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killer scott
10-09-2003, 10:20 PM
I dont think that there is anything wrong with downloading music for free off of kazaa or whatever it is you use... i mean... i have bought many cds that i wouldve never bought if it werent for kazaa... I download music that i have heard of, I listen to it then if i like it it makes me wanna go out and buy the cd... I think that those shits should pay kazaa. (those shits= music industry... people who are sueing (sp whocares))
Have you heard about that guy who is like 90 years old and got sued for having some of his old favorite songs downloaded onto his computer? perfect example of how shitty this shit is!
Red300ZX
10-10-2003, 11:42 AM
It's not wrong. The recording industries are the crooks here.
Read this:
http://www.negativland.com/minidis.html
EDIT:Changed "Industry" to "Industries"
droogsteve
10-10-2003, 12:14 PM
Yeah, it's funny. In all the anti-file sharing articles that you read they always say that if you download you're screwing your favorite artists. Meanwhile the record companies are screwing both the artists AND the fans, and pretty much turning them against each other while they get richer. I support my favorite bands by going to plenty of concerts, and I encourage others to do the same.
bismarksinker
10-10-2003, 02:39 PM
yes it is bad. and i wont go into a rant or rave on why because most of you have heard it all before, especially droog :)
killer scott
10-10-2003, 07:52 PM
if your gonna post something... then dont post something like that! that contributed nothing to this thread... u should give us your opinion why it is "bad"... or else dont post at all!
I dont see how they can get pissed at all when everyone in the music biz is rich as it is and will remain rich whether you download songs or not...
Anti-Hero
10-10-2003, 07:56 PM
Don't bother. He'll just pull lies out of his ass.
and anyway, sharing is good, because it opens people up to new music and makes people search for that one record that they can't find on the net.
killer scott
10-10-2003, 08:54 PM
i agree
I definitely agree, there really isn't anything wrong with filesharing. Funny thing I heard the other day, I think you'll all like this, Kazaa sued the music industry for sharing unauthorized versions of songs on the internet. The hypocrisy of the music industry is really sickening. "Don't share files, you're screwing artists!" but they share corrupted files. And you're right, they are also screwing the artists and us as buyers of that music.
Why should burning CD's be illegal? How is that any different than copying songs onto a casette tape? I understand that you're copying files on a CD, but all you're really copying is the music, just like cassettes. So it doesn't make any sense to ban filesharing and CD burning.
chris_78660
10-11-2003, 01:17 AM
do a forum search for "kazaa" to see how i feel in this subject....i'm tired of repeating myself
ypsidan04
10-11-2003, 10:48 AM
Originally posted by droogsteve
AND the fans....I support my favorite bands by going to plenty of concerts, and I encourage others to do the same.
I don't think they're screwing the fans, especially after Universal says they're gonna lower the prices on their CDs. Maybe other labels will do the same thing to compete *hopes so*. I support my favorites by buying CDs - even if it costs 20 bucks inc. tax to do so - thats just tough luck.
I'll post this again: Downloading isn't right.
http://www.pro-musicorg.de/video/ifpi_15_05_03_long_256k.wmv
Originally posted by Ciid
I dont see how they can get pissed at all when everyone in the music biz is rich as it is and will remain rich whether you download songs or not...
Thats true, they will be rich either way. But don't you want your favorite groups to have as much money as they can?
So are you really smart guys, or not?
killer scott
10-11-2003, 12:39 PM
I'll post this again: Downloading isn't right.
http://www.pro-musicorg.de/video/ifpi_15_05_03_long_256k.wmv
how dare you post that... like i said... i download music and then if i like it i go buy the cd... i think that is what alot of people do... there are many cds i wouldnt have bought if i hadnt downloaded the music on my computer, so stfu
droogsteve
10-11-2003, 01:15 PM
You're such an asshole, Sid. Posting a link made by the record companies that are robbing you. I should have known that the link would have those Russian skanks that you worship on it.
Thats true, they will be rich either way. But don't you want your favorite groups to have as much money as they can?
NO. BY ALL MEANS NOT IN ANY WAY.
Look, when fucking music artists get more money for selling songs on CDs, doctors get payed less for saving less, the police are underpayed in comparison for keeping the law underheld, and poverty in 3rd world country persists. Hell, if it was, 'Don't steal food, because that food would have gone to a kid who's starving' then maybe I wouldn't download music. But the fact that downloading is screwing ANYONE is complete and total bull shit. I mean, come on dude... 'Dont you want your favorite groups to have as much money as they can?' Thats probably the stupidest thing I've heard all year. We all know that celebrities get WAAAAAAAAAY to much cash, and hell, I'd be fine with that if 26 000 starving children didn't die off daily because the rich and famous have more than enough money to feed them and still call them selves multi-millionaires and be praised by people...
So just no. N.O. I find it disturbing to see that video where they all try and explain that you are 'stealing' from them, when they sit on their asses and write music, play it, record it, and make people happy... I dont care how happy it makes people, I don't care how much you think music is important... Its not. Hell, if an artists carrier dies from people downloading music, I'll go ahead and watch them get a real job that helps the world a little more. I know music helps the world, and fills it with joy, but at the same time, how can you spread joy when you've got all the money in the world like no one else?
bismarksinker
10-11-2003, 02:40 PM
Originally posted by chris_78660
do a forum search for "kazaa" to see how i feel in this subject....i'm tired of repeating myself
thank you for doing the same thing as me chris, i too am tired of repeating myself on this well beaten subject.
ypsidan04
10-11-2003, 02:45 PM
Ciid - The world isn't perfect, and will never be. Some people are more fortunate than others, and you can feel sorry for the less-fortunate, but don't blame music singers (or athletes for that matter) just because they maybe get more than they deserve. You can't help everyone, and I think that these singers deserve every dollar. Although I would say that some deserve it more than others.
Droog - "that you worship" - If you say so.
bismarksinker
10-11-2003, 02:50 PM
okay ok, ill reply to some extent.
you say that file sharing promotes the expanding of musical horizons. well, i say, go read a fucking book. like metal edge. or modern drummer. or revolver. or in ypsid case, i love tatu mag. (no offense)
and i really dont understand the connection on the post that involves filesharing and third world countries, perhaps you could clarify that for me?
i really have to say that as a musical artist who writes his own songs, i am against file sharing because i beleive i should be paid for my musical talent. i dont want some retard without an ounce of musical knowledge in his head sitting behind his computer and downloading my music. if he pays for it though, thats another thing. i have around 500 cd's sitting next to me in my cd tower over here, and all of them have been paid for in full! i take pride in displaying them, and i love owning all my own cd's. i dont even have a file sharing program on my computer, i even stopped downloading porn after a talk with droog. now i either rent a movie or watch free previews here cool (www.89.com)
BigMattTheHobo
10-11-2003, 02:50 PM
as long as artists keep coming out with shit they call records with barely one good song each cd then i will continue to download. simple as that for me.
Anti-Hero
10-11-2003, 03:04 PM
you sir, are a liar
Originally posted by bismarksinker
okay ok, ill reply to some extent.
you say that file sharing promotes the expanding of musical horizons. well, i say, go read a fucking book. like metal edge. or modern drummer. or revolver. or in ypsid case, i love tatu mag. (no offense)
and i really dont understand the connection on the post that involves filesharing and third world countries, perhaps you could clarify that for me?
i really have to say that as a musical artist who writes his own songs, i am against file sharing because i beleive i should be paid for my musical talent. i dont want some retard without an ounce of musical knowledge in his head sitting behind his computer and downloading my music. if he pays for it though, thats another thing. i have around 500 cd's sitting next to me in my cd tower over here, and all of them have been paid for in full! i take pride in displaying them, and i love owning all my own cd's. i dont even have a file sharing program on my computer, i even stopped downloading porn after a talk with droog. now i either rent a movie or watch free previews here cool (www.89.com)
Originally posted by bismarksinker
yes it is bad. and i wont go into a rant or rave on why because most of you have heard it all before, especially droog :)
quit being a post whore. reply, or don't.
ypsidan04
10-11-2003, 03:12 PM
Originally posted by bismarksinker
or in ypsid case, i love tatu mag. (no offense)
i have around 500 cd's sitting next to me in my cd tower over here, and all of them have been paid for in full! i take pride in displaying them, and i love owning all my own cd's.
1. None taken. I wish there was one - they need more exposure. There might be one in Russia, or Japan, or the UK.
2. I feel the same way. It does feel good to own your CDs and know that you paid for them all - but I only have a dozen (and only 5 of those are albums - I'll never buy a mix CD again). But I have a list of another dozen CDs that I'm going to get. There's also two CDs that don't exist yet, but will go on the list as soon as they are released.
Originally posted by Anti-Hero
quit being a post whore. reply, or don't.
The first one is a reply.
Originally posted by BigMattTheHobo
as long as artists keep coming out with shit they call records with barely one good song each cd then i will continue to download. simple as that for me.
One good song? Thats a very small minority. The first album I ever bought (earlier this year) has 14 songs, and I like everyone of them.
killer scott
10-11-2003, 03:25 PM
Originally posted by bismarksinker
thank you for doing the same thing as me chris, i too am tired of repeating myself on this well beaten subject.
then get the fuck out shithead! ha ha... i know you've posted since but what was the point of that post?
well anyways... another point... sure people make a living selling cds... but it isnt the artist! and anyways if the artist is ligit and not in it for the money they should be happy with the money they get... they already make more then most people and i think that they should be happy even if they didnt if they're doing what they love...
And im in a band... i dont give a fuck how much money we make either... I do it because that is what i like to do... if we make good money thats an added bonus... I would love to have people sharing our songs, and i think any real "artist" should
bismarksinker
10-11-2003, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by BigMattTheHobo
as long as artists keep coming out with shit they call records with barely one good song each cd then i will continue to download. simple as that for me.
your gunna have to stop listening to those crappy untalented ppl (lol, j/k, no offense)
but like i said, read up some before you go spending 20 bucks, its just like going to see a movie, you dont go see gigli because you heard its going to suck.
i agree spending 20 bucks is alot of money, its almost a small investment. and i also tend to think that cds last a lot longer thatn mp3 files on your computer, i consider my cd collection an investment, not only for my but for future generations, i know that when my mom dies, i hope i inheret her lps and vinyl collection!.
chris_78660
10-11-2003, 03:46 PM
we might as well discuss abortion or religion...
heres what we pirates will do to all of you wistle blowing pussies (http://www.consumptionjunction.com/content/detail.asp?ID=27258&type=1&page=1&fav=0)
why did I bring up the 3rd world vs. Celebrities? because they are basically the two extremes of society, and one of them can help the other very easily, but most celebrities are too stubborn.
killer scott
10-11-2003, 03:56 PM
Originally posted by chris_78660
we might as well discuss abortion or religion...
heres what we pirates will do to all of you wistle blowing pussies (http://www.consumptionjunction.com/content/detail.asp?ID=27258&type=1&page=1&fav=0)
that was the dumbest shit i have ever seen!
Oh and for christs sake, If I had a million dollars, I probably wouldnt be as happy as I am now if I spent it on myself. Hell, I'm not exactly rich at all and I still adopt kids, help out with charities, and am a member of a few peace organisations.
Oh and for christs sake, would you rather spend 20 bucks on a CD or spend it not for yourself, but for the good of others or something along those lines - especially when you can download that whole album anyway.
Lets look at it this way. Say you buy a new CD every couple months... thats over 100 dollars a year, and I know most people dont spend that much on CDs, its just an example. Now, you can download all of those songs from all of those CDs for free, and spend 100 dollars on something better...
And lets face it, this won't hurt the artists 'salary' that they 'earn'. Hell, people still buy CDs anyway... I still buy CDs too if I really like the music..
Most of the best musicians are very underground and its hard to find their CDs, nor do they make nearly as much cash as some others do.
All I'm really trying to say is not hostile in any way towards anyone here. Think about this: If all the bands were payed 10 percent less, movie's had a tiny bit lower budget, and overall the rich in the famous were just a little less rich, and all that money that they could have had but dont went to solving everyday crisis like poverty, discrimination, all of that... Wouldnt the world be so much better? Hell the rich would still be rich, and the poor wouldnt be poor. See what Im getting at? Although what I'm doing with CDs and my views on the music biz will hardly change anything, at least its a start. :)
Anti-Hero
10-11-2003, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by bismarksinker
i know that when my mom dies, i hope i inheret her lps and vinyl collection!. I hope your mother dies as well.
Jesus Christ! what am I doing?
I should contribute, and I will.
Just because a person can help another person or get paid by making music, doesn't mean they should.
AssClown
10-12-2003, 03:08 PM
i don't download music. i don't like the RIAA or whatever the hell it's called, but i don't want my favortie bands not getting paid for their music, even though the industry is ripping them off for alot of the money, but i still want the bands getting as much as possible
bismarksinker
10-12-2003, 03:15 PM
Originally posted by Ciid
Oh and for christs sake, If I had a million dollars, I probably wouldnt be as happy as I am now if I spent it on myself. Hell, I'm not exactly rich at all and I still adopt kids, help out with charities, and am a member of a few peace organisations.
Oh and for christs sake, would you rather spend 20 bucks on a CD or spend it not for yourself, but for the good of others or something along those lines - especially when you can download that whole album anyway.
Lets look at it this way. Say you buy a new CD every couple months... thats over 100 dollars a year, and I know most people dont spend that much on CDs, its just an example. Now, you can download all of those songs from all of those CDs for free, and spend 100 dollars on something better...
And lets face it, this won't hurt the artists 'salary' that they 'earn'. Hell, people still buy CDs anyway... I still buy CDs too if I really like the music..
Most of the best musicians are very underground and its hard to find their CDs, nor do they make nearly as much cash as some others do.
All I'm really trying to say is not hostile in any way towards anyone here. Think about this: If all the bands were payed 10 percent less, movie's had a tiny bit lower budget, and overall the rich in the famous were just a little less rich, and all that money that they could have had but dont went to solving everyday crisis like poverty, discrimination, all of that... Wouldnt the world be so much better? Hell the rich would still be rich, and the poor wouldnt be poor. See what Im getting at? Although what I'm doing with CDs and my views on the music biz will hardly change anything, at least its a start. :)
well hell lets just revert to communism while were at it (j/k, it just sounded a little "for the greater good- ish")
BigMattTheHobo
10-12-2003, 05:10 PM
ive listened to many cds with only a couple good songs, it would actually be easier to name the cds that are good. i dont want to get into that because im sure some of you dont like what i like but 20 bucks is far to much to pay for a turd squished into a cd case.
Um, how is rich people being a bit less rich to help the poor communism? The same society would remain, only more people would be happy...
bismarksinker
10-12-2003, 06:47 PM
Originally posted by Ciid
Um, how is rich people being a bit less rich to help the poor communism? The same society would remain, only more people would be happy...
yes but if you kept that going, we would eventually all be at the same level financially, so in effect it would be like, un regulated communism.
and i meant nothing by the comment, i was just joking around.
Yes, I know... But thats not what I was aiming at.
I just dont think it makes any sense at all that celebrities get about one hundred times what they need whereas everyone else gets nothin', and frickin doctors and police officers and those who fight in the military get less than... entertainers... Those who truly help society are usually underpaid.
killer scott
10-12-2003, 08:39 PM
yeah... its insane... i guess that that is all i can say
ypsidan04
10-12-2003, 08:44 PM
Originally posted by BigMattTheHobo
i dont want to get into that because im sure some of you dont like what i like but 20 bucks is far to much to pay for a turd squished into a cd case.
1. Don't worry about that. I sure haven't, lol.
2. Well don't buy turds in a CD case, then - Buy good CDs. I don't buy anything until I've heard most of the songs on it to see if they're good.
killer scott
10-13-2003, 12:22 AM
Originally posted by ypsidan04
1. Don't worry about that. I sure haven't, lol.
2. Well don't buy turds in a CD case, then - Buy good CDs. I don't buy anything until I've heard most of the songs on it to see if they're good.
exactly why downloading is good right there!
maybe he's talking about the 'radio' or the 'tv' ... And you can go ahead and take a tape recorder and record the songs thru the speakers. DLing is more efficient... Thats why it exists.
ypsidan04
10-13-2003, 03:40 PM
Originally posted by killer scott
exactly why downloading is good right there!
What I'm talking about is the radio, and the CD preview systems they have at stores (sometimes you can only hear 30-60 secs. of a song, however). Only a fraction (sometimes only 1) of the songs on a CD are released as singles and can be heard on the radio. Most of the songs can only be heard by checking them out at the store before you buy the CD. I've noticed that a lot of the time, some of the best songs on an album are not released as singles.
oopyman
10-14-2003, 02:49 AM
Originally posted by ypsidan04
What I'm talking about is the radio, and the CD preview systems they have at stores (sometimes you can only hear 30-60 secs. of a song, however). Only a fraction (sometimes only 1) of the songs on a CD are released as singles and can be heard on the radio. Most of the songs can only be heard by checking them out at the store before you buy the CD. I've noticed that a lot of the time, some of the best songs on an album are not released as singles.
exactly sid. we don't know if a CD is any good, so we download some of the songs. if they suck, we delete them and move on. if they don't suck, then you can download the rest of the album. we lose no money. we are happy. we don't really give a shit if they complain, because they have enough fucking money.
BigMattTheHobo
10-14-2003, 03:08 PM
if there is a small band i like i will buy their cd to give them some money, but there is no reason why i need to give ludacris any more money or any other big star for that matter.
H-man
10-14-2003, 05:01 PM
Some people here are idiots. You know how little the artists actually make off of their CD's? Probably only a dollar or two, the recording companies and distributors rip them off. Why should I pay $20 for a CD so some executive can get a new yacht?
If you guys really want to support the bands go to their shows with $20-$50. Buy a few albums directly from them, get a few shirts, and bring a date.
BigMattTheHobo
10-14-2003, 06:47 PM
i hope you arnt saying i am an idiot, that wouldnt be cool.
Now, I really think you ought to do more research Sid... That remark a while ago about 'Dont you want your favorite artists to get as much money as they can possibly get while others starve, others steal because they dont have enough to pay for a god damn loaf of bread...' while happily the tatu girls kiss each other for publicity, have millions of dollars, and try to hide their boyfriends from the press, don't deserve in my opinion one TENTH of that salary... I mean, come on, we're talking crap bands now, but I dont even believe great bands that are publicly loved deserve as much money as they get...
Point remains, if you download music, no harm done. If you buy it, no harm done... I guess. But you really don't need to argue with the other side of this case. Its proven pointless after like 3 pages of bickering. I mean, honestly, Have any artists died since napster came around? No. Have any artists benefitted from it? Yes. So if you want, keep buying CDs... I do sometimes, I'm on both sides here... But don't try to make people who download songs feel guilty because fucking millionaires aren't rich enough and deserve that extra dollar...
droogsteve
10-14-2003, 07:26 PM
H-man nailed it. REAL bands tour. Go see them, buy a shirt. If no talent hacks like J-Lo or Sid's skanky fake lesbians lose a couple of bucks, I'm not gonna lose any sleep over it.
ypsidan04
10-14-2003, 08:28 PM
Originally posted by Ciid
while happily the tatu girls kiss each other for publicity, have millions of dollars, and try to hide their boyfriends from the press, don't deserve in my opinion one TENTH of that salary... I mean, come on, we're talking crap bands now, but I dont even believe great bands that are publicly loved deserve as much money as they get...
1. Happily is right.
2. Where are the pics of the boys? Not even tabloids can come up with any. Speaking of tabloids, there was this one that showed a pic of "Tatu at a nude beach" (censored of course). The hair was wrong, the faces were wrong, their heights were wrong, and they didn't have navel rings - funniest shit I've seen in a long time. :lol, lol:
3. I really don't care if they're fake. Who was it that said "ignorance is bliss"? I'd sure like to think so, and I've seen nothing (credible) to the contrary, but I'm not going to act like it's a fact either, cause they have conflicting statements on that.
4. On topic however, I wouldn't lose sleep either. But I don't download anything from online. If I want to preview something, I do it at the store before I buy whatever it is.
OK, sorry for the bump, but I've been away, and I find this is necessary.
Sid. That was by far one of the stupidest posts I have ever read. Thank you, goodnight.
ypsidan04
10-18-2003, 09:15 AM
Originally posted by Ciid
OK, sorry for the bump, but I've been away, and I find this is necessary.
Sid. That was by far one of the stupidest posts I have ever read. Thank you, goodnight.
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