciousness.


Thats strange because I can name a fair few sports other than soccer....

sKin
10-14-2008, 03:36 PM
Soccer, MLB, and Hockey all suck. GG.

mrcoalminer
10-14-2008, 03:41 PM
I think your life is the most boring sport.





Rugby FTW.

ashisforashley
10-14-2008, 04:10 PM
Americans undestand SOCCER, and Americans say it suck. We know best, so we are right on SOCCER, the rest of the world is wrong. We have vastly superior sports like football, nascar and baseball. We also have the most watched sport in the rest of the world: basketball (which we dominate with american authority). Other countries watch the NBA because basketball is the only other sport they can afford and bring somewhat of a challenge to America's undisputed domination of all sports.

What I'm wondering is why the rest of the world (third worlders and euros) don't stop watching SOCCER since its so boring. Do other countries like boring and hate exciting sports like we have over here?

Do they like soccer because they are all anti-american and associate more masculine, exciting sports we have here with America and hence hate them? Do they like the inferior sport of soccer because we don't care about it and therefore do not dominate it like all other sports?

lmao get off the power-trip mr. america the great, "we will never respect it" "we will always hate soccer"? speak for yourself, not everyone's an ignorant piece of shit.

i was going to continue arguing with you, but i re-read that you find nascar, baseball and football to be exciting. enough said.
:)

ps: were you molested by your soccer coach as a kid? it would explain a lot. dont be angry or afraid, there's places to get help for these things :/

Solaris
10-14-2008, 04:19 PM
Nailed it right on the head. I believe that soccer is the most popular sport in the world because those countries less fortunate than ours can actually afford to play it. All you need is a ball, where as in other more entertaining sports such as football and hockey it requires a lot of gear.

Soccer is also boring because no one ever scores, you can't use your hands (WTF?) and instead of time running out, time is increasing up until 90:00, and then once it hits 90:00 it keeps going because of penalties or something (WTF?). I've played soccer and it's somewhat fun but nowhere near any of the main USA sports.

That's not even true (about the timing). A domestic league game will finish after 90 minutes (maybe an extra few minutes to account for stoppages such as injuries or timewasting) regardless of the score. A cup game will, if level, either finish after 90 minutes and go to a replay (i.e. they play the fixture again at a later date) or it will go to extra time, which is 30 minutes (two periods of 15 minutes) long. If neither team is winning after extra time, only then will it go to penalties.

Football's brilliance is in its simplicity.

Unhinged
10-14-2008, 04:27 PM
bconngemini : EBWF's newest resident ignorant buffoon. Ought to have no problem fitting right in.

ashisforashley
10-14-2008, 04:39 PM
someone earlier said this :"Our attention span is short"

its true, at least in football they have tackling and stopping the game EVERY 3 SECONDS ( yawn ) but some people's attention span isn't long enough to sit through a soccer play or a build up.

ps: im so embarrassed that my country considers driving a car a sport. i apologize on behalf of the U.S.

McShady
10-14-2008, 05:53 PM
That's not even true (about the timing). A domestic league game will finish after 90 minutes (maybe an extra few minutes to account for stoppages such as injuries or timewasting) regardless of the score. A cup game will, if level, either finish after 90 minutes and go to a replay (i.e. they play the fixture again at a later date) or it will go to extra time, which is 30 minutes (two periods of 15 minutes) long. If neither team is winning after extra time, only then will it go to penalties.

Football's brilliance is in its simplicity.

Why do they count up to 90 minutes instead of down?

Unhinged
10-14-2008, 06:01 PM
Why do they count up to 90 minutes instead of down?

what difference does it make? you're just reaching for things to pick out wrong with it now.

and OP is obvious. worst trolling attempt in sports forum ever.

kazuri
10-14-2008, 06:18 PM
Baseball is just as boring as golf if not more.


Its one thing to play those 2, but anyone who watches them and thinks its exciting, lives a slow paced life.

4savo4
10-14-2008, 06:46 PM
Why do they count up to 90 minutes instead of down?

How do we know. It's the way it's been. I Suppose when football first got started going, they didnt have stop watches that went backwards :confused:

Why do they count down in basketball?? Is for that american suspense?

Henkie
10-14-2008, 06:48 PM
Why do they count up to 90 minutes instead of down?

Because they add a couple of minutes to every half for time not actually played, so it's less confusing just to let the clock run a bit longer.

Which brings me to the reason I don't watch a lot of American sports: they constantly stop. It doesn't go for basketball, which I will watch on occasion, but both for American football and baseball, most of the time there's really nothing happening and I find it hard to stay interested during those moments. Soccer has that much less: it's nearly constant action. I'll respect anybody's freedom to like whatever he wants to, aslong as he doesn't bother me with it, but suggesting that American sports are for some reason actually better than soccer is just stupid, imo.

AsHopeDies
10-14-2008, 07:00 PM
Why do they count down in basketball?? Is for that american suspense?

It's actually because each section of the game has a time limit. What kind of stupid ass question is that?

sweet
10-14-2008, 08:15 PM
ps: im so embarrassed that my country considers driving a car a sport. i apologize on behalf of the U.S.

No need to do that. In Europe F1 is huge, then you have the Le Mans, plus WRC and countless others. So don't don't feel the need to apologize. Plus in F1 you actually have to be pretty fit, and they have really physical training to be able to handle the g-forces and heat etc.

4savo4
10-14-2008, 08:25 PM
It's actually because each section of the game has a time limit. What kind of stupid ass question is that?

Do you permanently have a dildo up your arse? Calm down, i was purposely turning round his stupid question.

AsHopeDies
10-14-2008, 08:56 PM
So you admit it was a dumb question but I have a dildo up my ass for pointing that out?

kirchow
10-14-2008, 09:04 PM
Here is the simple truth:

Americans know better while foreigners have nothing but soccer. American have freedom: we can choose between football, baseball, nascar, basketball, hockey, soccer...etc. We have all sports.

The rest of the world don't have a choice, they have soccer and nothing else because they are too poor to afford pads for football, a bat for baseball and a hoop for basketball. Hence soccer because more "popular" because there is nothing else, its "popular" by default and then other countries become acustomed to boring soccer and start hating exciting sports like football. Most foreigner have no idea about the NFL, but if they saw it they would immediately drop soccer and start watching a real sport like NFL football.

Guys like Nick is cool speak for the majority of America. America will never accept soccer. We will forever hate it and insult it, ridicule it whenever it enters the America consciousness.

spoken like a true retard

kirchow
10-14-2008, 09:05 PM
Now that I think about it, I probably should have just bolded the entire post-
:lol:

(this probably doesn't have the same effect considering it's on the next page)

4savo4
10-14-2008, 09:16 PM
So you admit it was a dumb question but I have a dildo up my ass for pointing that out?

No you take everything too seriously. It wasnt a serious question if we wanna do it your way for fucks sake.

SmokedYaNerd
10-14-2008, 09:28 PM
soccer is boring.. plain and simple.

Nick is cool
10-14-2008, 10:28 PM
Wow, this thread fucking sky rocketed.


I dont even know what to argue about now.



ashopedies.. make fun of me or something.. i need to get back into this

kirchow
10-14-2008, 10:39 PM
:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead: :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

bconngemini
10-14-2008, 11:21 PM
Its a fact that soccer is the most boring sport in the world, and every american believes this. We see it and we say it sucks. Its efette, european, late-sipping weenie sport thats for women and children, any man who watches it or plays it will be ridiculed and accused of a lack of masculinity. Soccer is also incredibly boring, the most unwatchable sport ever. We are very very very very bored by soccer. Soccer is dull as dishwater.

bconngemini
10-14-2008, 11:23 PM
spoken like a true retard

Spoken how we all think. Some Americans are nice and humor euros by pretending to be accepting of soccer. But here, we all laugh and ridicule it. Its never on TV, but when it is (only during world cup once every 4 years), we bash it relentlessly and look down upon it. THat's because we have vastly superior sports which foreign countries cannot afford.