Do Non Musical People Prefer Newer Bands?

[floydheadnumba1]

I have been observing people for a long time, and I have noticed that non musical people prefer newer bands, from the late 90's to now. This has nothing to do with the 80's, by the way. The more musically talented people usually prefer bands from the 60's and 70's, like me. This is an opinion, and I wish you to tell yours.

[whocares]

I have been observing people for a long time, and I have noticed that non musical people prefer newer bands, from the late 90's to now. This has nothing to do with the 80's, by the way. The more musically talented people usually prefer bands from the 60's and 70's, like me. This is an opinion, and I wish you to tell yours.

Well, I think that's because in the older bands were more talent, I mean, look the newer bands are not as talented as the older bands.

And people who plays instruments take the older musician's example and try to be as talented as they are/were.

However, I know people who plays instruments and likes actual playing bands, like RHCP, Dream Theater, Iron Maiden, Godsmack, etc.

[Dwn.Wth.Vwls]

Well for me, I like the music which I was exposed to when i was younger. My mom always listened to the radio station that played whatever music was new (rap), and my dad listened to classic rock (pink floyd, led zeppelin). So yeah, my taste in music is pretty diverse.

[piggyman18]

Obviously non musical people prefer new music. New music sucks dick, and if you were at all musical you'd realize that new music sucks dick and older music is where all the talent is.

[floydheadnumba1]

Obviously non musical people prefer new music. New music sucks dick, and if you were at all musical you'd realize that new music sucks dick and older music is where all the talent is.
I love it when people share my opinions. :bang:

[skater910]

I love it when people share my opinions. :bang:

I second that motion.

Anyway, I feel like a minority at my school when the topic is music. Barely anyone listens to it. Everybody is always talking about these new bands that I have never heard of and eventually I end up hearing it on a commercial or something and it absolutely sucks balls. I just want to yell, "STOP LISTENING TO THIS SHIT! TRY SOME CLASSIC ROCK! IT'S 1000 TIMES BETTER THAN THIS SHIT!" but I'd sound like a moron to them. Ugh, kids these days.

[( ((hoBodav)) )]

you're wrong.


i've played bass guitar for 4 years and violin for 9. i think classic rock, at least the classic rock that you listen to, is mostly a bunch of shit. i also think nu-metal, pop-punk, and ashlee simpson crap is a big pile of shit, so don't try to turn this around on me by claiming that those are the only modern rock groups in existence.

i personally think that the mid-eighties to the early nineties was the best and most innovative time for music. you had bands like sonic youth, dinosaur jr., the stone roses, and my bloody valentine paving the way with a new style and sound that inspired dozens of future bands for generations to follow, including the mainstream alternative grunge of smashing pumpkins and nirvana, britpop like oasis, suede, blur, and the verve throughout the mid-nineties, and even the most recent bands that have been emerging like interpol, placebo, franz ferdinand, and the killers.

from a technical standpoint, guitarists like sonic youth's thurston moore and my bloody valentine's kevin shields are just unmatched in their skill and innovativeness. people like jimi hendrix and eric clapton simply cannot compete on the same level as these musicians can; there is no way they could have replicated the sounds these bands created.

as a discerning musician who is progressively looking ahead for new music, i can understand and respect the skill and brilliance of these bands, and i can only hope that maybe someday you will too...

[crazygorilla14]

uhh.... you obviously haven't heard a randy rhodes solo. heres the thing, bands are hardly able to play lead guitar and vocals at the same time like hendrix did. Also, Eric Clapton is a blues artist, so its not as heavy as some rock.

[( ((hoBodav)) )]

have you heard thurston moore and kevin shields play?

[tophizzle]

That is your goddamned opinion, stop shoving down everyones throat. No one cares that you think Sonic Youth is better then Hendrix, because its not true. Sure you may like it but that dosen't necessarily mean that thos band are so much better then the bands other people like. If you have any evidence that Franz Ferdinand is better then Clapton, please present it. But if you don't, shut your fucking hole.

[crazygorilla14]

uhh, woah, yeah. somewhat what he said but not like all up in your face.

[Sucrose]

from a technical standpoint, guitarists like sonic youth's thurston moore and my bloody valentine's kevin shields are just unmatched in their skill and innovativeness. people like jimi hendrix and eric clapton simply cannot compete on the same level as these musicians can; there is no way they could have replicated the sounds these bands created.

I'd like to hear Thruston Moore write a Clapton solo, let alone play it with his virtuousity. I'd like to hear Kevin Shield's write and play a John Petrucci solo. Now, stop dissing the GOD's of guitar(Clapton, Hendrix) and crawl back under your alternative/grunge rock.

[( ((hoBodav)) )]

That is your goddamned opinion, stop shoving down everyones throat. No one cares that you think Sonic Youth is better then Hendrix, because its not true. Sure you may like it but that dosen't necessarily mean that thos band are so much better then the bands other people like. If you have any evidence that Franz Ferdinand is better then Clapton, please present it. But if you don't, shut your fucking hole.


Whoa. I'm offering the ONLY alternative view to what is being posted in this thread. and it's just that: an alternative. I'm offering views that people outside of the computer/ebaums world community hold. I didn't say Franz Ferdinand was necessarily better, I threw their name out, along with several others, as modern bands influenced by the genius of bands like Sonic Youth and My Bloody Valentine. Those bands represent a style that, in my opinion, are both better and more relevant than Black Sabbath to the modern generation. YOUR generation. If anyone's shoving shit down people's throats, it's you.

Why is it so wrong for a person to like modern music, and be a musician at the same time? That's what this thread is about. Why is that so contradictory? Why?

I second that motion.

Anyway, I feel like a minority at my school when the topic is music. Barely anyone listens to it. Everybody is always talking about these new bands that I have never heard of and eventually I end up hearing it on a commercial or something and it absolutely sucks balls. I just want to yell, "STOP LISTENING TO THIS SHIT! TRY SOME CLASSIC ROCK! IT'S 1000 TIMES BETTER THAN THIS SHIT!" but I'd sound like a moron to them. Ugh, kids these days.

Obviously non musical people prefer new music. New music sucks dick, and if you were at all musical you'd realize that new music sucks dick and older music is where all the talent is.


I mean honestly, WTF, these sound like the rantings of children, you give absolutely no specific reason why its bad, nor mention specific bands that are bad. At least i took the time to mention the names of bands that i think are good. Jesus, i'm a junior in college, grow the fuck up people!

[Sucrose]

You should probably edit your double post, and please reconcile my statements, thank you.

[Liquid Tension]

non music persons prefer classic rock
non music persons prefer modern music
musical persons prefer classic rock
musical persons prefer modern music

All of the above statements are true and there is no way you can say that the majority of musical people like a certain genre

[floydheadnumba1]

Whoa. I'm offering the ONLY alternative view to what is being posted in this thread. and it's just that: an alternative. I'm offering views that people outside of the computer/ebaums world community hold. I didn't say Franz Ferdinand was necessarily better, I threw their name out, along with several others, as modern bands influenced by the genius of bands like Sonic Youth and My Bloody Valentine. Those bands represent a style that, in my opinion, are both better and more relevant than Black Sabbath to the modern generation. YOUR generation. If anyone's shoving shit down people's throats, it's you.

Why is it so wrong for a person to like modern music, and be a musician at the same time? That's what this thread is about. Why is that so contradictory? Why?
By the way, I do not state that new music sucks completely, I just think that more older music is better. Franz Ferdinand is awesome By the way, I hope they make another album soon.

[Disgustipated]

My only question is why does this topic always come up when your in a thread in the music forum? Someone always brings up how bands like led zeppelin and pink floyd 60s-80s and even bands like dream theater from the 90s are better than modern music. I myself agree and disagree at the same time. I do believe that older bands are more talented, but I still think a lot of modern bands produce good music. Talent doesnt equal music. If extreme talent isn't what an artist is aiming for than don't expect them to have a solo on every other song of their cd. However, it's your opinion, and that's all it can be. You can't tell someone that it's fact and try to force someone to agree with you when they disagree. Music is something that you enjoy. If it's peaceful music than you can just relax and forget about your troubles or if you like metal then it's where you can forget about your problems by just releasing all of your energy and having a good time. People have different tastes in music. Live with it.

[floydheadnumba1]

Do you have better idea for this section? If you do, please start threads about them. Otherwise, this is what is posted here, if you don't like it, then leave.

[Disgustipated]

Do you have better idea for this section? If you do, please start threads about them. Otherwise, this is what is posted here, if you don't like it, then leave.

Apparently you didn't read the first sentence in my post. I said that in threads in the music forum, which means not necessarily threads that were made to talk about old music vs. modern music, the topic about old music vs. modern music always comes up. I'm not saying I have better ideas. There are good threads in this forum. My problem is that they always turn into an argument about old music vs. modern music. So therefore, it wouldn't matter whether or not I made a good thread, because most of them end up as I said before.

[floydheadnumba1]

Apparently you didn't read the first sentence in my post. I said that in threads in the music forum, which means not necessarily threads that were made to talk about old music vs. modern music, the topic about old music vs. modern music always comes up. I'm not saying I have better ideas. There are good threads in this forum. My problem is that they always turn into an argument about old music vs. modern music. So therefore, it wouldn't matter whether or not I made a good thread, because most of them end up as I said before.
You are right, but don't complain about it unless you have a good suggestion on a way to change that. I am not trying to be critical either.

[Kenyan]

it seems to me that all these, new bands vs old bands things can be solved by this: Old "mainstream/popular" bands on average are more "talented" then todays "mainstream/popular" bands. Like the who were popular in the 60s and 70s and were talented. These days in the mainstream Ashlee Simpson and Lindsay Lohane are popular, they just dont have any talent/ music skill/ ppl wanted to make as much money off them as possible. I know my argument makes sense in my head, just not sure if i wrote it down properly to get my point across.

[Sezril]

I second that motion.

Anyway, I feel like a minority at my school when the topic is music. Barely anyone listens to it. Everybody is always talking about these new bands that I have never heard of and eventually I end up hearing it on a commercial or something and it absolutely sucks balls. I just want to yell, "STOP LISTENING TO THIS SHIT! TRY SOME CLASSIC ROCK! IT'S 1000 TIMES BETTER THAN THIS SHIT!" but I'd sound like a moron to them. Ugh, kids these days.
Where the hell do you live? Around here, everyone listens to classic rock and it's fucking disgusting. I bet you $20 I could spot at least two DSOTM tees and five AC/DC shirts while walking to the sports shop in my mall.

But yeah, you basically sound like every thirteen to sixteen year old I know. Not to mention it just makes you look just as ignorant as modern mainstream kiddies.

[fearfactory1100]

I don't play an instrument or have ever played any instrument, but I find that the alternative talented groups are my favorites.

such as Primus, Faith No More, Mr. bungle, fear factory, and one of the more creative bands of our time.


Godflesh.....almost any metalhead just shun them off, but today's metal was revolutionized by their 1989 album, Streetcleaner and that's a fact.

[floydheadnumba1]

Where the hell do you live? Around here, everyone listens to classic rock and it's fucking disgusting. I bet you $20 I could spot at least two DSOTM tees and five AC/DC shirts while walking to the sports shop in my mall.

But yeah, you basically sound like every thirteen to sixteen year old I know. Not to mention it just makes you look just as ignorant as modern mainstream kiddies.
Wearing band shirts is not cool at all now, simply because everyone does it. I got a DSOTM tshirt when i was in 5th grade, then everyone started wearing them, and it pisses me off.

[( ((hoBodav)) )]

Where the hell do you live? Around here, everyone listens to classic rock and it's fucking disgusting. I bet you $20 I could spot at least two DSOTM tees and five AC/DC shirts while walking to the sports shop in my mall.

But yeah, you basically sound like every thirteen to sixteen year old I know. Not to mention it just makes you look just as ignorant as modern mainstream kiddies.

i think that's the major flaw of the eBaum's forum, there's just not enough intelligent discussion and there's too many kiddies and fanboys posting absolutely stupid shite like that.

i also hate the way these people are always posting the most god-awful threads like "what's your favorite this-or-that," "who's the best..." blah blah blah... every other new thread is something like that. you'd think with such a huge community, more people would be posting music news about tour dates, rumors, shows, or having interesting discussions about styles, genres, etc... but no, i feel dumber every day reading this crap. i guess that's too much to ask for though...

[Karajan]

Nothing's changed. I grew up in the 80's and 90's (I'm 25) and it's always been the same.

It goes something like this:

"So and so band is popular, everyone likes them!"

"That means that I can be cool by not liking them!"

Then everyone ends up not liking them. Or roughly 50% ends up not liking them.

I heard a saying one time, can't remember where it was: "Going against the mainstream has become mainstream."

Something like that...

Honestly, think about it...Ashley Simpson is a good example...I think someone alluded that she was extremely popular...

So...does anyone here actually LIKE her? Come on, fess up...you can be assured that at least I won't flame you. *Listens to crickets chirping*

People will like the kind of music that they want to like. They'll listen to what they want to listen to. No matter what you say to them, it probably won't change their opinion.

For more on how hopeless a cause it is trying to change people's opinions, check out the Current Events forum. :D

Not trying to cause a stir, I just think some of you need to calm down. You don't want to have a heart attack before your 30th birthday over something this trivial.

[killer scott]

stop whining and go start a band and try to bring what ever it is that you think is good to the masses. theres good modern music out there... and there is terrible modern music out there... there is terrible classic rock out there and there is great classic rock too...

[Sezril]

i think that's the major flaw of the eBaum's forum, there's just not enough intelligent discussion and there's too many kiddies and fanboys posting absolutely stupid shite like that.
I'm a bit confused, are you saying that what I responded to was shit, or what I stated was shit?

[loose cannon]

Only 1 guy on here knows what he's talking about. The rest of you have bought into the sad baby boomer propaganda myth. There is great music being made all the time.

[Travmire]

it seems to me that all these, new bands vs old bands things can be solved by this: Old "mainstream/popular" bands on average are more "talented" then todays "mainstream/popular" bands. Like the who were popular in the 60s and 70s and were talented. These days in the mainstream Ashlee Simpson and Lindsay Lohane are popular, they just dont have any talent/ music skill/ ppl wanted to make as much money off them as possible. I know my argument makes sense in my head, just not sure if i wrote it down properly to get my point across.


How can you compare The Who to Ashlee Simpson. That is like saying Old music sucks because disco is horrible.

Music Today is good. Those of you who love only old music, consider some of these factors. Are you too old for modern music? Does it not speak to your generation? That is because it is for today's generation. That doesn't mean it is bad. Also, modern bands haven't peaked yet. A lot of the bands that are great right now have only released one or two albums. By the time some of today's bands are done, they will have released several great albums and great songs.

Ten years from now we will see what the great music of the time really is. The crappy bands will be forgotten, and all the great one will be remembered.

[Sucrose]

Where the hell do you live? Around here, everyone listens to classic rock and it's fucking disgusting. I bet you $20 I could spot at least two DSOTM tees and five AC/DC shirts while walking to the sports shop in my mall.

But yeah, you basically sound like every thirteen to sixteen year old I know. Not to mention it just makes you look just as ignorant as modern mainstream kiddies.

You're absolutely right. It seems like the trendy thing nowadays. Tons of Zeppelin, AC/DC, Pink Floyd shirts around nowadays. The sad thing is they barely know anything about these bands(the majority of them.) DSOTM for Pink Floyd, Back in Black for AC/DC. They're just trying to be different.

[floydheadnumba1]

you're wrong.


i've played bass guitar for 4 years and violin for 9. i think classic rock, at least the classic rock that you listen to, is mostly a bunch of shit. i also think nu-metal, pop-punk, and ashlee simpson crap is a big pile of shit, so don't try to turn this around on me by claiming that those are the only modern rock groups in existence.

i personally think that the mid-eighties to the early nineties was the best and most innovative time for music. you had bands like sonic youth, dinosaur jr., the stone roses, and my bloody valentine paving the way with a new style and sound that inspired dozens of future bands for generations to follow, including the mainstream alternative grunge of smashing pumpkins and nirvana, britpop like oasis, suede, blur, and the verve throughout the mid-nineties, and even the most recent bands that have been emerging like interpol, placebo, franz ferdinand, and the killers.

from a technical standpoint, guitarists like sonic youth's thurston moore and my bloody valentine's kevin shields are just unmatched in their skill and innovativeness. people like jimi hendrix and eric clapton simply cannot compete on the same level as these musicians can; there is no way they could have replicated the sounds these bands created.

as a discerning musician who is progressively looking ahead for new music, i can understand and respect the skill and brilliance of these bands, and i can only hope that maybe someday you will too...

The bands from the 80's have some kick ass talent, yet their music sucks.
And no you are wrong that they are better than jimi hendrix or eric clapton. It is extremely unlikely that a person with as much talent as they had will exist on this world.

[kilgore84]

I agree with the statement that Thurston Moore is one of the best, and probably THE most innovative guitarist of all-time. And to all you classic rock fans, even Neil Young has been known to place Thurston Moore above guitarists like Eric Clapton and Jimi Hendrix. Of course, this is an argument that can't be won, because it's art, and you can't argue art because of its subjectivity.

[MoDilly]

^^^i mean cmon its neil young...

you guys do realize that the main reason for modern music being so capitalistic and commercialized is because of the astronomical influence by MTV right. i mean it sways everything. MTV wasnt around for most of the classic rock bands, but there was disco and that was always a sure thing for mediocre musicians to make money from. peoples opinions dont really matter here, because peoples opinions vary and it doesnt matter what kind of music you listen to, because its your opinion, but the fact is that probably close to 80% of the music that comes out today and is played on the radio is made by less than mediocre musicians, and most of them dont even write the own songs. basically there are more horrible bands just in it for the money, than there ever has been, and more and more untalented musicians jump on the bandwagon every day.


and hoBodav would prolly agree with me when i say, any body with a little bit of musical knowledge, such as reading music, understanding time signatures, and of course a little creativity could go and make/write beats/songs and make a living doing it, and make better music than most of whats coming out. thats pretty pathetic.

[UltimateFIEND78]

I think it's because if you're more musicly talented, you know what it takes to be good, but if you're not, you don't really know what tallent is. And it's true because I used to listen to crap music before I started playing bass, and now I listen to older music.

[Senor_Queso]

I think the biggest effect is not what you play, but rather what you grew up with. I grew up hearing modern music, so I like some modern stuff. I'm not known to take the mainstream though, so I still listen to bands who, in my opinion, have talent (Eve 6, Nickelback, Third Eye Blind, Powerman 5000). And my brother exposed me to the 80's when I was about 10. Compared to the others in my school, I have a huge variety of music.

[Ajax]

Obviously non musical people prefer new music. New music sucks dick, and if you were at all musical you'd realize that new music sucks dick and older music is where all the talent is.


Saying new music "suck dick" is just ignorant.


There are good bands today, you just have to realize that they are talented.

[Smooth]

Yes, it is true for the most part, and I am a living example. I used to like new music for the longest time. I listened to punk and the likes forever, I even went through a rap stage. Then I started playing guitar and now I fucking love classic rock. That's like all that I listen to. It is just really appealing now.

[Mount_Happy]

The way Ive always seen it is that nowdays you dont need talent to be popular in the music industry and that itself is saddening.

[zamphir66]

I think the problem with these kinds of discussions has to do with what in literature is called the canon. It takes about a generation to form the canon, the collection of artists and works that pretty much everyone agrees represent the cream of the crop. Sometimes the bands that we idolize today were very controversial in their day [zeppelin]. Sometimes, hugely successful bands are relegated to footnotes [wings].

The trouble is that if you're discussing only the last 15 years it's really impossible to say what will stand the test of time. Our kids will have to make that decision.