This is starting to piss me off.

[Chewy]

In now way would I try an argue his actions were condoned, while are those that will, but from crying out loud, what happens on the ice needs to dealt with on the ice.

Crap like this has no place in the courts. Players know the risks they take their chances.


http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1103718797833_34/?hub=Canada

[Awesome Andrew]

I actually have never heard of the story until just now when I read the article. I agree with you Chewy, this needs to be dealt with by the NHL, not the court system. Fights happen all the time in hockey. The players know that they could be injured but they do it anyway.

[SliddY]

I also agree Chewy. The sport is designed for physical contact. A good portion of hockey are fights, it shouldn't be resolved inside a courtroom.

Give the people what they want! :D

[UltimateFIEND78]

Only one word can describe the feeling I have right now. Gay.

[20sack]

It isnt designed for assault and attempt of murder though.

[Ajax]

Chewy you are so right, there is no way he should be charged but the suspension was the right thing to do

[Chewy]

Chewy you are so right, there is no way he should be charged but the suspension was the right thing to do
I agree that a suspension should have been set into play but not the one handed to him. An indefinite suspension was a weak thing to do. Set a date or number of games, or kick him out all together but Bert has had a raw deal on this all along.

What he was wrong, no question, but anyone that has played the knows this kinda stuff happens every so often, just very seldom with the same consequences. What happened to Moore was a fluke, there was no-way of predicting that kin of injury. 80 maybe even 90 players in the NHL may have done the same thing in any given season with no serious injury. Watch the OHL, or the WHL you can double those numbers. I say fine him suspend him but get it over with,.

[TheTechnician]

ban him from hockey....the sport is no better off with him playing.

[Aznor]

Nah I think he deserved what he's getting... his intentions were clear, he stalked Moore then sucker-punched him from behind....

Bertuzzi's punch in the hockey rink left the 25-year-old Moore with facial cuts, fractured vertebrae, a concussion, and doubts about whether he would recover enough to ever play hockey again.

[bluesheep]

yeah the whole Bertuzzi thing is pissin me off now hes facing charges from Moore.Moore needs to grow a dick and play hockey.

[Chewy]

here's the follow up.
http://sports.sympatico.msn.ca/Home/ContentPosting.aspx?feedname=CP-AllSports&newsitemid=31823022

Nah I think he deserved what he's getting... his intentions were clear, he stalked Moore then sucker-punched him from behind.... Did you see the game, Moore and Bert where digging at each other in the boards just prior to Bert smoking him in the mind. Moore knew something was going to happen that…. Everyone on both benches knew it. Hell my brother was sitting in the seats above center ice and he knew it. Colorado was stupid for toss him out like that in that game, knowing there was a “price” on his head in a throw away game the Av’s were winning in a blow out in Vancouver. Sending Moore on the ice was just baiting someone to take a swing at him, Moore was getting cheap and with Bertuzzi clearly trying to draw a penalty. On this one everyone holds some blame, most on Bert, but there are others too.


yeah the whole Bertuzzi thing is pissin me off now hes facing charges from Moore.Moore needs to grow a dick and play hockey. right on the money... first time I got tag teamed and laid out, I begged the ref to call something, the player that took me out with a elbow skated up to me and "if you can't play the game then don't." Best advice I ever got. After the puck dropped I gave him some advice too, I got a game misconduct for it but after that people did railroad me again.

[JASP3R]

What did he do exactly? Did he drop a chair on the dudes head while he was in the stands?

As far as I remember fights have always been in hockey so why would he get into all this trouble?

No I didn't read the whole story but awww well fuck it I'll go read it and then edit this post :shuffle:

EDIT: Oh I read it now. WTF is that bullshit? It was a hockey fight dude. So what someone got injured!!11


Wheres the video of the fight? anyone? :help:

[Chewy]

Maybe someone can post a link to the vid.

[Aznor]

here's the follow up.
http://sports.sympatico.msn.ca/Home/ContentPosting.aspx?feedname=CP-AllSports&newsitemid=31823022

Did you see the game, Moore and Bert where digging at each other in the boards just prior to Bert smoking him in the mind. Moore knew something was going to happen that…. Everyone on both benches knew it. Hell my brother was sitting in the seats above center ice and he knew it. Colorado was stupid for toss him out like that in that game, knowing there was a “price” on his head in a throw away game the Av’s were winning in a blow out in Vancouver. Sending Moore on the ice was just baiting someone to take a swing at him, Moore was getting cheap and with Bertuzzi clearly trying to draw a penalty. On this one everyone holds some blame, most on Bert, but there are others too.


right on the money... first time I got tag teamed and laid out, I begged the ref to call something, the player that took me out with a elbow skated up to me and "if you can't play the game then don't." Best advice I ever got. After the puck dropped I gave him some advice too, I got a game misconduct for it but after that people did railroad me again.

I see what you mean... I didn't watch the full game, only the highlights and the discussion of it on TSN i believe it was...I don't agree with the way he handled himself... if the punch had of been face-to-face then I think it'd be a completely different story. Punching someone from behind then smashing their face into the ice is not normal hockey fighting. I'm sure he's angry, and they had scuffles beforehand, but he didn't handle the situation very well.

If someone can find the video that'd be great, its pretty brutal seeing Moore's neck getting smashed into the face.

[Chewy]

what would be cool is the video that starts from the scuffle in the boards. The one played over and over again just shows Bert coming up behind Moore, with him looking like a neighbors dog taking a shit on your lawn. There is also some suggestion that damage done to Moore’s neck could have been caused by the dog pile not just the punch. I should ask cottonzway he gets hits mitts on all kinds of hockey vids.

[cottonzway]

what would be cool is the video that starts from the scuffle in the boards. The one played over and over again just shows Bert coming up behind Moore, with him looking like a neighbors dog taking a shit on your lawn. There is also some suggestion that damage done to Moore’s neck could have been caused by the dog pile not just the punch. I should ask cottonzway he gets hits mitts on all kinds of hockey vids.

Oh I have it on my computer. Somewhere. LOL If someone can host it I can send it to them. I just noticed it said you are banned bro. Anyone know why?

[Awesome Andrew]

Oh I have it on my computer. Somewhere. LOL If someone can host it I can send it to them. I just noticed it said you are banned bro. Anyone know why?

If you can find it, host the video on www.ezshare.de

I would like to see it. And what did happen to Chewy?

[ps527]

the suspenion was definatly deserved but, where would bertuzzi be right now if moore had not been severley injured (say what you want about bert but imo he had no intention to actually injure him just hurt him). The kinda shit happens a lot and if it hadnt been for all the recent history between the two and the bit of the freak injury, my guess is bert gets a week and a half tops.

[Dudison]

The actions of Bertuzzi went well beyond "just a hockey fight." It wasn't a fight - it was an attack. Laws don't cease to exist inside the confines of a sporting event. You can't sell crack to kids from center ice, why should you be able to commit any other crime?

I don't care what happened on the boards or how Moore was acting or who he laid out the previous time the two teams played. You want to get even with him? Square up and hit him legally. Hell, turn him around and fight him straight up. Maybe Moore deserved a good ass kicking.

But thats not what Bertuzzi did. He skated up behind Moore and socked him as hard as he could while he wasn't looking. And if that weren't enough, he drove him face first into the ice. It was viscious, appalling and criminal. Whether or not it happened during a professional sporting event doesn't change that.

[cottonzway]

Still haven't been able to find it. Dang.

[Chewy]

The actions of Bertuzzi went well beyond "just a hockey fight." It wasn't a fight - it was an attack. Laws don't cease to exist inside the confines of a sporting event. You can't sell crack to kids from center ice, why should you be able to commit any other crime?
When you play highly physical games like hockey there is something called “implied consent”. By just playing that game your allowing others permission to hurt you. It’s assumed that there is the possibility that someone will try and hurt you.




I don't care what happened on the boards or how Moore was acting or who he laid out the previous time the two teams played. You want to get even with him? Square up and hit him legally. Hell, turn him around and fight him straight up. Maybe Moore deserved a good ass kicking. Moore did know something was going to happen hell they put a price on his head. He was a marked man he knew it too. If that was me my head would be on a swivel and I defiantly would not be instigating a response from the biggest guy on the other team.

[Dudison]

When you play highly physical games like hockey there is something called “implied consent”. By just playing that game your allowing others permission to hurt you. It’s assumed that there is the possibility that someone will try and hurt you.

Implied consent regards reasonable violence that is incidental to a sport and its aggressive nature. You're only giving people consent to try to hurt you in an attempted legal play. You aren't giving someone consent to come up behind you and plant a haymaker on the side of your head and then drive your head into the ground.


Moore did know something was going to happen hell they put a price on his head. He was a marked man he knew it too. If that was me my head would be on a swivel and I defiantly would not be instigating a response from the biggest guy on the other team.

That doesn't make it ok. Moore being too stupid to make sure he knew what was coming at him from every angle doesn't make it ok to criminally assault him.

I spent a lot of years playing sports competitively, football and basketball. I understand the physical nature of sports and I understand wanting revenge on someone, I've been in my share of fights on the field. But I also understand that there is a right way to go about getting it and a wrong way. We always had a word for people that weren't good enough to lay someone out with a legal hit, so they resorted to an illegal hit to do it - pussy. We used the same word for people that started fights with blind side sucker punches instead of squaring up and fighting face to face.

[Chewy]

Implied consent regards reasonable violence that is incidental to a sport and its aggressive nature. You're only giving people consent to try to hurt you in an attempted legal play. You aren't giving someone consent to come up behind you and plant a haymaker on the side of your head and then drive your head into the ground.

I stated before though that the actions were wrong in nature; however that is something you risk when you play the game. An example of this is boxing there is a number of accounts in which a boxer has been killed in the ring. Is that then murder, no, the boxer knows the risks. Now if there is an infraction on the rules of conduct then the governing body of that sport should handle it.



That doesn't make it ok. Moore being too stupid to make sure he knew what was coming at him from every angle doesn't make it ok to criminally assault him. No much of a hockey fan are you.... attacks like that are not common place but I'd have to say there is usually one of two controversial hits or fights each year in the NHL. The junior level is far more aggressive that that. Again you know the risks when you step onto the ice. You accept them when accept the pay check for those risks.


I spent a lot of years playing sports competitively, football and basketball. I understand the physical nature of sports and I understand wanting revenge on someone, I've been in my share of fights on the field. But I also understand that there is a right way to go about getting it and a wrong way. We always had a word for people that weren't good enough to lay someone out with a legal hit, so they resorted to an illegal hit to do it - pussy. We used the same word for people that started fights with blind side sucker punches instead of squaring up and fighting face to face.
I'd have to say while Basketball and football are competitive sports and all you can not compare them to hockey. Fact is fighting is allowed in this sport that makes it rather unique. There is something called a Gordie Howe Hat trick , a goal, an assist and a fight. Fighting is an integral part of the game. The difficulty lies in what type of fighting is condoned and where that line is.
It would be nice if always both players would square off and duke it out but that's not always teh case, hense why there is enforcers to protect your players.
Todd did cross that line, however as he used no weapon I don’t see it as a criminal matter, in hockey you frequently lay hard checks on your opponent to inflict a degree damage to them the intent is to impede them, when you fight the intent is to inflict injury. Therefore it’s not assault, however it is poor sportsmanship and deserves to be treated as such in the league.

[Shin_409]

Hockey is naturally violent but damn.

[Senor_Queso]

Don't accuse me of jumping on the Avs' bandwagon just because I'm in Colorado, but he needs prosecution. This wasn't a fight or physical (sp?) contact, this was assault, basically. It's not much of a fight if all that occurs is one guy turning around and another giving him a serious injury. What was it? Like a stress fracture or something?