What is not a sport????

[xx_kt_xx]

I have heard ppl say dat golf is not a sport, but others say it is!!
I have heard ppl say dat bowling is not a sport, but others say it is!!!

And so on..............

what do u think r nd r not sports?????

[James Bond 007]

Darts isnt a sport, its a pub game.
Anything that is played by fat guys in the back of a pub while half-pissed isnt a sport..... Anyone who disagrees is an idiot.

[Frosty]

Darts isnt a sport, its a pub game.
Anything that is played by fat guys in the back of a pub while half-pissed isnt a sport..... Anyone who disagrees is an idiot.

Fuck you, billiards is awesome. Same with ping-pong.

Otherwise...I agree with you.

[Shymega]

Anything where it takes skill and some sort of abnormal strength is a sport.

Golf, Bowling, Curling ect. are all sports.

Chess, Poker, pool, darts and stuff like that are not sports.

But in todays day and age, people call everything sports.

[AsHopeDies]

Abnormal strength? Golf? Curling? Seriously man, what in the flying fuck are you talking about?

[Number 12]

Abnormal strength? Golf? Curling? Seriously man, what in the flying fuck are you talking about?

:lmao: nuff said.

[4savo4]

Abnormal strength? Golf? Curling? Seriously man, what in the flying fuck are you talking about?

When he says strength he doesnt mean physical. Just as much mental.

[Henkie]

I tend to argue that anything that requires judges to decide who the winner is, is not a sport. Figure-skating and the likes, mainly.

[Roxtar]

I tend to argue that anything that requires judges to decide who the winner is, is not a sport. Figure-skating and the likes, mainly.

I tend to argue that your argument sucks. Boxing ring a bell?

[USB]

I tend to argue that your argument sucks. Boxing ring a bell?

yeah but that can be and usually is won by a knockout, which has nothing to do with the judges

[Deranged Soul]

I tend to argue that anything that requires judges to decide who the winner is, is not a sport. Figure-skating and the likes, mainly.

Just because it doesn't involve two teams competing directly at each other does not mean it's not a sport. That's such a one-sided view on sports. What would you call figure-skating then?

an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc...

That covers a WIDE range of athletic activities. There's not really much room for debate unless you don't understand what the definition of a sport is or you're some kind of "sports elitist."

[Roxtar]

yeah but that can be and usually is won by a knockout, which has nothing to do with the judges

Yeah, thats not true. But it doesn't matter anyway, because the majority of stoppages in boxing aren't actual 10 count KO's, they're TKO's - in which point the referee acts as a judge and stops the fight when he believes one fighter is no longer intelligently defending himself.

10 count KO's and flash KO's (out cold) are actually pretty uncommon. But you probably don't know your asshole from your elbow when it comes to boxing so I don't know why I'm even bothering with this.

Anyway, the point is whether or not there are judges doesn't determine if something is a sport or not. Boxing is decided by judges whether it be the ringside doctor, the corner throwing in the towel, the referee, or the actual judges - and i'm pretty sure we all agree that boxing is definitely a sport.

[Fag Boy]

I tend to argue that anything that requires judges to decide who the winner is, is not a sport. Figure-skating and the likes, mainly.

Thats was EXACTLY what I was going to say. Anything that can be judged and the outcome is not always determined by the players is not a sport, and yes i did think of boxing.

[USB]

Yeah, thats not true. But it doesn't matter anyway, because the majority of stoppages in boxing aren't actual 10 count KO's, they're TKO's - in which point the referee acts as a judge and stops the fight when he believes one fighter is no longer intelligently defending himself.

10 count KO's and flash KO's (out cold) are actually pretty uncommon. But you probably don't know your asshole from your elbow when it comes to boxing so I don't know why I'm even bothering with this.

Anyway, the point is whether or not there are judges doesn't determine if something is a sport or not. Boxing is decided by judges whether it be the ringside doctor, the corner throwing in the towel, the referee, or the actual judges - and i'm pretty sure we all agree that boxing is definitely a sport.

haha grow up you prick

the point i was making was that it doesn't always go to the judges score card every time. Even when when its a TKO there's still been a strong reason for somebody to have to make a decision as to whether or not the boxer is able to continue. For example the boxer has taken a few shots and therefore isn't in a fit state to continue, this is because of their opponents dominance, its not as if nothings happened and someone's trying to work out who was better

[Shymega]

Abnormal strength? Golf? Curling? Seriously man, what in the flying fuck are you talking about?

It takes more than normal strength to swing a golf club, throw a bowling ball clean ice while running, not hit a pool ball, throw a dart ect..

[Roxtar]

haha grow up you prick

the point i was making was that it doesn't always go to the judges score card every time. Even when when its a TKO there's still been a strong reason for somebody to have to make a decision as to whether or not the boxer is able to continue. For example the boxer has taken a few shots and therefore isn't in a fit state to continue, this is because of their opponents dominance, its not as if nothings happened and someone's trying to work out who was better

So you're trying to say that a fight can't go to the scorecards and still be a dominant one-sided performance? Thats why they have unanimous decisions. Ever see a fight get scored (for example) 116-110 on all three scorecards? Thats dominant. Granted sometimes judges make wacky decisions, but its up to the fighter to keep it out of their hands. Heres a hint your asshole is the one on your rear end and your elbow is the one on your arm.

Either way, the point I'm trying to reiterate is that whether or not judges play a part in deciding a winner does not determine whether something is a sport or not - because boxing is definitely a sport.

[tonythetiger]

Pro Eating is not a sport.

[Roxtar]

Pro Eating is not a sport.

Agree, gluttony is definitely not a sport, but this guy is one hell of an athlete! Check this out, he works out like a madman and he is RIPPED.

YouTube - Former(disputed) Hot Dog Eating champion Takeru Kobayashi

[Burningnun]

It takes more than normal strength to swing a golf club,

No it doesn't.

[AsHopeDies]

So yeah, Figure Skating is a competition, not a sport. But these are areas of semantics. There is no way to "win" figure skating, you have to achieve higher numbers based on a judges evaluation. There is a way to "win" a boxing match, and an alternative, judge based outcome if a winner cannot be determined in an allotted amount of time.

The amount of strength required to do something shouldn't make it a sport or keep it from being a sport. Again, being a mover doesn't make you an athlete or moving a sport. Break dancing is not a sport. Interpretive dance is not a sport. And it doesn't take abnormal strength to swing a golf club, roll a ball down a lane, or slide a stone across ice. Find a better definition.

[USB]

So you're trying to say that a fight can't go to the scorecards and still be a dominant one-sided performance? Thats why they have unanimous decisions. Ever see a fight get scored (for example) 116-110 on all three scorecards? Thats dominant. Granted sometimes judges make wacky decisions, but its up to the fighter to keep it out of their hands. Heres a hint your asshole is the one on your rear end and your elbow is the one on your arm.

Either way, the point I'm trying to reiterate is that whether or not judges play a part in deciding a winner does not determine whether something is a sport or not - because boxing is definitely a sport.

jesus christ. You can see the point i am trying to make cant you? You dont have to act like a mouthy little fucker and go off trying to insult me you little twat. I agree with what your saying but my point was that in boxing there is a way for the fighter to win without needing judges unlike something like figure skating, gymnastics or diving where it is solely on the judges score.

Is it really that difficult for you to see what i was trying to get at? or do you need me to say it again?!?!

[Roxtar]

No it doesn't.

You're right, it doesn't take more than normal strength, but it absolutely takes more than normal coordination.

[AsHopeDies]

You're right, it doesn't take more than normal strength, but it absolutely takes more than normal coordination.

So do video games, oil painting, break dancing, playing the piano...what's your fucking point?

[Roxtar]

Is it really that difficult for you to see what i was trying to get at? or do you need me to say it again?!?!

No, I see exactly what you're trying to say but when you make a valid point and then finish it off like this...

For example the boxer has taken a few shots and therefore isn't in a fit state to continue, this is because of their opponents dominance, its not as if nothings happened and someone's trying to work out who was better

...you're implying that in every fight that goes to the cards "nothing happened" and it's a complete toss up?

So do video games, oil painting, break dancing, playing the piano...what's your fucking point?

Hmm...good point. Didn't really consider that.

[USB]

...you're implying that in every fight that goes to the cards "nothing happened" and it's a complete toss up?


well no im not. im implying that there can be times when its a complete toss up or very hard to determine a winner. Where exactly have i said that in EVERY fight that goes to the judges score neither fighter has looked the better boxer

[AsHopeDies]

I think we can collectively come to some kind of agreement on the definition of "sport" even if we don't agree with every activity that falls into it. I'll start:

Sport: An activity that marries the proper mixture of athleticism, endurance, competition, coordination, strength, ability, agility, and mental capacity. The activity must place individuals or teams against each other in a competitive activity that can clearly determine a winner based on the rules of said activity.

If we can agree on that definition, we can see that the arguments always lie in the specifics. That marriage of the mixture of aspects is what leads to the argument.

[4savo4]

Some people arnt half talking shit on this thread.

[USB]

hold on, im gonna get my alevel pe text book. It has the definition in it.

Firstly characteristics of sport:
Sport is...

Competitive
Administered
Skilful
Highly Structured
serious
Tactical and Strategic
Intrinsic but mainly extrinsic

and some definitions:

"Sport is an institutionalized, competitive activity that involves vigorous physical exertion or the use of relatively complex physical skills by individuals whose participation is motivated by a combination of intrinsic and extrinsic factors" (Coakley 1993)

"Physical activities with established rules engaged in by individuals attempting to outperform their competitors" (Wuest, Buscher 1991)

[Shymega]

No it doesn't.

To hit a ball 150 or more yards it does.

Basically I was just saying any type of strength past the threshold. Walking, giving someone a high five, taking a sip of soda is before your threshold. Swinging a golf club, bowling a ball are past a humans threshold.

[AsHopeDies]

and some definitions:

"Sport is an institutionalized, competitive activity that involves vigorous physical exertion or the use of relatively complex physical skills by individuals whose participation is motivated by a combination of intrinsic and extrinsic factors" (Coakley 1993)

"Physical activities with established rules engaged in by individuals attempting to outperform their competitors" (Wuest, Buscher 1991)

Case and point...

These are "some definitions" and they contradict each other. Even if you don't see any direct contradiction, it's obvious that the first definition is much more strict and arguably doesn't leave much room for billiards, bowling, darts, etc. The second definition, on the other hand, leaves room for far more activities to be classified as sports. I've read definitions that have literally spelled out their definition and then said "...like soccer, baseball, football, golf, and fishing." How are fishing and football in the same category?

[4savo4]

hold on, im gonna get my alevel pe text book. It has the definition in it.

Firstly characteristics of sport:
Sport is...

Competitive
Administered
Skilful
Highly Structured
serious
Tactical and Strategic
Intrinsic but mainly extrinsic

and some definitions:

"Sport is an institutionalized, competitive activity that involves vigorous physical exertion or the use of relatively complex physical skills by individuals whose participation is motivated by a combination of intrinsic and extrinsic factors" (Coakley 1993)

"Physical activities with established rules engaged in by individuals attempting to outperform their competitors" (Wuest, Buscher 1991)

Who the fuck do you think you are? Bringing facts into this debate...

[Deranged Soul]

I think we can collectively come to some kind of agreement on the definition of "sport" even if we don't agree with every activity that falls into it. I'll start:

Sport: An activity that marries the proper mixture of athleticism, endurance, competition, coordination, strength, ability, agility, and mental capacity. The activity must place individuals or teams against each other in a competitive activity that can clearly determine a winner based on the rules of said activity.

If we can agree on that definition, we can see that the arguments always lie in the specifics. That marriage of the mixture of aspects is what leads to the argument.

That is only one type of sport, ONE. Team sports are not the only sports out there. Jesus Christ, quit being so closed minded. This whole "it's not a sport, it's a competition" thing is ridiculous. You're just trying to make up your own definition of what a sport is based on your own biased opinion.

[AsHopeDies]

Read the sentence you quoted, perhaps much more slowly this time. It says "must place individuals OR teams against each other". I didn't limit anything to team sports you fucking tool. Get some fucking comprehension asshole before you start slinging insults. Unless of course, you can list for me all of the sports that are void of individuals or teams.

Also, the competition vs sport argument comes from an article I read during the last winter olympics, I didn't even make up the theory, I just happen to agree with it. Lemme guess, you're a cheerleader?

In summary, shut your simple mouth, prick.

[USB]

Who the fuck do you think you are? Bringing facts into this debate...

lol, i know. Somebody HAD to do it, mind you it is pretty amusing seeing people's uneducated opinion being passed off as fact

[pwnag3]

if you can be out of shape and play, then i don't consider it a sport. I consider a sport to pit highly conditioned athletes against one another in a competitive enviroment.

[Deranged Soul]

Read the sentence you quoted, perhaps much more slowly this time. It says "must place individuals OR teams against each other". I didn't limit anything to team sports you fucking tool. Get some fucking comprehension asshole before you start slinging insults. Unless of course, you can list for me all of the sports that are void of individuals or teams.

Also, the competition vs sport argument comes from an article I read during the last winter olympics, I didn't even make up the theory, I just happen to agree with it. Lemme guess, you're a cheerleader?

In summary, shut your simple mouth, prick.

Damn dude, take it easy there. And talk about sling insults here, at least I came off as reasonable. You just seemed a little too hurt when I called you closed minded. Go kick a ball around, it might relieve some tension.

Regardless of my mistake in missing the "or" in your sentence, which I will admit, the whole "competition vs sport argument" is utterly moronic. It's for the "macho guys" who don't want something like figure skating to be in the same category as football, baseball, etc.

[AsHopeDies]

Who the fuck do you think you are? Bringing facts into this debate...

lol, i know. Somebody HAD to do it, mind you it is pretty amusing seeing people's uneducated opinion being passed off as fact

Do you guys not see the contradictions in the two definitions that you posted? I can search for an hour and give you dozens of definitions of the word "sport" and they would all be different and many would contradict each other. I'm sorry, but I just don't see how you can post two contradicting definitions and label them as "fact".

Damn dude, take it easy there. And talk about sling insults here, at least I came off as reasonable. You just seemed a little too hurt when I called you closed minded. Go kick a ball around, it might relieve some tension.

Regardless of my mistake in missing the "or" in your sentence, which I will admit, the whole "competition vs sport argument" is utterly moronic. It's for the "macho guys" who don't want something like figure skating to be in the same category as football, baseball, etc.

Look, I took time to write a post, the entire purpose of which was to say, "ok, we aren't agreeing on what is and isn't a sport, so collectively, let's try to agree on a definition." Then I started with mine and left it open for discussion. The post's purpose was to put aside all the stupid bitching and start a constructive discussion. And then you resort to it by insulting me and bring up bullshit about an argument I posted a few posts before, which I repeat, isn't an argument I came up with, but just one that I, and many others, tend to agree with. Pardon me if I don't view that as "reasonable."

You say that argument is "utterly moronic," but tell me, what is moronic about it? Is it not logical to say there is, or at least should be, a difference between activities that require judges and those that have a clear winner? That's like saying the winner of a car show is the same as the winner of a drag race, or that car shows and drag races should be in the same category. Are beauty pageants a sport now? Dog Shows? Rap battles? Breakdancing competitions? Is Dancing with the Stars a sport? Ballroom dancing?

It's not us who subscribe to the theory that have anything negative to say about figure skating, it's those of you who get upset about it who imply that not calling it a sport is somehow degrading. You think the guys competing for the Nobel prize would get pissed if you told them that what they were doing isn't a sport? The argument is sound, it's logical, it's when people start getting pissy about their activity not being given a certain label that people start throwing around words like 'moronic'. Take a step back, don't take for granted that not being labeled a sport is somehow worse than being labeled a sport, and then tell me the argument is 'moronic'. In my opinion, constricting something as complex and beautiful as figure skating into the same label as something like American Football is what is moronic.

[Deranged Soul]

You say that argument is "utterly moronic," but tell me, what is moronic about it? Is it not logical to say there is, or at least should be, a difference between activities that require judges and those that have a clear winner? That's like saying the winner of a car show is the same as the winner of a drag race, or that car shows and drag races should be in the same category.

Yeah, of course there's a clear difference between the two. However, they are both qualify as sports.


Are beauty pageants a sport now? Dog Shows? Rap battles? Breakdancing competitions? Is Dancing with the Stars a sport? Ballroom dancing?

Most of those don't require any sort of athletic ability and/or competition so they wouldn't be sports. Now breakdancing competitions would then be considered a sport. Not a traditional sport, but it still fits the definition. And depending on the type of dancing, yes I think certain types of dancing can be considered sports.


It's not us who subscribe to the theory that have anything negative to say about figure skating, it's those of you who get upset about it who imply that not calling it a sport is somehow degrading. You think the guys competing for the Nobel prize would get pissed if you told them that what they were doing isn't a sport? The argument is sound, it's logical, it's when people start getting pissy about their activity not being given a certain label that people start throwing around words like 'moronic'. Take a step back, don't take for granted that not being labeled a sport is somehow worse than being labeled a sport, and then tell me the argument is 'moronic'. In my opinion, constricting something as complex and beautiful as figure skating into the same label as something like American Football is what is moronic.

I'm not arguing my point because you insulted one of my supposed 'non-sports.' I'm just sick of people being so closed-minded as what is and isn't a sport.

The range in which something is considered a sport is huge and diverse. I think if you want to argue this, go talk to the International Olympic Committee. They seem to understand the definition of what a sport is if they can group both ice hockey and figure skating under the title of 'sport.' They don't differentiate between 'Olympic Sports' and 'Olympics Competitions.' And I think they know just a little more about sports than you do.

[AsHopeDies]

It's a subjective definition, it's not a matter of knowing more about sports than someone else. And again, I repeat, I read about this delineation, I didn't come up with it. You act like this is my theory to differentiate sport and competition.

I have a different opinion than you do, regardless of how much it makes you feel better about yourself, that doesn't make me closed-minded. Sorry, it just doesn't. You think dancing is a sport and you somehow think a strong argument is that "most of those don't require any sort of athletic ability and/or competition". Nice vague definition, it's all so clear now. They all feature competition and have varying degrees of physical strength requirements, so please, tell me, where do you draw the line between the two? Is a Beauty Pageant with a skill competition a sport and one without a skills competition is not a sport? You say it fits "the definition", what definition? Please show me "the" definition of sport.

By the way, they are called the Olympic Games. ;)

[4savo4]

Competitive
Administered



. Are beauty pageants a sport now? Dog Shows? Rap battles? Breakdancing competitions? Is Dancing with the Stars a sport? Ballroom dancing?


The two highlighted are the key "Facts" in this. No they are not sports although competitive, they are not administered by an association. Like i said in another thread. If it's a has an association, eg F.A, NFL etc.. it's most likely a sport. Rap shows and Beauty pageants do not have it for example.

[AsHopeDies]

The two highlighted are the key "Facts" in this. No they are not sports although competitive, they are not administered by an association. Like i said in another thread. If it's a has an association, eg F.A, NFL etc.. it's most likely a sport. Rap shows and Beauty pageants do not have it for example.

To be fully honest, I think the Association argument is the weakest out of the bunch.

International Pageant Association

Due to the strong growth of beauty pageant programs over the last century, a watchdog agency was developed in the early 1990s. Known as the International Pageant Association (IPA), it is responsible for ensuring quality amongst beauty pageants across all types and regions. They manage the following main programs:

* Code of Conduct
* Prizes
* Promotional Materials
* Judging Standards

If a local beauty pageant is approved by the IPA, it is a safe sign they are honest and perform their contest with integrity.

Is the Westminster Kennel Club an association? Or does it have to have the word "association" in it? Because the National Football League, Major League Soccer, Major League Baseball, etc. don't have the word association in them.

I think it's far more about the activity than it is about it's governing body.

[j.elohim]

This is a pointless debate. There is no one definition for game that exhausts the things we rightly call games, so why should there be one for sport? Who the fuck cares.

[AsHopeDies]

This is a pointless debate. There is no one definition for game that exhausts the things we rightly call games, so why should there be one for sport? Who the fuck cares.

hhmmm....yeah, I now fully support this.

[Deranged Soul]

I have a different opinion than you do, regardless of how much it makes you feel better about yourself, that doesn't make me closed-minded. Sorry, it just doesn't. You think dancing is a sport and you somehow think a strong argument is that "most of those don't require any sort of athletic ability and/or competition". Nice vague definition, it's all so clear now.

It's vague because of what I said earlier: the span of what are considered sports are so diverse and broad that a specific definition wouldn't work.


They all feature competition and have varying degrees of physical strength requirements, so please, tell me, where do you draw the line between the two?

Of course that's a gray area and I don't personally have the credentials to judge that.


Is a Beauty Pageant with a skill competition a sport and one without a skills competition is not a sport? You say it fits "the definition", what definition? Please show me "the" definition of sport.

The definition is purposely open and vague:

"an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc..."

I went ahead and checked various dictionaries and encyclopedias and they all say basically the same thing.


By the way, they are called the Olympic Games. ;)

Are you trying to point out some supposed mistake I made? Was it the mistake of adding an extra 's' in 'Olympics Competitions?' Nice try. ;)

[AsHopeDies]

It's vague because of what I said earlier: the span of what are considered sports are so diverse and broad that a specific definition wouldn't work.

It's vague and it doesn't answer my question. My question was about a certain number of activities, about whether or not they are sports. And your answer centered around "most" of them not requiring athletic ability or competition. Well, they all featured competition and required some level of athletic ability. So your vague definition didn't answer my questions. A) Are they all sports (to which you appear to say no) and (B) if not, then where do you draw the line? Who determines the 'athletic ability' required to make something a sport or not a sport. By all accounts, your definition states that anything that requires an ounce of 'athletic ability' and 'competition' is a sport. So rap battles, DJ battles, dog shows, beauty pageants, breakdancing competitions, etc would all be considered sports by your definition.

Of course that's a gray area and I don't personally have the credentials to judge that.

Don't have the credentials? You've been telling everyone willing to read what is and isn't sport, and now you are pulling back?

The definition is purposely open and vague:

"an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc..."

I went ahead and checked various dictionaries and encyclopedias and they all say basically the same thing.

But you have said that beauty pageants and rap battles aren't sports. They require skill and are of a competitive nature. I'm confused.

Sure, you can say the definitions say "basically" the same thing. But since your dictionary.com definition lists sports, should I go find the other definitions (like your own) that would definitively exclude sports on that list? Namely hunting and fishing?

It sounds to me like you are taking words with broad definitions like games, activities and competitions and replacing them with sports. I don't agree that sport has as broad of a definition as you do.

Are you trying to point out some supposed mistake I made? Was it the mistake of adding an extra 's' in 'Olympics Competitions?' Nice try. ;)

No, I'm addressing the fact that you said they are called the "Olympic Sports" and not the "Olympic Competitions", just letting you know that they, in fact, are called the "Olympic Games"

[Deranged Soul]

It's vague and it doesn't answer my question. My question was about a certain number of activities, about whether or not they are sports. And your answer centered around "most" of them not requiring athletic ability or competition. Well, they all featured competition and required some level of athletic ability. So your vague definition didn't answer my questions. A) Are they all sports (to which you appear to say no) and (B) if not, then where do you draw the line? Who determines the 'athletic ability' required to make something a sport or not a sport. By all accounts, your definition states that anything that requires an ounce of 'athletic ability' and 'competition' is a sport. So rap battles, DJ battles, dog shows, beauty pageants, breakdancing competitions, etc would all be considered sports by your definition.

Breakdancing, yes. But rap battles and DJ battles are not athletic. Beauty pageants are clearly talent shows. And dog shows rarely, if ever, involve humans.

I think you're making this topic way too complicated. I think most people know what is or isn't a sport. People (usually men) only question sports like figure skating or cheerleading because they threaten their "traditional" idea of what a sport is, which seems to be the problem here.


Don't have the credentials? You've been telling everyone willing to read what is and isn't sport, and now you are pulling back?

I'm referring to specifically dance credentials.


But you have said that beauty pageants and rap battles aren't sports. They require skill and are of a competitive nature. I'm confused.

They lack the "athletic activity" aspect to be a sport.


No, I'm addressing the fact that you said they are called the "Olympic Sports" and not the "Olympic Competitions", just letting you know that they, in fact, are called the "Olympic Games"

No, I was attempting to divide the Olympic Games as a whole into "Olympic Sports" and "Olympic Competitions," in compliance with your idea of what a sport is. In other words, the "sports" aspect of the Games, and the "competitions" aspect. You misinterpreted that.

[AsHopeDies]

Breakdancing, yes. But rap battles and DJ battles are not athletic. Beauty pageants are clearly talent shows. And dog shows rarely, if ever, involve humans.

I think you're making this topic way too complicated. I think most people know what is or isn't a sport. People (usually men) only question sports like figure skating or cheerleading because they threaten their "traditional" idea of what a sport is, which seems to be the problem here.

The root of the issue wasn't things like figure skating and cheerleading. The discussion stemmed from arguments about golf etc. So to say it only boils down to things that challenge some sense of masculinity is off base.

I'm referring to specifically dance credentials.

Ok, fair enough.

They lack the "athletic activity" aspect to be a sport.

But the definition you quoted didn't mention ANYTHING about athletic ability. It said it requires skill OR physical prowess. They certainly require some type of skill and some beauty pageants have skill competitions that require physical prowess, and it's arguable that the lunge capacity and breath required for a rap battle is some type of physical prowess.

Even you are having trouble defining 'sport' and sticking to that definition.

No, I was attempting to divide the Olympic Games as a whole into "Olympic Sports" and "Olympic Competitions," in compliance with your idea of what a sport is. In other words, the "sports" aspect of the Games, and the "competitions" aspect. You misinterpreted that.

Where were you attempting to divide the games into sport and competition? Your post said that the olympics understand that you don't separate things in this way, you just refer to them as sports. My point to that, somewhat jokingly, was that they refer to them as games. So they don't call them sports, they choose something with an actual vague definition, like game.

[Deranged Soul]

But the definition you quoted didn't mention ANYTHING about athletic ability. It said it requires skill OR physical prowess. They certainly require some type of skill and some beauty pageants have skill competitions that require physical prowess, and it's arguable that the lunge capacity and breath required for a rap battle is some type of physical prowess.

Even you are having trouble defining 'sport' and sticking to that definition.


Those examples can barely even be considered athletic. In the case of
beauty pageants, that only depends on what the individual chooses for their portion of the talent show. So one person performing an athletic activity as their talent doesn't makes the entire event a sport.


Where were you attempting to divide the games into sport and competition? Your post said that the olympics understand that you don't separate things in this way, you just refer to them as sports. My point to that, somewhat jokingly, was that they refer to them as games. So they don't call them sports, they choose something with an actual vague definition, like game.

The title "Games" just refers to the fact that they a multi-sport event. "Games" is just another way of saying "sports."

[AsHopeDies]

"Games" is just another way of saying "sports."

That's our major hurdle right there.

To me, Battleship is a game, Rugby is a sport. I can't find one connection between the two.

We're arguing semantics here and it's pretty pointless. I choose to differentiate between two things as drastically different as hunting and American Football, you do not. We're never going to agree, so let's just move on.

[Deranged Soul]

That's our major hurdle right there.

To me, Battleship is a game, Rugby is a sport. I can't find one connection between the two.

We're arguing semantics here and it's pretty pointless. I choose to differentiate between two things as drastically different as hunting and American Football, you do not. We're never going to agree, so let's just move on.

I agree, but just let me point out that most, if not all, multi-sport events use the word "Games" in their title. In these cases, Games are just sports and have a separate meaning from a "game" like Battleship. I guess the only connection between the two is their competitive nature.

[aooga12]

swimming, its a survival instinct.

[bconngemini]

JIm ROme: Soccer is not a sport, its a reason to riot.

[dtorre]

Anything with competition is a sport