Who is the greatest QB of all time?

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Peyton Manning
Brett Favre
Johnny Unitas
Terry Bradshaw
Tom Brady
Steve Young
Joe Montana
Dan Marino
John Elway
Other

[Devastation]

Johnny Unitas.

[blahblahblah___]

I screwed up, let me put the actual poll up

[Pfef63]

Joe Montana.

[Xx#1BallerxX]

Definetely Joe Montana, he is untouchable.

[Dual]

Kordell Stewart

[The Inmate]

I dont know man, Dan Marino has alot of good QB records. Can anyone name a reciever he has throw to off the top of your head? I mean Steve Young had Jerry Rice.C'mon, give Marino a break! But the thing that brings Marino down is no Super Bowl Championship. Tough Luck.

[Ace Hippie]

Of QBs I have seen, Joe Montana. I dont think it's fair for me to judge ones I have no knowledge of.

[TheDawgPound72]

If Marino would have won a SB, then Marino. However, he didn't, and that's the reason you play the game, so Montana...

Damnit Dan, why couldn't you just have won one Super Bowl...

[PhyuckYu]

You put Terry Bradshaw on, and left Broadway Joe out?

I voted Unitas.

[2000 civic si]

Joe Montana Hands down, he led the 49ers to 4 super bowl victories. Plus you can never cant him out if your losing.and then he put the worse ass whooping in super bowl history to the Denver Broncos, 55-10.

[soso0901]

John Elway or Joe Montana. Montana had Jerry Rice, which will definatly help a QB out. But Elway was the winningest QB in NFL history, and winning those 2 super bowls in the last 2 years of his carear what like a fairy tale ending.

[Bergs]

You put Terry Bradshaw on, and left Broadway Joe out?

I voted Unitas.

Broadway Joe wasnt a great QB. What he did for football however cannot be measured by statistics. His guarantee plus the delivered victory established the AFL as a legitimate contender and made the AFL-NFL merger possible thus allowing football to exist today as we know it. Super Bowl III was the most important SB in history.

As for the question.

Elway.

[Devastation]

John Elway or Joe Montana.
John Elway sucks. Yes, I'm a Browns fan.

[Nerdcraft]

Even though I'm a Browns fan, I have to go with Elway

[PsiRedEye22]

Donovan McNabb.
(Just kidding, I'm going with Dan Marino, because he is/was the only good player the Dolphins ever had.)

[Mike From The D]

Marino for sure, everyone who dogs him for not having a superbowl ring please remember, Trent Dilfer has a superbowl ring ;)

[STiSchucky]

howd Farvre make the list, i thought great QB's dont throw 4 INT's in a single playoff game??

[wils0646]

howd Farvre make the list, i thought great QB's dont throw 4 INT's in a single playoff game??

But they do win a Super Bowl and also go on to become the first player to win 3 MVP's.

Remember Elway choked with 2 Int and a fumble lost in Super Bowl XXIV. There have been many others.

Marino also played bad in the only Super Bowl that he played in.

I really don't know why Vikings fans even talk about playoffs or Super Bowls because, frankly, they are dwarfed by the Packers in every category since the beginning of the NFL.

[STiSchucky]

im sorry i guess i must move on with my life unlike packer fans and live in the present...whats he done the past 7 years?

[Devastation]

im sorry i guess i must move on with my life unlike packer fans and live in the present...whats he done the past 7 years?
What have the Oakland A's done in the past seven years?

You don't seem to have any problem with Johnny Unitas and Terry Bradshaw being on the poll. What have they done in the past seven years?

Brett Favre is one of the greatest QB's of all time.

[TheTechnician]

im sorry i guess i must move on with my life unlike packer fans and live in the present...whats he done the past 7 years?

http://www.packers.com/team/players/favre_brett/index.phtml?bio=Player+Stats


More than you have.

[Bergs]

Saying Brett Favre is not one of the greats is like saying the sky is green.

[TheTechnician]

brett favre may not be the greatest...but hes AT LEAST top 5...and probably top 3 with Marino and Montana.

Its hard to believe that Favre is the only person to ever win 3 MVP's in NFL history...

[bob991]

"Slinging" Sammy Baugh. Led the league in Touchdowns, Punting, and Interceptions (where he intercepted the ball, not him throwing interceptions) in 1943.

Thats who I was thinking of, but I doubt he was the best . The only reason why he is not talked about more is because not too many people really know about him.

brett favre may not be the greatest...but hes AT LEAST top 5...and probably top 3 with Marino and Montana.

Its hard to believe that Favre is the only person to ever win 3 MVP's in NFL history...

As of now Top 5-10. Maybe. Favrewas a great quarterback, not anymore. A few years after his retirement he will probably be considered one of the top 5 qbs of all time, but not now. Same thing with Peyton Manning also. He is going to be up there as well if he continues to throw for 4500 yards and 30+ tds a season. Tom Brady also, he just wins; just like Joe Montana.

[STiSchucky]

What have the Oakland A's done in the past seven years?

You don't seem to have any problem with Johnny Unitas and Terry Bradshaw being on the poll. What have they done in the past seven years?

Brett Favre is one of the greatest QB's of all time.
whatever oakland a's have to do with favre and his sucky ness....you tell me

[Devastation]

whatever oakland a's have to do with favre and his sucky ness....you tell me
What it has to do with Favre and his greatness is this:

You can't gauge the worth (greatness, suckiness, etc.) of a player, coach or team on just one span of their careers/existence.

[roadygiaco]

Bernie Kosar and his magic side arm is all i got to say

[STiSchucky]

What it has to do with Favre and his greatness is this:

You can't gauge the worth (greatness, suckiness, etc.) of a player, coach or team on just one span of their careers/existence.
one span thats goin on 7 years?so over half of his career he's had just a mediocre career? and at the begining he did great?

anyways as a life long viking fan...of course he sucks ;)

[Devastation]

one span thats goin on 7 years?so over half of his career he's had just a mediocre career? and at the begining he did great?

anyways as a life long viking fan...of course he sucks ;)
He's had some good seasons in those seven years. It's just there are better teams out there than the Packers.

As a lifelong Browns fan...Everybody but the Browns suck.

[Pfef63]

one span thats goin on 7 years?so over half of his career he's had just a mediocre career? and at the begining he did great?

anyways as a life long viking fan...of course he sucks ;)
Mediocre over the last 7 years?

He led the NFL in TD passes a couple seasons back.
30+ TDs in three of the last 4 years
3800+ 5 times since '98
STILL hasn't missed a game in a hell of along time.

[STiSchucky]

yea his record is the only thing thats impressed me.

The only season hes done that was considerably good was the 2001 season, but the rest hes just above avg.

Sure his TD's are in the high 20s to lower 30s but his TD to INT ratio is about 1.8:1 which is really not that good.

Kinda funny how you mention his greatness..but then he just makes up for it with throwing a lot of picks. Just dont see it.

If it wasnt for his MVP's and superbowl...would you consider him an alltime great? If he joined the league in the 98 season and put up the stats from 98-present...would he be recieving all of this hype? 7 seasons is a lot, and to be great you gotta be consistent...which he isnt. 5 of them seasons (90.4 but lets be realistic here), that hes had a qb rating below 90. a few in the 70s...Yea thats really great brett. you surely do own.

[bob991]

If it wasnt for his MVP's and superbowl....

Thats the dumbest thing I've heard all day. What else is there to really guage the greatness of a quarterback?

[STiSchucky]

God like i said many a time...HE WAS GREAT.. WAS. Why hasnt he been able to consistently post 35 tds, 14 INTS, 4500 yards year in year out? BECAUSE EVER SINCE THEN HE SUCKS. His superbowl shouldnt really matter cause you can make a case like Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer being superbowl winning QB's but i admit, Brett Favre led his team there instead of their defense but thats not my point. I just dont think he's the qb he was back in 96-97... and thats why I dont think hes an all time top 5 qb. Some of these QB's comin up these days could post up similar numbers, like Manning and Brady. Manning already has 2 MVP's so if he gets 1 more next year plus a superbowl..Will he pass favre already??

Edit: Im just ashamed to see Favres actually got 4 votes and Brady has 2. Just unreal what a media darling could do to persuade voters to change their opinion on something that happened 7 years ago and done diddley since

[STiSchucky]

Thats the dumbest thing I've heard all day. What else is there to really guage the greatness of a quarterback?
Anyways that was dumber then what i said(wasnt dumb) if youre gonna judge qb's for greatness of superbowl wins...then Youd take Dilfer over Manning or Marino??

[Pfef63]

Anyways that was dumber then what i said(wasnt dumb) if youre gonna judge qb's for greatness of superbowl wins...then Youd take Dilfer over Manning or Marino??
That's where the other half of what you said comes into play.

The "MVP" part...

[wils0646]

yea his record is the only thing thats impressed me.

The only season hes done that was considerably good was the 2001 season, but the rest hes just above avg.

Sure his TD's are in the high 20s to lower 30s but his TD to INT ratio is about 1.8:1 which is really not that good.

Kinda funny how you mention his greatness..but then he just makes up for it with throwing a lot of picks. Just dont see it.

If it wasnt for his MVP's and superbowl...would you consider him an alltime great? If he joined the league in the 98 season and put up the stats from 98-present...would he be recieving all of this hype? 7 seasons is a lot, and to be great you gotta be consistent...which he isnt. 5 of them seasons (90.4 but lets be realistic here), that hes had a qb rating below 90. a few in the 70s...Yea thats really great brett. you surely do own.

Ok, let's compare with the list...I'll go by QB rating like you did...

Dan Marino
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/football/10828553.htm?1c

He had 12 seasons out of 17 with a QB rating below 90. He's so horrible. 1 was sub 80 and 1 was sub 70.

Johnny Unitas
http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=219

He had 14 seasons out of 18 with a QB rating below 90. He sucks. 6 were sub 70.

Terry Bradshaw
http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=31

He had 13 of his 14 seasons with a subpar 90 QB rating. The one with it was only because he played in 1 game. He's horrible too.

Steve Young
http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=252

He was the best of the bunch with 4 seasons under 90. Remember though, he is the QB with the highest QB rating ever in a career.

Joe Montana
http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=154

He had 9 seasons with a QB rating lower than 90.

See my point?

Edit: Just caught this...

God like i said many a time...HE WAS GREAT.. WAS. Why hasnt he been able to consistently post 35 tds, 14 INTS, 4500 yards year in year out? BECAUSE EVER SINCE THEN HE SUCKS.

Ok, alright. Tell me some other QB's that produced 35 TDs , 14 INTS, and 4500 yards year in and year out? :lol:

[STiSchucky]

god forget it. I just think he sucks. Part of it is because Im a viking fan and its in my blood to think that, part of it just thinks...OK he hasnt done crap since 97.

Anyways, Culpepper and Manning will be better overall qb's then Favre. May not win as many prizes(besidse manning)...but id rather have them over favre.

[wils0646]

god forget it. I just think he sucks. Part of it is because Im a viking fan and its in my blood to think that, part of it just thinks...OK he hasnt done crap since 97.

Anyways, Culpepper and Manning will be better overall qb's then Favre. May not win as many prizes(besidse manning)...but id rather have them over favre.

Time will tell. I probably hate Culpepper more than you hate Favre :D. What's with that stupid thing that he does with his arms when he throws a TD pass?

[STiSchucky]

Oh you mean the one he did 2 times in the first 3 minutes of the playoff game? :lol:

yea like the train is rollin or somethin, i dont really approve of it...but i like the guy. Best overall QB in the NFL IMO. Hes got the full package. Great accuracy, great arm, can scramble AWESOME(best in the game), can run decently, hard to tackle, and passes with precision.

If you think of someone whose currently better. Speak up now or forever hold your ground.

[Devastation]

If you think of someone whose currently better. Speak up now or forever hold your ground.
Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Brett Favre. :D

[STiSchucky]

Peyton and Brady are + 30 speed on Madden? well lets not make it into a video game comparrison to their career.

Last i checked, Mannings slow, and bradys not necessarily the best runner.

Now be honest. If the Pats havent won the bowls...would we be talkin Brady as much as we are?

personally i think its Culpepper, manning, brady mcnabb and then a throw in.

please dont hit me

Edit i just read brett favre...Did Sean Salisbury put you up to this :censor:

[Senor_Queso]

The running game a QB makes with his legs is not grounds for calling him best in the NFL. Sure, being able to make plays with your feet does make you a threat, and keeps the defense on their toes, but only if you have a passing game. The backs are there for running the ball. Being able to make yards with a QB is just gravy, and should be (for the most part) disregarded. Speed is not in the job description of the QB.

[STiSchucky]

Nah i never said speed was. Look at Vick, hes a speedy guy...BUT A TERRIBLE QB.

I said Culpeppers the best scrambler in the game and had decent running speed with his size so he can usually leg out a few yards with a defensive player on him.

Scrambler- able to move outta the pocket and still hurt the defense cause they bite it and thats when culpeppers lethal...throwing on the run. He has so much accuracy when he does that. Player thinks hes gonna run it, then itll leave it 1 on 1 and usually hit the first. Culpepper outta the pocket= easily the best QB in the game....and hes still one of the best pocket passers in the game. Pretty good combo if you ask me :insane:

[Led Zep]

John Elway period.

[Devastation]

John Elway period.
John Elway was a hack. Jose Canseco shot him up with steroids and he'll forever in burn in hell.

[Senor_Queso]

Nah i never said speed was. Look at Vick, hes a speedy guy...BUT A TERRIBLE QB.

I said Culpeppers the best scrambler in the game and had decent running speed with his size so he can usually leg out a few yards with a defensive player on him.

Scrambler- able to move outta the pocket and still hurt the defense cause they bite it and thats when culpeppers lethal...throwing on the run. He has so much accuracy when he does that. Player thinks hes gonna run it, then itll leave it 1 on 1 and usually hit the first. Culpepper outta the pocket= easily the best QB in the game....and hes still one of the best pocket passers in the game. Pretty good combo if you ask me :insane:
Look at what you just said, and compare it to this: Oh you mean the one he did 2 times in the first 3 minutes of the playoff game?

yea like the train is rollin or somethin, i dont really approve of it...but i like the guy. Best overall QB in the NFL IMO. Hes got the full package. Great accuracy, great arm, can scramble AWESOME(best in the game), can run decently, hard to tackle, and passes with precision.

If you think of someone whose currently better. Speak up now or forever hold your ground.
Here you talk like Culpepper is a god because of his ability to run. Now you contradict yourself in your last post. And I'm not just typing something and putting your name to it. It's post #42 in this thread.

[STiSchucky]

what the? how do i contradict myself? I said culpeppers got everything. accuracy, strength, size,smartness, ability to read defenses.

anyways point out where i said i didnt think culpepper was the best overall qb in the league

[wils0646]

what the? how do i contradict myself? I said culpeppers got everything. accuracy, strength, size,smartness, ability to read defenses.

anyways point out where i said i didnt think culpepper was the best overall qb in the league

Watch out...without Moss next year, he's not going to have an excellent target. He did pretty well with the other guys, but there's no way he'll put up the same numbers.

[TheTechnician]

God like i said many a time...HE WAS GREAT.. WAS. Why hasnt he been able to consistently post 35 tds, 14 INTS, 4500 yards year in year out? BECAUSE EVER SINCE THEN HE SUCKS.

So 30 TDS 17 ints and 4088 yards is bad to you?? Cuz thats what he did this year.

Edit: AND his QB rating was 92.4 :D :D :D :D

[Senor_Queso]

what the? how do i contradict myself? I said culpeppers got everything. accuracy, strength, size,smartness, ability to read defenses.

anyways point out where i said i didnt think culpepper was the best overall qb in the league
What the hell are you talking about?

[STiSchucky]

dude mexican dude i have no idea what the hell ur tryin to tell me...

im sorry, dc had 39 tds, 4800 yards, 15 ints and a qb rating of 110 :D

dc will be just as good without moss. burrlesons comin into his own

[Senor_Queso]

Nevermind. My head hurts. You aren't making any sense, but maybe it's just because you're a Vikings fan.

[wils0646]

Nevermind. My head hurts. You aren't making any sense, but maybe it's just because you're a Vikings fan.

Man, that can't be very far from the truth :D.

[STiSchucky]

You're a retard.

[TheTechnician]

dude mexican dude i have no idea what the hell ur tryin to tell me...

im sorry, dc had 39 tds, 4800 yards, 15 ints and a qb rating of 110 :D

dc will be just as good without moss. burrlesons comin into his own


you didnt pay very much attention in the games moss didnt play in. you suck and you are probably gay.

[STiSchucky]

someones crabby.


anyways this is dumb.

Favre sucks and everyone knows it

[Bergs]

Shut up dude. I am not a Packers fan or a Vikings fan. The entire NFC can suck it for all I care but to say Favre sucks is retarded. 2 Super Bowl wins, 3 MVPs, consistant performance. His stats this season negate your stupid argument. He is a great.

Culpepper is very very good. He hasnt accomplished anything to be considered a "great". No MVPs, no Superbowls, no records. Favre has all 3 of these. Brady has them, Manning has 2 of them, Marino, Young, Elway, Montana, etc. all have some combination of them if not all. Marino didnt win a Superbowl but he holds/held more passing records than anybody else. Your Johnson/Dilfer argument for Favre is also irrelevant because Favre led the Packers there, he wasnt carried by amazing D and he is a proven performer with 3 MVPs.

"We wouldnt be taking abotu Brady if it wasnt for the Superbowls" is also ridiculous. Its like saying if the guy wasnt great and a proven winner we wouldnt be taking about him. I am a Jets fan and I have to say the guy is incredible. The Patriots undefeated run is just something else to consider "besides the Superbowls."

[wils0646]

someones crabby.


anyways this is dumb.

Favre sucks and everyone knows it

Apparently you only seem to think so. Also, it seems that you're just annoyed by that fact.

[TheTechnician]

i think its kind of funny how he says favre hasnt done shit for the past 6 years....but his team hasnt done shit since they came into existance...

I have a question, are you still going to ride the viking cock when the new owner moves them to LA?????

[STiSchucky]

lol. the old owner wanted them to move to LA, so get your facts straight. Mccombs is just a cheap skate bastard. Thank god hes out.

And look at Favres stats for the past 6 years, breathtaking.

This has nothin to do with what their teams have and havent done.

Look. Favre hasnt done didley squat above avg since 1997, I've said that atleast 5 times. If this was 1997, I'd agree and say ya hes a great QB. But since we wouldn't have known his career would just pan out to mediorcism, then I'd be wrong and would admit it so...

[wils0646]

Look. Favre hasnt done didley squat above avg since 1997, I've said that atleast 5 times. If this was 1997, I'd agree and say ya hes a great QB. But since we wouldn't have known his career would just pan out to mediorcism, then I'd be wrong and would admit it so...

And I proved you wrong by showing similar statistics with the other great QB's. The year he had this year was not mediocrity, far from it. 4,000 yards in a season is great, count that in with 30 TD passes, and it was a great season. The playoffs didn't pan out right, but it was a damn good season. I can at least admit Dante is a great QB.

[Nerdcraft]

lol. the old owner wanted them to move to LA, so get your facts straight. Mccombs is just a cheap skate bastard. Thank god hes out.

And look at Favres stats for the past 6 years, breathtaking.

This has nothin to do with what their teams have and havent done.

Look. Favre hasnt done didley squat above avg since 1997, I've said that atleast 5 times. If this was 1997, I'd agree and say ya hes a great QB. But since we wouldn't have known his career would just pan out to mediorcism, then I'd be wrong and would admit it so...
Let me ask you, do you think Jerry Rice is a great reciever? The last few years he has done even less than Favre, but he is still what some people consider him the best WR of all time. And shut the fuck up about Duante Culpepper and his running skills Donnovan Mcnabb is the best scrambler in the league, Culpepper has a strong arm and decent accuracy.

[Devastation]

Everybody stop flaming each other. This is a sports forum, not E/N.

Bergs, Favre has 1 Super Bowl victory.

However, for his consistency over the years, 3 MVP's and that Super Bowl win, he is one of the greatest QB's of the 1990's, if not all time.

Daunte is also a very good QB, and he will do okay without Moss, not great, but he should still lead his team to the Playoffs, seeing as how the Lions and the Bears are, well, the Lions and the Bears.

[STiSchucky]

Geezes where to startLet me ask you, do you think Jerry Rice is a great reciever? The last few years he has done even less than Favre, but he is still what some people consider him the best WR of all time. And shut the fuck up about Duante Culpepper and his running skills Donnovan Mcnabb is the best scrambler in the league, Culpepper has a strong arm and decent accuracy.
Mcnabb may be FASTER...but he's definately not better at throwing on the run then Culpepper. Do you guys even know what im tryin to tell you when i say this? Flushing Culpepper outta the pocket(the 2 hash marks you should know this) is the last thing you wanna do. If youve seen any viking game, you would know this already. Besidse, Mcnabb passes to their shoelaces. ESPN overrates McNabb so badly. I dont wanna get into that so we won't.

Moss is definately on pace to break all of Jerry Rices records in a lot less seasons. Would that make him the best reciever of all time?90 td's in 6 seasons...Rice is at 200 in 20 some odd seasons? oh well
Apparently you only seem to think so. Also, it seems that you're just annoyed by that fact.
Nah, I love a good debate, especially when it's me against everyone else. I simply just think for the past 7 years, he's been above avg. soo....8-15th maybe hed fit in, in overall qb.

[Bergs]

Everybody stop flaming each other. This is a sports forum, not E/N.

Bergs, Favre has 1 Super Bowl victory.

However, for his consistency over the years, 3 MVP's and that Super Bowl win, he is one of the greatest QB's of the 1990's, if not all time.

Daunte is also a very good QB, and he will do okay without Moss, not great, but he should still lead his team to the Playoffs, seeing as how the Lions and the Bears are, well, the Lions and the Bears.

Yeah I know, my bad, I meant 1 victory, 1 appearance.

[Nerdcraft]

Moss is definately on pace to break all of Jerry Rices records in a lot less seasons. Would that make him the best reciever of all time?90 td's in 6 seasons...Rice is at 200 in 20 some odd seasons? oh well
I didn't ask you to compare Moss to Rice, I simply asked you if you thought since because Jerry Rice has had a few bad seasons does that not take him down from the title of the best, or at least one of the best WR of all time? And have you ever actually seen McNabb scramble? He may not be as fast as Vick, but he is a better scrambler IMO, and I don't even like him. And throwing on the run McNabb is the best

[STiSchucky]

haha. just look at the completion %'s, and get back to me on Mcnabb bein the best.

[TheTechnician]

um guys...neither mcnabb nor cullpepper are the best scrambling QB in the league.....that award goes to Michael Vick.

Did you see cullpepper in the accuracy competition at the pro bowl, LMFAO he made 1 throw....Drew Brees made 7!

[STiSchucky]

um guys...neither mcnabb nor cullpepper are the best scrambling QB in the league.....that award goes to Michael Vick.

Did you see cullpepper in the accuracy competition at the pro bowl, LMFAO he made 1 throw....Drew Brees made 7!
Geez. Do I have to make my self clearer. I just used the word scramble to say "Ok hes good at passing on the run, scrambling, chased, and then making the pass.Nobodies better then him at that...Cept few of the Mcnabb lovers which i dont see how...

So you wanna base Culpeppers accuracy on a stupid meaningless skills competition where the players absolutely dont try at all the whole weekend?

or do you wanna base it on the entire season where culpepper was one of the MANY FEW(think it was 3?) that have completed 70% or more of their passes the entire season...you pick

[Pfef63]

the best scrambler is Steve McNair, people just forget him because he has been hurt. He's strong like McNabb, can avoid sacks, and still throw with accuracy, so Culpepper is not the best scrambler.

[TheTechnician]

id rather base it on who will be a FIRST BALLOT Hall of Famer.

Just face it, cullpepper and the vikings are going nowhere fast....and they will continue to be an underachieving franchise for the existance of the organization.

[STiSchucky]

the best scrambler is Steve McNair, people just forget him because he has been hurt. He's strong like McNabb, can avoid sacks, and still throw with accuracy, so Culpepper is not the best scrambler.
The same mcnair that throws 3 times as less many times as Culpepper?

Yes i admit, culpepper cant win. But he's got hte offense..but that defense is just pathetic. Which is mainly why Mcnabbs been to so many championship games and Culpepper hasnt.

[Pfef63]

McNair is the best all around scrambler

Only him and Randall Cunningham have ever thrown for over 3000 yards and rushed for 400+ yards in three straight seasons. Along with that, his career is almost 60%, and over 60% ever since he hit the "prime'' of his career.

And Culpepper threw the ball 3x more than McNair because Air missed half the season...

[STiSchucky]

He still woulda had more then 100 more attempts and a higher completion %age so i dont know what your point is. Culpeppers career completion is 64.5 to Mcnairs 59 in 54 less games. He's 11 less TD's behind, 5000 in yards, but 18 in picks. So we all know culpepper will be better then Mcnair, case closed.

Thanks Yahoo Sports for your statistical help.

PS: Pfef..i hate to bust it to ya, he had 2847 yards in the first season of what would be 3 3000 400 seasons, not quiet but close..so nope..Btw, culpeppers done it the past 3 years lol, would have 5 3000/400 if it wasnt for his 11 game season in 2001. Keep em comin though.

[Pfef63]

Are you gonna blame McNair for having a running game to not have to throw the ball?

And I'll admit, I was wrong on the completion% thing

edit: teehee i gave STI his second green box

[STiSchucky]

Are you gonna blame McNair for having a running game to not have to throw the ball?

And I'll admit, I was wrong on the completion% thing

edit: teehee i gave STI his second green box
Actually

Minnesota 2002- 6192 rushing yards, 2nd
Minnesota 2003-6294 rushing yards, 1st
Minnesota 2004-6339 rushing yards, 4th

Tennessee 2002-5272 rushing yards, 17th
Tennessee 2003-5501 rushing yards, 8th
Tennessee 2004-5487 rushing yards, 11th

Care to take that back?

Thank you ESPN.com for your great page on team rushing.

[Pfef63]

Alright I officially quit this thread.

This is just embarassing.

[STiSchucky]

Alright I officially quit this thread.

This is just embarassing.
No dont.

Thank LeBron James for the great shoes i just recieved yesterday, they fit and look great.

If you do, we'll forget this ever happened ;)

[TheTechnician]

the only reason you thijnk favre sucks is because you are from minnesota.....if you were from anywhere else and a fan of any other team you would know that he is a great quarterback, and IS A HALL OF FAME FIRST BALLOT LOCK!!!

its sad that even diehard Bears fans who HATE favre can admit that he is one of the best qbs of all-time...but some blowhard idiot who probably just hates favre because of JEALOUSY can not.

[2000 civic si]

the only reason you thijnk favre sucks is because you are from minnesota.....if you were from anywhere else and a fan of any other team you would know that he is a great quarterback, and IS A HALL OF FAME FIRST BALLOT LOCK!!!

its sad that even diehard Bears fans who HATE favre can admit that he is one of the best qbs of all-time...but some blowhard idiot who probably just hates favre because of JEALOUSY can not.


Favre was a awsome QB, and still can be but he needs to get his shit together, he's going through tough times for the past two seasons, being that his family is in crises, but i think this season will probably be a defining moment for him if he dont retire, and sure once he does retire he will get into the hall of fame on the first try.

[TheTechnician]

he didnt even have a bad season last year....he threw 30 TDs and over 4000 yards....he won his division, he sent one of his receivers to the pro bowl, went to the playoffs

Thats not a bad season at all.

[STiSchucky]

the only reason you thijnk favre sucks is because you are from minnesota....

its sad that even diehard Bears fans who HATE favre can admit that he is one of the best qbs of all-time...but some blowhard idiot who probably just hates favre because of JEALOUSY can not.
Nothing gets by you. Oh and the fact that favre has performed shitty in his latest playoff shall i say, appearances?

and you admitting to being a die hard bears fan...damn you got some ballz

[Bergs]

WTF does Favre lastest playoff appearance have to do with him being one of the great QBs? The Vikings under Culpepper havent been doing squat in the playoffs past the 1st round and the Packers beat the Vikings twice in the regular season. It is always easier for an underdog to eventually win than the favorite to consistantly. And you still havent come up with a response to his regular season stats. Does 4000+ yds, 30tds, and a 92 passer rating equal a poor season or even mediocrity? I dont think so.

[TheTechnician]

Nothing gets by you. Oh and the fact that favre has performed shitty in his latest playoff shall i say, appearances?

and you admitting to being a die hard bears fan...damn you got some ballz

i didnt admit to being a diehard bears fan...learn how to read.

Favre has had more playoff games in ONE YEAR than daunte has had in his entire career.

[wils0646]

WTF does Favre lastest playoff appearance have to do with him being one of the great QBs? The Vikings under Culpepper havent been doing squat in the playoffs past the 1st round and the Packers beat the Vikings twice in the regular season. It is always easier for an underdog to eventually win than the favorite to consistantly. And you still havent come up with a response to his regular season stats. Does 4000+ yds, 30tds, and a 92 passer rating equal a poor season or even mediocrity? I dont think so.

Apparently, Favre should consistently put up his 1997 numbers in order to be a great QB :rolleyes:.

I think the Vikings will have a chance at the NFC North if Favre retires. That's a big IF. Favre has always kept the Packers competitive and he definitely is not mediocre, even now.

[STiSchucky]

WTF does Favre lastest playoff appearance have to do with him being one of the great QBs? The Vikings under Culpepper havent been doing squat in the playoffs past the 1st round and the Packers beat the Vikings twice in the regular season. It is always easier for an underdog to eventually win than the favorite to consistantly. And you still havent come up with a response to his regular season stats. Does 4000+ yds, 30tds, and a 92 passer rating equal a poor season or even mediocrity? I dont think so.
SHouldnt the best QB's perform great in the playoffs? Favre certainly hasnt.

Of course DC hasnt done didley...our defense has stunk it up the ass the past 7 years, I dont know what hole youve been in..

Ok wow, 4000, 30 92. Good job Brett, DC has you beat in every one of those. And i didnt say he was even mediocrity, i said he just an above avg QB. Nothin special about his season, i dont know what you guys see in it that is "so great"

[STiSchucky]

Apparently, Favre should consistently put up his 1997 numbers in order to be a great QB :rolleyes:.

I think the Vikings will have a chance at the NFC North if Favre retires. That's a big IF. Favre has always kept the Packers competitive and he definitely is not mediocre, even now.
Yea youre right. Not like the NFC north title mattered last year, we beat you at your own place.

I mean the guy hasnt even been MVP mentioned in the past 7 years and hes all of suddent his great player? :insane:

[TheTechnician]

you must really not understand the game of football if you dont think favre had a great season.. IN FACT he put up PROBOWL caliber number....he deserved to be there over Vick...but anywho.

You say Favre hasnt played great in the playoffs........hes been to two superbowls...and in his prime he was unbeatable at home. So you comparing Favre at the end of his career, so cullpepper in the prime of his career is unfair.


Compare Favres numbers in his prime, to Cullpeppers numbers now, and you will see who is the better quarterback.

Oh yea, Packer SuperBowl Wins = three
Viking Superbowl Wins = ZERO

[wils0646]

Yea youre right. Not like the NFC north title mattered last year, we beat you at your own place.

I mean the guy hasnt even been MVP mentioned in the past 7 years and hes all of suddent his great player? :insane:

Wrong. He was runner up for 2003 MVP.
http://www.packers.com/news/stories/2003/01/01/1/

He was in the running in 2002:
http://www.packers.com/news/stories/2002/12/27/1/

He was third in 2001:
http://www.misterpoll.com/1022660641.html

Stop digging yourself a hole.

[STiSchucky]

you must really not understand the game of football if you dont think favre had a great season.. IN FACT he put up PROBOWL caliber number....he deserved to be there over Vick...but anywho.

You say Favre hasnt played great in the playoffs........hes been to two superbowls...and in his prime he was unbeatable at home. So you comparing Favre at the end of his career, so cullpepper in the prime of his career is unfair.


Compare Favres numbers in his prime, to Cullpeppers numbers now, and you will see who is the better quarterback.

Oh yea, Packer SuperBowl Wins = three
Viking Superbowl Wins = ZERO
lol. could you use your brett favre excusamatic any more?? last i checked, elway and Montana kept winnin at the end of their careers. why hasnt favre?

So favre won 3 superbowls in his career? damn your points are so stupid. Culpeppers having the better prime STAT wise, Favre had it WINNING wise. Id still take Culpepper over Favre, no matter what.

Besides what kind of "all time great" throws 4 picks in a playoff game @ lambeau?

[wils0646]

lol. could you use your brett favre excusamatic any more?? last i checked, elway and Montana kept winnin at the end of their careers. why hasnt favre?

Favre has. He's worst record as a starter has been 8-8...what's your point? If you're saying winning in the playoffs, Montana lost with the Chiefs a few times in the playoffs at the end of his career.

[STiSchucky]

this is startin to become a waste. you guys finally cracked im from minny and hate the packers. so with that, I think favre sucks, no matter what

[wils0646]

this is startin to become a waste. you guys finally cracked im from minny and hate the packers. so with that, I think favre sucks, no matter what

Just wanted to make sure of that. I'm glad Vikings fans just hate him because he's so damn good.

[TheTechnician]

lol. could you use your brett favre excusamatic any more?? last i checked, elway and Montana kept winnin at the end of their careers. why hasnt favre?

So favre won 3 superbowls in his career? damn your points are so stupid. Culpeppers having the better prime STAT wise, Favre had it WINNING wise. Id still take Culpepper over Favre, no matter what.

Besides what kind of "all time great" throws 4 picks in a playoff game @ lambeau?

yea the 49ers thanked montana for his great career by releasing him...and he did nothing with the chiefs. And Elway ONLY won at the end of his career, when he had a great offense and defense with him.

I didnt say favre won 3 superbowls in his career....because he didnt, so YOU are stupid, not to mention you have a tiny penis. Favre did more with less. Cullpepper has Moss.....who has favre ever had??? robert brooks?? antonio freeman??? LMAO. Favre hasnt had a big time receiver until this year with javon walker.

I can forgive Favre for throwing 4 picks....a Lombardi Trophey is worth more to me than a playoff win, and he already got us one of those. Hell, the closest the vikings have come to a superbowl is when they got beat what, 45-0 to the giants a couple years back.

[STiSchucky]

its sad that even diehard Bears fans who HATE favre can admit that he is one of the best qbs of all-time...but some blowhard idiot who probably just hates favre because of JEALOUSY can not.
I can forgive Favre for throwing 4 picks....a Lombardi Trophey is worth more to me than a playoff win, and he already got us one of those. Hell, the closest the vikings have come to a superbowl is when they got beat what, 45-0 to the giants a couple years back.

Oops my apologies Technician. i read the first part wrong. I read it liek you said as a die hard bears fan. Dont act like you got your dick caught in a fan again.

[TheTechnician]

yea i should find something else to bend you over next time.

[STiSchucky]

yea nothing hurts more then back to back superbowl championships won 40 years ago. Good stuff kid.

[TheTechnician]

who are you talking to? lol

[STiSchucky]

my small penis as you would refer. but back there you were like superbowls packers-3 vikes-0 ..

just thought it had to be brung up :angel:

[TheTechnician]

you were talking to your small penis? :wtf:

[Bergs]

SHouldnt the best QB's perform great in the playoffs? Favre certainly hasnt.

Marino, Manning, Mcnabb, your own hero, Elway early on, and besides he won 2 NFC championships and a fucking Superbowl you moron!


Of course DC hasnt done didley...our defense has stunk it up the ass the past 7 years, I dont know what hole youve been in..

And whats been holding the Packers back the past few seasons? Not Favre.


Ok wow, 4000, 30 92. Good job Brett, DC has you beat in every one of those. And i didnt say he was even mediocrity, i said he just an above avg QB. Nothin special about his season, i dont know what you guys see in it that is "so great"

Well wil already owned you on this but I'll add one more thing. Besides for the fact that Favre is at the end of his career and Culpepper is in his prime Favre posted a 92 passer rating this year which is 2 point below Steve Young, one of the games greatest QBs of all-time's career record of 94. At the end of his career he still posts a passer rating on par with Steve Young. In fact his career average is 87.4.

He is 3rd all time in passing yards.
2nd all time in TDs passes.
2nd all time in completions.

[2000 civic si]

this is startin to become a waste. you guys finally cracked im from minny and hate the packers. so with that, I think favre sucks, no matter what


I know your basing that statement as an opinion. But what are you basing it from, Brett Favre in no way sucks, i don't care if you hate the pack or not. He is still feared among some of the Defensive Coordinator's in the NFL. He had a slow start in the beganing of this season, but after a 4 game drought i think, he won like 6 in a row, i stand corrected, but a man of his stature does not suck. He has taken his team to the playoffs year in and year out, and yeah he hasn't won a super bowl since the 90's, but this guy has kept his team contenders. I think this year if he comes back, they are the only team in the NFC to actually contend with the eagles.

[STiSchucky]

Marino, Manning, Mcnabb, your own hero, Elway early on, and besides he won 2 NFC championships and a fucking Superbowl you moron!



And whats been holding the Packers back the past few seasons? Not Favre.



Well wil already owned you on this but I'll add one more thing. Besides for the fact that Favre is at the end of his career and Culpepper is in his prime Favre posted a 92 passer rating this year which is 2 point below Steve Young, one of the games greatest QBs of all-time's career record of 94. At the end of his career he still posts a passer rating on par with Steve Young. In fact his career average is 87.4.

He is 3rd all time in passing yards.
2nd all time in TDs passes.
2nd all time in completions.
Whats been holding the Packers back the last couple of seasons...Not favre??

ARE YOU NUTS!? The guys LOST back to back playoff games @ lambeau, WHILE PLAYIN like shit.

I'll play you at your own game to. You say Favre posted a 90 QB rating, I say its cause the emergence of Javon Walker. You guys say the same thing about why Randy Moss makes Culpeppers stats better, I'll do the same for Walker.(by the way, after throwing only 1/3 of his TD's to Moss, he still missed 5 games :eek: )

Expect them numbers to be broken by Culpepper or Manning. You heard it hear first.

[STiSchucky]

I know your basing that statement as an opinion. But what are you basing it from, Brett Favre in no way sucks, i don't care if you hate the pack or not. He is still feared among some of the Defensive Coordinator's in the NFL. He had a slow start in the beganing of this season, but after a 4 game drought i think, he won like 6 in a row, i stand corrected, but a man of his stature does not suck. He has taken his team to the playoffs year in and year out, and yeah he hasn't won a super bowl since the 90's, but this guy has kept his team contenders. I think this year if he comes back, they are the only team in the NFC to actually contend with the eagles.
lol I'd retract that statement.

Vikings got the best cap situation in the league. They could easily sign some nice players, Donovan Darius, a nice CB, Julian Peterson or your boy Jerimiah Trotter. And be able to KEEP Moss. We'll see what the great Reggie Fowler does now since he has the helm.

[TheTechnician]

you should really stop double posting, its getting annoying. But anywho...

Favre has not held back the Packers....the defense has. Remember 4th and 26??? The Packers would have probably won the superbowl last year if it wasnt for that play. I dont think the emergance of Javon Walker has helped Favre....i think Favre has helped the emergance of Javon Walker. Favre is the kind of guy that makes the people around him play better, Cullpepper is the kind of guy that looks better because of the people around him. When Moss went out...Cullpepper went into hiding. And yea Cullpepper wont even come close to Favre when its all said and done.

Yea Favre hasnt won a superbowl since the 90's....but the Vikings have NEVER won a superbowl....and never will.

Remember the Arizona game last season...CHOKE CHOKE CHOKE CHOKE

[STiSchucky]

I double post cause i dont feel like goin back to copy the quote etc etc.

Yeah culpepper really went into hiding. Did you notice he tossed 4 tds against the Packers(not sayin much but still), the vikes lost @ indy on a last second fg(packers lost by like 20) but hey. YOu take youre old sucky QB in Favre

I'll take my polished QB in Culpepper, and i'll laugh when the packesr dont make the playoffs BECAUSE of Favre, not because of their defense.

Edit: In all honesty...if you had to pick a QB goin into their prime seasons, Culpepper in 05 or Favre in 98? Who do you think was the best OVERALL QB.

[Pfef63]

Favre had a ring in 98
Culpepper still has none.

Done deal.

[STiSchucky]

Great. So the only thing you have on DC that makes Favre better is a superbowl ring? So youd take Dilfer over Culpepper to

[Pfef63]

Great. So the only thing you have on DC that makes Favre better is a superbowl ring? So youd take Dilfer over Culpepper to
Do you wanna count MVPs too?

[YankeesSuck]

Good chance Brady and the Pats could win more superbowls, possible even this upcoming season, he might not be the best now, but in a couple years you never know.

[STiSchucky]

Ok? Well DC woulda been MVP if it wasnt for Mannings fluke season. But this isnt 1997-98.

You enjoy your pitiful season the packers are gonna have this year,and i'll enjoy the great season the Vikes will have. Hey, I guess theres always Tim Couch once Favre retires

[Pfef63]

Tim Couch was released

And a season like that was bound to happen with the "no hands" rule. 49 TDs is a real fluke :insane:

edit: ha you think im a packers fan. im not biased and im saying all this.

[STiSchucky]

Oh yeah nvm, i get you messed up with the 2 other packer fans. I apologize dearly pfef...for being called a packer fan when youre not, is similar to a slap in the face.

[Pfef63]

Its all good cracka

[STiSchucky]

No problem son. Did you tell King James thanks for coming out with a great shoe, yet?

[Pfef63]

I sent it out today with that passionfruit drink he asked for.

[wils0646]

Ok? Well DC woulda been MVP if it wasnt for Mannings fluke season. But this isnt 1997-98.

You enjoy your pitiful season the packers are gonna have this year,and i'll enjoy the great season the Vikes will have. Hey, I guess theres always Tim Couch once Favre retires

A great season? Jesus, how do you even come up with this bullshit. Yea, I'm sure with the offensive weapons the Packers have, they'll have a pitiful year :rolleyes:. Packers 3 straight NFC North championships>Vikings choking all 3 years. The teams aren't going to change much in the offseason. Just get ready for another lost division next year.

[STiSchucky]

teams wont change much, cept the vikes have 36 mill in cap space. Just remember what you said when youre lookin up at the vikes all season.

yeah, Green Bays fire offense. them running backs really know how to hold onto the ball to.

[wils0646]

teams wont change much, cept the vikes have 36 mill in cap space. Just remember what you said when youre lookin up at the vikes all season.

yeah, Green Bays fire offense. them running backs really know how to hold onto the ball to.

Yea, the GB Packers lost 10 fumbles all season. The Vikings lost 9...BIG difference there. I actually want to bet you that the Packers will win the NFC North next year. Just think, this year the Packers were 1-4 and the Vikings were 4-1 and they still managed to blow it. What happened in 2003? I just can't remember, I think the Vikings did something at the end of the season? Oh yea, completely blow a 6-0 start to end 9-7. Expect more of the same with Coach Tice.

[2000 civic si]

lol I'd retract that statement.

Vikings got the best cap situation in the league. They could easily sign some nice players, Donovan Darius, a nice CB, Julian Peterson or your boy Jerimiah Trotter. And be able to KEEP Moss. We'll see what the great Reggie Fowler does now since he has the helm.


The vikes may have a better cap than the Eagles,We have about 20 million, but it dont mean shit if you don't know how to spend it. Then you say that you might take J. Trotter, are you stupid, you think that Trotter would go to a team that is not even considered a contender with the eagles, let alone he has a better chance winning a super bowl with the eagles than the vikes. People like you think free agency solves everything, In some case's it does, but if your willing to spend money, try to get some fresh players out of the draft. You talk alot of shit for a team that went 8-8 in the playoffs, and then last year got beat by the cardinals, wow your team is amazing. I'd take the pack over the vikes any day. Culpepper is not close to what brett has achieved or done. Rings count, records dont.

[TheTechnician]

Culpepper is not close to what brett has achieved or done. Rings count, records dont.

And Favre has both of those...Cullpepper has NOTHING. Favre probably has more MVP's than cullpepper has playoff appearances.

[STiSchucky]

lol is all i gotta say. anyways wils i take you up on your bet. what do you wanna bet on?

[wils0646]

lol is all i gotta say. anyways wils i take you up on your bet. what do you wanna bet on?

The Packers winning the NFC North again.

[Mr. Ram]

Even though, I rarely watch the NFL a few years ago, I saw a special about Brett Favre on foxsports it basically just dealt with his life and, I gained alot respect for him what a tough motherfucker.

[1iNcHWoNDeR]

If Marino would have won a SB, then Marino. However, he didn't, and that's the reason you play the game, so Montana...

Damnit Dan, why couldn't you just have won one Super Bowl...

Because the Dolphins suck. He would have had more though.

[STiSchucky]

The Packers winning the NFC North again.
Well durr. whats the bet? ill prolly forget about it though so

[wils0646]

Well durr. whats the bet? ill prolly forget about it though so

Nothing, it's stupid anyways. If anyone remembers this thread next year, it'll be surprising, so let's drop it.

[SIK_WIT_IT]

i didnt read any posts just skipped to the last one to say JOE MONTANA.

[wils0646]

i didnt read any posts just skipped to the last one to say JOE MONTANA.

That's who I voted for. He was the model for success in the NFL. No guy was better at coming back and winning than Joe Montana.