the shitty cavaliers

[whutupTHUG21]

garbage garbage garbage.... eastern conference and they are playing like this... where is the all holy lebron? this team is terribly overrated if u ask me.

[Devastation]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Now I'm no fan of the Cavaliers (I'm a Pistons man), but they are definitely not overrated. You have to remember that these guys play 82 games. They're gonna be tired some nights.

[TheDawgPound72]

This has been the only time this season where we've struggled. We need a 3 pt shooter and J-Mac to start hitting down shots like he did all of last year.

[roadygiaco]

just remember, you can't win 'em all. *points at illinois and chuckles*

[xboxfever.com]

no offense, but they're the fucking Cavs... or maybe the Cav Nots. What did you expect? ;)

[Cav20]

The cavs are definitly are not underated. Ilgauskas is one of the most underated players in the league........... a true playmaker and teamplayer!

[xboxfever.com]

and such a beautiful sight to behold when he starts running, too :D

[Mike From The D]

Anyone who thought the Cavs would keep up the pace they set at the start of the season was delusional, the bench isn't deep enough for them to make it the whole season, they will continue to fade. I say they end up a 6 or 7 seed.

[Pfef63]

Anyone who thought the Cavs would keep up the pace they set at the start of the season was delusional, the bench isn't deep enough for them to make it the whole season, they will continue to fade. I say they end up a 6 or 7 seed.
I disagree. Our bench was deep enough to get us at least the 4 seed (Hey, its still not out of reach), all of us just got hurt/slumped at the wrong time. Anderson Varejao, our team's energy source has missed the last 6 weeks with a sprained ankle and returned just yesterday. Other key players that have gotten injured sometime this season are:

Jeff McInnis
Ira Newble
Luke Jackson
Scott Williams
Dejuan Wagner
and of course, LeBron James

That's almost half of the team. Its not depth thats the concern, its health.

Drew Gooden also hit a MAJOR slump right after the all-star break. Since the break, he's averaged 11.25 ppg, and even worse, 7.75 rpg. Those numbers include his monster game last night.

But last night, we actually won. And it's because we had some depth in the front court for the first time in 6 weeks, and because Gooden finally broke out of his slump. If we can play like that for the rest of the season, I see us getting the 4 seed with no problem.

[Mike From The D]

geez i'm having flashbacks of caveman/laker and all injury woes last year. they are part of the game, they should not be used as excuses. everyone gets hurt, no one makes it the whole season un-injured. Baseball players have slumps, NBA players play like shit for an extended period of time.......I'll bump this thread in a few months when the cavs are the sixth seed. :D............and the three players on the injured list, they are non-factors playing or injured. just my opinion. the cavs have 4 solid players thats it.

[Pfef63]

They may seem like "non factors" but they gave us depth in the front court. When they were all hurt, we had to rely on Tractor Traylor and Desagna Diop to carry the load for us.

[Mike From The D]

between the three they average 2.8 pts per game, 0.8 rebounds. where I come from thats a non factor, not depth. just because they have heart beats doesn't make them players.....But anyway all in good fun, let the chips fall where they may.

[Pfef63]

You ahve to remember though, Luke Jackson didn't play much to start the season, and then he got hurt right when he started earning some time.

And Scott Williams is still a hell of a lot more productive than Diop.

[Mike From The D]

He didn't play because he was a non-factor, its not like they forgot about him.......I give up.

[Pfef63]

He didn't play early on because he was a rookie. Silas limits rookies, with the lone exception of LeBron James.

He did the same thing with Jason Kapono last year, who is a similar player to Luke Jackson.

[Mike From The D]

But if he could have played and been a factor, rookie or not he would have played? Yes?.......ok I give up for real this time. :)

[Pfef63]

He would've gotten his playing time eventually. He's probably the only guy we have that can shoot the ball.

[Mike From The D]

"""BUMP""" Just to rub it in a bit, HOLY SHIT #7 seed and dropping. Bwaaahaaahaaaahaaaa.

[Viper2004]

They obviously aren't doing that good if they fired their head coach and are about to fire their general manager.

[JerkyMyTurky]

"""BUMP""" Just to rub it in a bit, HOLY SHIT #7 seed and dropping. Bwaaahaaahaaaahaaaa.

You called it man. Where is Pfef anyway? He was a good contributer to this section.

The Cavs were over achieving in the first half of the season and were shocking teams who didn't expect such good play. I think they have come down to Earth and the other teams in the east have picked it up a notch for playoff positioning. The Nets are pushing for a spot very hard and the Sixers and Cavs should be worried. The Nets are 1 game behind the Sixers and 2 games behind the Cavs. The ideal slot for the Nets would be the 7th slot against the Pistons, they are small team against the Heat and the Pistons. If I'm the Heat and Pistons, I don't want to play the Cavs, because they have a big man in Ilgauskas and Lebron.

[Mike From The D]

You called it man. Where is Pfef anyway? He was a good contributer to this section.We were shooting the shit the other day, we agreed that the Cavs just need a couple more quality players and they'll be right in it. With Lebron they should be able to attract some free agents............They have a bright future ahead, it just takes a little time.

[psheddy]

I just hope we do make theplayoff this year, even if we do bad... I just fear LeBron will leave if he doesn't see progress....

[justplainTerror]

I don't think Lebron James is going to leave anytime soon. They need to pick up some key components over the summer to make an outstanding team. As far as the playoffs go it's really hard to tell if they are going to make it.

[atreyu_2020]

Hey guess what, any team that comes from Cleveland creates controversy because they all suck, and the only ones that dont see it, are Cleveland fans.

[Pfef63]

You called it man. Where is Pfef anyway? He was a good contributer to this section.
I'm still here. Just not much of a poster anymore.

Boy was I wrong about the Cavs. Hell we don't need any playoffs this year, we should just try and get lucky in the lottery. I don't see a point in getting Redd. He's too expensive, and we have too many holes to fill to piss it all away on one guy. I'm hoping Joe Johnson(Phoenix) will be available in the offseason. He should come cheaper, and won't worry about being a number 2 man. I'd also like to see Snow and Gooden traded away. Varejao is ready to start, and there are a few hundred guys in the league I'd take over Snow.

I'd also like to see LeBron go back to the point next year. It won't happen because he's 6'8'', but it should. He's the best passer we have, and he needs a lot more opprotunities to find open men to score. If we move LeBron to the 1 spot, then we can take a shooter we get in the offseason and put him in either the 2/3, with either Newble or Pavlovic filling the other spot.

[Pfef63]

What's with these rumors that LeBron might seek a trade in the offseason? You've gotta be kidding me...

[TheDawgPound72]

They aren't rumours....Some douche bag in NY wrote a column on it because they want LeBron to come to NY more than they would want some pussy. LeBron has two years left hear at least, and Dan Gilbert didn't buy the team to have LeBron go one year after he bought it.

[Dual]

Go Sixers!

Man, Snow isn't doing much for you guys is he?

[Pfef63]

Go Sixers!

Man, Snow isn't doing much for you guys is he?
The one thing he is doing is taking up all of Jeff Mcinnis' minutes.

[rcarey]

The one thing he is doing is taking up all of Jeff Mcinnis' minutes.

Maybe that's because J-Mac has began wearing his jersey on backwards during practices. Meaning, the only thing he's concerned about at this point is himself.

By the way: my Pacers win again tonight...into the 5th seed. Can anyone say Rick Carlisle for coach of the year?

[CavsFan23]

Carlisle has done a great job this season well with nothing really. He hasn't had JO Artest and S-Jax for a big chunk of the year. As for us Gilbert screwed us over thanks to his perfect timing of firing Silas and announcing Paxson would be gone(end sarcasm). Thanks to his great moves and our lack of focus we are falling faster every week. But hey I'm a Cleveland fan I'm tough skinned it wouldn't be my first or last major dissappointment...and i'm only 15 :banghead:

[Pfef63]

Maybe that's because J-Mac has began wearing his jersey on backwards during practices. Meaning, the only thing he's concerned about at this point is himself.
Isn't everyone concerned about themselves in the NBA nowadays?

[rcarey]

Isn't everyone concerned about themselves in the NBA nowadays?

Not to the point where they start giggling on the bench while being hammered by 20 points; or disrupting team chemistry at a crucial time by wearing your practice jersey backwards.

It's kind of "Sprewell-esque" if you ask me.

[Pfef63]

He's still helping the team a lot more than Eric Snow

[rcarey]

He's still helping the team a lot more than Eric Snow

Sure, from a statistical standpoint McInnis would seem to be doing a better job. However, by doing that we overlook the intangiables. Snow is not the one destroying team chemistry during a crucial playoff push.

When teams are closing in on the post-season, they need to be focussed on one thing only: winning a championship. If all your players are not striving to achieve the same thing, you're going to fail as a team. That one person can ruin it for everyone.

Sure, in their last 5 games McInnis might be averaging a couple more PPG than Snow...but are those couple extra points worth the distractions and poor team chemistry?

Just my opinion, but when I am going into the post-season, I want a team full of winners dedicated to playing hard.

It kind of reminds me of what happened with Ron Artest last season. Barring key injuries to Jermaine O'Neal and Jamaal Tinsley of course, the team was performing at an exceptional level...until Game 6. Ronnie finally lost it, and smoked Rip Hamilton in the face in the closing minutes, to be followed with a couple ill-advised three pointers. He lost focus...and in those crucial games you need people who you can rely upon.

Even look at this year...before the infamous brawl on 11/19. Ronnie asked to take time off to work on his 'record-label'. What did it do? It disrupted team chemistry. Fortunately, Carlisle took a tough-stance on the issue and suspended Ron a couple games. Carlisle understands the importance of getting your entire team focussed on winning...and only winning. That is obvious right now with the recent play of the Pacers. But then again, we're now comparing Rick Carlisle to Brendan Malone... :lol:

Sorry for using the Pacers as an example...but I always have to bring them up ;)

[mx6driven]

dude leave the Cavs alone asshole!!! Usher is teaching them dancemoves for his next music video!! gosh!! some of you are selfish I tell you.

[rcarey]

dude leave the Cavs alone asshole!!! Usher is teaching them dancemoves for his next music video!! gosh!! some of you are selfish I tell you.

Hmm...watching Zydrunas Ilgauskas in an Usher video is something I'd pay to see.

[whutupTHUG21]

if they miss out on the playoffs again (with lebron)... then thats really really sad

[Nerdcraft]

Hey we've won two in a row without Z...We're still in the playoffs as of now, we'll still be in the playoffs come playoff time...With Z

[Mike From The D]

The #8 seed. first round sweep. better luck next year.

[Nerdcraft]

Ya, I can't wait to watch LeBron keep dropping 45 on Prince all next year...

[Mike From The D]

Yeah 45 might be the magic number, 37 won't cut it :icon_rofl

[TheDawgPound72]

And now we're tied for 8th, with Philly holding the tiebreaker...

[bluesheep]

I was so pissed when Cleveland lost to Detroit yesterday because they gave up the 8th spot to New Jersey, I hate Vince Carter and the Nets with a passion, he fucked over the whole Toronto franchise.

[JerkyMyTurky]

It is "OFFICIAL" The Nets are now hot and the Cavs are not, but if the Nets lose tonight and Cavs win, that will all change. :D

[s3xyjesus]

They should start Varejao

[TheDawgPound72]

He's good coming off the bench, we have Gooden starting at PF and he's a better scorer. As of now, the only downside to Varajeo's game is his free throw shooting.

[s3xyjesus]

I feel like you guys could of been good with drafting Nelson, Telfair or Iggy Dala


Luke Jackson isn't bad at all, i think he can be good, I just believe those guys would be better, and help Lebron a lot

Theres some rumors that your guys might come to my team the Knicks, Big Z and Lebron

Even though I would love that, as an NBA fan it would be sad to see Lebron leave his home because he saved that Franchise from dying and put life back into it

Anyway, I think this team is better for a high lottery pick than Playoffs, you don't want to face the Heat and get completely embarass, leave that to one of my divison rivals, the 76ers or Nets :D

[TheDawgPound72]

The rumors about LeBron leaving are completely untrue. Dan Gilbert wouldn't have invested $375 million in the franchise if he thought he'd have to get rid of his two best players. The only compensation the Knicks could give us would be Jamal Crawford and every 1st round pick they have for the next 10 or so years.

I like Luke Jackson, he just got hurt, and wasn't getting enough playing time as it is. Hopefully, he'll be given a chance to play a lot next year.

[PotIsYourFriend]

Move that team....... LeBron will be leaving when his rookie contract is up......


CHOKE OF THE YEAR, if the Cavs don't make the playoffs.......

[Nerdcraft]

Um...No...There is a team that went to the conference finals last year that is already eliminated from this years playoffs, with the same players also, I'd say that's a bigger choke.

[Mike From The D]

Definately not the choke of the year, the T-wolves, and the Lakers are way worse.............I think the Cavs will still get in, Jersey and the Cavs both play the Celtics, which they should both lose, Jerseys other game is with the Wizards, which they should lose. All the Cavs have to do is beat the Raptors..........Off subject but I just noticed that the CLIP is in front of the Lakers out west, I never thought I'd see the day.

[Mr. Ram]

Definately not the choke of the year, the T-wolves, and the Lakers are way worse.............I think the Cavs will still get in, Jersey and the Cavs both play the Celtics, which they should both lose, Jerseys other game is with the Wizards, which they should lose. All the Cavs have to do is beat the Raptors..........Off subject but I just noticed that the CLIP is in front of the Lakers out west, I never thought I'd see the day.

How are the Lakers a worst choke?

The Lakers lost several key players from last year like Shaq, Fisher, Malone, Payton and not to mention their coach quit on them before mid season.

[Mike From The D]

I suppose your right, I guess they just suck ass.

[JerkyMyTurky]

Nets and Cavs both won big games tonight. It all comes down to the last game of the season.

Nets vs. Celtics
Cavs vs. Raptors

If they both win, the Nets get in despite the same record as the Cavs.
Only way the Cavs get in, is if the Nets lose and they win.

Both teams are on the road...

Nets record on the road... 17 - 23
Cavs record on the road... 12 - 28

Celtics record at home... 27 - 12
Raptors record at home... 22 - 18

New Jersey is 8-2 in their last 10 games, while the Cavs are 4-6 in their last 10 games. Nets are 2-1 this season against the Celtics, the Cavs are also 2-1 against the Raptors.

I think both teams will win and the Nets will get in. I think its more important for the Cavs to get in, they need playoff experience more than they need a draft pick. The Nets probably deserve to be in the playoffs, because they have been busting their asses off for the past 3 weeks to get in. Those 2 games will be big tomorrow night.

[whutupTHUG21]

i hope the cavs win and the nets lose, just to see the cavs get whipped by the heat in the first round... :D :D :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Nerdcraft]

Ya, it's safe to say it really doesn't matter who gets the 8th spot, because either team will be beat. But I think the Cavs just need it so badly just to give us some confidence going into next year knowing we made the playoffs.

[TheDawgPound72]

Go Celtics...

I think I'm going to go throw up

Haha, Paul Pierce, 5 points tonight, but hopefully 40 tomowrow...

[whutupTHUG21]

now whats the deal with the whole two teams having the same record, but one team makes the playoffs and the other doesnt?

[Nerdcraft]

Nets won the season series.

[JerkyMyTurky]

The Most Obnoxious Signature Award goes to....

whutupTHUG21

It's worse than some of the Red Sox fans were when they won the championship last year, but the Heat didn't even win the title yet. It must be the "gloat as much as you can, before we become a loser again" syndrome.

[TheDawgPound72]

Haha, I remember my "YA GOTTA BELIEVE!", even when they were down 3-0 to the Yanks.

[JerkyMyTurky]

Haha, I remember my "YA GOTTA BELIEVE!", even when they were down 3-0 to the Yanks.

The Mets could have pulled off a 3-0 down comeback against the Yanks in the World Series. They were down 3-2 in the series and tied in the bottom of the 9th inning I believe and Kenny "I suck shit everywhere I play, except Texas" Rogers couldn't throw a strike, because he was scared it would get hit. We lose with the winning run being walked in. :banghead:

[piggyman18]

The Cavs will win it all long as they have Tractor fucking Traylor.

[baumy300]

You guys are even going to bother arguing with a guy whos name is "whutupTHUG" ?

Puhhhllllleeasseee............ :rolleyes:

[Pfef63]

Fuck this, Go Pistons.

Im so pissed right now don't expect to see me around here for a while (not that I've been here much recently anyways)

[The Inmate]

The Cavs will win it all long as they have Tractor fucking Traylor.

Yeah I met him before, He really is a fucking tractor traylor.

[YankeesSuck]

I know the Celtics wanted to rest their players, but after all the times the Nets eliminated the celtics from the playoffs, they had a chance tonight if they won, Nets wouldn't make the playoffs. The Cavaliers won too.

[whutupTHUG21]

haha cavs suck... thats a shame :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Now I'm no fan of the Cavaliers (I'm a Pistons man), but they are definitely not overrated. You have to remember that these guys play 82 games. They're gonna be tired some nights.
ur full of shit... face it they blew it.

[PotIsYourFriend]

Move that team....... LeBron will be leaving when his rookie contract is up......


CHOKE OF THE YEAR, if the Cavs don't make the playoffs.......




CHOKE.......................

[TheDawgPound72]

Twolves are definitely choke of the year...We didn't McNabb it, but everyone just hit a wall at the same time (except for LeBron), and we didn't have any shooters (Pavlovic needed more minutes) to make up for it.

[piggyman18]

The choke of the year is being argued and the Lakers have not yet been mentioned? Sure they were expected to do shitty, but the CLIPPERS finished better than them.

[YankeesSuck]

lol why the hell is your sig so big, by the way the Nets are going to beat the Heat in the first round, upset special.

[whutupTHUG21]

lol why the hell is your sig so big, by the way the Nets are going to beat the Heat in the first round, upset special.
upset this... *points to crotch*

[YankeesSuck]

upset this... *points to crotch*

Not too sure whats wrong with Shaq but if he isnt healthy it wont be good, and kidd, carter and if jefferson is at his best, they could be trouble.

[whutupTHUG21]

Not too sure whats wrong with Shaq but if he isnt healthy it wont be good, and kidd, carter and if jefferson is at his best, they could be trouble.
whut happened with shaq is that he got a dead leg from jermaine oneal during a play and the heat administration thought that he should sit the last two games out as a precaution. im 95% sure he will be totally ready to go in the playoffs.

[1996 Mustang gt]

They have nvr been any good lol.....

[PotIsYourFriend]

lol why the hell is your sig so big, by the way the Nets are going to beat the Heat in the first round, upset special.




Please.... A hurt Shaq is better than......Ummmm who is their Center?

[whutupTHUG21]

Please.... A hurt Shaq is better than......Ummmm who is their Center?
now... alonzo morning, who is a solid defender. besides shaq will play the first game of the playoffs, so no worries

[TheDawgPound72]

We fired Paxson and informed Malone he wouldn't be up for the Head Coaching job next year.

Maybe this is the year of Phils, Savage going to the Browns, and Jackson going to the Cavs. :)

Doubt it though, hope we get someone good.

[No-Jokurr]

I always thought they werent going to make the playoffs,
they need a deeper team, LeBron is the only good in Cavs i think...

[TheDawgPound72]

Z's an All Star too..

We also have a lot of young players, guys like Gooden, Varajeo, Pavolvic and Luke Jackson who can step up next year (Gooden did step up this year though, but he should be able to continue on that)

For sure next year, we'll be without J Mac

Z's our other big FA, but I can't see him going anywhere, he's said that he wants to remain a Cav for the rest of his life. Boozer said that too, but Z's not a slimy piece of shit.

[BlCkDeAtH]

Z's not staying
during the meating today he said its a 50/50 chance he'll stay. plus he made it a Point to say that he had a great time under gund but not paxson. hes not comin

I heard that theres a good chance Redd will come to cleve, lets hope he does. alos lets hope the cavs dont become the browns, when theres a new coach almost every year.

[TheDawgPound72]

Z's more likely to stay than Redd is to come here.

Also, the Browns have only had 3 coaches since 1999 (Palmer, Butch, Crennel), while the Cavs have had Fratello, Whitman, Silas, Malone, and I'm pretty sure I'm forgetting someone.

[Nerdcraft]

"We's gotta get the bawl to our biiigs" [/raspy voice]
-Keith Smart

Forgot about Mr. Raspy Voice.