God Save the Sex Pistols

[mullenisahippie]

The Sex Pistols, man who heard they were touring in Bagdad? Who even knew they were still together (except for Sid) they're awesome, who thinks the ramones were first, or better?

[droogsteve]

I like both bands, but I definately prefer the Ramones. A lot of the Sex Pistol's outrageousness seems like it was rehearsed to me. "God Save The Queen" was designed just to piss people off and get the band noticed. The Ramones were all about cutting through the arty, political bullshit that was killing rock in the seventies. They came on the scene and kicked ass. They made rock fun again.

[Karly]

I heart Droog.

[H-man]

The Sex Pistols were created to promote a store that was the Hot Topic equivalent of the 70's.

They were not the first Punk band either. Ramones and The Damned were both before them, that does not include Oi! and proto stuff either.

[droogsteve]

Originally posted by mamichuli
I heart Droog. Right back at ya, Karly. ;)

[mullenisahippie]

Originally posted by H-man
Ramones and The Damned were both before them
yea, except no. lol the sex pistols were acctually a bet by malcom mclaven, he bet someone that he could take the first 4 people that walked into his record shop, and turn them into a band, it took a while before they came out with NMTB but it was damn good. before ramones, or the damned, the sex pistols were already playing at strip clubs. John Lyndon admitted that he had nothing against the queen, i dont know where i heard that though. Even if you still think the Pistols werent first, you have to admit they started political punk w/ god save the queen, then they went on and made -Belsen was a Gas, Holidays in the Sun, and a lot more i cant think of off the top of my head... anyway i dont like the ramones, they practically invented emo with that song, i wanna be your boyfriend, i dont know why but whenever i listen to them i think of a bunch of hippes, and the sex pistols didnt sell their song off for an at&t commercial...

[DropkickMurphy]

I don't know if that was sarcastic.. but from reading some of your posts before, Im not really sure. Just incase you were serious, he's talking about Sid Vicious, Sex Pistols bassist who murdered his girlfriend Nancy.

[droogsteve]

Originally posted by mullenisahippie
i dont know why but whenever i listen to them i think of a bunch of hippes, and the sex pistols didnt sell their song off for an at&t commercial... Ramones? Hippies? Please.... And you can thank Joey Ramone's greedy family for the commercials. The Ramones didn't license any songs while he was alive. And I have no doubt that John Lydon (not Lyndon as you posted) would sell out to a company in a heartbeat. The man appeared on the fucking Judge Judy show for Christ sake!! Unfortunately for him, no company wants to associate their product with a Sex Pistols song.

[gibridehome]

Originally posted by droogsteve
Ramones? Hippies? Please.... And you can thank Joey Ramone's greedy family for the commercials.


I am now prepared to school you all in ramones trivia.

Joey Ramone actually once attended a Grateful Dead concert. He left because they didn't play any fast songs. So he gave hippies a chance at least.

And you can thank Johnny Ramone for those commercials, as well as shitty tribute albums. I like Johnny pre-90s.

[gibridehome]

Originally posted by H-man
The Sex Pistols were created to promote a store that was the Hot Topic equivalent of the 70's.

They were not the first Punk band either. Ramones and The Damned were both before them, that does not include Oi! and proto stuff either.

ahem the Damned started playing punk rock after seeing a sex pistols show, just like the buzzcocks and the clash. the damned released the first punk album, if that's what you're thinking of.

The hot topic equivalnet of the 70s???? please... the store was called sex and it selled panties and belts and weird fetish things, it wasnt a chain, and it was meant to not be accepted by the public, not to capitolize on youth. the pistols were in there because it was their kind of store, the store that was anti social and just weird. in the beginning they were meant to promote sex, but after a while they stopped caring and so did everyone else. the pistols got a lot of their esthetics and shit from sex.

[Anti-Hero]

Originally posted by droogsteve
And I have no doubt that John Lydon (not Lyndon as you posted) would sell out to a company in a heartbeat. Lydon did.
He was in a skate video called Sorry.
HE got paid so they could capitalize on his "legend" type status among little kids who are actually interested in him and THe company that put out the video, Flip Skateboards.

ANyways Metal is better.

[stevib]

Originally posted by Anti-Hero
Lydon did.
He was in a skate video called Sorry.
HE got paid so they could capitalize on his "legend" type status among little kids who are actually interested in him and THe company that put out the video, Flip Skateboards.

ANyways Metal is better.

I bought sorry, it's one of ma faves. Suppose ive fueled his evil ways.

[oopyman]

Originally posted by ypsidan04
You talking to me there?

are you really that stupid? he's talking about sid vicious.

[mullenisahippie]

sorry you guys i dont really think the ramones are hippies... i was just tryin to see if you guys were really ramones fans. there are o many posers who listen to like good charolate crap that wear ramones shirts. im like "name a ramones song" and they are all like "well i dont really know them that well, but i like that hey ho lets go song" they dont even know its called blitzgreig bop (i dont think thats how its spelled) but ok you guys are cool

[Psychotic Elf]

I like The Ramones better. Sex Pistols are too...blah...for me. Not enough...they're just missing something. I have a SP shirt, but I've only really listened to Pretty Vacant, God Save The Queen, and Anarchy In The U.K. I fell asleep listening to the rest. That doesn't mean that I'm not a devoted fan. The Ramones, however, keep me bright and chappy. I love BB [don't know how to spell it either], Beat On The Brat, Teenage Lobotomy, Pinhead, and The KKK Took My Baby Away. They rock. Yeehaw.

[Anti-Hero]

It's kinda self defeating because people thought that they could be original and got copied a million times over.

[EnjoiSkater]

I have to go with the ramones on this on. They started the whole idea of punk and every punk band we hear now is a result of them. My favorite songs are Blitzkrieg Bop, I Wanna be Sedated, Acid Eaters, and Suzy is a Headbanger.

[JulieB]

yea, except no. lol the sex pistols were acctually a bet by malcom mclaven, he bet someone that he could take the first 4 people that walked into his record shop, and turn them into a band, it took a while before they came out with NMTB

Do you REALLY believe that?! I haven't had such a laugh in months! Allow me to educate you a little. Guitarist and Drummer Steve Jones and Paul Cook had been playing together with various friends under various names since 1972 (most latterly as The Strand or The Swankers). By 1974 they were regularly hanging around the Kings Road, and specifically Mclaren's 'Sex' shop (not a 'Hot Topic' type shop, but a shop specialising in bondage and sexual fetish wear). Jones knew Mclaren had managed the New York Dolls for a short period. The Dolls were one of his favourite bands, so he pestered Mclaren to manage his band. Malcom eventually agreed, even though he had doubts. At this stage the band were a 3 piece and in need of a bass player. Glen Matlock - who worked in the 'Sex' shop - played bass, so was an ideal candiate. The third member (and original founder), Wally Nightingale, had by now been sacked. A singer was needed, and Mclaren suggested John Lydon, who had seen in his shop a number of times and remembered due to his rather 'striking' appearance. Lydon was auditioned, accepted, and the Sex Pistols born. Rehearsals began in 1975, and by late 75/early 76 they had already completely written and were regularly performing live the tracks that would appear over a year later on Never Mind The Bollocks.

The Clash formed as a direct result of Joe Strummer seeing the Pistols live. Mclaren's associate Bernie Rhodes was managing the fledgling band, attempting to emulate Mclaren to some extent. He saw Strummer in his old Pub Rock band the 101er's and offered him a job as his new bands vocalist. Strummer went away to think over the offer, and it was during this period he first saw the Sex Pistols. Strummer admitted many times in interviews over the years that this was the moment he realised that it was time to jump ship and join The Clash. "Yesterday I was crud, then I saw the Sex Pistols and realised I could be King". Next band to be formed were The Damned, who though the third Punk band to emerge, were the first to get a single released.

The Ramones? Don't make me laugh. They didn't come first, and they certainly weren't Punk. Check the timelines and you'll find both they and the Pistols developed in parallel, albeit on opposite sides of the ocean. By the time the Ramones arrived to play their first gigs in the UK, the Pistols were already the 'Kings of Punk'. Musically The Ramones and Pistols were miles apart. Listen to the first Ramones album and what do you hear? A bunch of tired old Doo-Wop and Rock and Roll cliches played at triple speed. The minute you hear the first song song you can tell exactly what the Ramones record collection consisted of. You can't do that with Never Mind The Bollocks. Sure, there are a few immediately obvious Rock and Roll reference points, but nothing so blatant, cliched or blanketing as those used by the Ramones. Just compare Pretty Vacant with any track from the first Ramones LP and you'll see exactly what I mean. What do you hear when you play Vacant? The Sex Pistols and nothing else.

Now, if you'd learn to learn more in the way of FACTS concerning these bands and this period in music history, I suggest you do some research for yourselves rather than just swallowing the umpteen boring and over-used myths infesting assorted online messageboards that concern the Sex Pistols and Punk Rock.

Oh, and I Almost forgot, to the fool who's under misguided impression that 'Oi' arrived on the scene before the Punk and the Pistols, 'Oi' actually arrived AFTERWARDS, just as the Punk bands were dying out, loosing their direction, or becoming more 'arty'.

It was a street level music that followed directly in the footsteps of Punk, with it's bands being inspired to form by earlier bands such as The Clash and Pistols, though 'Oi' bands generally lacked songs of an equal quality to those the earlier Punk bands, and had none of the impact.

Thankyou and goodnight!

[ipathrasta22]

God Save The Sex Pistols!

[zpunkz]

Do you REALLY believe that?! I haven't had such a laugh in months! Allow me to educate you a little. Guitarist and Drummer Steve Jones and Paul Cook had been playing together with various friends under various names since 1972 (most latterly as The Strand or The Swankers). By 1974 they were regularly hanging around the Kings Road, and specifically Mclaren's 'Sex' shop (not a 'Hot Topic' type shop, but a shop specialising in bondage and sexual fetish wear). Jones knew Mclaren had managed the New York Dolls for a short period. The Dolls were one of his favourite bands, so he pestered Mclaren to manage his band. Malcom eventually agreed, even though he had doubts. At this stage the band were a 3 piece and in need of a bass player. Glen Matlock - who worked in the 'Sex' shop - played bass, so was an ideal candiate. The third member (and original founder), Wally Nightingale, had by now been sacked. A singer was needed, and Mclaren suggested John Lydon, who had seen in his shop a number of times and remembered due to his rather 'striking' appearance. Lydon was auditioned, accepted, and the Sex Pistols born. Rehearsals began in 1975, and by late 75/early 76 they had already completely written and were regularly performing live the tracks that would appear over a year later on Never Mind The Bollocks.

The Clash formed as a direct result of Joe Strummer seeing the Pistols live. Mclaren's associate Bernie Rhodes was managing the fledgling band, attempting to emulate Mclaren to some extent. He saw Strummer in his old Pub Rock band the 101er's and offered him a job as his new bands vocalist. Strummer went away to think over the offer, and it was during this period he first saw the Sex Pistols. Strummer admitted many times in interviews over the years that this was the moment he realised that it was time to jump ship and join The Clash. "Yesterday I was crud, then I saw the Sex Pistols and realised I could be King". Next band to be formed were The Damned, who though the third Punk band to emerge, were the first to get a single released.

The Ramones? Don't make me laugh. They didn't come first, and they certainly weren't Punk. Check the timelines and you'll find both they and the Pistols developed in parallel, albeit on opposite sides of the ocean. By the time the Ramones arrived to play their first gigs in the UK, the Pistols were already the 'Kings of Punk'. Musically The Ramones and Pistols were miles apart. Listen to the first Ramones album and what do you hear? A bunch of tired old Doo-Wop and Rock and Roll cliches played at triple speed. The minute you hear the first song song you can tell exactly what the Ramones record collection consisted of. You can't do that with Never Mind The Bollocks. Sure, there are a few immediately obvious Rock and Roll reference points, but nothing so blatant, cliched or blanketing as those used by the Ramones. Just compare Pretty Vacant with any track from the first Ramones LP and you'll see exactly what I mean. What do you hear when you play Vacant? The Sex Pistols and nothing else.

Now, if you'd learn to learn more in the way of FACTS concerning these bands and this period in music history, I suggest you do some research for yourselves rather than just swallowing the umpteen boring and over-used myths infesting assorted online messageboards that concern the Sex Pistols and Punk Rock.

Oh, and I Almost forgot, to the fool who's under misguided impression that 'Oi' arrived on the scene before the Punk and the Pistols, 'Oi' actually arrived AFTERWARDS, just as the Punk bands were dying out, loosing their direction, or becoming more 'arty'.

It was a street level music that followed directly in the footsteps of Punk, with it's bands being inspired to form by earlier bands such as The Clash and Pistols, though 'Oi' bands generally lacked songs of an equal quality to those the earlier Punk bands, and had none of the impact.

Thankyou and goodnight!

ok first off the whole concept of PUNK and what PUNK really is was started by the ramones PERIOD. thousands of bands back a whole lotta fucking years were before the ramones does it mean theyw ere punk? FUCK NO! Ok dude let me get this ok joe strummer commenst on the ramones and so do the pistols...the pistols were pissed because of some sibling rivalry bullshit..."the ramones think they are so special cause they started punk" and whatever im drinking so be patient...the ramones started punk and if you remember dude lol Mclaren was involved with cbgb's and saw everything that was going on right from the beggining so that is why the pistols were coming along close to parrallel to the ramones ..the ramones were FIRST everyone else was AFTER and dont tell me you are more RIGHT than people who WERE THERE! they even coined the TERM punk! punk was just an ANTI bullshit way of life and music it always was in england or america all of this sex pistol this or Ramones that is just BULLSHIT! The sex pistols arent special they just got alot of attention..clever, it was the point. they were GOOD but really aloty of their music wasnt honest and was manufactured. and punk itself IS HONESTY and being yourself so their music itself isnt PURELY PUNK! Some of it was however and i do like it but to diss the ramones...you have alot to learn buddy. seriously. without them there would be nothing PERIOD. I think its funny to read about how members of the pistols trie dto MIMIC some of what the dolls were doing in rehearsal. btw The ramones actually came together in 73' honey....AND The group played their first concert on March 30, 1974,(hmmm that lookslike its before 75/76 doesnt it? :help: :insane: ) at New York's Performance Studio get your shit straight or get your lips sewn shut. oh and lol funny enough they arent the ones to start dying their hair funny colors either mates LMAO. ala the richard hell. who also used safety pins and ripped his clothes lol. DEE DEE ramone also donned the famous lil lock and chain necklace in the early days BEFORE sid if you wanna even care about fashion LMAO the pistols deserve respect and the ramones deserve reverence. even if you dont like them. :p

[zpunkz]

julieB's post=The Ramones? Don't make me laugh. They didn't come first, and they certainly weren't Punk. :banghead: Check the timelines and you'll find both they and the Pistols developed in parallel, albeit on opposite sides of the ocean. By the time the Ramones arrived to play their first gigs in the UK, the Pistols were already the 'Kings of Punk'.

mine=...actually retard this isnt true lol even the ramones talk about this themselves after they went to england is when punk exploded IN ENGLAND dumb ass. "we went to england and facilitated punk rock" the pistols werent kings at all. and the ramones arent punk? let me correct you again lil boy they started,defined,coined and MADE punk they were the first band to be titled a PUNK band since they made it UP! they LITERALLY now boys listen up...made up the term..PUNK...and what it was PERIOD. obviously you dont get the soul in RAMONES music and are just another trendy pistols worshipper. get off of this fucking site if youre gonna be an idiot. and state your "facts" which literally mean SHIT. Dont even open your hole about music unless you know what youre talking about. YOu have facts i donnow here you got these facts but somehow lol ive read alot of "facts" to do with punk and some are quite wrong. but i know for a FACT you NOR your information are more correct than members of the pistols/ramones/clash or anyone else.

[/Tilt/]

The Ramones? Don't make me laugh. They didn't come first, and they certainly weren't Punk. :banghead: Check the timelines and you'll find both they and the Pistols developed in parallel, albeit on opposite sides of the ocean. By the time the Ramones arrived to play their first gigs in the UK, the Pistols were already the 'Kings of Punk'. actually retard this isnt true lol even the ramones talk about this themselves

...after they went to england is when punk exploded dumb ass. "we went to england and facilitated punk rock" the pistols werent kings at all. and the ramones arent punk? let me correct you again lil boy they started,defined,coined and MADE punk they were the first band to be titled a PUNK band since they made it UP! they LITERALLY now boys listen up...made up the term..PUNK...and what it was PERIOD. obviously you dont get the soul in RAMONES music and are just another trendy pistols worshipper. get off of this fucking site if youre gonna be an idiot. and state your "facts" which literally mean SHIT. Dont even open your hole about music unless you know what youre talking about. YOu have facts i donnow here you got these facts but somehow lol ive read alot of "facts" to do with punk and some are quite wrong. but i know for a FACT you NOR your information are more correct than members of the pistols/ramones/clash or anyone else.
Way to dis Johnny's band, dude. He just died. And lay off the caps lock, and your run-on sentences baffle me. You obviously have a biased opinion about where punk originated, blew up, etc. seeing as you're from England. Maybe punk did start in merry old England. Maybe it did blow up there. But theres one thing for certain and its that the Ramones were in fact punk and you have sand in your vagina.

[zpunkz]

Way to dis Johnny's band, dude. He just died. And lay off the caps lock, and your run-on sentences baffle me. You obviously have a biased opinion about where punk originated, blew up, etc. seeing as you're from England. Maybe punk did start in merry old England. Maybe it did blow up there. But theres one thing for certain and its that the Ramones were in fact punk and you have sand in your vagina.

UGHHH did you not read how i was quoting the person who dissed the ramones? and responding to him telling him he was full of shit? look how in the first part of the post it is a quote. I used the quote button i guess it didnt work right. I was responding to JulieB ..moron. and her wholemeaningless uneducated rant. since the ramones formed in 73 and played there first show in march of 74 the pistols didnt start anything till about 76...guess who is first? lol...I'm not from england and i dont care for the pistols too much they were for the most part a band made by someone to make money. And marketed right johnny himself said he didnt have anything againstthe queen...pretty funny if you ask me. Johnny is a funny guy though. They didnt start anything really..even the ripped clothes/safety pins(richard hell)/dying hair funny colors(richard,bowie)/chains(dee dee) lol...

[COnor]

wouldnt the new york dolls be the first ever punk band?

[UltimateFIEND78]

I think that the Ramones came first, but more people went with what the Sex Pistol's were sayin.

[zpunkz]

wouldnt the new york dolls be the first ever punk band?

no but they influenced it heavily.

[zpunkz]

I think that the Ramones came first, but more people went with what the Sex Pistol's were sayin.

so more people went with being against the queen? no man. Punk always sang about life and things you thought. The pistols didnt even write alot of their shit. It doesnt matter how many people this or that none of that matters 100 people can be wrong and one be right numbers dont mean anything at all...Jason