View Full Version : Ben Roethlisberger 2005-2006 season
Jman6669
05-05-2005, 08:55 AM
Being a big steeler fan i want to know what people think big ben is goin to do this season after the bad playoffs and without his main target plex?
Nerdcraft
05-05-2005, 09:05 AM
Bettis is a year older and fatter, Duece isn't going to stay healthy, and he has only one wide receiver. He better hope Heath Miller is all that he is cracked up to be or Big Ben is in deep shit. He wasn't a main part of their offense last year anyways, he was carried by the running game and defense, and you guys lost 2 line backers. Go Browns
Jman6669
05-05-2005, 10:37 AM
yuh and one of the linebackers we lost sucks he is always injuryed bell is worthless and we still are goin to have the ebst D (well at least better then the browns)
xboxfever.com
05-05-2005, 11:04 AM
Big Ben is the real deal, even if the Pats among others showed how to confuse him. He will be fine. The big knock on him will be that now there is film of him in that system that DCs can study and game plan for.
I think the Squealers got themselves the best QB in that draft and will do just fine with him for the foreseable future.
Plax sucks the big one. He never had the big numbers. They won't miss him all that much.
atreyu_2020
05-05-2005, 01:36 PM
Bettis is a year older and fatter, Duece isn't going to stay healthy, and he has only one wide receiver. He better hope Heath Miller is all that he is cracked up to be or Big Ben is in deep shit. He wasn't a main part of their offense last year anyways, he was carried by the running game and defense, and you guys lost 2 line backers. Go Browns
How do you know if Bettis is fatter? Do you keep a 24/7 autobiography about him? And even so if he gets a year older and fatter, he still averaged over 100+ yards and over 10 TD's didnt he?
Any player can get hurt, Duece Staley is injury prone, this is true, but when he wasnt injured, he ran all over your Browns defense like they were nothing, and when he's healthy, he's a beast.
Big Ben has one receiver? Hm, yeah, Randle El didnt show his talents when Plax went down, right, Randle El isnt considered a "wide receiver", plus he's talented than any WR on the Browns team. Not to mention, with the signing of Cedrick Wilson, who may not be a playmaker, but be great on the inside will help Big Ben. Do you really think Plax leaves THAT big a mark leaving the Steelers? Sure he'll be missed, but not as much as you think, when Plax starts CATCHING the balls, then he'll be missed more.
He better hope Heath Miller isnt all that he's "cracked up to be". Right, just because your TE cant keep off the IR, doesnt mean our TE will.
Everyone on that offense contributed, including Big Ben, and he was a big part of it, Tommy Maddox would have never made it to where Ben got.
We lost 2 linebackers, I dont know where you get your information, or if you're just making shit up. The Steelers lost one injury prone linebacker who didnt even start 3 games this season, Kendrell Bell, we never needed him, and as for this second linebacker, get your source correct, Bell is the only linebacker gone from the Steelers, and trust me, it wont make 1 dent.
rythm9
05-05-2005, 01:44 PM
I don't think Big Ben is going to win 15 games this year. He knows how to win in the NFL and this year he is going to learn how to lose. The Steelers will be there in January but I don't see them being the power house they were last year.
TheDawgPound72
05-05-2005, 05:04 PM
Bettis is a year older and fatter, Duece isn't going to stay healthy, and he has only one wide receiver. He better hope Heath Miller is all that he is cracked up to be or Big Ben is in deep shit. He wasn't a main part of their offense last year anyways, he was carried by the running game and defense, and you guys lost 2 line backers. Go Browns
What he said.
Steelers will be nothing...
Pfef63
05-05-2005, 05:11 PM
Trent Dilfer > Ben Roethlisberger
Now for the serious post. I think he'll be just as good as last year. Not too extremely improved, but just enough to make the Steelers contenders. Just like Tom Brady, he's a system quarterback, and he'll thrive in it. won't be better than Eli, but he fits in perfectly to give his team the best chance to win.
atreyu_2020
05-06-2005, 01:20 AM
What he said.
Steelers will be nothing...
Only a bitter favoritism Browns fan, even if the Steelers did "nothing" this season, it's a lot more than what the Browns will do.
I also love how Brown fans keep bringing up the fact Bettis is getting up in age, while Trent Dilfer is only 1 month younger than Bettis, smart.
Nerdcraft
05-06-2005, 09:06 AM
Only a bitter favoritism Browns fan, even if the Steelers did "nothing" this season, it's a lot more than what the Browns will do.
I also love how Brown fans keep bringing up the fact Bettis is getting up in age, while Trent Dilfer is only 1 month younger than Bettis, smart.
Listen we know the Browns are bad, and stop talking about the Browns, this is a Steelers thread, go Brown bashing in a Brown bashing thread moron. Oh ya Trent Dilfer isn't fat.
xboxfever.com
05-06-2005, 11:56 AM
I also love how Brown fans keep bringing up the fact Bettis is getting up in age, while Trent Dilfer is only 1 month younger than Bettis, smart.
Surely, you see the difference in terms of being a RB and the pounding a guy like Bettis has taken in his career, and being a QB who was not even a starter for all of his career, right? :)
atreyu_2020
05-06-2005, 11:56 AM
Listen we know the Browns are bad, and stop talking about the Browns, this is a Steelers thread, go Brown bashing in a Brown bashing thread moron. Oh ya Trent Dilfer isn't fat.
Whenever anyone wants to bash the Steelers, I bash back, you would do the same if we were in a Browns thread, and you know it.
And you still havent replied to my comment on your old post, who is this second linebacker the Steelers let go?
TheDawgPound72
05-06-2005, 05:01 PM
Why the Steelers will be bad
QB- Big Ben had a good, not great last year, and if you look at his numbers, it's nothing spectacular, just enough to get the job done (a guy like Brady), but it will be harder this year since:
RB- Bettis is a year older, and yes, that does matter. A pocket QB like Dilfer can be 40 and succeed, but a RB who has taken a beating for his career and is that old, plays like he's 50. Staley is a question mark, can he stay healthy?
WR- Hines Ward.........Randel El.......then um........Cedric Wilson..... Yeah, not to good at all. Ward will get his 1000 yds and 5 TD, but outside of that, don't expect much from anyone else.
TE- Heath Miller was a steal, will be good.
OL- Lost their starting OT and a backup, and they do have a player in place, but you can never have enough OL (oh yes, like the Browns!, got us, BROWNS SUCK!!!!...wanted to get that outta the way so you didn't have to bring it up)
DL- Nothing great here, but will get the job done
LB- They lost Kendrell Bell, who albeit, didn't play much last year, but it still hurts losing a guy to his ability. Farrior had his career year last year, and won't match that. Joey Porter will play like Joey Parter.
CB- If they got/get Ty Law, then they will be good. What they have now...ha...
S- Polamalu's a beast...
this = not the best team in the AFC North
xboxfever.com
05-06-2005, 09:14 PM
Why the Steelers will be bad
QB- Big Ben had a good, not great last year, and if you look at his numbers, it's nothing spectacular, just enough to get the job done (a guy like Brady)
Are you out of your mind? You are equating a rookie QB with one good half year to a 3 SB winner, who is the best QB in the league... don't you see a bit of a disconnect?
Tom Brady is a lot more than a guy "just enough to get the job done." Think about it: do you think RAC wouldn't take Brady over anyone he's got on the roster right now? Yeah, I thought so... not to mention that just about the whole league would swap their starting QB for Brady straight up, too.
If you want your NFL posts to be taken seriously, please refrain from this sort of silliness.
TheBigDelly
05-06-2005, 09:32 PM
Bettis is a year older and fatter, Duece isn't going to stay healthy, and he has only one wide receiver. He better hope Heath Miller is all that he is cracked up to be or Big Ben is in deep shit. He wasn't a main part of their offense last year anyways, he was carried by the running game and defense, and you guys lost 2 line backers. Go Browns
the steelers still have 2 other good backs (parker and haynes) and heath miller will be the next tony gonzalaz, plus ward will still get it done. if not a-ho...
ravenzfootball9
05-06-2005, 09:44 PM
the ravens > the other temas in the AFC north
Devastation
05-06-2005, 11:32 PM
Who's Ben Roethlisberger?
;)
Go Browns.
Steelers will be just as good as they were last year if not better. Heath Miller will be great for them.
xboxfever.com
05-07-2005, 02:44 PM
Steelers will be just as good as they were last year if not better. Heath Miller will be great for them.
funny thing about Heath Miller is that in the past years, he would have been the 3rd best TE in the draft at best. I don't think that he is a bad player, but I don't think that he is as good as a Daniel Graham, J. Shockey, Kellen "Fucking Soldier" Winslow II, Ben Watson, etc...
How much of an impact he will have I clearly don't know at this stage, but I don't think that it will be nearly as much as the hype has been leading us to believe either...
I can't wait to see Rodney Harrison decleat his ass and welcome him to the bigs :D
atreyu_2020
05-08-2005, 07:36 PM
RB- Bettis is a year older, and yes, that does matter. A pocket QB like Dilfer can be 40 and succeed, but a RB who has taken a beating for his career and is that old, plays like he's 50. Staley is a question mark, can he stay healthy?
Plays like he's 50? I believe Bettis started halfway through the season, and almost rushed for over 1,000 yards, as he continued to break through linebackers and linemen. No one wants to know about Staley, we all know he's injury prone, and will most likely be injured, but then theres Vernon Haynes who's very good with the screen, and Willie Parker, who umm, ran for 120+ yards on the great Buffalo defense with a 3rd string offensive lineman. Running back is not an issue with the Steelers.
WR- Hines Ward.........Randel El.......then um........Cedric Wilson..... Yeah, not to good at all. Ward will get his 1000 yds and 5 TD, but outside of that, don't expect much from anyone else.?
Ohh I see, so I see you need more than 2 impact wide receivers to be considered a good football team. I'm sure you're taking the 5 TD's to be an insult, when really it isnt. Hines was never a threat in the endzone, nor really is he a threat as a wide receiver. Hines motto is blocking, route running, and catching, he does those things perfectly, he doesnt have the dominant speed or lightening quick cut, but he gets the job done, and since uh, Hines has been the leading receiver for all these years now, it looks like the Steelers dont have much to worry about at the wide receiver position.
OL- Lost their starting OT and a backup, and they do have a player in place, but you can never have enough OL (oh yes, like the Browns!, got us, BROWNS SUCK!!!!...wanted to get that outta the way so you didn't have to bring it up)
You know, you're absolutely right, it's a good thing if Faneca goes down, we have Kendall Simmons, and it's a good thing if Hartings goes down, we have Okobi, trust me, our line will be just as good as it was this year as it was last year. And if you want to really look at it, the pass blocking wasnt too great last year anyway, if you didnt notice Big Ben running for his life most of the time. So umm, no worries at the OL position.
DL- Nothing great here, but will get the job done
Maybe this is the part where I will agree with you. Kimo is getting slow, and will most likely retire after this year. However, Aaron Smith is something special, the guy is a machine, and a great pass rusher, not only that, dominant against the run, Casey Hampton is still young, and was hurt early in the season, but he was being dominant as the nose tackle, when he's healthy, he's awesome as well. So hey, I guess this isnt the part where I agree with you.
LB- They lost Kendrell Bell, who albeit, didn't play much last year, but it still hurts losing a guy to his ability. Farrior had his career year last year, and won't match that. Joey Porter will play like Joey Parter.
Dont forget, Bell didnt play most of the 2003 season as well. Okay, Farrior had his career year, doesnt mean he's going to be BAD this season, damn you're so 1 sided. The Steelers have one of the best linebacking core in the LEAGUE, Farrior, Haggans, Porter, Foote, and Harrison, all great linebackers. James Harrison nearly beat the Ravens and Bills single handedly. So uh, we dont have to worry about the linebacking position.
CB- If they got/get Ty Law, then they will be good. What they have now...ha...
Yes, heres the part where i agree with you. Steelers dont have 1 dominant cornerback, this is true. But you left out one part, they got the job done. With the releasing of Chad Scott, this only makes our CB core better. Willie Williams stepped up at the starting position, while Deshea Townsend had a better year than Chris McAllister. But yes, somewhere down the line, the Steelers need to start thinking about what they will do there, if they sign Ty Law, it would make things better, for sure.
So, as I was saying, the Steelers are not in bad shape. They are practically the same team they were last year, except with the departure of Burress and 1 starting and 1 backup offensive lineman. But all in all dawgpound, whether you dont like it or not, the Steelers are better than the Browns, and will continue to be for a long time.
djfrench
05-08-2005, 08:01 PM
I've said it once and I'll say it again. MAC QB's are the future. I'm a Packer fan and seriously wish the Packers would have waited on a QB and taken a MAC QB this year or next year. I'm guessing that Roethlisberger will throw for over 3,000 yards.
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