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Viet Era Marine
09-12-2004, 10:16 AM
Someone stated that the US Gov. was reinstating the draft. Here's the straight poop! Enjoy.

VEM
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Resumption Of Draft Gets Little Support
Miami Herald
July 2, 2004


Ignore all those Internet rumors. Despite the U.S. military's desperate need for more troops, there is no chance that the Bush administration or Congress will resurrect the draft, short of a new Pearl Harbor.
It's just too unpopular politically. Moreover, military experts say that conscription would hurt the quality and morale of the armed forces.

Instead, the Pentagon is examining other options, such as calling up more members of the National Guard and reserves, extending tours of active duty, shifting manpower within divisions, and moving troops from Europe and Asia to meet the urgent needs in Iraq and Afghanistan. In addition, the Army announced Wednesday that it would call up 5,600 former active-duty personnel for another round of service.

"A draft? It's just not going to happen," said Rep. John Kline, R-Minn., a member of the House Armed Services Committee.

Sen. Ben Nelson of Nebraska, the senior Democrat on the Senate Armed Services personnel subcommittee, agreed: "There is very little support in Congress for reinstating the draft."

MISLEADING E-MAIL

Perhaps those comments will help steady the nerves of many Americans apparently rattled by an e-mail that is circulating nationwide. It says that legislation is pending in Congress that would reinstitute the draft for the first time since 1973, starting as early as next spring. It also says that the administration is "quietly trying to get these bills passed now, while the public's attention is on the elections."

There is a kernel of truth to the allegation -- there is a bill pending that would restart the draft. But the Bush administration opposes it, as do Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry and the leadership of both the Democratic and Republican parties in Congress. Everyone remotely in a position to know is quite sure that the bill is going nowhere.

"I don't know anyone in the executive branch of the government who believes that it would be appropriate or necessary to reinstitute the draft," Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said in April.

The bill's primary sponsor is Rep. Charles Rangel, a liberal Democrat from New York who represents Harlem. Even he admitted that his bill won't pass. He said he introduced it to get people to discuss who is doing the fighting in Iraq.

"The burdens of war should be fairly shared across all segments of our society and not fall disproportionately on poor communities as they do now," Rangel said in a written statement Wednesday.

The Selective Service System even posted a message to debunk the new-draft myth on its website, www.sss.gov.

MANPOWER STRETCHED

Fueling fear of a draft is a concern that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have strained military manpower dangerously. The House of Representatives and the Senate have voted this year to increase the number of active-duty personnel.

But the Bush administration opposes a permanent increase, contending that the current spike in active-duty personnel is temporary. Instead, the Pentagon is looking to ease manpower shortages by outsourcing noncombat operations to private contractors, extending tours, and integrating National Guard units and reserves into active-duty forces. Already, the National Guard and reserves make up about 40 percent of U.S. forces in Iraq.

In addition, the Army announced this week that it will call up 5,600 people who recently left the military but still have obligations as reservists. Army officials admitted that these are involuntary recruits, but they said the reservists were aware of the obligation when they signed up.

That is a long way from reviving the draft.

"It ain't going to happen," said Lawrence Korb, a former assistant secretary of defense in the Reagan administration who is now with the Center for American Progress, a liberal Washington think tank.

"It's an urban legend, and urban legends die hard," said Rep. Ed Schrock, R-Va., a member of the House Armed Services Committee.

MGselwonK
09-12-2004, 10:27 AM
Ignore all those Internet rumors


i can guarantee at least one person stopped reading there



but yea, im not really worried about a draft

dead
09-12-2004, 10:35 AM
But savvy draft-watchers, including author, radio personality and attorney Col. Ron Ray, USMCR (Ret.), dispute the “is not getting ready” phrase, suggesting that there is, indeed, evidence indicating a new, heightened urgency within the agency, which these days is independent and no longer falls under the aegis of the Department of Defense. Ray himself had served as a Pentagon official during the Reagan administration.


For sure, “The Selective Service System’s Annual Performance Plan for Fiscal Year 2004,” is a document that leaves the careful reader with anything but the impression of a sleepy agency drilling for a fire it knows will never flare.


By early next year, the government will be test firing a mobilization infrastructure of 56 state headquarters, 442 area offices, and 1,980 local boards.

Funding is in the coffers to kick off a rigorous “Area Office Prototype Exercise,” which will “test the activation process from SSS Lottery input to the issuance of First Armed Forces Examination Orders.”

Ramping up is the “Selective Service System’s High School Registrar Program,” a plan to put volunteer registrars in at least 85 percent of the nation’s high schools – an increase from 65 percent in 1998.

At the head of the busy-work list – a no-nonsense commitment to report to the president by March 31st, 2005 that the system is ready to roll full steam within 75 days, which would clear the decks for a first lottery by June 15th, 2005.
Meanwhile, helping the agency to reach its goals and objectives is a little known provision of the No Child Left Behind Act that requires schools to provide contact information for every student – upon pain of losing federal aid dollars
don't think that it are just internet rumors ;)
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/u_s__draft.html

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/6/24/104815.shtml

Smooth
09-12-2004, 01:15 PM
The backdoor draft is nearly as bad. I know a guy, 46 years old, 3 kids and a wife. Served in the National Guard, retired years ago. He was sent off to Iraq a couple weeks ago. 46 years old with a family, just think of how devastating that would be if he were to be killed.

reigenborn
09-12-2004, 01:22 PM
im only 14 soo im not worried about myself...just the older kids who could be sent off

Karajan
09-12-2004, 01:37 PM
Or how about news straight from the horse's mouth?

http://www.sss.gov

shade
09-12-2004, 03:20 PM
I'm sorry dead, try reading your own article next time.

“Notwithstanding recent stories in the news media and on the Internet, Selective Service is not getting ready to conduct a draft for the U.S. Armed Forces – either with a special skills or regular draft.

“Rather, the Agency remains prepared to manage a draft if and when the President and the Congress so direct. This responsibility has been ongoing since 1980 and is nothing new.

“Further, both the President and the Secretary of Defense have stated on more than one occasion that there is no need for a draft for the War on Terrorism or any likely contingency, such as Iraq.

“Additionally, the Congress has not acted on any proposed legislation to reinstate a draft. Therefore, Selective Service continues to refine its plans to be prepared as is required by law, and to register young men who are ages 18 through 25.”


The selective service's duty and purpose for existence has always been to support the need for a draft. Guess what they were doing in 1995? Getting ready for a draft!

The backdoor draft is nearly as bad. I know a guy, 46 years old, 3 kids and a wife. Served in the National Guard, retired years ago. He was sent off to Iraq a couple weeks ago. 46 years old with a family, just think of how devastating that would be if he were to be killed. I guess I missed the part where he was forced in to the national guard against his will and signed that contract.

Asbestos Crayon
09-13-2004, 12:11 AM
I thought the pentagon said they would not re-instate the draft.

If they do though, I don't have any fear about it. I'm a 29 year old professor and I would honored to serve. I'm sure I'd get to loose a little bit of weight at the same time. I just hope they would realize they would be getting some one that would be more like Ghangus Khan or Sherman and ready to hear some howling.

zamphir66
09-13-2004, 12:27 AM
There must be legislation in Congress for the draft to be reinstated. There is virtually no support for any such action, but a bill was drafted by Charles Rangel, a DEMOCRAT from New York. Why would a liberal New Yorker want to re-introduce the draft? Well, he doesn't. What he wants is the uninformed and undecided voters to catch wind of the bill by rumor, assume that the Repubs. are behind it, and then vote for Kerry. It's called politics, and it really messes with your head.

Rizzla+Racing
09-15-2004, 09:41 PM
im only 14 soo im not worried about myself...just the older kids who could be sent offrememner vietnam lasted for 10 years. so you still have up until your 24. your just going to be in the '2nd wave in NK'