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screamingtoast
04-15-2005, 12:09 PM
Wow, it's a pretty brutal video, but It makes me proud of that shopkeeper. Society is a little safer with one less crook on the street looking for a victim.
Self-defense is the best defense. Maybe if more people would stand up for themselves and provide for their own well being instead of relying on an inefficient and overgrown government bogged down in beaurocracy to provide for them, there would be less crime in this country.
I'm questioning it's authenticity. I guess I might be more hopeful than anything else that it is staged. The guy was down, the final three bullets the storekeeper put in him are gonna get him locked up. In Britain at least.
Stupified
04-15-2005, 12:32 PM
Yeah, Self Defense is the way to go, but after the first shot, it's obvious that the robber was defenseless; hence prison time for the shopkeeper.
screamingtoast
04-15-2005, 12:34 PM
If you watch closely you can see that he was reaching for his gun when the shopkeeper put the last couple of rounds in him, in fact he managed to grab it and was about to shoot again. He was still a serious threat to the shopkeeper and under american law the shopkeeper still had every right to eliminate the threat. The only thing that might get the guy in trouble would be putting his fingerprints on the gun and moving the body, but I guess people do strange things when the adrenaline is pumping and they just killed someone, most courts would probably overlook that.
I don't buy the threat posed. I know the adrenaline is pumping at the time but the owner had every chance to remove the gun from the robber's hand. Instead he seemed to think he was Antonio Banderas from Desperado blazing away. I have no idea why he decides to drag the guy away before calling the cops.
Stupified
04-15-2005, 01:19 PM
I don't buy the threat posed. I know the adrenaline is pumping at the time but the owner had every chance to remove the gun from the robber's hand. Instead he seemed to think he was Antonio Banderas from Desperado blazing away. I have no idea why he decides to drag the guy away before calling the cops.
Exactly my point. He could've took the guy's gun, called for help, or just knocked the guy out.. Instead he killed him.
I think he moved him out of sight of any other customers, but not sure on that.
PsiRedEye22
04-15-2005, 01:32 PM
You people are insane.
Why take the risk of trying to wrestle a gun out of some guy's hand WHEN HE IS ABOUT TO FUCKING SHOOT YOU?
People are getting WAY too libertarian nowadays. This was the perfect example of why the second amendment is the greatest thing on the planet. This man saved his own life, no court in the world would convict him of a goddamn thing.
Waysloppy
04-15-2005, 01:35 PM
Why take the risk of trying to wrestle a gun out of some guy's hand WHEN HE IS ABOUT TO FUCKING SHOOT YOU?
EXACTLY.
If some guy points a gun at my head, I am not taking any chances.
The guy working in the store did the right thing. Even though the robber was down, he couldn't take a chance and reach for the guys gun, he saw the guy move so he shot him again.
If you dont want to get shot and killed, then don't go into a fucking store and pull a gun on the guy at the register. Don't feel sorry for the robber, he did a really fucking stupid thing.
Difference is, the gun wasn't pointed at his head. Agreed, the robber was reaching for his gun and 8 of 10 people would panic and shoot. However, there was the possibility that he could have disabled the robber without the two fatal shots, it depends where your threat cut-off point is.
I'm still doubting its authenticity. I haven't got sound here so can't use sound as a variable but the actions do look kind of dramatic. Who knows? I don't want to be the kind of twat who calls everything fake though.
PsiRedEye22
04-15-2005, 01:46 PM
Difference is, the gun wasn't pointed at his head. Agreed, the robber was reaching for his gun and 8 of 10 people would panic and shoot. However, there was the possibility that he could have disabled the robber without the two fatal shots, it depends where your threat cut-off point is.
No, it doesn't. The robber tried to shoot him, so he made sure he was pretty dead before he called the cops. You'd do the same in the situation, you just don't realize it. I will bet you a million dollars that you don't give half of a shit where your threat cutoff point is when your life is about to end.
The Truth
04-15-2005, 01:54 PM
Anybody who thinks that clip is real needs to have their head examined.
First off, look at the robber. No mask, nice clothes, already has gloves on, and the way he just turns around reeks of bad acting.
And the cashier is OVER EXAGGERATING on his hand motions to compensate for the camera not having a microphone. And he just happens TO HAVE A WEAPON AT WORK right under the counter nearly in plain view??
And the "shoot out" is laughable. The muzzle flashes are also WAAAAAY OVERDONE and very obviously fake (done probably with PC vid editing software like Adobe Premiere or After Effects) and you do not see any bullet impacts, such as through the clothes or on surrounding environments.
And when the robber falls is very deliberate.
And a color security camera? No. It was a DV camera most likely set up on a shelf.
FAKE!!!
Regulator_
04-15-2005, 01:58 PM
Since when do pistols shoot out 3 ft flames?? Also notice how hes barely holding onto the gun, but the "recoil" almost makes his own gun donk him in the face, wouldn't he have dropped it if the recoil was real. I probly would have believed it untill I saw those two things
screamingtoast
04-15-2005, 02:03 PM
You people are insane.
Why take the risk of trying to wrestle a gun out of some guy's hand WHEN HE IS ABOUT TO FUCKING SHOOT YOU?
People are getting WAY too libertarian nowadays. This was the perfect example of why the second amendment is the greatest thing on the planet. This man saved his own life, no court in the world would convict him of a goddamn thing.
I think you are confusing libertarian and liberal. Besides, the "don't shoot the wounded guy pointing a gun at you" argument has nothing to do with politics, it's just a fool who watches too many movies and thinks he's Mr Kung-Fu.
This reminds me of a case my dad dealt with in Odessa, Texas (he was a criminal prosecutor for the county) A guy went to rob a liquor store. He pointed a gun at the clerk and the clerk pulled out a gun and shot him in the shoulder. The robber fell down and the clerk thought he was safe so he put down his gun and went to call the cops, a few seconds later just as the clerk connected to the 911 operator the robber got up, shot the clerk four times, killing him, and ran out of the store. Fortunately the robber got caught and went to jail for a very long time, but it goes to show that just because someone falls down or takes a bullet it doesn't mean that they are defenseless.
Since when do pistols shoot out 3 ft flames?? Also notice how hes barely holding onto the gun, but the "recoil" almost makes his own gun donk him in the face, wouldn't he have dropped it if the recoil was real. I probly would have believed it untill I saw those two things
http://www.ashlandlakegunclub.org/images/BLAST.JPG
http://airbornecombatengineer.typepad.com/photos/weapons_fireams/bushmastercarbon15flash.jpg
These are the only two photos of muzzle flash I could find, but a gun makes a bigger flash than most people realize, the thing is that it happens so quickly that few people notice it and it rarely gets caught on camera, even in video it is usually brief enough that it happens between frames and is not captured every time.
As for his grip, he may have had a limp wrist, but that doesn't mean he had a loose grip. Besides, many guns are ergonomically designed to stay in the hand even with a fairly loose grip.
The Truth
04-15-2005, 02:38 PM
Wow, those two pics posted by screamingtoast prove NOTHING.
First off, that first pic is difficult to tell what type of load he is shooting with or whether or not it has been doctored.
That second pic is just plain wrong in comparison because it looks like a submachine gun which shoots very quickly and will produce a muzzle flash like that without a proper muzzle suppressor.
And pistols do NOT produce that type of muzzle flash because, guess what, I have fired pistols before. This was doctored and it is obvious because, guess again, I DO have experience with video editing. Don't argue with something you do not understand, k? Thanks.
zoroko
04-15-2005, 02:46 PM
Anybody who thinks that clip is real needs to have their head examined.
First off, look at the robber. No mask, nice clothes, already has gloves on, and the way he just turns around reeks of bad acting.
And the cashier is OVER EXAGGERATING on his hand motions to compensate for the camera not having a microphone. And he just happens TO HAVE A WEAPON AT WORK right under the counter nearly in plain view??
And the "shoot out" is laughable. The muzzle flashes are also WAAAAAY OVERDONE and very obviously fake (done probably with PC vid editing software like Adobe Premiere or After Effects) and you do not see any bullet impacts, such as through the clothes or on surrounding environments.
And when the robber falls is very deliberate.
And a color security camera? No. It was a DV camera most likely set up on a shelf.
FAKE!!!
When I started reading this thread I thought the video might be real. I hadn't watched it yet. I just went to see it, yea its FAKE! Overacted is an understatment. Everything is just set up wrong, nice try, but wrong. The biggest clue is the giant flames shooting out of the pistols. If you pause one frame where he shoots him a second time, you can see the flame cover over the time stamp. Now the time stamp is outlined in black so it should still be visible above the flame, its not. Therefore the video has been later edited. I see proof that its fake. Anyone want to point out some evidence that its real?
CaptainMUllet
04-15-2005, 02:55 PM
I'm on the 'fake' bandwagon, the flashes don't match the quality of the rest of the picture. And this is just me, but I would be too shocked and horrified that I just took a person's life to shoot their unconscious body/head again and again into some sort of goo. My guess is the work of an inventive student filmmaker.
...then again I could be wrong.
The Truth
04-15-2005, 02:57 PM
If you pause one frame where he shoots him a second time, you can see the flame cover over the time stamp. Now the time stamp is outlined in black so it should still be visible above the flame, its not.
You beat me to it. I was JUST trying to screencap paused footage where you see this but I couldn't get anything to work properly. But you are right on.
Yup, the more and more you watch it you realise that the actions are that of what is 'supposed' to happen in a situation like that. In the real thing there we would be much more unpredictable behaviour, jerky movements, less chivalrous finishing shots and without doubt, no quick look around before dragging him away. I'll go for the fake vote.
HighWasabi
04-15-2005, 03:46 PM
I managed to get a screen shot of the muzzle flash. Compare that to a Fake muzzle flash in a amature movie. There is a BIG resemblance.
http://img207.echo.cx/my.php?image=muzzleflash2fm.png
This is INDEED fake.
ALSO, at 0:23 sec, the robber is supposed to be shot correct? However, there is no muzzle flash. I know the screen shot is hard to see, but here a screen shot at 0:23.75 sec. At this time, it would be a logical statement that the gun would have a muzzle flash. Immediatly afterwards, the clerk withdrawls his gun, and the robber falls to the ground.
http://img207.echo.cx/img207/9039/muzzleflash20vu.jpg
Once again, sorry for the poor quality.
Also, as someone stated above, the muzzle flash is MUCH higher quality than the video. Only proving more that this video is fake.
If you have any other evidence to disprove of this theory, I would be glad to look at it.
SLayer!
04-15-2005, 04:00 PM
Fake. Notice how the lighting on the surrounding areas doesn't change. Only the flash from the pistol.
MutantCircus
04-15-2005, 04:10 PM
Aside from the overdramatic movements and muzzle flashes, it's just too big a coindicence where that clothing rack was placed. Seriously, watch how the cashier deliberately positions his arm in a way so that we can clearly watch him shoot the guy. I don't know about you, but when I'm shooting something I don't hold the gun to the side and bend my wrist, I point that thing straight forward so I can actually hit what I'm aiming for. This guy as just hamming it up for the camera.
Starlite528
04-15-2005, 04:10 PM
Not every shot is going to produce a flash. It really depends on the type of weapon and the type of ammo. If you're shooting a .44mag revolver, then you'll get a big ass flash coming from both the sides of the revolver where the bullet enters the barrel, and from the muzzle.
And this garbage about the color video camera being fake? HERROOO!!! This is 2005! That looks like a pretty decent department store, and I guarantee you they have the budget to include decent video camera's and recording equipment, that would be able to capture a muzzle flash.
I haven't decided whether the video is fake or not. Mabye there is an associated news report to go with the video?
^Gecko^
Samurai Jack SB: http://www.lordshadowstar.com/jackboard.swf
The Truth
04-15-2005, 04:18 PM
Not every shot is going to produce a flash. It really depends on the type of weapon and the type of ammo. If you're shooting a .44mag revolver, then you'll get a big ass flash coming from both the sides of the revolver where the bullet enters the barrel, and from the muzzle.
We are talking small caliber pistols, nothing like Magnums. And even Magnums would NOT produce this type of muzzle flash.
And this garbage about the color video camera being fake? HERROOO!!! This is 2005! That looks like a pretty decent department store, and I guarantee you they have the budget to include decent video camera's and recording equipment, that would be able to capture a muzzle flash.
You obviously have little to no experience in retail because ALOT of places, including the ELECTRONICS store I work at, do NOT have color cameras. It's completely unncessary. The year has NOTHING TO DO WITH IT! And how can you tell that a CLOTHING STORE from a very limited field of view is pretty decent? Oh yeah, you CAN'T.
And do you know what store it is and what kind of budget they have? Apparently you do, since you "guarantee" they have the funds to do so. Please provide all relevant information since you are in obvious possession of such. (sarcasm, btw.)
I haven't decided whether the video is fake or not. Mabye there is an associated news report to go with the video?
There is no decision to be made. It is VERY obvious it is fake.
MutantCircus
04-15-2005, 04:23 PM
Yeah, the fact that it's in color is a very obvious goof-up on the part of the fakers. Color security cameras are very, very rare, as black and white cameras cost less and color cameras have no advantage. It's just smart to use black and white cameras. If you need to buy 20 cameras to place throughout your store, are you going to drop an extra thousand or so dollars just to upgrade to color? I think not.
Starlite528
04-15-2005, 04:33 PM
And since when do big corporations care about how much money they blow on stupid crap? Take a look at some state and federal spending budgets.
Remember the garbage about several hundred thousand dollar outhouses?
Looking at the register. I don't see registers like that at anything other than mall department stores. Also, look at the size of the store, that's twice the size of any Radio Shack I've been in. I work at Fry's electronics (when I'm not deployed with the ARMY to Egypt). They use better camera's then this store does, and sells them too.
^Gecko^
MutantCircus
04-15-2005, 04:44 PM
I don't think anyone is arguing that this happened in a store... I have lots of friends who work at stores like that. I've even got friends who are independant filmmakers. We could EASILY set up something like this and make it look twice as authentic. All you need is a friend who's a cashier with some free time, two fake guns, and a video editing software to add those (very) fake flashes. Set up a tripod with the camera near the ceiling, and bingo, you've got your fake security camera.
That argument about people spending tons of cash on stupid crap is rediculous. Maybe the government doesn't care where they put their money, but a department store doesn't get that "big" if they spend all their cash on needless upgrades to things nobody cares about. Not even the cops are going to care if you're security camera is color. When you buy security cameras you're not out to film an action movie, you're preparing for the rare event that you may need to document legal evidence.
Starlite528
04-15-2005, 04:51 PM
True, but some people may want to know what color their clothes were, etc. It is very possible this video is a fake. One thing that is a bit more expensive but a major MAJOR improvment for video security is the advent of DVR's for security systems.
Some companies are a bit more liberal than others, but in general you are right. I wish I had the video me and my friends made late one night while I was working at a game store. I built a model rocket from a paper towel roll and a peice of cardboard. It worked exactly as expected, B-engine, went up, and up, and up, and disintegrated on parachute charge.
^Gecko^
The Truth
04-15-2005, 04:54 PM
How in the hell can you tell how large it is?? There is no way you can from the limited view of a DOWNWARD POINTING CAMERA so quit saying you can.
And you may work for a corporation, but you have zero knowledge about how they work. They DO cut corners because of all kinds of factors.
Starlite528
04-15-2005, 04:57 PM
Are you kidding? The camera may be pointed downward, but guess what, it also has a pretty wide angle. Look at the size of the doors in the frame, and how it goes to more shelves off the the left of that. To the right is a solid wall, probably the side or back of the store.
^Gecko^
The Truth
04-15-2005, 05:01 PM
No, are YOU kidding?? Ok, you don't know if this vid's fake AND you think the store's large because of some walls and the door?? LOL!!
The damn store could be the size of a small McDonalds and you wouldn't know. Looks like you have been suckered.
I actually thought it was real. but after looking at the examinations you guys did. im pretty much convinced that its fake. I also did some examination myself. The first few shots fired by both of them appeared to have no recoil at all. I extracted some frames that show that there was no recoil on the first few shots. maybe someone else can do it...
Starlite528
04-15-2005, 05:06 PM
Looks like I really do not care. I can only analyze what I can see, you can say any different, unless you actually know the place. So the video may be fake, but guess what, they did a good job.
^Gecko^
renatzu
04-15-2005, 05:07 PM
And since when do big corporations care about how much money they blow on stupid crap? Take a look at some state and federal spending budgets.
That's the government, they're notorious for spending money badly. This, however, is a company looking to produce the biggest sales while spending the least. $1000 saved is $1000 more in your pocket, and companies will try to find ways to make as much money as possible.
And it looked like a small store to me, that was my firts impression when I saw the video.
However, I'm not immediately going to say it's a bona fide video. When people are shot, there is a ton of blood and it goes a long way. I couldn't see any in this video.
The Truth
04-15-2005, 05:10 PM
YOU are the one who acts like he "knows the place" saying you can guarantee their budget and know that the store is big. :lol: at you
And no, they did a shit job on it. Nothing is even close to convincing. Only gullible people fall for it. Terrible acting, overdone special effects, atrocious believability. They didn't even try.
Starlite528
04-15-2005, 05:16 PM
So where is your fake robbery video?
Kusanagi
04-15-2005, 05:16 PM
I knew it was fake the first time I saw it, for an obvious reason that I can't believe nobody pointed out.
Lets, for arguements sake, say the muzzle flashes were real.
You see them both fire a couple of times. The shopkeeper fires twice, and there are big flashes.
The third time he "shoots" at point blank range, the one that hits the guy in the face, there is NO muzzle flash at all.
So. Assuming that those small caliber pistols DID produce flames like that (they don't) there should have been another flash when the guy got hit in the face. And any handgun that could produce a flash like that would have blown the guys head apart at that range.
Also, when the guy writhes around on the ground, there is no blood from his face or head. Even if he was grazed, there would be blood on the carpet. If any of you have seen the various videos floating around the net where people are shot in the head, you know damned well ALOT of blood comes out of the various holes.
Color camera or not, muzzle flashes or not, the video is 100% fake.
Starlite528
04-15-2005, 05:25 PM
Ppint blank range? I suggest you take another look. The guy was a good six feet away, on the other side of a path behind a display.....he could have been shot in the chest, but you're right. Either way the should be a lot more blood, and damage.
^Gecko^
Catalyst
04-15-2005, 05:46 PM
Good job?
It was obvious this was the fake before halfway into the video. There is no fear in the clerk's movements but the most obvious thing that gives it away are the shitty gunshot effects. :lol:
nephmalkus
04-15-2005, 05:52 PM
Either way the single undeniable fact of the matter, which proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that this movie is a fake; and frankly not a very well done one... has ALREADY been posted.
The fact that the muzzle flash sits ONTOP of the video camera timestamp proves it is fake... pause the vid yourself at a muzzle flash point and see for yourself.
If it was real you would see the Camera stamp ONTOP of the flash, but the badly made gradient flash (that does not light any environment in any way and even has the flash missing for the killing first “on target” shot) sits on top of everything.
Blatant, obvious, and not very skillful editing… anyone with a bit of talent would have done the flash in 3ds max (or the like), fiddled it with photoshop and added a bit of room glow to the effect (and extra 3-4 hours work maybe).
3 frames per flash half flash>full flash>half flash, which is only 2 frames you have to create given a fairly static shot (which this is)….
Anyway, fake, not very well done fake at that, but entertaining none the less.
Which brings me to my final point:
This is not a site for “real” clips, but funny/entertaining ones… this entertained me, so it deserved its spot.
Kusanagi
04-15-2005, 05:54 PM
Six feet IS point blank range, even with a .22 derringer :lol:
Deltron
04-15-2005, 07:04 PM
That was the fakest video I've ever seen, and you idiots are trying to pinpoint it down with a microscope.
CaptNKILL
04-15-2005, 07:50 PM
Wow I cant believe anyone thought that was real.
Im not a gun expert but its easy to tell when a gun is shooting. And in those pictures they arent. Muzzle flashes are simply unburned gunpowder being burned outside the barrel, they arent magical light flashes that guns produce to look cool. If theres a glow coming from anywhere but in front of the barrel, something is fake. And it sure as hell wouldnt look like that, itd be a small flame, not a gigantic glowing blob that covers half the guys arm.
Also, even a .22 emits some kind of concussion when fired. Clothes, hair, dust and anything else will move when any gun fires. In that video, nothing moves at all, when in reality, a 9mm or .40s&w would probably cause a small camera to jitter a little from that distance, plus the clothes would be blown around quite a bit.
I know its been done to death... but for christs sake, how can anyone believe this video is real? :lol:
Oh, and the way that guy looks over his shoulder... THATS good acting :icon_rofl
Starlite528
04-15-2005, 07:54 PM
That's a load of crap. I've fired up to 25 different kinds of rifles (but only 4 pistols) and I can tell you that a 9mm will absolutly not cause a camera to vibrate from that distance, nor will it cause clothes to shake in such a way that you describe.
^Gecko^
CaptNKILL
04-15-2005, 08:23 PM
That's a load of crap. I've fired up to 25 different kinds of rifles (but only 4 pistols) and I can tell you that a 9mm will absolutly not cause a camera to vibrate from that distance, nor will it cause clothes to shake in such a way that you describe.
^Gecko^
Well, sorry, I dont know what to tell you. Anything Ive shot thats bigger than a .22 has had this effect. I guess it is a bit of a stretch to say a mounted camera would vibrate from the concussion from that distance, but in an inclosed area like that, the sound and the concussion would have a pretty obvious visible effect on the scene.
Starlite528
04-15-2005, 08:33 PM
the sound and the concussion would have a pretty obvious visible effect on the scene.
You are right about that!! I've fired the 9mm without earplug just to see how loud it was and DAMN. I wouldn't want to shoot anything else besides the 22 which sound like a ladyfinger firecracker.
^Gecko^
CaptNKILL
04-15-2005, 08:39 PM
You are right about that!! I've fired the 9mm without earplug just to see how loud it was and DAMN. I wouldn't want to shoot anything else besides the 22 which sound like a ladyfinger firecracker.
^Gecko^
Exactly! Anything that loud has a visible effect... almost like you can see\feel the air moving. This video is not only badly edited, but it doesnt have that effect.
And its funny how stupid it is when the guy drags the body away :lol:
Starlite528
04-15-2005, 08:42 PM
I wouldn't expect it to have much of an effect on the surrounding environment, but that loud of a noise will cause a dramatic reaction on the people in the scene.
zamphir66
04-15-2005, 09:45 PM
Fake Fake Fake.
I watch a whole lot of 'world's wildest police videos,' 'amazing video,' etc. etc. I've seen dozens, maybe hundreds, of robberies caught on camera. In a real robbery the emotions of the robbed and the robber are plain as day, sound or no sound. These guys were total deadpan. And then the "shootout" haha. I will now stand up and fire my gun, sir. Aha, my good man, now I will stand and fire my gun. Good shot chap, now I will....egads you've shot me!! Good show old boy, fine work haha. Fake Fake Fake.
autarchicflux
04-15-2005, 10:10 PM
Clearly fake, the muzzle flash covering the time stamp is incontrovertable proof.
Roseh20
04-15-2005, 10:16 PM
If you look at the "explosions" coming out of the gun you can plainly see that the first one to have "shot" the robber didn't have one of this "explosions"
like all the others. Plus, the acting is really Bad !!! Its fake for sure.
DeftonesBoy
04-15-2005, 10:54 PM
Upon further investigation, i have concluded that this video is fake. :rolleyes:
If you have anything other than wmp, try zooming in and out with the resolution to find that neither men blink during any of the shots. Even if you can't zoom in, during the final shots the clerk makes, you can tell he does not blink.
How could any of you guys deny any of this after a clear picture of a flash over the timestamp was shown? Idiots!
The Truth
04-16-2005, 12:23 AM
So where is your fake robbery video?
I hate people with your mentality. If someone doesn't like a movie, morons like you ask, "make your own", or if someone doesn't like a song, morons like you ask, "let's see you write a song".
See, smart guy, I am not in the fake robbery video business. If I was, I can guarantee it would be 10 x better and you would not be able to tell that it is fake. I am actually involved with low level video production and I know tricks on how to perform trickery with the camera, so again shut up about things you have no knowledge on, ok?
Please point out the notice that says these videos are beyond scrutiny or criticism. Can you? Probably not. So until a notice like that does appear, SHUT THE HELL UP again, ok?
I think you are bitter just because you are the only naive one to believe this very bogus video.
Mushy2008
04-16-2005, 12:25 AM
At first I thoght this video was real then i read your comments and now i think i am convinced it is fake. There is just so many things that you guys said that make it fake.
Brokenmachine
04-16-2005, 08:46 AM
I agree, that video is fake. But the idea of a small shop having a color camera isn't out of the ordinary. Fry's sales tiny color camera's for $25.00 a piece, so even a cheap store with a small budget can afford those. Hello, its 2005 not 1985. Technology is cheap.
Those muzzle flashes were fake, you could tell just from the angle of the flash and the lighting. And yes, pistols will make a muzzle flash!
mgunit
04-16-2005, 11:59 AM
Small stores could easily get color cameras.
If you've ever reloaded shells and didnt get the lead on there good you get a shitty shot with low fps and a huge muzzle flash. So very large muzzle flashes are a possibility.
(just my two cents on the arguments that sprang from this)
The video is obviously fake, overdone muzzle flashes, missing muzzle flashes and flashes over the timestamp.
Not to mention the fact that as the clerk walks around he has a clear shot at the perp as he is reaching for his pistol, but instead goes all the way around so that we can see him take the shot, allowing the man to grab the gun.
And if by some miracle it was real, what kind of retard would shoot OVER a clothes rack, instead of right through it? If cotton stops bullets then what the hell happened to 2pac?
Chungin
04-16-2005, 04:31 PM
No one even answered this: If that is fake and someone edited it, then what the hell really happened in that scene in reality?
DeftonesBoy
04-16-2005, 04:39 PM
No one even answered this: If that is fake and someone edited it, then what the hell really happened in that scene in reality?
You sir, are a moron.
Chungin
04-16-2005, 10:15 PM
You sir, are a moron.
Don't call me a moron without elaborating why I'm a moron. Obviously, that was edited, but then again, something else in reality could've happened during that scene. According to my two eyes, they look like real humans who weren't created by animation people, so I'm assuming that something had to happen behind the editing. If it wasn't real at all regardless of the editing, then that's that, fuckin fool.
DeftonesBoy
04-16-2005, 10:30 PM
I still think you're a moron. The whole THING was staged, not just the guns. :rolleyes:
Melonhead1
04-16-2005, 10:33 PM
No one even answered this: If that is fake and someone edited it, then what the hell really happened in that scene in reality?
LMFAO wow.... he actully thought it really happened
I agree, moron....
autarchicflux
04-17-2005, 02:44 AM
Don't call me a moron without elaborating why I'm a moron. Obviously, that was edited, but then again, something else in reality could've happened during that scene. According to my two eyes, they look like real humans who weren't created by animation people, so I'm assuming that something had to happen behind the editing. If it wasn't real at all regardless of the editing, then that's that, fuckin fool.
You're a fucking idiot, man. This is two friends, one of whom owns a store, goofing around with a camera.
rand0m
04-17-2005, 06:34 AM
Yer shouldnt that guys head of exploded when he shot him, and shouldnt there be blood on the body when hes draging it out
Ruzan
04-17-2005, 06:16 PM
I like how when the clerk is dragging the guy away, theres no blood on the floor. I mean, thats as real as it gets right there.
afireinside4848
04-17-2005, 08:30 PM
If you watch closely you can see that he was reaching for his gun when the shopkeeper put the last couple of rounds in him, in fact he managed to grab it and was about to shoot again. He was still a serious threat to the shopkeeper and under american law the shopkeeper still had every right to eliminate the threat. The only thing that might get the guy in trouble would be putting his fingerprints on the gun and moving the body, but I guess people do strange things when the adrenaline is pumping and they just killed someone, most courts would probably overlook that.
he got shot in the face i dunt think he could see were to shoot his gun
thaInfamouzAlx
04-17-2005, 11:35 PM
shut up arguing over something so stupid.Its fake. period. Enough said. :banghead:
Powassan
04-17-2005, 11:47 PM
Wow, I cant believe you people think thats real. This vid is totally fake. Photoshopped. There were no casings being ejected from the gun. There was no blood. As for muzzle flash, they were totally overdone.
BradBrigade
04-18-2005, 02:17 PM
Guys. I am an expert in video fakeness, realityness theory. I have spent many hours analyzing this video and have finally reached a conclusion:
The video is fake.
I base my findings on a single fact:
IT LOOKS SOOOO FUCKEN FAKE!!!!1
Questions can be directed to the Munich Internet Video Fakeness Realityness Research Center in Munuch.
Brother Justin
04-18-2005, 04:10 PM
This clip was TOTALLY REAL.
Here is the evidence for my case:
The man who was shot CLEARLY covered his face. You would only put your hand on your face like that if you had been shot at point-blank range.
The clerk used a "Delta Force" grip on his weapon for maximum effectiveness. You can't fake that level of expertise.
All of the action in this clip plays out EXACTLY like the gun fights on the A-Team (except here someone died, and on the A-Team nobody ever died).
The muzzle flares were caused by the magic missle spells that had been cast on the weapons. The robber had -16 bullet defense in the head, and the warekeeper took advantage of the oversight. The guy should have equipped boots of escaping. What a N00b.
Case closed.
BradBrigade
04-18-2005, 04:51 PM
Your mom is "TOTALLY REAL"!!
You don't even know what is Delta Force, or the A-Team probably. Prbably you just heart you mom say that stuff when she serev you pancakes in bed this morning. Dude, thats' so gay!!!!!!
People DON'T cover their feces when shot point blank. They fall to there knees with there ARMS OUT and scream very loud and don't stop till tey die that's how come you know there DEAD!!!
And as far you stupid "Booths of Escaping" nonsense, they were in a close store, not a shoe store. Plus I looked them up on ebay. Those boots don't even exists!!
Don't evenTRY to comment on a video fakeness or realityness when I have give MY FINAL ASSESSMENT! YOU don't had the degree, I DO. If I say the movies is real, then it's real, and yout arguing only makes you look like a TOOL.
The only one her who is fake is YOU!
Brother Justin
04-18-2005, 05:41 PM
People DON'T cover their feces when shot point blank.
:icon_rofl I can't breathe.
ratboy
04-19-2005, 12:24 AM
of course it's fake. A goofy lookin fat white boy pulling an armed robbery?? HAHAHA
Where's the nigger???
Chungin
04-19-2005, 05:28 PM
This is two friends, one of whom owns a store, goofing around with a camera.
And how in the bloody hell am I suppose to know that???
:lol: All of your opinions means as much as the gum on my shoe.
Give me a precise, detailed paragraph with scientific evidence on why I'm a moron and a fuckin idiot, stupid blatherers.
I never thought it was real. I was just suspecting that it might have been real.
Then I said: If it wasn't real at all regardless of the editing, then that's that, fuckin fool.
Learn how to read.
This clip was TOTALLY REAL.
Here is the evidence for my case:
The man who was shot CLEARLY covered his face. You would only put your hand on your face like that if you had been shot at point-blank range.
The clerk used a "Delta Force" grip on his weapon for maximum effectiveness. You can't fake that level of expertise.
All of the action in this clip plays out EXACTLY like the gun fights on the A-Team (except here someone died, and on the A-Team nobody ever died).
The muzzle flares were caused by the magic missle spells that had been cast on the weapons. The robber had -16 bullet defense in the head, and the warekeeper took advantage of the oversight. The guy should have equipped boots of escaping. What a N00b.
Case closed.
Okay, if I'm a moron and an idiot, then what's this? (assuming he's being honest).
:lol:
autarchicflux
04-19-2005, 06:29 PM
Give me a precise, detailed paragraph with scientific evidence on why I'm a moron and a fuckin idiot.
Our lives don't revolve around cowtowing to your inane ramblings. Fuck off.
And how in the bloody hell am I suppose to know that???
:lol: All of your opinions means as much as the gum on my shoe.
Give me a precise, detailed paragraph with scientific evidence on why I'm a moron and a fuckin idiot, stupid blatherers.
I never thought it was real. I was just suspecting that it might have been real.
Then I said:
Learn how to read.
""""
This clip was TOTALLY REAL.
Here is the evidence for my case:
The man who was shot CLEARLY covered his face. You would only put your hand on your face like that if you had been shot at point-blank range.
The clerk used a "Delta Force" grip on his weapon for maximum effectiveness. You can't fake that level of expertise.
All of the action in this clip plays out EXACTLY like the gun fights on the A-Team (except here someone died, and on the A-Team nobody ever died).
The muzzle flares were caused by the magic missle spells that had been cast on the weapons. The robber had -16 bullet defense in the head, and the warekeeper took advantage of the oversight. The guy should have equipped boots of escaping. What a N00b.
Case closed.
""""
Okay, if I'm a moron and an idiot, then what's this? (assuming he's being honest).
:lol:
That post by BradBrigade. You didn't actually take it seriously did you? :wtf:
j4dice
04-20-2005, 05:53 PM
I agree with the guy above me.
BradBrigade
04-20-2005, 07:12 PM
Okay, if I'm a moron and an idiot, then what's this? (assuming he's being honest).
Assuming he's being honest? You do realize that "magic missile" spells and "boots of escaping" are fictitious, right? Or did you just not bother to read to the end of his post?
Please tell me that's what happened...
PlasticMan2112
04-21-2005, 02:11 AM
I don't buy the threat posed. I know the adrenaline is pumping at the time but the owner had every chance to remove the gun from the robber's hand. Instead he seemed to think he was Antonio Banderas from Desperado blazing away. I have no idea why he decides to drag the guy away before calling the cops.
It's kind of hard to think straight when you had a gun pulled on you and you just shot someone. Your thoughts would be moving so fast it would be very hard to think straight. Under pressure some people make pretty stupid mistakes or do pretty stupid things, especially if he was under as much pressure as that. I would probably pop a few more rounds in that asshole, I'd have shit my pants if I had a gun pulled on me.
nimbus510
04-25-2005, 09:29 PM
the video is fake you fucking morons. all you need to reproduce that is any cheap video editing program. i cant even believe it made it to the front page of the site.
shit maybe i need to make a fake movie like that, you're all stupid enought to fucking believe it
Zinglo
04-26-2005, 10:09 PM
i think most people will know it is fake...kinda entertaining though, not the best
The Truth
04-29-2005, 01:57 PM
I'm glad Ebaums revealed that video being fake because I never would have guessed it. /sarcasm
LoPan
04-30-2005, 05:10 AM
I'm glad Ebaums revealed that video being fake because I never would have guessed it. /sarcasm
Ya beat me to that. :icon_rofl
I'm waiting for their next video: The Earth Is Not Actually Flat (parenthetically titled HA HA We Tricked You).
EDIT:
the video is fake you fucking morons. all you need to reproduce that is any cheap video editing program. i cant even believe it made it to the front page of the site.
shit maybe i need to make a fake movie like that, you're all stupid enought to fucking believe it
Whoa man slow down...why all the hate and discontent? The genereal consencious was it was a fake...
Dang...YOUR fake movie would be you smiling.
I cant get the EXPOSED video to work,it doesnt play and then when I try to save it it says that the file either doent exist or the address has changed.WTF.:-(
SmokeyMcPot317
05-01-2005, 11:33 AM
you dumbass! if you look at the time that the video was taken place it jumps....the real order of which it happened is that the robber walked in and began to "browze the clothes"... then walked up and tried to rob him... the video isn't fake but the animation is... its a horrible thing to do to real event.... its kinda like someone making a video about 9/11... you just don't touch things like that
Chungin
05-03-2005, 08:44 PM
you dumbass! if you look at the time that the video was taken place it jumps....the real order of which it happened is that the robber walked in and began to "browze the clothes"... then walked up and tried to rob him... the video isn't fake but the animation is... its a horrible thing to do to real event.... its kinda like someone making a video about 9/11... you just don't touch things like that
My thought exactly. LOL, look at all those reputations given to me with people calling me a moron. Desperate people...
autarchicflux
05-04-2005, 11:17 AM
My thought exactly. LOL, look at all those reputations given to me with people calling me a moron. Desperate people...
Haha, too bad the video has already been thoroughly exposed, the people who faked it came out and admitted it last week. Why not check the front page, Chungin?
SmokeyMcPot317
05-04-2005, 07:06 PM
"eBaum' lied to you... its just a video trying to prove that fact is fiction and Ebaum for some reson thought it was real... anyway www.big-boys.com is a better humor/action video web-site
DeftonesBoy
05-04-2005, 10:57 PM
"eBaum' lied to you... its just a video trying to prove that fact is fiction and Ebaum for some reson thought it was real... anyway www.big-boys.com is a better humor/action video web-site
Too bad big boys always put false or totally off descriptions for their videos. They suck. You suck.
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