Why does music suck now?

[doors4trips]

Has anyone else noticed the quality of music recently has been supbar at best. It's all MTV bullshit (ex. TaTu) and even the bands that aren't just don't rock like they use to. Maybe it's because I was growing up in the 90's but the music seems to have reached its pinnacle then. Does anyone else agree?

[BigMattTheHobo]

money and our obsession with looks. now record companies are trying to find the pretty face and have a computer come up with some music. all they have to do is teach the pretty face how to dance and lip synch and they got a hit or two automatically.

[RFAlias]

well, apparently you 2 listen to some shit cause theres plenty of good bands, like : Adema, Sevendust, 3 doors down, Brand new, sum 41 to name a few. Oh, and so you all dont think im some sort of music zombie that listens to whats popular, i've been a fan of all thoes bands since they started, i like what i listen to because well... i just do and like it for no other reason.

[ypsidan04]

More good bands that aren't inflated by MTV:

Matchbox Twenty, Third Eye Blind, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Barenaked Ladies, Default, Staind, Goo Goo Dolls

Don't bring t.A.T.u. into this:


But, yeah, just as t.A.T.u’s image, personality and ’message’ is every bit as important and damn essential to their overall worth as it is with every band ever, and therefore should not be overlooked or treated lightly, the main reason to take notice is the music. Because it’s really very good indeed. Yes, really. If the reason for their success was because of their Sapphic suggestion, then Fem 2 Fem would have had hits.

- drownedinsound.com

[Anti-Hero]

wait a sec, we didn't mention tatu, but he brought it up anyways! great!
this is soo awesome!
we can ban him!
also, music sucks if you lower the standards of what music is.

[ypsidan04]

Originally posted by Anti-Hero
wait a sec, we didn't mention tatu, but he brought it up anyways! great!
this is soo awesome!
we can ban him!
also, music sucks if you lower the standards of what music is.

Originally posted by BigMattTheHobo
money and our obsession with looks. now record companies are trying to find the pretty face and have a computer come up with some music.

Bullshit. Thats got it written all over it. ^^

[RFAlias]

you know what, who cares if they dont write it or really sing it, if you like the sound of it, listen to it. Who the hell cares what anyone else thinks, and why should you give a rats ass if they do care?

[Eminem]

Originally posted by ypsidan04
Bullshit. Thats got it written all over it. ^^


yeh.... notice he was talking about pretty faces. get the hint?

[BigMattTheHobo]

ok, i would like some of our older members (20 and up) to post a couple artists each that they believe are very good artists. i guarantee 80-90% of the artists are ugly. my favorite solo artist is Bob Dylan, he is ugly as fuck but he makes great music. my favorite band, which is hard to call, is sublime. look at them three fat, average looking white guys. (http://sublimespot.com/sublime/fans/gallery/picKLE-albums/Band/Band.BlackFlagShirt.JPG) the point im am trying to make is good music doesnt require good looking artists or flashy gimmicks. which is what we are seeing now, hot chicks (and guys, im not gay) with shitty music.

[oopyman]

Originally posted by BigMattTheHobo
ok, i would like some of our older members (20 and up) to post a couple artists each that they believe are very good artists. i guarantee 80-90% of the artists are ugly. my favorite solo artist is Bob Dylan, he is ugly as fuck but he makes great music. my favorite band, which is hard to call, is sublime. look at them three fat, average looking white guys. (http://sublimespot.com/sublime/fans/gallery/picKLE-albums/Band/Band.BlackFlagShirt.JPG) the point im am trying to make is good music doesnt require good looking artists or flashy gimmicks. which is what we are seeing now, hot chicks (and guys, im not gay) with shitty music.

i agree. black sabbath is one of the best bands ever. 4 ugly old dudes. another good example is pink floyd. i've never even seen a picture of pink floyd, but their music is so great that it doesn't matter. MTV has raped the minds of a lot of people my age.

[droogsteve]

Here you go, Matt. The two bands that I'm most into right now: DROPKICK MURPHYS (http://www.dropkickmurphys.com/artarchive/photos/beerboxes.jpg) and MOTORHEAD (http://db.allmusic.de/livefoto/Motoerhead/Motoerhead_1981_0001.jpg). Both great, but ugly groups that have devoted and loyal fans that MTV wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. MTV has killed music. I'm glad to see younger people like Matt and Oopy who aren't brainwashed by the bullshit and have enough self-confidence not to follow the trend of the week.

[oopyman]

the other day i was supposed to right a paragraph about why music is an important part of my life. i was talking about music from differnt 60s,70s,80s, and 90s and i started a rant about why music sucks now. i filled the page with shit that's wrong with music these days. i'm gonna get a shitty grade, but at least my english teacher will know that i'm not a brainwashed retard like other people in the class.

[doors4trips]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ypsidan04
[B]More good bands that aren't inflated by MTV:

Matchbox Twenty, Third Eye Blind, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Barenaked Ladies, Default, Staind, Goo Goo Dolls

Are you serious!! These bands are so played by MTV. Hardcore!! The only one that's not is Default. MTV has killed music, and they barely play music now a days. TRL makes me want to vomit. The best band I've heard recently is Element Eighty and that's mainly been the live show. Music use to be so great now it's just so not.

[sinistar]

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[gibridehome]

..all of the big new things in music have died out. Truely great mainstream music (music that was actually good that everyone actually bought) died with the 60s. Psychodelia came along, had its run of genius, than became mainstreamed and copied by every band and featured in every commercial. True punk came along, true punk died. Nothing but shit it the eighties besides some underground bands, and then grunge came along, and eventually died out with cobain. So what we have in the mainstream from 96-present is nothing but pop-punk, brainless metal, and post grunge bullshit. Right now there are no exciting new trends in music in the mainstream or underground. Some could argue that the white stripes are making new exciting music, but eh. It's not as big or as world changing as the aformentioned styles.

[vasco is go]

Good bands aren't found easily. You don't see them on MTV or hear them on the radio. You hear about them from friends, you see them in concert, you read about them in some obscure article or something.

I have only discovered three bands I like through MTV or radio. Rage Against the Machine, System of a Down, and Seether. These are all big, popular bands.

On another post, AssClown said something about Shadows Fall, so I checked them out and now I'm hooked.

Or if I hadn't seen small sucky ass video on Launch, I wouldn't have ever learned about Alabama Thunder Pussy.

I got hooked on (hed) p.e. and Taproot when they opened for some other big-time bands.

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There is a good music out there, you can't be lazy, you gotta go and try to find it.

[josiahdood]

i do agree that lots of music today is complete crap, but i would say there are definately some talented musicians out there.
Coldplay, Radiohead, the Chilli peppers, those are a few of the good bands that got it going right now.

personally, i cannot stand Sean Paul. You could grab some random person off the street and make them mutter complete gibberish in front of a croud, and it would be just like that asshole. NO TALENT AT ALL.

Classic rock is all about the talent. Led Zep, Pink Floyd, Lynyrd Skynyrd, wow, i could go on for a while, but you get the point. where would all the contemporary musicians be without the fathers of rock and roll?? the classics dont get enough respect.

[Timebomb]

Originally posted by sinistar
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wow that has to be the best first post ever!


There are some great bands out there. You wont find many of them on the radio or MTV though.

[BlueMind]

I bet that if you go and ask your grandpa about what he thinks of 80's music etc. he'll say that the young'uns destroyed music. It's the circle of life, deal with it.

[RaYmOnD]

ok, i live in england as u may know, we dont have mtv over here unless you pay for it. well anyway mtv isn't big over here at all. I like Rap, Hip Hop and Drum and Bass. Hip Hop is the popular version of rap, well thats how i see it. Drum and Bass you couldn't pin them with any mtv trend because drum and bass is a very british underground sound. Basically what im trying to say is that i dont listen to music because other people do, i listen to this music because i love it, im going to university next year to study computing science and music technology so that i can work in a recording studio as a job. Im addicted to music, i listen to it almost 24/7, i take a diskman into college and listen to it all day, not because im 'brainwashed' but because i love listening to these types of music.

[droogsteve]

Originally posted by BlueMind
I bet that if you go and ask your grandpa about what he thinks of 80's music etc. he'll say that the young'uns destroyed music. It's the circle of life, deal with it. Shitty corporate music isn't the "circle of life". It's true that change is inevitable. When rap got big with groups like NWA, it wasn't my kind of music, but I respected and even admired it because it was original and had something to say. It wasn't like this shit now, where good looks or a gimmick are more important than talent. If you can't see the difference, you probably don't know a lot about music.

[ypsidan04]

Originally posted by BigMattTheHobo
ok, i would like some of our older members (20 and up) to post a couple artists each that they believe are very good artists. i guarantee 80-90% of the artists are ugly.

If you talk about older singers, you're right. But as you can guess, not many people can make it these days without having a "pretty face" - so why criticize s/o when they are just going with the flow? A couple exceptions I can think of are Pat Monahan (Train) and Jack White (White Stripes) - they're both fairly ugly. I can't think of a single female who doesn't look at least a little attractive.

Originally posted by RFAlias
you know what, who cares if they dont write it, if you like the sound of it, listen to it. Who the hell cares what anyone else thinks, and why should you give a rats ass if they do care?

Thank you.

[BigMattTheHobo]

im not really into modern music much, but i cant think of a single female artist who has not relied on her body or sex to sell music.

[brainkandy87]

Originally posted by droogsteve
where good looks or a gimmick are more important than talent

Yeah, to me, it's pretty screwed up that someone can make it huge without writing their own songs or even playing an instrument (cow bell for Christ's sake). I may not like a certain genre of music or a certain band, but if they are just that...a BAND, then I respect them more than any of this crap like Avril Lavigne or T.A.T.U.

At least they're making the effort and creating their own work...not hiring someone that's always unmentioned to make their music.

MTV screwed music when the Spice Girls came out...that's about when all this crap started. There were ones before, no doubt. But, their popularity started the whole chain of "singers" that is now considered music. Thank you, MTV.

[RFAlias]

Again, Who-the-hell-cares what everyone else thinks, if you like it then thats all that matters. Period.

[ypsidan04]

Originally posted by brainkandy87
Yeah, to me, it's pretty screwed up that someone can make it huge without writing their own songs or even playing an instrument

2 things:

- They can play the piano good as hell (like that'll change anyone's mind).

- "Pop stars don’t need to write their own songs (if you think they do then I’ll take your David Sneddon and raise you Elvis and Sinatra)."

[droogsteve]

Originally posted by ypsidan04
"Pop stars don’t need to write their own songs (if you think they do then I’ll take your David Sneddon and raise you Elvis and Sinatra)." No, but MUSICIANS do. Get it now?

[josiahdood]

buuurn! good point man.

[Kanism]

I didn't read the whole thread...i'm a lazy bitch tonight....but music sucks for the most part now because everything is pre-fabricated...there is no more living day to day as a true artist with aspirations of making it big so you put your very soul into your craft...now, it's a matter of who you know and who you fuck and if you can shill your shit to MTV...then, bam!...insta-hit

when the music was good, the bands formed in garages and played with their hearts, wrote their own music, and hitched their dream on their talent and rode it to success or failure.

there are bands that still do that, but for the most part; it seems that the passion is gone...the originality if no more...they see a popular template and they apply it to their band...

I hate pre-fab shit and I hope it goes away very soon.

[oopyman]

Originally posted by Kanism


when the music was good, the bands formed in garages and played with their hearts, wrote their own music, and hitched their dream on their talent and rode it to success or failure.



whenever i listen to pink floyd it sounds like the music is just flowing from their heart to the instruments. i can sit here and listen to shine on you crazy diamond for hours and still enjoy every second of it. can anyone show me one song that was made in 2002-2003 that you can listen to for hours over and over without getting bored? no. the passion IS gone, and i hope someday soon it comes back.

[vasco is go]

Originally posted by oopyman
whenever i listen to pink floyd it sounds like the music is just flowing from their heart to the instruments. i can sit here and listen to shine on you crazy diamond for hours and still enjoy every second of it. can anyone show me one song that was made in 2002-2003 that you can listen to for hours over and over without getting bored? no. the passion IS gone, and i hope someday soon it comes back.

Dude, that's cheating. Shine on is half an hour long. Thats like 6 or 7 songs. So like listening to Shine on 4 times is a couple of hours. It's pretty easy to find a song I can listen to 4 to 6 times in a row w/o getting bored. But give a better example for the hours part.

[oopyman]

Originally posted by vasco is go
Dude, that's cheating. Shine on is half an hour long. Thats like 6 or 7 songs. So like listening to Shine on 4 times is a couple of hours. It's pretty easy to find a song I can listen to 4 to 6 times in a row w/o getting bored. But give a better example for the hours part.

lol, didn't think anyone would catch that. ok, some more examples are have a cigar, us and them, hey you, and welcome to the machine.

[droogsteve]

Every once in a while I'll put on my headphones and listen to Floyd's "Animals" from start to finish. It's still as amazing now as it was the first time that I heard it. There isn't one act (I hesitate to call them bands) today that makes you stop whatever it is you're doing to and listen because it's just so amazing. The last band to fit that description was Nirvana.

[doors4trips]

The last album I bought listened to and just fuckin loved it was The Fragile by Nine Inch Nails. You know what the best part was... it was Nails. He didn't change his sound to fit on MTV it's always been what it is. And when I heard the album faded fast after selling very well the first few weeks it made me happy! Because I knew the real fans already bought it and that meant the mindless fucking teeny boppers didn't like it. Ah!

[RFAlias]

so you cant, nor do like what "teeny boppers" like? if thats the case.. well... thats dumb. Be your self, who cares about the media [i've said it a thousand times.. hopefully someone reads what i say here]

[doors4trips]

No I'm perfectly capable of liking what the teeny boppers like. I just don't. I'm just not feeling it. It all sounds alike. If you dig it, great come out and say so. Quit telling us it's okay to like it. That should be obvious to everybody. Because who's to say what they like is what I like. For example someone mentioned Bob Dylan and Pink Floyd. I personally find them overrated. Don't get me wrong I like some of their shit I just wouldn't listen to it for hours.

[brainkandy87]

Originally posted by ypsidan04
2 things:

- They can play the piano good as hell (like that'll change anyone's mind).

- "Pop stars don’t need to write their own songs (if you think they do then I’ll take your David Sneddon and raise you Elvis and Sinatra)."

Well, Droog got you on the second one, so I'll leave that one. The first one...I don't know who the blue hell you're talking about, maybe T.A.T.U., since you get off on them so much, but if they do...hey, good for them. I've never heard of it, but I guess it could happen.

Everyone likes their own music...that's a basic freedom we have. But like Droog said...there isn't any "Artist" today that you can listen to and just be in awe of it. Some Pop songs have nice little riffs to them, but there isn't any pop song that makes a mark in musical history. There hasn't been a song in a decade to change music history. Britney Spears, T.A.T.U., Avril Lavigne, and so on...they haven't and will never create (or should I say, sing) a song that will stand in time and people years from now look back and say "That changed everything" or "That was unforgettable".

Only true bands...bands that put everything into their songs...they play with every ounce of creativity and energy they have...those kinds of bands are the ones that make those songs or albums. Not a Lesbian Gimmick or a Glamour Girl gimmick. That's what "music" has come to.

[bismarksinker]

i agree to some extent. music on mtv has sucked for a long time now. but there are still good bands. i think you should try broadening your horizons. get out there, get into your local bands. go see some shows. i used to be strictly a metal head, but my drumming caused me to get into other genres, like jazz for instance. and if you dont want to go that softcore. try some alternative rock.

when it comes down to it, its all a matter of opinion

[oopyman]

Originally posted by droogsteve
Every once in a while I'll put on my headphones and listen to Floyd's "Animals" from start to finish. It's still as amazing now as it was the first time that I heard it. There isn't one act (I hesitate to call them bands) today that makes you stop whatever it is you're doing to and listen because it's just so amazing. The last band to fit that description was Nirvana.

what about sublime? with bradly died great music. R.I.P.

[Jim Colyer]

Music sucks now because there is way too much of it. It is chaos. Go into a record shop, and you feel like you are in a foreign country, or another galaxy. It is a Tower of Babel. I am 59. When I was a teenager, everyone knew what a hit was. It was Elvis Presley. Then came The Beatles who virtually invented the album. The Beatles wrote good, solid songs. The lyrics were direct and made sense. In the 1970s, ABBA rose out of Sweden. This was the women's decade, and ABBA was fronted by 2 women. ABBA albums evolved. Each one showed more maturity than the one before it. To me, ABBA's successor is Shania Twain. Shania broke in the country market, then crossed over. She is the female Elvis. She and her husband, Mutt Lange, do great stuff. The path is straight and narrow: Elvis, Beatles, ABBA Shania. Stay on it and you will not get lost. Stray from it, and you will end up in a maze of tattooed, drugged out lunatics. I am a songwriter. Listen to my MP3s>>http://www.jimcolyer.com/music/

[tophizzle]

Dude, this threads almost as old as you

[James Bond 007]

Three little letters M T and V.

[bono_b]

wow that has to be the best first post ever!


There are some great bands out there. You wont find many of them on the radio or MTV though.
there is good music out there and yes it wont be on any station or the tv! so true.reps to u. Dio, helloween, iron maiden - all well over 20years old bands still making brilliant music :bang:

[lameassdude]

People need to stop bitching about how shitting music is and change it themselves, or just go listen to older music. Fuck.

[Kazimierz]

Another resurrected thread. Music changes and evolves. Just because you don't like something, doesn't mean it sucks. Be happy with your own music, and stop talking about how much other people's sucks.

[killerclown]

Because you touch yourself at night.

[wataba]

Every once in a while I'll put on my headphones and listen to Floyd's "Animals" from start to finish. It's still as amazing now as it was the first time that I heard it. There isn't one act (I hesitate to call them bands) today that makes you stop whatever it is you're doing to and listen because it's just so amazing. The last band to fit that description was Nirvana.

I'm sure there's a few bands out there that would demand your attention but I doubt any of them have an easy time breaking into the mainstream since they just wouldn't make the kind of money a Britney Spears or Linkin Park album. I wonder how any of the classic rock bands would have done if they had formed now instead of in the 70s and such. Do you think they'd be all over MTV or would it still just be a bunch of pop music crammed in between all that non-music related programming.