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PresidioJoker
04-01-2005, 01:30 PM
I found this interesting convo on a private message board, which became hijacked into a discussion on Conspiracy Theories. I though I would share some excerpts of it with other's who might find it interesting.
Some of the information is very thought provoking. Espeically with regards to the FDA, Aspertame, Splenda, and Olean.
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POST ORIGNIATOR:
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How sweet it is
Kids crunch some low-sugar cereals to test new tastes
By Bonnie S. Benwick
Of The Washington Post
Conscientious parents, or guilt-ridden ones, sent the word to major cereal manufacturers not too long ago: Make our kids' favorites with half the sugar, please.
Kellogg, General Mills and Post Cereals responded last year by reformulating a few of their most popular sweetened brands in two basic ways: They each cut back on the amount of sugar per serving, and some began using sucralose, with the trade name Splenda, the newest sugar substitute... (ABBREVIATED)
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CONSPIRACY BUFF's RESPONSE:
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Oh yeah... why don't we just feed our children RAT POISON, for f***'s sake.
http://www.holisticmed.com/splenda/
Quote from above link:
As Dr. Janet Hull writes in her July newsletter, eating sucralose--brand name Splenda--is like ingesting tiny amounts of chlorinated pesticides. If this sounds unappealing to you, it certainly doesn't to Splenda's marketing team, who say they've "done a great job of redefining sweetness."
Splenda, which was approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in 1988 as a tabletop sweetener and sweetener for an array of other products, is a chlorocarbon. Chlorocarbons are known to cause organ, genetic and reproductive damage, which may explain why Splenda has been found to shrink the thymus gland--a foundation of the immune system--by 40 percent.
According to Dr. Hull, sucralose also causes:
Swelling of the liver and kidneys
Calcification of the kidney
Fertility issues in male rates
Gastrointestinal problems in pregnant rats
One would think we would have learned our lesson from ASPARTAME...
http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/aspartame.html
Quote from above link:
Aspartame accounts for over 75 percent of the adverse reactions to food additives reported to the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Many of these reactions are very serious including seizures and death as recently disclosed in a February 1994 Department of Health and Human Services report.(1) A few of the 90 different documented symptoms listed in the report as being caused by aspartame include:
Headaches/migraines, dizziness, seizures, nausea, numbness, muscle spasms, weight gain, rashes, depression, fatigue, irritability, tachycardia, insomnia, vision problems, hearing loss, heart palpitations, breathing difficulties, anxiety attacks, slurred speech, loss of taste, tinnitus, vertigo, memory loss, and joint pain.
According to researchers and physicians studying the adverse effects of aspartame, the following chronic illnesses can be triggered or worsened by ingesting of aspartame:(2)
Brain tumors, multiple sclerosis, epilepsy, chronic fatigue syndrome, parkinson's disease, alzheimer's, mental retardation, lymphoma, birth defects, fibromyalgia, and diabetes.
Aspartame is made up of three chemicals: Aspartic acid, phenylalanine, and methanol. The book, Prescription for Nutritional Healing, by James and Phyllis Balch, lists aspartame under the category of "chemical poison." As you shall see, that is exactly what it is.
Oh... and lest we forget about that wonderful colon cleansing product WOW - OLEAN - OLESTRA...
http://cspinet.org/new/200307151.html
http://cspinet.org/new/200410251.html
http://cspinet.org/new/olestrapr_041602.html
http://www.cspinet.org/olestra/11cons.html
The FDA is a f**king joke.
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PresidioJoker
04-01-2005, 01:33 PM
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ANNONYMOUS RESPONDANT #1:
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if it’s unhealthy for their children, why buy it in the first place?
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CONSPIRACY BUFF'S RESPONSE:
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It’s complicated. It’s mostly because Americans have been trained by our government to no longer comprehend the concept of self-control or limitation. The media (basically controlled by the government) convinces people that miracles are possible if you only trust in US... ((Buy this)).
The government lulls its people into believing that BIG DADDY is going to watch over us from the White House and keep us safe. Never question the authority figure because you are too childlike to understand and witness such things. (Here’s a dollar, now go buy yourself a lollipop and let Big Daddy work.)
So, each time the government has put all our worries to rest, the media will Baby-sit us until the government can find a use for us again.
Only, the government really doesn't need us much at all. As a matter of fact, they would prefer if we just play nicely and leave all the details to the Big Boys. That way, they can manipulate everything to their advantage while we "LOOK OVER THERE!!!!"
The media distracts us from the business at hand and lets us focus on us. (((Egocentricity is good))) Who am I? What do I want? Our Media molds us... and shapes us into good little consumers... which really isn't that bad if you don't think about it. Except that it’s only an illusion.
Most of us have nothing and will never have anything other than what we can earn with our blood sweat and tears. But the Media tells us that "the sun will come out tomorrow... bet your bottom dollar blahbhahblah" That is the subtle form of mass brainwashing that our perverse Political Parents use. The government makes certain that you can't afford anything, and then shows you a world where you can have everything... it's a lovely dream world, where the problems of others make our own seem trivial... they give us hope that we too, can have everything that could ever want just as long as we (((DO THIS))). We have fallen to the point where we actually live for our Media.
Let me tell you, Nanny Media is such a wonderful friend. Even the loneliest most anti-social wretch is accepted by the Media. It manipulates our desires and stimulate our fantasies... whispering that this will make you beautiful and that will make rich... and I really love you (((Item Bought))) How can something that makes us feel so good in a world so bleak and filled with government sponsored frustration... be anything but good? The government would never lie to us. Why would it ever do that to us? We always do exactly as were told... There is this TRUST that we have built up generation after generation... and the government would never break that Trust for its own selfish purposes... To even THINK something like that is treasonous.
We have all, at one time or another been convinced that everything is just fine... except that most of us know that something is just not right with this picture... and just don't feel comfortably distracted by the "Nanny".
Most of us have only been waking up since the "infamous date" in 2001 and we've only just begun to realize just how much we've missed while our backs were turned. Many of us are still unsure of all of the details and are finding it very difficult to TRUST anyone or anything ...anymore.
Except for us...(((egocentricity actually can be good at times)))... So we start trusting in our instincts again... Then we start asking questions and The Media tries to put us back in our place... (((FEAR))) (((Confusion))) ...whatever the Media can come up with to gain our attention again.
Focus on the Media Circus and don't pay attention to that Political Agenda over there.
LOOK!!!! SCANDAL!!!!... (((Rules changed to accommodate Big Business...and fuck the people!!!!!)))
So maybe the government and big business think, how about if we make them focus on their own health? (((Money changes hands))) FDA approves Aspartame, Olestra, and Splenda (wow, what a beautiful name... and the commercial is so convincing... It will make me happy... gimmie that!!!!)
They slip it into our diet slowly over time... we don't notice anything different while we participate in our Media Approved activities... Then the health problems start, it comes on slow because you have no idea that you are filling your body with toxins. Kidneys fail early; cancer hits you out of nowhere, what brain tumor?
We panic! We know it’s useless to try and talk with Daddy and the Big Boys because they are far too busy to be concerned with us. So we turn to our Nanny to heal us. We ASK... and we receive. Whatever it is we want, the Media will pacify us.
Are you so obese that you can't leave your house? Don't worry; Media will make everything all better...
(((THERE)))
Want to lose weight just by thinking about it? (((BLING))) There it is! "THINK THIN!" Just a phone call away! (((BUY NOW - while supplies last! No pressure... really!)))
See, now you can even lose weight on your way to (((Golden Light))) McDonalds (((Choir of Angels...don't forget to SuperSize))). Here you can buy all sorts of FDA approved "food" that is sooooo tasty and full of lovely, addictive and harmful chemicals... Guaranteed to keep you coming back for more.... the vicious cycle continues
Maybe I'm just in a Conspiracy Theory kinda mood because I just finished another Dan Brown novel... or maybe it has something to do with the miraculous recovery I am making from my chronic digestive tract illnesses that I've suffered from for over 16 years.
Diagnosis? TOXINS. Even still, nearly a year later, I absolutely reek of them... albiet, way less than before. We have finally found an incredibly successful way of purging them... slowly but surely from my system. I'm hoping for a full recovery... but after nearly two decades of false hopes, and bizarre diets, and colonoscopies, a cornucopia of tests... innumerable diagnoses... and plethora of prescription drugs... all causing a phenomenal range of nasty side effects... but only in laboratory rats (((... but we all know that "They" would never use something like this on us... they have our complete TRUST.))) ...I certainly have my doubts.
Disclaimer: IMO... of course... ONLY IMO
Does that help to answer your question?
PresidioJoker
04-01-2005, 01:33 PM
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ANNONYMOUS RESPONDANT #1
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What is hard to understand for me, is the lack of responsibility a lot of people seem to take for their own lifes
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CONSPIRACY BUFF's RESPONSE:
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The Government and Media encourages this "environment" because it is so much easier to manipulate us that way.
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ANNONYMOUS RESPONDANT #1
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I’ve noticed that USA - and therefore Americans as an extension of that - is not having much respect in Europe anymore...
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CONSPIRACY BUFF's RESPONSE:
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Very sad but unfortunately true. I usually tell people that I'm from Canada... just to avoid the stigma...
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ANNONYMOUS RESPONDANT #1
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that sucks that you have to pretend to be from somewhere else.
OK ***... so we both like Dan Brown and conspiracy theories, so here's one for you:
The Catholic Church has been the head of the dominating political force of Christianity for the past 2000 years. It is aware that it is antiquated and has even named it's own successors... The Illuminati - Who have always been Intelligent and Enlightened men and women who have questioned the ultimate wisdom of the Catholic Church.
Witches, Satan Worshipers, Illuminati... all of these labels were created by the Catholic Church to defame anyone who might challenge their supreme rule. People like Martin Luther, Galileo, Christopher Columbus... and far too many others to even name.
America was the obvious choice for the Base Camp of the Illuminati because it could be well hidden under the voluminous folds of a Religious Cloak. How could I possibly know this? Well, our Founding Fathers left us a huge clue... waiting... for the moment that we are ready to comprehend it.
IN GOD WE TRUST
(PICTURE OF THE GREAT SEAL)
The god of the Illuminati MUST be money because MONEY = POWER
(PICTURE OF THE BACK OF A US DOLLAR)
It is the only strategy which can force their enemy to surrender.
Right now we are stuck in the middle of a raging tug of war for the Primary Force of Power over this world. We must cease being PAWNS of the powerful and radical Religious-Political Right.
The Church is using absolutely everything in its weaning power to influence a comeback... the young and more powerful challenger will eventually conquer the archaic system. If not today... then tomorrow... it is INEVITABLE. For as each Enlightened Converts throws off the chains of the old oppressor... the number of the opposition loses its tenuous hold on its flock.
Those of us who are shown the Path of Enlightenment hold it so dear that nothing short of the Global Destruction of the world would force us to go back into the mind numbing shadows of oblivion.
Let us make no mistake... absolutely no system is without flaws. As each new age comes to pass those flaws begin to appear and in time the Nemesis will arise... because that which is flawed will be replaced... It is EVOLUTION.
The Illuminati successors will fail one day too... It will take nothing less than the absolute eradication of the Illuminati GOD.
The Destruction of all Money Systems... And then the vicious cycle will begin once again.
Who are the ILLUMINATI? The term means Enlightened One... who could be any man or woman who is Enlightened, Intelligent, and Cognizant of the "BIG PICTURE" ... Which is the underlying force and undeniable force of Evolution.
Look around. Watch for the signs. Listen to our instincts for they are our only hope... The Last Pope is on the throne... We ARE the IlluminatUS... the Enlightened Ones... and we've been Called to Arms in a War of Shifting Power being played out on Legal and Financial Battlefields and in Media Wars and in Healthcare. It is happening as we speak.
We must be victorious or Evolution will grind to a halt.
That which does not EVOLVE faces EXTINCTION.
OPRRESSION THROUGH BRUTAL VIOLENCE IS THEIR TOOL!! – OURS IS SUPERIOR KNOWLEDGE... ENLIGHTENMENT!!!
WAKE UP!! And shake off the oppressive chains of the Religious Foundation!!!
Take up the Battle Cry!! VICTORY OR DEATH!!!
The Formula for 23 IS: 10 = The Wheel of Fortune + 13 = The Death Card = CHANGE
WW III
2 3
The End
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The Last Pope thing was from Nostradamus... I thought it would add a really nice occult touch and cover all the bases. Oh, and I threw in some Numerology and Tarot too... just for a laugh.
It really does come across as way too fanatical... but those kinds of stories always do. I guess that's what makes them so compelling.
So, what do you think? Would Mr. Brown be able to work his magic and transform this idea into a believable novel?
PresidioJoker
04-01-2005, 01:35 PM
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ANNONYMOUS RESPONDANT #2
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That eye floating over the pyramid is a Masonic symbol, and the Star of David on the other half of the back of the dollar is no coincidence, either. There is a big struggle going on for global supremacy, and no, it's not being fought on the battlefields of desert and forest. Those are the battles of national subjugation. The global supremacy war is being fought on Wall Street and at the Federal Reserve.
I don't think I've read anything specifically by Dan Brown. I've only read non-fiction about worldwide conspiracy
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CONSPIRACY BUFF'S RESPONSE:
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There are many who argue that beneath his prose lie the bare bones of truth... which has been strengthened mainly because The Catholic Church and CERN have both taken such public notice of him.
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ANNONYMOUS RESPONDANT #2
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OK, what's CERN?
Don't you think if he were really close, big and powerful conglomerates wouldn't confirm or deny what he has to say? Wouldn't they just ignore him?
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CONSPIRACY BUFF'S RESPONSE:
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Not if they were either afraid, or wished to use this issue to stimulate public awareness.
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CERN
The world's largest particle physics laboratory
... where the web was born!
http://public.web.cern.ch/Public/Welcome.html
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ANNONYMOUS RESPONDANT #2
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Not if they were either afraid, or wished to stimulate awareness.
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CERN
The world's largest particle physics laboratory
... where the web was born!
http://public.web.cern.ch/Public/Welcome.html
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CONSPRIACY BUFF:
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Are you familiar at all with the stories
Angels & Demons
or
The DaVinci Code
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ANNONYMOUS RESPONDANT #2
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No...no, I'm not. I'm going to read all about it now, though.
I know who Dan Brown is now. I read The DaVinci Code a couple of years ago. When I read it, I thought it was Conspiracy Theory Light designed to reach mass markets. It seems to have done that. I thought of it as the literary equivalent of a microwave dinner. Yes, it's edible, and yes, it'll keep you alive, but it's devoid of all the things that make good food a pleasure.
I still enjoyed the novel quite a bit, even though, having been into conspiracy theory since I read Holy Blood, Holy Grail back in '90, I saw all of his big surprises and puzzle solutions well in advance. It was a good read...a lot of fun and all, but I fear it did give a lot of readers a false impression.
Comparing that novel to your own non-fiction reading, what's your opinion?
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CONSPIRACY BUFF'S RESPONSE:
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Quote from RESPONDANT #2:
thought of it as the literary equivalent of a microwave dinner. Yes, it's edible, and yes, it'll keep you alive, but it's devoid of all the things that make good food a pleasure.
I'm sure you did... but as you said... you realized that It's intended audience was not you and seems to have been designed as a "light" for the masses. (((true))).
The ideas behind the books have been a phenomenal success... and it could quite probably stoke many newly enlightened minds into ground fertile for action.
...If one were so inclined.
http://public.web.cern.ch/Public/Content/Chapters/Spotlight/SpotlightAandD-en.html
LINKS:
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Da+Vinci+Code+Catholic+Church&ei=UTF-8&fr=slv1-msgr&fl=0&x=wrt
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Dan+Brown+Angels+%26+Demons&ei=UTF-8&fr=slv1-msgr&fl=0&x=wrt
PresidioJoker
04-01-2005, 01:38 PM
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CONSPIRACY BUFF - ADDITIONAL COMMENT
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CERN was spotlighted in the book Angels & Demons. Its premise is that the war between the Catholic Church and the Illuminati come to a head when a large quantity of highly volitile anti-mater is stolen from CERN in Switzerland and planted like a bomb in the Vatican to destroy the College of Cardinals as they vote on the election of the NEXT POPE.
It's a very interesting read. Though it is, of course, full of fantasy interlaced with historical facts, symbolism, and conspiracies... just as any good novel should be.
There seems to be the crux of the public conflicts though with the The Catholic Church attempting high profile tactics to discredit Brown and lead the swayed back home, and with CERN spotlighting the Angels & Demons book to stimulate interest in Science.
Quote from RESPONDANT #2:
Comparing that novel to your own non-fiction reading, what's your opinion?
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CONSPIRACY BUFF'S RESPONSE:
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The facts he uses are very compelling and he weaves just the right blend of fact and fiction to keep the novel moving at an enthralling pace.
All and all, I think he is a genius at sewing seeds in the minds of the masses through his writing, be it simply for entertainment purposes and financial gain and/or for some subliminal suggestions which practically guarantee it's continued popularity for generations to come.
It has, therefore, been a definite success by all accounts.
The question is, can one person direct the growing fertile soil of Conspiracy Believers and stimulate them into a viable army ready for action... with an action as simple as the click of a button?
FAMOUS Quote:
The flapping of a single butterfly's wing today produces a tiny change in the state of the atmosphere. Over a period of time, what the atmosphere actually does diverges from what it would have done. So, in a month's time, a tornado that would have devastated the Indonesian coast doesn't happen. Or maybe one that wasn't going to happen, does. (Ian Stewart, Does God Play Dice? The Mathematics of Chaos, pg. 141)
FAMOUS Quote:
"Not only does God play dice, but he sometimes throws them where they cannot be seen."
-- Stephen Hawking
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Now, all we need to do is redefine God... just as we've done countless times before:
http://www.highiqsociety.org/common/iqmag/200501/index.htm
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Jonestown: The Perception of Mass Suicide with Hysteria
By Clyde H. Hedgcoth, Jr., M.Ed
Branch Davidians. Heaven's Gate. Images associated with these names raise some of the most fundamental and perplexing questions of our time. How is it that a person can join a group, submit to punishment for the smallest infraction, and still profess loyalty and allegiance to that establishment? Why do otherwise decent, well-meaning parents allow their children to be used as sexual objects for the person who is head of such an organization? Why is it that so many follow the leads of those who have fallen by the wayside? Why does cult-like behavior continue?
Jonestown, led by Jim Jones, certainly represents a turning point in the group behavior and public perception of extremist religions, much as the more recent examples mentioned above. More than 900 souls proceeded to lay down their lives for their "father." There were many kinds of abuse - physical, sexual, and mental - at Jonestown. As with all the other religious operations that become extreme, Jones started out on a well-meaning and good-natured role of recovery, rehabilitation, and resurrection of lost and wayward souls.
What was it that interested me in Jonestown? First and foremost, even before I decided to study to be a psychologist, I wanted to understand the reasoning behind people's actions. I have always been interested in serial killers and other aberrations of society, as well as mental illnesses and the possibilities of a cure. I do believe, as Freud stated, that the unconscious is the major motivational factor for what is actually shown "outside" a person, that is, the conscious. It is easy to see, for instance, why a mother would steal a loaf of bread for her starving children. They are hungry. But why would a person kill, lead others to commit murders, rape and other criminalities? Is there a "wiring problem" in that person's inner being, or is it the power aspect? It would be beneficial to the world if we could get rid of all murderers, all manipulators, and all those people who make the rest of us lock our doors and windows at night, who will not allow us to let our children go outside to play without being chained to us at the hip.
When it came to requesting Jonestown tapes, I thought I could find what I was looking for in a tape of Congressman Leo Ryan addressing the Jonestown community on the evening of November 17, and the actual death tape. I wanted to hear the final moments of Jonestown. I do not want to upset or aggravate you with that comment, but to me, listening to the final moments of Jonestown is much like being able to go back and witness a murder after it happened, and to decide who did it and why. I found it amazing that, even though the people of Jonestown had been told there was an option of escape to the Soviet Union, they would not even allow the subject to be brought up more than twice after Jones himself knocked it down. Residents were so enthralled with Jones that hardly any of them could believe that his seemingly inexplicable dismissal of that promise had anything to do with his dream of a martyrdom.
Today we watch television and movies and become accustomed over time to more blood and gore. The same applied to the followers of Jim Jones. If Jones started out with a light punishment for stealing food - a few hours in the sensory deprivation box, for example - the miscreant, as well as the observers, would more likely accept it. Administer the same punishment for the same crime - but increase the amount of time - and no one would notice. Months later, long periods in the box and other deprivation tools, such as drugs, would sometimes not seem to be enough.
Psychology of human beings has always been the same. If a person sees a group of others accepting something, he or she is more likely to accept and go along with what has happened. Thirty-eight people witnessed the murder of Kitty Genovese one night in 1964, and no one did anything to stop it. In my opinion, the same thing happened in Jonestown: 900 people witnessed their families, children, friends being "murdered," and the protest amounted to a single shouted-down dissent.
In my mind, it was murder, not suicide. While not exactly committed in the right frame of mind, suicide usually occurs because of feelings that the person has from inside them, not transplanted into them by another person. For instance, Bob at work can tell you that you are fat, and that might lead you over time to kill yourself. But, if you believe it yourself - that you are fat - then that is considered more suicidal. However, if Bob helps starve you to death so you can lose weight, that is considered murder on Bob's part. Jones did the same thing. He told the people what they wanted to hear - that he would always protect them, care for them, and love them - then he would have sex with them, punish them, and treat them badly, and the ideals were so ingrained inside the parishioners that they refused to leave.
All of us - Ph.D. candidates, trash collectors, schoolteachers, preachers, biologists, and songwriters -can say that we are too smart, too strong in our own thoughts to ever be brainwashed and brought into a cult or exhibit a Stockholm Syndrome. Strip away the foundations of our world, such as a comfortable home, a reliable means of transportation, and a cushy office job, and send us to a place where we cannot change - or even challenge - the rules and boundaries of our new environment, change our ideals, habits, and mindset over time, and anyone can be converted. Minor conversions happen all the time, and all over the world. If Tina keeps missing her curfew after dates, her parents may ground her. After a certain number of groundings, Tina will start coming in on time, or even earlier. If Ted flunks his Statistics test, and his parents take away his car for a month, Ted might learn how to study more and receive a passing grade on his next test and get his car back. These "conversions" happen all the time. They just usually are not life-threatening or long-lasting.
Unfortunately, for those 900 in Jonestown, we cannot go back and change the conditions or the circumstances or the leadership or the outcome. Hopefully, though, the study of what happened at Jonestown - as partially revealed in these tapes - can help us find a "cure" to the mania of mentally unstable cult leaders
PresidioJoker
04-01-2005, 01:41 PM
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CONSPIRACY BUFF's COMMENT:
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Unstable CULT = RELIGION = RELIGIOUS RIGHT = BUSH... who is being "led" by the Illuminati to decimate the credibility and crack the foundation of Christianity... from the inside out.
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I`ve read both Angels & Demons, and The DaVinci Code and I agree with what you said about them.
And I do think the Catholic Church, have done and STILL do, whatever possible to maintain their power. And since they can`t really go on mad killing sprees anymore, like the crusades or the witch hunts, they instead do it by covering up & bluring whatever truth they don`t find appropriate... And since the Vatican has vast amounts of money, and sits on a sizeable fortune, they can easily convince non-religious groups to support their causes.
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CONSPIRACY BUFF'S RESPONSE
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Quote from RESPONDANT #1:
And since they can`t really go on mad killing sprees anymore, like the crusades or the witch hunts,...
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CONSPIRACY BUFF'S RESPONSE:
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Now try telling that to the Moral Majority and the Bush administration.
Darkview
04-01-2005, 02:29 PM
Have you read the forum rules about double posting?
You just like posted 10 times in a row
Chewy
04-01-2005, 02:30 PM
Have you read the forum rules about double posting?
You just like posted 10 times in a row
I was thinking the same thing..
EDIT: We have a conspiracy theorist already on this board, what we need is a cross dressing egomaniac with Crone’s disease. If you fit that bill then cool if not we may have to vote you off on the next tribal council. :D
hey if only 1 conspiracy nut is allowed maybe we should also allow only 1 canadian.;)
i have never heard you complain when a canadian joined the forum.
and what is the topic of this thread illumnati, brainwashing through the media or shit in our food ?
Chewy
04-01-2005, 03:29 PM
hey if only 1 conspiracy nut is allowed maybe we should also allow only 1 canadian.;)
i have never heard you complain when a canadian joined the forum.
Just try to keep the spot light on you my good man.
Nocturnal
04-01-2005, 03:35 PM
that really isn't double posting,
double posting is responding back to back
sometimes it is more visually appealing to read several posts instead of one huge one
in any case I would rather have a double poster on the board who can string together more than 4 words than some of the goofballs we have here
metalhead666
04-01-2005, 04:45 PM
It's not the government that is controling the kids, It's the aliens that probe you and the Illuminati and the secret hidden reace 75 feet underground waiting for their revenge while they control the whithouse while being controlled by aliens that are doing the brin washing, silly silly theory ont his board.
Darkview
04-01-2005, 04:46 PM
maybe we shouldnt allow anyone from the neatherlands
I was thinking the same thing..
EDIT: We have a conspiracy theorist already on this board, what we need is a <a style='text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 3px double;' href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=23&k=cross%20dressing" onmouseover="window.status='cross dressing'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">cross dressing</a> egomaniac with Crone’s disease. If you fit that bill then cool if not we may have to vote you off on the next tribal council. :D
Gimme the weekend and I'll see what I can do about the cross-dressing egomaniac with Crone's. While the cross-dressing is covered, I'm gonna need some limes, a tube of lip balm and a paper clip.
Seriosuly, at least this guy seems to be able to type coherently which automatically makes him better than 75% of the people who register here.
If he can type, he can read. And if he can read, he can read the rules.
gigatonblast
04-02-2005, 03:37 AM
EDIT: We have a conspiracy theorist already on this board, what we need is a cross dressing egomaniac with Crone’s disease.
Do want me to wear that "special" outfit you got me at Fredricks ....while I crap myself silly ?
American Infidel
04-02-2005, 03:56 AM
All good points.
Anybody remember the declassified info stating the government conducted plutonium experiments on blacks in the 50's?
And another conspiracy theory...I remember as a teenager, watching the Phil Donahue show (I know, I'm old) and his guest was a woman who wrote a book about the AIDS virus.
She claimed that she was once a scientist for the government and blew the lid on the government's role on the virus.
According to her, the government secretly created a virus for bio-warfare and needed to test it. A C-130 flew over an island close to Haiti and dropped either a mist or a powder on the island to later investigate how the local wildlife reacted to it. The prevailing winds drove it onto the island of Haiti, she reported, and infected the people an animals there.
At the end of the show, Phil mentioned a book that she'd written and I, being highly inquisitive, wrote down her name and the title of her book. I went to the bookstore in town a week or so later and asked if they had her book or could order it. The clerk did a search on her computer and said it was out of print. And I've never heard a word from that lady or her book since, though I've since forgotten her name and the title of her book.
Not saying I believe, with absolute conviction, that these are all true. I'm way too tired to google any of it, so maybe I can contribute more tomorrow.
Goodnight and don't let the black helicopters take you away.
¤Dons an aluminum foil helmet¤
metalhead666
04-02-2005, 05:03 AM
Oh, and I forgot the aliens are being controlle dby a fat guy named carl.
PresidioJoker
04-02-2005, 11:55 AM
Believe it or not, there is actually a method behind my madness.
Now that I have your attention, please forgive my methods. In a world of infinite dramas, these seem to be the tactics necessary to assure any interest in a post, especially when you are a Noob. It often doesn’t work, so please let me thank you for taking the time to reply. Bad publicity is usually the very best publicity but I assure you that post is not intended as SPAM.
I am actually the Conspiracy Buff in those posts and I simply posted this everywhere as a way to contact others who have suffered the way I have. For 16 years I have been through constant pain as my digestive system became diseased and began to shut down.
I have been to every doctor and specialist available, and have had every conceivable treatment… but through the entire process, I received not one tiny speck of useful assistance. They tried to put me on every damn medicine they could possibly think of. The last one, Wellbutrin, had so many side effects that they were nearly impossible to list. As weak as my system was by that time, I would most likely have succumbed to the worst of them. I thank the information available from Internet and common sense that never took that last one.
When I moved to Europe last year, I swear to all that is honest and pure that I went through WITHDRAWLS and nearly died. My digestive system shut down almost completely, I couldn't move my bowels even once a week, and my urine was florescent orange and smelled of rot, I was full of toxins and was slowly poisoning myself from the inside out.
The most dangerous of all was that I was severely dehydrated. A human being needs at LEAST 3 liters of water each and EVERY DAY. That does not include useless crap like soda as it does absolutely nothing for hydration. I had to perform a liver flush using extra virgin olive oil and fresh lemon juice - strait. It is a very harsh process to go through but I found it absolutely necessary and found it to be a very effective beginning to my intestinal purge. I then used Sodium Bicarbonate and a strict diet of liquids only for one week and increased my water intake to at least 4 Liters a day. Then I found the most wonderful and helpful ingredient to date. Flax seeds (Linseed). This is one of those Power foods they always talk about. You can get the seeds at any self respecting health food store, and they aren't even expensive. They only need to be freshly ground before you use them because they are indigestible if you don't crush them. Also, the beneficial aspects of the plant rapidly become rancid if not used immediately after grinding. I use a cheap coffee grinder to turn them into powder right before adding them to a really delicious smoothie that I make... every morning. (Recipe available upon request)
Within the last 4 months, since I started this treatment, I have lost over 30 pounds without starving or, anything more than light exercise. I have experienced no more migraines to date, and I feel incredible. My mind has more clarity than it has ever had, I have more energy, my sex drive is beginning to improve, and I'm happier than I've been in 16 years. Just try to imagine if you or a loved one had to suffer that kind of pain... I’ve lost so many years of my life to a chronic but curable illness. If I had found just one person to give me sound advice, I would not have spent so much time being cheated out of my health. This is my ultimate goal, to share this knowledge with others so that they may also utilize it to try and shake the oppressive chains of chronic illness.
If only one of you sees this and knows someone who is suffering from chronic digestive problems... please let them know that they don't have to buy into all the shit that everyone is selling. Medicines are full of unnecessary crap that most of us don't need and many of can’t even tolerate. The above system worked for me... and I am not trying to BUY or SELL anything here. This is just a free exchange of experiential information.
We need to stop letting the Medical industry foist these pharmaceutical scams on us through inaccurate and high pressure marketing strategies… all with the goal to make us lifetime clients… and just like the tobacco industry and schoolyard drug dealers, they've been targeting us since our youth. McDonalds is absolute shit and so are most products we shove down our throats is filled with FDA approved chemicals that are more harmful than they are worth. Maybe most of you aren't as biologically sensitive as I am, and maybe you won't have any problems, but are we willing to take that risk the health of our children.
All fun and games aside, we need to stop poisoning ourselves now.
Before you dismiss this out of hand... Please think about yourself and your loved ones and take this sound advice to heart. Give it a try, and if it doesn't work, you have nothing to lose... except your suffering.
Maverick
04-02-2005, 12:06 PM
The last one, Wellbutrin, had so many side effects that they were nearly impossible to list.
Wellbutrin is an antidepressant medication.
All good points.
Anybody remember the declassified info stating the government conducted plutonium experiments on blacks in the 50's?
And another conspiracy theory...I remember as a teenager, watching the Phil Donahue show (I know, I'm old) and his guest was a woman who wrote a book about the AIDS virus.
She claimed that she was once a scientist for the government and blew the lid on the government's role on the virus.
According to her, the government secretly created a virus for bio-warfare and needed to test it. A C-130 flew over an island close to Haiti and dropped either a mist or a powder on the island to later investigate how the local wildlife reacted to it. The prevailing winds drove it onto the island of Haiti, she reported, and infected the people an animals there.
At the end of the show, Phil mentioned a book that she'd written and I, being highly inquisitive, wrote down her name and the title of her book. I went to the bookstore in town a week or so later and asked if they had her book or could order it. The clerk did a search on her computer and said it was out of print. And I've never heard a word from that lady or her book since, though I've since forgotten her name and the title of her book.
Not saying I believe, with absolute conviction, that these are all true. I'm way too tired to google any of it, so maybe I can contribute more tomorrow.
Goodnight and don't let the black helicopters take you away.
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I have to agree, that's interesting but untrue. If the powder/mist they sprayed was HIV it could not have infected anything because HIV ia not airborne, it can't survive that way. It would have had to have been injected straight into the blood stream of the test subjects (if that be the case). Plus the government would have known well enough by that time to compensate for the wind so they would have prevented it hitting Haiti.
PresidioJoker
04-02-2005, 12:25 PM
Wellbutrin is an antidepressant medication.
You are absolutely right, which is why I didn't even bother taking it. By that time they were really reaching.
[url]http://www.wellbutrin-side-effects.net/[url]
Side Effects:
Wellbutrin Side Effects
Some side effects from Wellbutrin/bupropion are common:
drowsiness
weakness or tiredness
excitement or anxiety
dry mouth
insomnia
nightmares
change in appetite or weight
Tell your doctor if any of these Wellbutrin symptoms are severe or do not go away:
frequent urination
difficulty urinating
constipation
blurred vision
change in sex drive or ability
excessive sweating
headaches
If you experience any of the following Wellbutrin symptoms, call your doctor immediately:
seizures or tremors
loss of coordination
fever
severe skin rash
itching
hives
chest pain
shortness of breath
muscle or joint pain
yellowing of the skin or eyes
irregular heartbeat
Wellbutrin Overdose
Symptoms of Wellbutrin overdose may include:
difficulty breathing or swallowing
dizziness
fainting
shakiness
sweating
confusion
blurred vision
seizure
seeing things or hearing voices that do not exist (hallucinating)
loss of consciousness
rapid or pounding hearbeat
blurred vision
lightheadedness
confusion
lack of energy
upset stomach
jitteriness
I experience those side effects after a sudafed.
Wellbutrin is an antidepressant medication.
Sort of. Wellbutrin isn't actually an anti-depressant, it's just a drug that alters your neurotransmitters. On it's own, it's not an anti-depressant; in conjunction with a positive attitude or psychotherapy it is though. You can take Wellbutrin for almost anything you want to stop doing, because it works on will power and your own inherent desires. Recently it's been used as a stop-smoking aid. They call it Zyban, or Ziban - something like that.
A lot of people, not just citizens but MD's too, think that once you start taking Wellbutrin your problem will go away - and that's bullshit. You need to address the problems at the core. It's like taking Tylenol for a broken bone - sure it might relieve some of the pain, but it's just going to keep coming back until you patch things up on the inside.
Which is why, I think, these drugs are so heavily pushed and marketed. Psychotherapy and introspection can, definitely, assuage the source problems, be it depression or some forms of mania - but these manmade drugs can't. Of course, once a person is "cured", there's nothing to sell them. That might be why few people are overcoming depression; it's because they're only doing half the work.
Last summer something in my brain malfunctioned; which I think turned out to be a positive thing. When it happened, my doctor pushed a Valium-dreivative onto me and asked me to take them whenever I felt the need to. I took one a day or so after I got them, and none since. To me it's just another recreational drug - it changes your perception; it tells you what's good, what's bad, what's netural; and it doesn't let you have a say in the things at all.
Growing up I watched my mother take too many anti-depressant. She was like a robot; she'd have a smile on her face when there was nothing to smile about; she was making these stupid "Stepford Wives" type comments about cheerfulness or being happy, and it was a bugger to watch. In order to experience life, I think you need to take the good with the bad. When we take drugs that inhibit negative thoughts or bouts of sadness, we're essentially cutting parts of life of from experience, and we're putting up blinders, so to speak.
It's a common perception nowadays that happiness and sadness are opposites, but I just don't see it that way. I mean, in both cases you are feeling something - so I'd say the opposite would be neturality, and that's a fuckload worse. Imagine if there's nothing to experience, nothing to take in, nothing to give out - that would be torture.
And that's what these "anti-depressant" medication do - they fuck your emotional wellbeing up to unimaginable heights. They tell your brain what happiness is, instead of letting you figure that out for yourself. It's bullshit. A pill doesn't know what happiness is; only you can figure that out for yourself. No one should be taking pills to tell how to think or what to feel. If you're depressed, use introspection to figure out why, then correct it. Using anti-dpressants is like using a microwave to cook dinner: sure it gets things done, but the results are shit, and you'll just end up feeling sicker afterwards.
As for my mother; she’s since reduced her intake of anti-depressant medication by leaps and bounds, and has been smoking more pot. As a result she’s fitter, happier, and more productive – to steal a phrase. Some might say she’s just replaced one crutch with another; and yeah, I guess she has – but pot is like Wellbutrin and psychotherapy rolled into one. It gives you the positive boost that an anti-depressant does, and it turns you into your own psychoanalysis.
Fuck, no wonder that shit’s illegal. If people were able to smoke a joint, figure out there problems, fix them, and move on – what would happen to Zanax, Prozac, Wellbutrin, or whatever other bullshit solution is being tossed towards us? I can truthfully say, that have delved deep into both medical and recreational drugs, the side-effects are far less harmful from our God given plants and creatures. Nature's had millions of years to better itself; and frankly, I'd trust rather trust Gaia with my well-being as opposed to a laboratory.
PresidioJoker
04-02-2005, 12:51 PM
I experience those side effects after a sudafed.
seizures or tremors
... and if the sudafed doesn't help you then all you have succeeded in doing is creating additional problems for your system.
The digestive system is absolutely vital to our physical and mental health. I'm sure Terri Schaivo would have realized that eventually too if she hadn't been reduced to a vegitative state as a result of an "eating disorder."
Take the advice or not. I am not here to dispute you. The information is available to everyone with the click of a search button.
I'm only here to provide my experiential knowledge and hopefully stimulate awareness.
PresidioJoker
04-02-2005, 01:48 PM
You need to address the problems at the core. It's like taking Tylenol for a broken bone - sure it might relieve some of the pain, but it's just going to keep coming back until you patch things up on the inside.
Which was exactly what I had to do. As soon as I was able to rid myself of the bulk of the sludge invading my system, I started improving immediately. I still have difficulty remembering to drink enough water (3 to 4 liters a day), but as soon as I slip, I can smell those toxins building up again in my breath, body odor, and bodily digestive functions... and each time I "slip" back into my old habits, I can literally "feel" the energy leaching out of me.
After 16 years, I really have my doubts that I can make a complete recovery, but I am giving it my very best shot. One thing that I refuse to ever do again is trust some doctor to treat my symptoms and ignore the cause... At only 36 years of age, I am far too young to "feel" so old.
As for my mother; she’s since reduced her intake of anti-depressant medication by leaps and bounds, and has been smoking more pot. As a result she’s fitter, happier, and more productive – to steal a phrase. Some might say she’s just replaced one crutch with another; and yeah, I guess she has – but pot is like Wellbutrin and psychotherapy rolled into one. It gives you the positive boost that an anti-depressant does, and it turns you into your own psychoanalysis.
I never smoked pot until I moved to Spain. I had never been any kind of substance user up to that point... other than the prescribed ones. I never even used tobacco or alcohol... but I gave it a try out of desperation... and because it was available... and why not?.. here it is a non issue.
I broke down and decided that I would use it to "deal" when I first started going through my toxin withdrawals. (constant nausea, daily migranes, depression, insomnia, exhaustion, irritability, gut wrenching intestinal pain... basically, the same symptoms as before, only far more intense).
It was during the time when I was high, desperately ill, and failing fast... that I realized the powerful research tool I had at my fingertips and started browsing for an actual "cure". I had to weed through literally TONS of advertisements to find anything useful. My spouse searched sites in German and Spanish as well, just to get broader perspective on our search... and that is how I eventually found an effective combination of ways to combat my particular digestive system "disease" at the source.
Knowledge truly "IS" power.
No one should have to suffer a life of unnecessary agony... That is why I felt an overwhelming moral obligation to share.
Fuck, no wonder that shit’s illegal. If people were able to smoke a joint, figure out there problems, fix them, and move on – what would happen to Zanax, Prozac, Wellbutrin, or whatever other bullshit solution is being tossed towards us? I can truthfully say, that have delved deep into both medical and recreational drugs, the side-effects are far less harmful from our God given plants and creatures. Nature's had millions of years to better itself; and frankly, I'd trust rather trust Gaia with my well-being as opposed to a laboratory.
I wholeheartedly agree.
My spouse searched sites in German and Spanish as well, just to get broader perspective on our search... and that is how I eventually found an effective combination of ways to combat my particular digestive system "disease" at the source.
Which digestive disease do you have, and what exactly have you been doing to combat it's effects? Did you already mention that and I missed it, or is it something you'd rather not talk about?
American Infidel
04-02-2005, 02:22 PM
Just as I suspected. It's AIDS.
PresidioJoker
04-02-2005, 02:30 PM
Which digestive disease do you have?
You know, I honestly have no idea. They've convinced me that it was everything from Irritable Bowel Syndrome to... i kid you not... "A mutant intestine who's super power is hyper sensitivity" I was like holy mother of a god I don't believe in, what is this "professional" sniffing. I went through a miniflex then had to pay some X-man fan to insult my intelligence with that putrid crap.
,and what exactly have you been doing to combat it's effects? Did you already mention that and I missed it, or is it something you'd rather not talk about?
I did mention it, right after your first post. I believe, you may have missed it if we submitted our replies at the same time.
For convenience sake I will just quote brunt of it in this post for your perusal. I've been editing it all night to find the most useful wording.
When I moved to Europe last year, I swear to all that is honest and pure that I went through WITHDRAWLS and nearly died. My digestive system shut down almost completely, I couldn't move my bowels even once a week, and my urine was florescent orange and smelled of rot, I was full of toxins and was slowly poisoning myself from the inside out.
The most dangerous of all was that I was severely dehydrated. A human being needs at LEAST 3 liters of water each and EVERY DAY. That does not include useless crap like soda/pop as it does absolutely nothing for hydration. I had to perform a liver flush using extra virgin olive oil and fresh lemon juice - strait. It is a very harsh process to go through but, in my case, it was absolutely necessary, and I found it to be a very effective beginning to my intestinal purge. I then used Sodium Bicarbonate in a strict diet of easily digestible foods…(ex: yogurt, thin soups, crackers) for duration of one week and increased my water intake to at least 4 Liters a day. Then I found the most wonderful and helpful ingredient to date. Flax seeds (Linseed). This is one of those Power foods they always talk about. You can get the whole seeds at any self respecting health food store, and they aren't even expensive. They only need to be freshly ground before you use them because they are indigestible if you don't crush them. Also, the beneficial aspects of the plant rapidly become rancid if not used immediately after grinding. I use a cheap coffee grinder to turn them into powder right before adding them to a really delicious smoothie that I make... every morning. (Recipe available upon request)
Within the last 4 months, since I started this treatment, I have lost over 30 pounds without starving or, anything more than light exercise. I have experienced no more migraines to date, and I feel incredible. My mind has more clarity than it has ever had, I have more energy, my sex drive is beginning to improve, and I'm happier than I've been in 16 years. Just try to imagine if you or a loved one had to suffer that kind of pain... I’ve lost so many years of my life to a chronic but completely curable illness. If I had found just one person to give me this kind of sound advice, I would not have spent so much time being cheated out of my health…and my life.
My ultimate goal is to share this knowledge with others so that they may also utilize it to try and shake the oppressive chains of chronic illness.
Everybody has a life's mission. Once I fine-tune this piece for the most convincing approach, this is going to be part of mine.
I see, thanks for pointing to that. I've already lost a good 4 years to that kind of shit, so I know how tough it is. I can't imagine another 12 on top of that.
What's the recipe that you put the ground up Flax seeds into? Usually the smoothies I make just have yogurt, some fruit, eggs, and maybe some milk powder. They don't really do anything for my intestines - it's just a caloric boost.
Having said that, you of all people obviously know that "what works for some, doesn't work for all". Even still, if you give me the recipe I'll give your blend a go, and let you know how that turns out. And yeah, I need to drink a lot more water. Thanks for the reminder.
zamphir66
04-02-2005, 02:58 PM
As for my mother; she’s since reduced her intake of anti-depressant medication by leaps and bounds, and has been smoking more pot. As a result she’s fitter, happier, and more productive – to steal a phrase.
Radiohead rawks.
My advice is to eat whole foods. Flax or fish oil is also very good for you, most Americans have a serious imbalance between their Omega 3 and 6 fatty acids. Also exercise.
PresidioJoker
04-02-2005, 03:26 PM
What's the recipe that you put the ground up Flax seeds into? Usually the smoothies I make just have yogurt, some fruit, eggs, and maybe some milk powder. They don't really do anything for my intestines - it's just a caloric boost.
It's actually a modified recipe I found which is said to make "fluids" taste great. Why not kill two birds with one stone.
You need a blender with a good strong blade.
1 Frozen Banana (peeled prior to frozen storage)
1 cup Pineapple (in natural juices)
(alternative = 5 frozen strawberries and 2 or 3 pineapple rings)
1 & 1/2 Cups = Apple Juice - as natural as you can find it. (omission edited)
2 tablspns = honey (light, thick and pure is best - I find the dark to be bitter)
(possible alternative ingredient = royal jelly, ginseng, ginko... or whatever)
1/2 spoon = ginger
1/2 spoon = cinnamin
1/2 spoon = pure vanilla extract
1/4 spoon = nutmeg
MAIN INGREDIENT:
Flax (linseeds) = my spouse and I use 1/4 cup each. I remember finding that figure on a website, but I lost the link when I reinstalled the computer last month. 1/4 might be too much for some people, so just play with it until you're comfortable.
If regularity is an issue, the 3-4 L of water and the Flax coupled with light walking will produce pretty consistant results. If it works for me, it should work for anyone.
Make sure to blend everything else first before you grind up the seeds. All of the sites strongly point out that it oxidizes rapidly... (though I could find no mention of time measurments)... and that it’s not as useful when it’s rancid
Having said that, you of all people obviously know that "what works for some, doesn't work for all".
Oh boy, do I know it. I hope you never find yourself struggling through your second decade... you get all of these "rays of hope" followed by the inevitable betrayal... you try convincing yourself into a placebo effect. If I had some friend or family member armed with this information in my 20's, I wouldn't have had to know it either.
I have an opportunity to spread the word by any means possible... and it's a no brainer. When I "come round" again, I want it to be the most convincing and popular word-of mouth Old Wive's Tales around, Chaos Theory Style, then maybe I won't have to live with this kind of shit ever again.
Thanks very much for that information. I'm going to rummage around for those ingredients and give a good run at your process.
I know what you mean though about false-rays of hope: things like the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, Prednisone, etc. have all these miraculous connotations attached to them. And while I don't doubt that they are very powerful solutions - they are not the cure-alls they claim to be.
Just out of curiosity though: have you been though, or are you at all familiar with Remicade? A few years ago it was brought to my attention, but at that time it was not covered by OHIP (medicare in my province) and the treatments were costing around $10,000 a pop. Now it is being covered by the province, and I've heard figures of it having remission rates of 85% and cure rates of 60%.
My "team of specialists" has been keeping the Remicade option as Plan B for awhile - even opting to put surgery ahead of it. Just to spite them though; I'll try putting your alternative ahead of their’s. Though if it works, they'll undoubtedly say "It's psychosomatic". Man do they love saying that.
PresidioJoker
04-02-2005, 04:38 PM
My advice is to eat whole foods. Flax or fish oil is also very good for you, most Americans have a serious imbalance between their Omega 3 and 6 fatty acids. Also exercise.
Thank you very much. Your advice is sound and well received.
Just out of curiosity though: have you been though, or are you at all familiar with Remicade? A few years ago it was brought to my attention, but at that time it was not covered by OHIP (medicare in my province) and the treatments were costing around $10,000 a pop. Now it is being covered by the province, and I've heard figures of it having remission rates of 85% and cure rates of 60%.
I'm not aquainted with it Remicade, though I've just pulled up http://www.remicade.com/index.jsp to have a look. I've been tested for Crohns, twice actually... among the plethora of other tests to "Name That Diagnosis!"
My "team of specialists" has been keeping the Remicade option as Plan B for awhile - even opting to put surgery ahead of it. Just to spite them though; I'll try putting your alternative ahead of their’s.
It's certainly worth a try. If you decide to do the liver flush, I need to warn you that it's harsh. If you have any doubts about your abilities to ace that test, you could probably skip it and go strait to the Sodium Bicarb.
If you want to use it, you can either follow my recipe or find some alternative links from the url below.
You need to have a flushed system, so my recipe recommended that I force water... four or even 5 Liters from morning to 5 pm. You can eat only up until 12:00 Noon and I would recommend something easily digestable. At 5 PM, stop drinking to give your system a chance to process.
Starting at 6 pm you will begin the actual liver flush. The easiest, least harsh, and most effective flush that I've found consists of drinking 1/4 cup of olive oil (cold is easier to swallow), followed by 1/8 to 1/4 cups of fresh squeezed lemon juice - undiluted and no sugar added. you will most likely become nausiated, and will need to lie back comfortably (slightly elevated) and wait for 20 minutes and repeat the process until you have consumed 1 or two cups of the olive oil followed immediately each time by the lemon juice... 1 cup should be enough, though the first time I did it, I drank a half liter. (very harsh for a very serious blockage)
Most people find seem to find that 1 cup is sufficient.
If you have any severe nausea, they recommend that you put 20 or so drops of peppermint spirits into a glass of water and sip it very slowly until the wave subsides. The idea is to not vomit, so try and avoid it if you can.
while you are drinking the concoction, make certain to remain as comfortable as you can and lying on your right side. If you have someone who can help you with your doses, it would be very helpful so that you can remain as relaxed as possible. They recommend that after you have completed you final dose, try and sleep
(I know, 7 pm is rather early, but this was found on a german site... and they typically keep early hours, so you can adjust the time frame until it suits you, just as long as you keep the mathmatics in tact.)
While you are resting, your body can best process the brew. The principle is that the agressive properties of the lemons help to break down calcified stones and the oil helps to pass them.
Some time in the night you will experience the urgency... this one website recommends that the "collector" types keep a strainer nearby so you can see if the flush has been successful.
You may be occupied with this flush for a good 24 hours, but you can eat again when you wake up in the morning... though, if you don't feel hungry, I would recommend waiting until you are.
Here's a page that has some alternative flushes and information.
http://www.curezone.com/cleanse/liver/
I'll save the Bicarbonate topic for the next post.
Though if it works, they'll undoubtedly say "It's psychosomatic". Man do they love saying that.
They most certainly do.
zamphir66
04-02-2005, 04:39 PM
Though if it works, they'll undoubtedly say "It's psychosomatic". Man do they love saying that.
What difference does that make as long as it 'works?'
PresidioJoker
04-02-2005, 04:44 PM
What difference does that make as long as it 'works?'
Definitely. I'd rather be labeled as crazy and feel great than to be "normal" and feel like death warmed over.
PresidioJoker
04-02-2005, 06:05 PM
I appologize for taking so long but I had to have this Sodium Bicarb diet translated from German.
This is cleansing diet suggested by the makers of Passage, (distributors of Sodium Bicarbonate) which has 1 preparation day and 5 days of strict dieting.
The format for this was a chart so I'll try to put it in some comprehendable format here. - The idea of this diet is not to be hungry, you can have as much of the below listed foods - I developed an honest craving for strawberry yogurt and homemade soup during this diet... as well as an increased thirst for water.
You will need to be able to reschedule your daily life around this diet. It is strongly recommended that you start this diet when you have 6 days of vacation.
Keep in mind that this is a quick but accurate German translation
Preparation day
Shopping List: Ingredients for a vegetable stock - Vegetables, obviously, rice, yogurt, linseeds, "Passage" (or whatever quality SB is available) a variety of herbal teas, at least 12 bottles of water,
Optional: honey and/or lemon for teas, hot water bottle and any other body care products that promote relaxation.
DIET: This diet applies for all 5 days.
Morning: 2 cups of Herb Tea
Before Lunch: Drink lots of Water (at least 3.5 to 4 liters over each day)
Lunch: Vegetable broth without salt (preferably homemade and additive free), and at least 1/2 liter of fruit cocktail. (the most natural that you can find.)
Afternoon:Tea or water, as much as you like.
Supper:Fruit Cocktail or Juice (apple recommended)
NOTE: Don't even think about cheating and try to drink 4 liters a day.
Cleansing: none
Body Check: Mentally prepare yourself for the diet. Do you feel well? Are you ready?
Relax & Disconnect: Take a bath and go to sleep early
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First Day
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Cleansing: 2 tablespoons of Sodium Bicarb in 1/4 liter of water. Drink all... First thing in the morning is recommended.
Body Check: You may feel a little cold today. Keep warm
Relax & Disconnect: wear comfortable clothes. Read a book, Listen to music
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Second Day
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Cleansing: None
Body Check: Your urine should be clean and odorless. If not, drink more water.
Relax & Disconnect: Keep in comfortable clothes and go for a comfortable walk.
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Third Day
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Cleansing: 2 tablespoons of Sodium Bicarb in 1/4 liter of water. Drink all... First thing in the morning is recommended.
Body Check: Due to the toxins you may stink from your mouth and body sweat
Relax & Disconnect: If you like going to the sauna, now is a good time to do it.
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Fourth Day
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Cleansing: None
Body Check: Your urine should be clear. Drink drink drink!
Relax & Disconnect: Keep relaxing and take care of you
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Fifth Day
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Cleansing: 2 tablespoons of Sodium Bicarb in 1/4 liter of water. Drink all... First thing in the morning is recommended.
Body Check: Even though you feel stronger now, take it slowly.
Relax & Disconnect: Go for a long walk.
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That is the end of the the 5 day diet. I started with the preparation phase one day after I completed the liver flush.
After this: 1/8 - 1/4 of freshly ground Linseed and 3 - 4 liters of Water... every day... however you can take.
I don't know if I mentioned in the Smoothie Recipe post, but the volume that it makes is enough for two 6-8 ounce servings. We both take this every morning so we add 1/2 cup of linseed to the mix... If you will take this alone, only use 1/4 cup of linseed freshly ground. Pour out a cup from the blender and refrigerate it over over night WITHOUT THE LINSEED ADDED... then mix the ground linseed into the remaining liquid and thoroughly blend the seeds into the smoothie. The next day you can hand mix another 1/4 cup of freshly ground linseed into the leftover smoothie.
VERY IMPORTANT: Thoroughly clean the blender and the grider after each use or rancid linseed may contaminate each freshly ground batch.
******OMITTED INGREDIENT*************
Please check the Smoothie Recipe post and notice that that 1 1/2 cups of apple juice has been added. Looks like my memory hasn't improved to enough yet.
PresidioJoker
04-02-2005, 06:20 PM
For me, It was as simple as that. Liver Flush, 6 day sodium bicarbonate diet, followed by a daily breakfast smoothie with flax and at least 3 -4 liters of water a day and an increase in light to moderate daily exersize.
On a personal note:
I created this account with the simple intention of passing this information along in a Modified April Fool's Experiment...with the intent of immediately moving on after the information was passed, but I have genuinely found the enlightened conversation to be very thought provoking and stimulating.
I would like to ask the members of the community if you might still be able to accept me as regular member in spite of the unconventional circumstances surrounding my original post.
(For clarification purposes. I'm just an average, mostly harmless, animal loving, happily married, middle-aged woman who doesn't always bother to spell check.)
Thank you very much for your interest and your time.
PresidioJoker
04-03-2005, 10:13 AM
Good Health to All... and to All a Good Life.
Phantome
04-03-2005, 10:58 AM
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ANNONYMOUS RESPONDANT #1:
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PresidioJoker manages to post 11 of his 22 posts in a row, without getting banned.
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CONSPIRACY BUFF'S RESPONSE:
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All the forum mods have somehow forgotten to set their clocks forward one hour today, and they are all merely still asleep.
All the forum mods have somehow forgotten to set their clocks forward one hour today, and they are all merely still asleep.
3 days later... I guess it was just "her" lucky moment.
thanks
Good Health to All... and to All a Good Life.
PresidioJoker, regardless of your good intentions and theories, you are still breaking forum posting rules with your multiple consecutive postings. as of now you are temporarily banned. your temporary ban will be lifted in 24 hours and you will be able to post again. when and if you return please try to control your self.
please take a couple of minutes to read and become familiar with the FORUM POSTING RULES (http://forum.ebaumsworld.com/showthread.php?t=46464). If you ever have a question feel free at PM me or any of the other moderators (http://forum.ebaumsworld.com/showgroups.php?).
Since there's a 10,000 character limit to each post, shouldn't there be some exception when someone takes the time to construct a lengthy post? I mean, sure it's annoying to read someone post a string of rambling sentences back to back: but PresidioJoker did no such thing - he simply made a post that far exceeded the paltry character limit.
It's not rare for that to happen here in CE Doc, since there's a fair share of responses that take over 20 or 30,000 characters. Especially when you’re quoting in your responses – then you’re down to 5000 characters in your posts.
It seems like a bullshit rule to me. In E/N it doesn’t even apply because 90% of those post are under 100 words. But here some people actually take the time to create decent posts. If we're going to get banned for posting long posts, wouldn’t that just stifle some posters?
NO DOUBLE POSTING - This is when you post twice in a row. Consecutively posting. This is when you make a post, and then make another post right after. If you need to revise something that you posted, use the edit button.
In this case it wasn’t even an option to go back and use the edit button. PresidioJoker just had a lot of things to say.
... and if the sudafed doesn't help you then all you have succeeded in doing is creating additional problems for your system.
The digestive system is absolutely vital to our physical and mental health. I'm sure Terry Schaivo would have realized that eventually too if she hadn't been reduced to a vegitative state by an "eating disorder."
Take the advice or not. I am not here to dispute you. The information is available to everyone with the click of a search button.
I'm only here to provide my experiential knowledge and hopefully stimulate awareness... and then move on.
Yeah, I kind of figured if it was making problems for me should you know...try to ummm.....NOT take it anymore.
I guess I have to clarify too: It wasn't all of those side effects, and certainly no seizures or tremors. It was really just seriously psychodellic nightmares that can only be described as the boat tunnel scene in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. Other than that I just felt worse all around after taking the sudafed, and it didn't help drain my sinuses at all, just made them worse. My nose got stuffed up worse and my headache just increased...and that was the night-time formula Sudafed.
I'm just weird like that, I should know by now that other than allegra medicine doesn't do shit but make me feel worse (allegra was the closest I've ever come to feeling like a pothead, I seriously called called into the office at school because they suspected I was high...my grades for those couple weeks were above par though). Even tylenol and ibeprofen give me problems or just make the pain worse. All I could do for my knees during track season was get a heating pad, some ice packs and elevate them while I try to sleep.
Since there's a 10,000 character limit to each post, shouldn't there be some exception when someone takes the time to construct a lengthy post? I mean, sure it's annoying to read someone post a string of rambling sentences back to back: but PresidioJoker did no such thing - he simply made a post that far exceeded the paltry character limit.
It's not rare for that to happen here in CE Doc, since there's a fair share of responses that take over 20 or 30,000 characters. Especially when you’re quoting in your responses – then you’re down to 5000 characters in your posts.
It seems like a bullshit rule to me. In E/N it doesn’t even apply because 90% of those post are under 100 words. But here some people actually take the time to create decent posts. If we're going to get banned for posting long posts, wouldn’t that just stifle some posters?
In this case it wasn’t even an option to go back and use the edit button. PresidioJoker just had a lot of things to say.
the key words in my post were "multiple consecutive postings" and under the circumstances i believe i was being quite lenient and fair.
PresidioJoker
04-05-2005, 02:11 PM
I wasn't aware of the specific character limitation of this particular board when I started posting. I have had similar problems at other sites and broke the post into smaller chunks... though, in retrospect they were far too small (11 back-to-back)... and I believe that this is the crux of the issue.
As long as allowances are being made for large posts that exceed 10,000 characters and must be carried over into another back-to-back thread, then it seems as if problem becomes less of an issue.
Have I interpreted that correctly Doc?
In the diplomatic spirit of fairness, I was given plenty of time to complete my exchange of information and was banned for only 24 hours, and after several other members posed complaints.
I hereby formally apologize to everyone who was inconvenienced and/or offended by my methods, as that was sincerely not my intent.
Thank you
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Yeah, I kind of figured if it was making problems for me should you know...try to ummm.....NOT take it anymore.
I guess I have to clarify too: It wasn't all of those side effects, and certainly no seizures or tremors. It was really just seriously psychodellic nightmares that can only be described as the boat tunnel scene in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. Other than that I just felt worse all around after taking the sudafed, and it didn't help drain my sinuses at all, just made them worse. My nose got stuffed up worse and my headache just increased...and that was the night-time formula Sudafed.
Your reactions sound truly horrible. Have you had a chance to search for some natural alternatives? I know it can be difficult... it took my husband and me over two-and-a-half years to find and organize the above information into a workable solution.
That’s why I feel so morally obligated to pass it along... Not everyone has the patience and desperation to go on such a time consuming (and often frustrating) quest.
Your reactions sound truly horrible. Have you had a chance to search for some natural alternatives? I know it can be difficult... it took my husband and me over two-and-a-half years to find and organize the above information into a workable solution.
That’s why I feel so morally obligated to pass it along... Not everyone has the patience and desperation to go on such a time consuming (and often frustrating) quest.
My symptoms usually aren't bad enough to slow me down to where I do need to take medicine for anything, so I don't have any real need to find alternatives. The thing about allegra was the first year I lived in Florida, and my body was used to 8 years of Illinois hay-fever, but not orange pollen, and until my senior year there were a good 8 orange orchards around my school, which was also less than a mile away from my house. That coupled with a new type of oak tree that literally carpeted my property with its pollen every year is what caused an actualy need to medication, and allegra just does that in general from my understanding. After that year I never needed it again. Since then my allergies have just been a little raspiness and maybe a stuffed up head. But that first year in Florida I went out to do clean up (I had to sweep, that's how thick it was every year) the pollen and had to come inside after 2 minutes because I couldn't breathe or see. On the plus side, my dad couldn't call me lazy for not doing my chores.
Maverick
04-05-2005, 04:08 PM
Sort of. Wellbutrin isn't actually an anti-depressant, it's just a drug that alters your neurotransmitters. On it's own, it's not an anti-depressant; in conjunction with a positive attitude or psychotherapy it is though. You can take Wellbutrin for almost anything you want to stop doing, because it works on will power and your own inherent desires. Recently it's been used as a stop-smoking aid. They call it Zyban, or Ziban - something like that
Apparently it doubles as Spanish fly as well.
PresidioJoker
04-05-2005, 04:17 PM
... But that first year in Florida I went out to do clean up (I had to sweep, that's how thick it was every year) the pollen and had to come inside after 2 minutes because I couldn't breathe or see. On the plus side, my dad couldn't call me lazy for not doing my chores.
Are you allergic to mildew? I am and I lived in FL for 8 years. Florida is notorious for mildew problems and I found it it very difficult to control my symptoms because it is literally everywhere.
Are you allergic to mildew? I am and I lived in FL for 8 years. Florida is notorious for mildew problems and I found it it very difficult to control my symptoms because it is literally everywhere.
I don't think so, because it pretty well took it upon itself to be a varpet on our patio around our pool so much we gave up cleaning it off until we went to sell the house. When we did clean it, it was every few days because it did grow so fast.
My allergies are all hay-fever and pollen type stuff. I'm amazed that's all I am allergic too. I get into everything...animal dander, mildew, mud, fesces, you name it, I've probably rolled in it, inadvertantly or not. Anytime something new and exciting does happen to me, there's a lot of hurry up and wait to see if I puff up, like when I was first stung by a wasp (never been stung by ANYthing before that) under the eye.
Come to think of it, I should have been killed off according to Darwinism a long time ago. I knew there were 4-5 foot-long gators in a pond when I went "exploring" for them, and I was seriously lucky when I walked away from playing with a scorpian my friend had found out was in his shoe the hard way (no, I didn't put it there, I just held on to it for him afterward). I one time actually, almost stepped on a cottonmouth walking along a creek, and another time put my bare leg between my dog (who tried to sniff this thing) and a copperhead. That was all either in Florida or Illinois, and I don't even need to get into fire ants in Florida, I certainly had my share of those little bastards. Now that I'm in Colorado, I go out and blatantly disrespect the "territory" of coyotes that live like 30 feet from my yard when I go down to that creek to get water for my turtle. Snorkelling with nurse sharks in Florida was fun too, but I seriously could not have planned surfacing in the middle of a swarm of man-of-war tentacles better if I had tried, and I was hellaciously lucky not to get stung by that thing, because those tentacles were everywhere.
PresidioJoker
04-06-2005, 08:53 AM
I don't think so, because it pretty well took it upon itself to be a varpet on our patio around our pool so much we gave up cleaning it off until we went to sell the house. When we did clean it, it was every few days because it did grow so fast.
Indeed. The environment of Florida is a veritable Disneyworld for mildew.
My allergies are all hay-fever and pollen type stuff. I'm amazed that's all I am allergic too. I get into everything...animal dander, mildew, mud, fesces, you name it, I've probably rolled in it, inadvertantly or not. Anytime something new and exciting does happen to me, there's a lot of hurry up and wait to see if I puff up, like when I was first stung by a wasp (never been stung by ANYthing before that) under the eye.
It seems as though you are pretty fortunate that your Alergies are limited to hay-fever and pollen... though FL has plenty of that as well. Ponce de Leon didn't name it Florida for nothing.
...in honor of his discovery of the land on Easter Sunday, March 27, 1513, which is called by Spaniards Pascua Florida, "Holy Day of Flowers." He chose this name for two reasons: First, because the country presented a pleasant aspect; and, second, because he landed on the festival referred to. The second reason is generally considered to have more weight.
Come to think of it, I should have been killed off according to Darwinism a long time ago. I knew there were 4-5 foot-long gators in a pond when I went "exploring" for them, and I was seriously lucky when I walked away from playing with a scorpian my friend had found out was in his shoe the hard way (no, I didn't put it there, I just held on to it for him afterward). I one time actually, almost stepped on a cottonmouth walking along a creek, and another time put my bare leg between my dog (who tried to sniff this thing) and a copperhead. That was all either in Florida or Illinois, and I don't even need to get into fire ants in Florida, I certainly had my share of those little bastards. Now that I'm in Colorado, I go out and blatantly disrespect the "territory" of coyotes that live like 30 feet from my yard when I go down to that creek to get water for my turtle. Snorkelling with nurse sharks in Florida was fun too, but I seriously could not have planned surfacing in the middle of a swarm of man-of-war tentacles better if I had tried, and I was hellaciously lucky not to get stung by that thing, because those tentacles were everywhere.
Obviously Darwin hasn't passed his final judgement as you are still alive and kicking. Perhaps you'll become the next Steve Irwin... sans the hyperactive intensity.
Obviously Darwin hasn't passed his final judgement as you are still alive and kicking. Perhaps you'll become the next Steve Irwin... sans the hyperactive intensity.
I should hope not. God help us all if anyone succeeds him in his trade. As entertaining as it can be, there's more fun to be had just not knowing entirely what you're doing and acting on instinct/impulse. In a sense it's more educational to see what happens when someone does fuck up and get bit, stung, fall, etc. That's why I watch Wild Boys. They're idiots, but at least now I know that giraffes are great french kissers.
PresidioJoker
04-06-2005, 07:23 PM
That's why I watch Wild Boys. They're idiots, but at least now I know that giraffes are great french kissers.
I watch that program as well and it is my favorite of the Jackass spin-offs. It also happens to be one of the few shows that I can get here that are subtitled instead of translated into German.
MrHardy
04-06-2005, 09:08 PM
Where the hell this thread is going i do not know, but as for the aspartine(sp?) conspiracy theory, i've heard many things. Aperently some scientist was researching it at TCU and found it leaves holes in your brain, because of this the aspartine(sp?) companies or affiliates issued death threats, no joke, to him because aspartine(sp?) happens to be one of the most profitiable businesses. I might have scimmed over the part where you talked about this but i find it interesting since aspartine(sp?) is in just about everything diet i want to get this thread back on track.
Where the hell are the punctuation buddies when you need them?
As far as conspiracies go, I don't know much about them. But from what I do know I'm skeptical everytime I see the buzz-word "conspiracy" simply because no one on Earth, not even some super elite group controlling everything can keep perfect control of everything the way they supposedly do. It's just not possible, they have to screw up on some massively large scale somewhere.
PresidioJoker
04-07-2005, 04:31 PM
Where the hell this thread is going i do not know, but as for the aspartine(sp?) conspiracy theory, i've heard many things. Aperently some scientist was researching it at TCU and found it leaves holes in your brain, because of this the aspartine(sp?) companies or affiliates issued death threats, no joke, to him because aspartine(sp?) happens to be one of the most profitiable businesses. I might have scimmed over the part where you talked about this but i find it interesting since aspartine(sp?) is in just about everything diet i want to get this thread back on track.
Sincerely, Thank you very much.
Please allow me recommend some Pro and Con links for you:
http://www.aspartame.net/
http://www.aspartamearchives.org/
http://www.snopes.com/toxins/aspartame.asp
http://www.321recipes.com/aspartame.html
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/aspartame.html
http://www.dorway.com/
http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/
http://www.aspartame.com/ Preview of "Sweet Misery" Documentary.
http://www.organicconsumers.org/toxiclink.html
As toxins appeared to be at the heart of my long term suffering, my personal opinions lean sharply towards the Con, however, I firmly believe that it is always best for each individual to formulate their own opinions after thorough research.
aspartame happens to be one of the most profitiable businesses.
It most certainly is.
metalhead666
04-07-2005, 04:35 PM
I do ahve to agree on the aspratame thing, it eats the inside of your stomach away, that's why i stay away from diet colas or anything with half the sugar 'cause the substitute they're using is much more damaging than sugar.
PresidioJoker
04-07-2005, 04:45 PM
I do ahve to agree on the aspratame thing, it eats the inside of your stomach away, that's why i stay away from diet colas or anything with half the sugar 'cause the substitute they're using is much more damaging than sugar.
Now, I can't specifically point to aspartame as the primary cause of my 16 years of digestive system problems, but the circumstantial evidence has proven very compelling for me.
I do know that the sugar substitute in diet soda does turn into phermaldahyde (sp?) at about 80-something degrees F. Given that the human body avergaes at 98.6 degrees, that can't be good.
PresidioJoker
04-07-2005, 07:14 PM
I do know that the sugar substitute in diet soda does turn into phermaldahyde (sp?) at about 80-something degrees F. Given that the human body avergaes at 98.6 degrees, that can't be good.
formaldehyde
The most important thing to remember when determining your own course of action is that while these chemicals may or may not be toxic, it is certain that they cannot be considered as a necessity.
When it comes to my individual choice regarding use of such potentially harmful chemicals... I have decided that abstinence is clearly the best policy... for me.
Either way, it aint good for you. I've pretty well cut soda out of my diet all-together. The occasional sprite, and even rarer coke here and there, but none too often at all.
PresidioJoker
04-08-2005, 08:20 AM
Either way, it aint good for you. I've pretty well cut soda out of my diet all-together. The occasional sprite, and even rarer coke here and there, but none too often at all.
I first cut soda out of my diet temporarily, but on a fine spring day when I felt relatively healthy, I decided to give soda another try. My reaction to just one glass of Pepsi was so extreme that I decided to apply the "abstinence is the best policy" principle to soda as well. After approximately 4 months, I am happy to report that I no longer experience any cravings for it.
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