where is gay marraige in the bible?

[fwipit]

the pope said that if there were gay marraige, it would be an attack on society or something like that. but i dont remember having anything about gay marraige in the bible.

[TexasAggie]

It's on page 634...

[YouEnjoyMyself]

The bible is full of a bunch of rules that christians pick and choose from to follow.

[bluesheep]

its somewhere in the back..

[reigenborn]

The bible is full of a bunch of rules that christians pick and choose from to follow.
Lying and murder are some of them.

[Danimal87]

If you're familiar with the Bible and what it says, then its easy to conclude that God's plan for marriage is for one man and one woman to have children.

In the books of Leviticus and Romans, it says that gay sex is wrong. Gay marriage does not agree with God's plan for society to 1. reproduce and 2. have both the support of a father and a mother for every child. Think about it, if there were a substanial amount of gay people back then (like half or something), or now, there would be hardly any people around on this planet. Children would be very confused as to act like a man or a woman, and this would be very detrimental to their upbringing.

This does not mean in any way that God does or anyone else should hate gay people. Homosexuality is a sin like any other sin, and if someone were to say that they should burn in Hell for it, then they should look in the mirror and see what sins they could burn for. But in Christianity, we ask for forgiveness of our sins, and try our best to live as good as we can. Living a life full of good works doesn't get you into heaven, although it's great. Heavenly grace is what does that.

[TexasAggie]

Homosexuals are gay

[puppyroach]

I wonder how many people in here have commited one of the most serious crime, of having sex before marriage? :), gay marriage is another case of people´s narrowmindedness comming to life, and they´re only using the bible as an excuse.

[Dual]

I wonder how many people in here have commited one of the most serious crime, of having sex before marriage? :), gay marriage is another case of people´s narrowmindedness comming to life, and they´re only using the bible as an excuse.

Yeah and people are going to hell cause they eat shellfish. Why? Cause the Bible says so.

People are idiots.

[Chewy]

If you're familiar with the Bible and what it says, then its easy to conclude that God's plan for marriage is for one man and one woman to have children.

In the books of Leviticus and Romans, it says that gay sex is wrong. Gay marriage does not agree with God's plan for society to 1. reproduce and 2. have both the support of a father and a mother for every child. Think about it, if there were a substanial amount of gay people back then (like half or something), or now, there would be hardly any people around on this planet. Children would be very confused as to act like a man or a woman, and this would be very detrimental to their upbringing.

This does not mean in any way that God does or anyone else should hate gay people. Homosexuality is a sin like any other sin, and if someone were to say that they should burn in Hell for it, then they should look in the mirror and see what sins they could burn for. But in Christianity, we ask for forgiveness of our sins, and try our best to live as good as we can. Living a life full of good works doesn't get you into heaven, although it's great. Heavenly grace is what does that.

Leviticus is not the book I'd be quoting if I was going to be talking about the rules of God and his intent for humans to act like.
Kids that cures at their parents should be put to death. (Leviticus 20:9)
According to the book of Leviticus, if a married man and a married women commit adult they both should be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10)
A priests daughter that fornicates is burned to death… because being a slut is bad (Leviticus 21:9)
Not too mention my fav …. If you run off at the mouth and use the Lord’s name in vain guess what?? That’s right you get killed! The whole community of Israel gets to toss rocks at you until your dead. (Leviticus 24:10-16)
Most of the Laws of Moses were pretty horrific, and no longer apply, according to the bible it’s self.

[Danimal87]

Leviticus is not the book I'd be quoting if I was going to be talking about the rules of God and his intent for humans to act like.
Kids that cures at their parents should be put to death. (Leviticus 20:9)
According to the book of Leviticus, if a married man and a married women commit adult they both should be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10)
A priests daughter that fornicates is burned to death… because being a slut is bad (Leviticus 21:9)
Not too mention my fav …. If you run off at the mouth and use the Lord’s name in vain guess what?? That’s right you get killed! The whole community of Israel gets to toss rocks at you until your dead. (Leviticus 24:10-16)
Most of the Laws of Moses were pretty horrific, and no longer apply, according to the bible it’s self.

Looks like someone forgot about a guy name JESUS :lol:. You may have heard somewhere that he died for our sins. Seeing as Moses came before Jesus, people back then had to be punished directly for their sins, because they didn't have the saving grace of Jesus back then. I know, you may think that this whole idea of "salvation" is quaint, but thats how the Bible puts it. This is why they no longer apply, because Jesus took the punishment for our sins. He's referred to as the Lamb of God sometimes, because the lamb was used as a sacrifice. And why didn't you mention Romans? It says there too that homosexuality is bad. So the Old and the New Testament condemn it.

[Chewy]

Looks like someone forgot about a guy name JESUS :lol:. You may have heard somewhere that he died for our sins. Seeing as Moses came before Jesus, people back then had to be punished directly for their sins, because they didn't have the saving grace of Jesus back then. I know, you may think that this whole idea of "salvation" is quaint, but thats how the Bible puts it. This is why they no longer apply, because Jesus took the punishment for our sins. He's referred to as the Lamb of God sometimes, because the lamb was used as a sacrifice. And why didn't you mention Romans? It says there too that homosexuality is bad. So the Old and the New Testament condemn it.
I disputed your source, I made reference to the bible indicating that the laws of Moses don’t apply any more. It was Jesus to why that was the cause and to whom I refers to, I didn’t see as relevant to the issue as it had little to do with your source.
as to Romans I'm assuming that it is to reference (Romans 1:24-32) most bible thumpers gravitate to these versus, basically, I think this is when God tells everyone to do what they feel like doing them gives them hell for doing it. Folks at risk of gods wrath on this one were those that worshiped creation vs. the creator, a big issue for the big guy. Men had sex with women, in an unnatural way… and men lusted after men. Not mention they lied, cheated, hated, insolent, where anti-god, proud, boastful, greedy, envious, murderous, gossiping, unforgiving, fighting, heartless disobedient to their parents and sinful and wicked. Christian translation on this … damn those fags they ruined everything.

[Danimal87]

I disputed your source, I made reference to the bible indicating that the laws of Moses don’t apply any more. It was Jesus to why that was the cause and to whom I refers to, I didn’t see as relevant to the issue as it had little to do with your source.
as to Romans I'm assuming that it is to reference (Romans 1:24-32) most bible thumpers gravitate to these versus, basically, I think this is when God tells everyone to do what they feel like doing them gives them hell for doing it. Folks at risk of gods wrath on this one were those that worshiped creation vs. the creator, a big issue for the big guy. Men had sex with women, in an unnatural way… and men lusted after men. Not mention they lied, cheated, hated, insolent, where anti-god, proud, boastful, greedy, envious, murderous, gossiping, unforgiving, fighting, heartless disobedient to their parents and sinful and wicked. Christian translation on this … damn those fags they ruined everything.
My whole point was that the punishment no longer applies, Chewey. And Jesus is because of that. I'd like to know what your point is with the second paragraph.

[Chewy]

My whole point was that the punishment no longer applies, Chewey. And Jesus is because of that. I'd like to know what your point is with the second paragraph.


I belive you asked about it..

And why didn't you mention Romans? It says there too that homosexuality is bad. So the Old and the New Testament condemn it.
The purpose was that simply there was a whole heap of stuff in there but folks like to focus on one topic ,... homosexuality.

[Danimal87]

I belive you asked about it..

Where did I ask anything?

The purpose was that simply there was a whole heap of stuff in there but folks like to focus on one topic ,... homosexuality.
Please don't tell me that Christians only concentrate on homosexuality as a sin. We pay attention to a lot of other stuff too, give us credit. Anyways, if we're having a discussion on homosexuality, then we're gonna talk about the part of a quote that condemns homosexuality. Just makes sense.

[Chewy]

Where did I ask anything? you asked me why I didn’t mention Romans in my first post, so I covered that ground for you. Unless I miss understood you?


Please don't tell me that Christians only concentrate on homosexuality as a sin. We pay attention to a lot of other stuff too, give us credit.
while the is truth to your statement it also has to admitted that Christians are pretty hung up on it.


Anyways, if we're having a discussion on homosexuality, then we're gonna talk about the part of a quote that condemns homosexuality. Just makes sense. yeah but in fairness I don't here many mention Matthew 7:1-5.
I think people should stick to the big ten master that, then deal with the other stuff.

1. I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

2. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.

3. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them.

4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

5. Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long.

6. Thou shalt not kill.

7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.

8. Thou shalt not steal.

9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor anything that is thy neighbor's.
Until then Christianity in my eyes is used for more hierarchy and little more.

[Danimal87]

you asked me why I didn’t mention Romans in my first post, so I covered that ground for you. Unless I miss understood you?


while the is truth to your statement it also has to admitted that Christians are pretty hung up on it.

yeah but in fairness I don't here many mention Matthew 7:1-5.
I think people should stick to the big ten master that, then deal with the other stuff.

1. I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

2. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.

3. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them.

4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

5. Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long.

6. Thou shalt not kill.

7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.

8. Thou shalt not steal.

9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor anything that is thy neighbor's.
Until then Christianity in my eyes is used for more hierarchy and little more.
Chewey if you read the Bible, then you should know that no one is perfect, we're all sinners, so don't count on anyone mastering any commandment. That doesn't mean we should ignore every other problem in society.

[Chewy]

Chewey if you read the Bible, then you should know that no one is perfect, we're all sinners, so don't count on anyone mastering any commandment. That doesn't mean we should ignore every other problem in society.

BTW I like this if you read the Bible, then you should know Just a hint, if I'm giving you Book, Chapter and Verse and I know where to look for it, I may have some working knowlage of the Bible.

So then lets break it down shall we:

1. I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
I'd say that if Christians are going to church and are not worshiping Satan or Zeus or Kenney G they got this one in the bag.
can we agree on this one?

[Danimal87]

BTW I like this Just a hint, if I'm giving you Book, Chapter and Verse and I know where to look for it, I may have some working knowlage of the Bible.
I didn't suggest that you didn't understand or read the Bible. Too much reading inbetween the lines, Chewey.
So then lets break it down shall we:


I'd say that if Christians are going to church and are not worshiping Satan or Zeus or Kenney G they got this one in the bag.
can we agree on this one?
Unless you want to turn this thread into a Ten Commandments discussion, I don't see where you are going with this. Please don't tell me you want me to confirm that we agree on each commandment, would be a big waste of time. The better question is "Should gays be allowed to marry?" And yes, worshipping Kenny G is bad, especially Kenny G.
:shout:

[Chewy]

Unless you want to turn this thread into a Ten Commandments discussion, I don't see where you are going with this. I'm following up on this statment

That doesn't mean we should ignore every other problem in society.
As it pertains to the Big 10.


Please don't tell me you want me to confirm that we agree on each commandment, would be a big waste of time. I don't think we will agree on them, as it pertains to addressing the issues in society.

[Benedictine]

Chewey if you read the Bible, then you should know that no one is perfect, we're all sinners, so don't count on anyone mastering any commandment. That doesn't mean we should ignore every other problem in society.

My suggestion is that before anyone goes quoting the Bible they learn Greek, then read it.
It all reads much different in the original languages.
Such as the word 'adultery' in the ten commandments. In the original Greek the word used is 'pornos'. Pronounced 'pornas'.
This means basically not to live a 'pornographic' lifestyle. As in "too much of anything, including sex, can be bad for you".
It has nothing to do with marriage or having an affair.
So much of the Bible is completely lost.

[Kazimierz]

My suggestion is that before anyone goes quoting the Bible they learn Greek, then read it.
It all reads much different in the original languages.
Such as the word 'adultery' in the ten commandments. In the original Greek the word used is 'pornos'. Pronounced 'pornas'.
This means basically not to live a 'pornographic' lifestyle. As in "too much of anything, including sex, can be bad for you".
It has nothing to do with marriage or having an affair.
So much of the Bible is completely lost.

And then you have to understand that there are many different versions of the bible, and different translations, manipulated to fit the views of the people running certain churches. You can NOT take this shit literally.

[HotRod]

And then you have to understand that there are many different versions of the bible, and different translations, manipulated to fit the views of the people running certain churches. You can NOT take this shit literally.
.... So.... can you prove your view. There are different versions but those are there to easy the reading of the New King James Version or the KJV.

[HotRod]

My suggestion is that before anyone goes quoting the Bible they learn Greek, then read it.
It all reads much different in the original languages.
Such as the word 'adultery' in the ten commandments. In the original Greek the word used is 'pornos'. Pronounced 'pornas'.
This means basically not to live a 'pornographic' lifestyle. As in "too much of anything, including sex, can be bad for you".
It has nothing to do with marriage or having an affair.
So much of the Bible is completely lost. And how about you. What anti-Christian website did you find this at? Or can you actually prove this through a very reliable source?

[James Bond 007]

Who cares whether or not god thinks gayness is good or bad, the name of this thread is "Where is gay marraige in the bible?" I think what it should be called is "Where is the bible in most peoples life?" and I can tell you that all I would ever open a bible for is if I ran out of toilet paper.
Surely nobody is that stupid they abide by the ridiculous rules in that thing, the biggest example of this is I am pretty sure it doesnt say anywhere in the bible that shagging young boys is allowed but yet alot of catholic preists who are supposed to be closer to god than the rest of us seem to do it quite regular.

PS I am not a gay but I have nothing at all against them and I think people who use the bible to justify their narrowminded redneck opinions of other people for their sexuality need to be given a good kicking.

[HotRod]

Who cares whether or not god thinks gayness is good or bad, the name of this thread is "Where is gay marraige in the bible?" I think what it should be called is "Where is the bible in most peoples life?" and I can tell you that all I would ever open a bible for is if I ran out of toilet paper.
Surely nobody is that stupid they abide by the ridiculous rules in that thing, the biggest example of this is I am pretty sure it doesnt say anywhere in the bible that shagging young boys is allowed but yet alot of catholic preists who are supposed to be closer to god than the rest of us seem to do it quite regular.

PS I am not a gay but I have nothing at all against them and I think people who use the bible to justify their narrowminded redneck opinions of other people for their sexuality need to be given a good kicking. Yet you show your bigotry in your own post. Not everyone against homosexuality is a redneck. Plus the Bible is revered as very well written literature. (Good reading if you will). But then again I guess you wouldn't really know anything about that would you? When you read the Bible, you come to understand what the rules were for and WHEN they were for.

As for Catholic Priest.... I'm sure the good more then plenty outweight the bad. There are more, persay, "good" priest than "bad".
But then you ignore the Pastors of the Protestants. How many of those do you hear are molesting children. They are considered "Men of God" also, so when you combine the number of Priests and Pastors, it becomes a minute number. Would you consider a whole race bad because of the actions of a few?


On a side note: It amazes me what overlyliberals will come up with to try and strip Christianity of any kind of dignity...

[Danimal87]

Who cares whether or not god thinks gayness is good or bad, the name of this thread is "Where is gay marraige in the bible?" I think what it should be called is "Where is the bible in most peoples life?" and I can tell you that all I would ever open a bible for is if I ran out of toilet paper.
Surely nobody is that stupid they abide by the ridiculous rules in that thing, the biggest example of this is I am pretty sure it doesnt say anywhere in the bible that shagging young boys is allowed but yet alot of catholic preists who are supposed to be closer to god than the rest of us seem to do it quite regular.

PS I am not a gay but I have nothing at all against them and I think people who use the bible to justify their narrowminded redneck opinions of other people for their sexuality need to be given a good kicking.

And I think anyone that would use the Bible as toilet paper needs a good ass kicking.

[puppyroach]

And I think anyone that would use the Bible as toilet paper needs a good ass kicking.
Give it up, it´s only litterature, paper you know.

[Devastation]

the pope said that if there were gay marraige, it would be an attack on society or something like that. but i dont remember having anything about gay marraige in the bible.I've never seen anything on the subject of gay marriage in the bible, but in the Pentateuch, God says it is unlawful for a man to lay down with another man.

I don't agree with gay marriage personally, and if I ever saw a gay couple getting married in a church, I would probably vomit, and I believe being gay is a choice, but at the same time, I don't see why the government can't recognize civil unions between them. It's not hurting anyone.

I was torn about this the whole election year, but I finally voted no on the Defense of Marriage act in Kentucky.

I still voted for Bush though.

[FatalAttraction]

If your really read the bible...

it tell you that you shall not condemn sinful acts or u'll go straight to hell.

Also it says pretty much u can't go to the bathroom or you'll go straight to hell.

EDIT: "go to hell, dumbass" um thanks for not leaving a reason or a name.

Everyone is entitled of their own opinion, i didn't flame the religion btw. I just said what i thought. You don't have to agree with anything.

[James Bond 007]

And I think anyone that would use the Bible as toilet paper needs a good ass kicking.
LOL would you be the one to give me a kicking you fraggle?

PS Hotrod when I said redneck views I didnt mean southern America, a redneck is someone who doesnt understand other cultures or sexualities or anything outside his own little world. Also what makes you think I cant read you mong?

[j.elohim]

Being gay... after jesus it doesn't matter. Salvation does not come through works of the law, we are made righteous by grace, through faith. (If you want me to explain the R.C theodicy i will, but don't ask me about calvinism or luther)

Hence.... adhering to the laws in the Pentateuch will not save you. NO ONE can follow all 600 odd laws. The laws are from god and so are perfect... if we could follow all of the laws we would be perfect and wouldn't need to be saved... we aren't so along came Jehebus. Unless you are Jewish you would not even think about some of the laws (concering - ritual purity, no graven images etc) in the OT and so it is stupid to just drag up others.

Plus if you take 5 minutes to think about it, does your all loving, all powerful god really seem the type to give a flying fuck about whether or not people choose to be gay? I know if i were the creator and sustainer of the universe i wouldn't give a shit.


- In case anyone isn't already aware... not only do i not believe in god... but i also hate religion of all forms-

[Ydirre]

No need to be calling each other names here.

Fact is almost all religions don't like gays (I wouldn't even know one that doesn't give a fuck, though there were and are quite some societies where it's accepted), it just all comes down from the beginning as growing religions want as many followers as possible of course. For that you need people to have children, and have them built steady families as you can control those easier.

It's not because it's unnatural or whatever, as many animals don't even pair for life (just mate with others each year) or have a herd of females around them (and fuck all of those), or it's only the leading couple that mates, and homosexuality is also found in animals. So you can skip that argument.

Just think about this, most religious leaders and their followers are not going to admit probably ever that they accept gay marriage, as that would mean they would admit they have been wrong before. As they follow their Gods, and Gods are never wrong, they just can't do that they think.

As church and state should be kept seperate, I think it's very wrong if religious groups would prevent gay couples to have civil unions, or marry for state (or how do you call that in english), as that would be interferring with the fact that everybody should be treated equal by the goverment.

If they don't want to let them marry in church, well so be it, but don't go thinking they are less worthy that you or try to change them (we are all sinners right? So nobody can throw the first rock, a sin is a sin).
Most straight couples I know already don't marry for church anyway, and just a few gays would like to (I live in Holland by the way... The can marry here and adopt children). When you're not religious it doesn't make sense anyway to marry in church, right. Most want and should be able to have the rights that come along with a marriage, it's not just because it's so romantic.

I think there are quite alot of other issues that are way more important anyway...

edit: for the one asking me why I give a crap about your laws/country... (grey rep so I have no idea what it was supposed to be).
Well I think that might be the difference between you and me then? I don't only look to my own country, as should nobody. That would be pretty ignorant and quite stupid don't you think?? Gay people have to fight for their own rights, but I just like to point out they have as much right at equal treatment as everybody, and I also like to tell about how things are going elsewhere, just fyi. If you don't like that, that's your loss.

And as far as I know there is seperation of church and State in all modern countries, even in Amerika's goverment... I surely hope so for you as it has a very good reason to seperate those two.

[Charon]

If you're familiar with the Bible and what it says, then its easy to conclude that God's plan for marriage is for one man and one woman to have children.

In the books of Leviticus and Romans, it says that gay sex is wrong.Hmmmmmmm. So gay sex is wrong but crucifixion is OK? After all wasn't it God's plan for Jesus that he be crucified?

Actually, the Bible only says that those who want to be Bishops or elders of a church have to be husbands of one wife. For the rest of us, harems are OK.
1 Tim 3:2 A Bishop must then be blameless, the husband of one wife..."
Titus1:5-6 similar

Just another instance where our laws prevent us from practising our God given rights.