Piracy does not raise game prices

[appleb]

If games were impossible to pirate, do you think game prices would go down? The truth is, PS3 games are currently impossible to pirate. Then why are PS3 games the same price as 360, when the 360 can be modded to play backups?

Example:

Fallout 3 for PC = $49
Fallout 3 for PS3 = $59
Fallout 3 for 360 = $59

Piracy on the PC >>>>> PS3, so why is the PC game cheaper? Shouldn't it be the other way around?

Someone will argue there are licensing/royalty fees on the PS3/360. But that doesn't explain why PS3 games are the same price as 360.

You could say Fallout is cross platform so they have to be priced the same. Well, look at console exclusive games...

Gears of War 2 = $59
Resistance 2 = $59

I picked those two games because they are console specific with equivalent development requirements. Why are they both the same price when GoW2 is pirateable and Resistance 2 not?
Shouldn't the benefit of boosted sales of Resistance 2 relate to a decrease in cost to the consumer?

And the DS, wtf, those games are dirt cheap despite the fact piracy is extremely easy on that system.

The fact is, piracy has NO bearing on the price of games. Otherwise PS3 games should be cheaper than their 360 equivalents.

[rand0m]

Who said piracy raises the price of games?

[Total Madman]

Who said piracy raises the price of games?

I would like to know this too.

Surely if anything, piracy would more likely lower prices because the publishers are losing money, and just put the games out for cheaper to at least get something for them?

[kazuri]

You cant prove the people who pirate would buy the game if they couldnt pirate it, so its a moot point.

[Knave]

Piracy might however lead to developers choosing not to make a game for PC.

[Molson]

It's irrelevant. Absolutely, fucking, irrelevant. Piracy is not okay. Period. IT'S STEALING, no matter how you look at it. And you FUCK over the companies and devs, especially smaller companies, when you pirate games (or anything). If piracy wasn't a problem, then there wouldn't be shit like DRM (which in turn, fucks over paying customers).

There's no way to justify not paying for a game unless it is a gift. You can't. Look up the word 'steal' in the dictionary, and you will notice that it defines the act downloading a game instead of paying for it.

You cant prove the people who pirate would buy the game if they couldnt pirate it, so its a moot point.

This is the fucking stupidest line ever. Obviously, they want to play the game, so if they have the resources, they would buy it. If they don't have the money, then they don't buy it. Just because you're hungry, doesn't mean you can steal food.

- I can see both sides, but I favour the devs because I have first hand experience in developing a fully featured game, and the amount of time, energy, and 100 hour weeks that go into it deserve the money and respect that the developers rightfully earned. Pirating to get back against a pubilsher like EA is not an excuse, either. Don't like the way they run their business? Don't buy their games.

[PsiRedEye22]

Don't like the way they run their business? Don't buy their games.

We don't. We steal them.

[aooga12]

well now i dunno, since isp's are putting a limit on what he dl it might change a good bit, but who knows how much their talkin'.

[kazuri]

This is the fucking stupidest line ever. Obviously, they want to play the game, so if they have the resources, they would buy it. If they don't have the money, then they don't buy it. Just because you're hungry, doesn't mean you can steal food.

No, youre just stupid as fuck. I know for sure I have watched movies online that I would have never paid to see. There, just proved your dumbass wrong.

Not to mention a couple games from way back when I use to pirate stuff.

[The_Canadian]

Torrenting fucking sucks. Not because it's stealing or whatever shit, it's just that people can't be trusted. Almost EVERYONE sets their upload rates at 1kbs, and you end up downloading at 5kbs and uploading at 100kbs. The honor system doesn't work and I have to endure half assed internet speed until the download is finished (can last up to half a month), and my ISP charges a fee if you download more than 60GB in a month! For a 2GB game, I usually end up uplaoding at least 6-8GB. Honestly, it's a lot easier to just go out and buy it.

[drbahe]

It's irrelevant. Absolutely, fucking, irrelevant. Piracy is not okay. Period. IT'S STEALING, no matter how you look at it. And you FUCK over the companies and devs, especially smaller companies, when you pirate games (or anything). If piracy wasn't a problem, then there wouldn't be shit like DRM (which in turn, fucks over paying customers).

There's no way to justify not paying for a game unless it is a gift. You can't. Look up the word 'steal' in the dictionary, and you will notice that it defines the act downloading a game instead of paying for it.



This is the fucking stupidest line ever. Obviously, they want to play the game, so if they have the resources, they would buy it. If they don't have the money, then they don't buy it. Just because you're hungry, doesn't mean you can steal food.

- I can see both sides, but I favour the devs because I have first hand experience in developing a fully featured game, and the amount of time, energy, and 100 hour weeks that go into it deserve the money and respect that the developers rightfully earned. Pirating to get back against a pubilsher like EA is not an excuse, either. Don't like the way they run their business? Don't buy their games.

you're right, i'll d/l them instead.

[Molson]

No, youre just stupid as fuck. I know for sure I have watched movies online that I would have never paid to see. There, just proved your dumbass wrong.

Not to mention a couple games from way back when I use to pirate stuff.

Fuck, you're stupid. Not worth arguing.



DL all the shit you want. I don't care. Just don't try and make it sound like it's not illegal, cause it is, in every way.

[PsiRedEye22]

Fuck, you're stupid. Not worth arguing.



DL all the shit you want. I don't care. Just don't try and make it sound like it's not illegal, cause it is, in every way.

You're right, it is. but it's terribly convenient. I'm sure you're a saint.

[Lividum]

You wouldn't download a CAR.

Pirating is why console gaming currently has more lure for developers than PC. Why risk losing money on assholes who can't afford a game when they can put it on a currently "safe" platform such as 360 or PS3? Enjoy your dying PC gaming. I'm overstating it slightly, but watch out. DRM exists. What happens next?

[PsiRedEye22]

You wouldn't download a CAR.

Pirating is why console gaming currently has more lure for developers than PC. Why risk losing money on assholes who can't afford a game when they can put it on a currently "safe" platform such as 360 or PS3? Enjoy your dying PC gaming. I'm overstating it slightly, but watch out. DRM exists. What happens next?

You can pirate 360 games too.

[The_Canadian]

You can pirate 360 games too.
Which gets your console banned from Xbox Live

[PsiRedEye22]

Which gets your console banned from Xbox Live

Yeah, and you can't play pirated PC games online. Point?

[Lividum]

You can pirate 360 games too.

Not as readily as PC games.

[PsiRedEye22]

Not as readily as PC games.

That's irrelevant. If you wanted to pirate, you can. It's no different.

[Face Plant]

The thing that will curtail game piracy is when games reach 20g+ as the norm.

People will just go out and buy the game out of frustration unless a great increase in bandwidth happens amongst the telecoms

[Lividum]

That's irrelevant. If you wanted to pirate, you can. It's no different.

Ok. But PC gaming is still hit hardest by piracy.

The thing that will curtail game piracy is when games reach 20g+ as the norm.

People will just go out and buy the game out of frustration unless a great increase in bandwidth happens amongst the telecoms

They're already putting down lines that have a ridiculously huge bandwidth capacity. 8 years ago you couldn't pirate a 4 gb game very well, but now you can download it in a day or two. No reason why it won't catch up to 20 gb files, as they become the norm.

[The_Canadian]

Yeah, and you can't play pirated PC games online. Point?
Yes you can. Sometimes on regular servers, and if not, hamachi

[Farticus]

Private trackers don't take long at all. Matter of fact I think I downloaded fallout3 in 2 hours tops. They even come packed with cracks and keygens. Public torrents suck I strongly advise getting on a private tracker/site. Demonoid is garbage compared to other sites I won't name. I average 1.2mbs dl with the trackers I use. :blahblah:

[BassGuitar25]

I love watching people try and defend stealing. :lol:

[Total Madman]

Maybe I'm just weird, but I like having the physical copy of the game, like the box and manual too.

[Thomson]

Private trackers don't take long at all. Matter of fact I think I downloaded fallout3 in 2 hours tops. They even come packed with cracks and keygens. Public torrents suck I strongly advise getting on a private tracker/site. Demonoid is garbage compared to other sites I won't name. I average 1.2mbs dl with the trackers I use. :blahblah:

same. i dont understand why people use public trackers and get 5k d/l speeds.

i can easily get 600/700k on a private tracker

[dude22]

Maybe I'm just weird, but I like having the physical copy of the game, like the box and manual too.

Same here, homie.

[No0n3]

Maybe I'm just weird, but I like having the physical copy of the game, like the box and manual too.

x2, a 'collector's' edition really makes me want to buy it. I will not buy a game for 50 euros if it's just a dvd cover and disc though, really not worth it.

Something else I love is how I can just pick it up and install and play it anytime I feel like it. But now with the harsh DRM policies I'm pretty tempted to just download games. I mean, I'll probably crack it anyway to get rid of it (I have two brothers, a laptop, and hopefully a new pc sometime soon, and I don't want to use 4/5 installs right away), so why even bother buying the legit copy.

I usually wait for games to go down in price before buying them nowadays, guess I could do that with red alert 3 too. There'll probably be a RA collector's pack out then anyway.

[Meuchelmorder]

Maybe I'm just weird, but I like having the physical copy of the game, like the box and manual too.

Heh, I was at work and mentioned something about buying a CD I wanted, and all my co-workers looked at me like, "OMG, he still pays for music?"

LuLz :lol:

[Mad Fish]

It's irrelevant. Absolutely, fucking, irrelevant. Piracy is not okay. Period. IT'S STEALING, no matter how you look at it. And you FUCK over the companies and devs, especially smaller companies, when you pirate games (or anything). If piracy wasn't a problem, then there wouldn't be shit like DRM (which in turn, fucks over paying customers).

There's no way to justify not paying for a game unless it is a gift. You can't. Look up the word 'steal' in the dictionary, and you will notice that it defines the act downloading a game instead of paying for it.



This is the fucking stupidest line ever. Obviously, they want to play the game, so if they have the resources, they would buy it. If they don't have the money, then they don't buy it. Just because you're hungry, doesn't mean you can steal food.

- I can see both sides, but I favour the devs because I have first hand experience in developing a fully featured game, and the amount of time, energy, and 100 hour weeks that go into it deserve the money and respect that the developers rightfully earned. Pirating to get back against a pubilsher like EA is not an excuse, either. Don't like the way they run their business? Don't buy their games.

Your response really annoys me. first of all, I really dont see how you call it stealing when you are in fact making a copy for yourself, not taking it away from the developer.

and secondly, wanting to play a game doesnt mean a person will buy it if they have the money. I like videogames, but they are no where near worth the price they cost to me. I don't buy videogames, and I would not buy them if I could not just download them. but since I can, I do, it's as simple as that. how does this hurt the developers?

if anything, since such a huge fraction of people playing the games pirated it, it would help the developers, as they get more exposure.

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In short, stop fucking whining.

[MarkohHHH]

Quote:
Originally Posted by PsiRedEye22 View Post
You can pirate 360 games too.
Which gets your console banned from Xbox Live


actually, I've modded an xbox 360 before and played it on xbox live WITH burned games that I downloaded from torrent sites ( COD4, Halo3 ) and it worked fine for months. modded my 360, bought a couple DL DVDs, downloaded a couple games and viola!

Its not hard to do this yourself. just takes alot of research and ya gotta use caution when doing it.

Now I dont do it anymore. My 360 got red ring of death. had to buy a new one. and now I play all games that I BUY.

consoles will always be around, and the price will NEVER change because of pirating. This is because of how much research and labor it takes to actually mod a console. It also voids your warranty of the system. Its just easier to fork over the money like you should; and get the best expirience out of the game/console possible.

yep

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