Free America?

[carnage]

If this goes through and they intend to enforce it, then it's a very bad time for freedoms in America.



HR-1528 - Americans Forced
To Spy On Each
Other, Or Else
From Guy Herron
6-2-5

It's time we started calling this crap what it is. Representative Sensenbrenner (see article below) has come up with yet another ironically named attack on our freedoms the "Defending America's Most Vulnerable: Safe Access to Drug Treatment and Child Protection Act of 2005" (H.R. 1528) This act would require you to report any of the following examples to the police or face a two year jail sentence.

* You see someone you know pass a joint to a 20-year old college student.

* Your cousin mentions that he bought Ecstasy for some of his college friends.

* You find out that your brother, who has kids, recently bought a small amount of marijuana to share with his wife.

* Your substance-abusing daughter recently begged her boyfriend to find her some drugs even though they're both in drug treatment.

* You can also be forced to go under cover in order to trap your friends or relations into giving the police enough evidence to prosecute them -- do it or go to jail yourself.

We have just finished observing Memorial Day in which we honor the soldiers who gave their lives defending this countries' freedoms. The kind of law that Sensenbrenner is proposing would be perfectly fitting in Hitler's Nazi Germany. How many people died in order to prevent Hitler from imposing this kind of government on the rest of the world? Sensenbrenner's H. R. 1528 is Fascism, so let us call it what it is. We show a fine sense of gratitude to our heroic dead when we sheepishly allow miscreants like Sensenbrenner impose the Fascism that they fought against on us.

Memorial Day is a good time to assess our country and our citizenship in it. I think, though, that a second opinion would be useful. Let us use our imaginations to call up the ghosts of our countries dead defenders and ask them what they think. Perhaps we can ask the spirit of one of the corpses bobbing in the surf of Normandy beach on D-day what he thinks of Sensenbrenner and his legislation. What do you think he'd say? And perhaps we can call up the ghost of an Eighth Air Force air crewman, who, too badly wounded to bail out of his B-17, rode it down to it's fiery death on the soil of Germany, as many hundreds of them did. What would he think of the USA Patriot Act which undermines American freedom in a way that would have made Hitler proud? What would he think of the people that wrote it? Or the people that voted for it?

And finally, can we face these imaginary dead and justify our citizenship to them? Are we letting freedoms' enemies within do to us what freedoms' enemies without could not? I think we are, I think that America is failing on our watch and if it goes down it will be our fault. What do you think? What would freedom's fallen defenders think?

Guy Herron Murray, Utah USA

cc Representative Jim Matheson, Just about every activist I know.

You've Been Drafted - Uncle Sam Wants You For The War On Drugs

Drug Policy.org 5-18-5

"I want to thank the over 4,400 people who have sent emails to their Representatives opposing Congressman Sensenbrenner's draconian mandatory minimum sentencing bill. This bill is now garnering national attention.

This bill would have serious consequences for our democracy, requiring you to spy on all your neighbors, including going undercover and wearing a wire if needed. Refusing to become a spy for the government would be punishable by a mandatory prison sentence of at least two years.

We need your help to fight this bill, including your ideas.

We alerted you last week to the bill, entitled "Defending America's Most Vulnerable: Safe Access to Drug Treatment and Child Protection Act of 2005" (H.R. 1528). Thousands of you have faxed Congress in opposition to the bill and we've already raised $2,000 online to fight it. Thank you!

We already told you about many of the terrible provisions in this legislation, but we are especially concerned about a section of the bill that turns every American into an agent of the state. Here's how it works:

If you "witness" certain drug offenses taking place or "learn" that they took place you would have to report the offense to law enforcement within 24 hours and provide "full assistance" in the investigation, apprehension, and prosecution of the people involved. Failure to do so would be a crime punishable by a mandatory two year prison sentence.

Here are some examples of offenses you would have to report to the police within 24 hours:

* You see someone you know pass a joint to a 20-year old college student.

* Your cousin mentions that he bought Ecstasy for some of his college friends.

* You find out that your brother, who has kids, recently bought a small amount of marijuana to share with his wife.

* Your substance-abusing daughter recently begged her boyfriend to find her some drugs even though they're both in drug treatment.

In each of these cases you face jail time if you don't call the police within 24 hours. It doesn't matter if the offender is your friend or relative. It also doesn't matter if you need 48 hours to think about it. You have to report the person to the government within 24 hours or go to jail. You also have to assist the government in every way, including wearing a wire if needed. Refusing to cooperate would cost you at least two years in prison (possibly up to ten). In addition to turning family member against family member, the legislation could also put many Americans into dangerous situations by forcing them to go undercover to gain evidence against strangers.

This is what we're up against in Congress and, as I told you last week, it's not going to be easy. Sensenbrenner, the chair of the powerful Judiciary Committee, usually gets what he wants. Lots of people are afraid to challenge him. But we have a duty to our children to stop our country from turning into a police state. I'm sure you feel this duty, as well."


http://www.drugpolicy.org/news/051805sensen.cfm




http://www.rense.com

[Ace Hippie]

I actually talked with someone who was complaining about this today, a constituent I think it was. I'm of the opinion that the drug laws are not working and, at least in some/many cases, ought to be relaxed a bit, but that isn't a very popular view here in Congress right now. Or America, for that matter.

[Maverick]

I understand what they are trying to do and would agree with them if the age they were referring to was 15, but 20 is too old. A person is considered an adult at 18 and is thereby accountable for their own actions.

[BlCkDeAtH]

Can the government actually force us to tattle on our family and friends?
The reason why I used the word tattle is because this reminds me of 1st grade when people told on people when they said "naughty words."

EDIT:There's no way this bill is gonna pass. Don't bs bills like this get proposed all the time?

[vchampionl70]

I understand what they are trying to do and would agree with them if the age they were referring to was 15, but 20 is too old. A person is considered an adult at 18 and is thereby accountable for their own actions.

All drugs should be legal for adults.

[Devastation]

I'm telling on you.

[Aelfgeft]

:lol: I'd LOVE to see them enforce that law.

[Maverick]

All drugs should be legal for adults.
Your response has nothing to do with my statement.

[greeno144]

It's a horrible idea. If a law such as that were actually passed, America's prisons would be hugely overpopulated. Hasn't the number of U.S. prisoners actually doubled sicne 1982, about 2 million? Like somebody else said, the government would have a fit trying to enforce that one...

[bergshadow]

I'd LOVE to see them enforce that law. Laws like that are not intended to be enforced on everyone. They are selectively enforced, according to the political needs of those in power.

[Kazimierz]

The direction that this country is headed, laws like that will eventually be passed and enforced.

Freedom > Security

[firepiss]

All drugs should be legal for adults.

Ouch! That was a insane statement. Why?

Let's say you have brain surgery. Your doctor is going to work on you. Your doctor isn't as smart as he use to be because he took one too many e pills to where he has burned holes threw his brain. He took these because of how stressful his job is. They could not get a better doctor at the time because majority of doctors are all hooked into drugs, there wouldn't be enough decent damn doctors out there. It can happen, some doctors do take E, Crack etc currently. Wouldn't it be scary to have a doctor that does drugs work on your brain? :wtf: (Sorry if the example is a little weird)


However, I do understand your point. If your over 21, you should be mature enough to take drugs as much as you want. However again, nobody is mature when they are on drugs, driving down interestate wrecking into a van full of youthfull harmless kids would be horrible. :mad:

Drugs = problems, deaths.



I'm actually for enforcing this thing. Why?

1) I don't touch drugs. Instead, I smoke too many cigarettes and drink beer instead. So I have nothing to hide. :D

2) If you saw a kid passing a joint or pills to another. Hell yeah, bitch his ass at. Because you could be saving that kids life someday. Also it's like you telling the police on a man out for hitting his wife. Theres nothing different. It's both breaking the laws!


Most people keep complaining about how the goverment is taking our rights away. That's where your wrong! Back in the 1800s, smoking pot, doing crack wasn't an issue at all. Few if anybody did it then. There wasn't cars either so you wouldn't have to worrey about being on drugs while driving.

People have abused it's freedom if anything causing the goverment to be involved.


It's a horrible idea. If a law such as that were actually passed, America's prisons would be hugely overpopulated. Hasn't the number of U.S. prisoners actually doubled sicne 1982, about 2 million? Like somebody else said, the government would have a fit trying to enforce that one...

Your right on that one. Prisons would have way too much people. I believe they should send them to rehabs more often than jail. Where they will be stuck in rehab more longer than it is currently.

If they still keep fucking up, send them to South America or some 3rd world country for punishment. :lol:

[vchampionl70]

Ouch! That was a insane statement. Why?

Let's say you have brain surgery. Your doctor is going to work on you. Your doctor isn't as smart as he use to be because he took one too many e pills to where he has burned holes threw his brain. He took these because of how stressful his job is. They could not get a better doctor at the time because majority of doctors are all hooked into drugs, there wouldn't be enough decent damn doctors out there. It can happen, some doctors do take E, Crack etc currently. Wouldn't it be scary to have a doctor that does drugs work on your brain? :wtf: (Sorry if the example is a little weird)

It would, but I'd choose a doctor who refrains from drug usage. Just because it is legal does not mean that everyone is obliged to take part. I think you used yourself as a fine example of that.

Drugs will be less of a "taboo" if legalized, and in fact the legalization of drugs may very well help to reveal how stupid they actually are. It may act as a deterrant unlike those stupid commercials that are on tv right now.

[droogsteve]

Ouch! That was a insane statement. Why?

Let's say you have brain surgery. Your doctor is going to work on you. Your doctor isn't as smart as he use to be because he took one too many e pills to where he has burned holes threw his brain. He took these because of how stressful his job is. They could not get a better doctor at the time because majority of doctors are all hooked into drugs, there wouldn't be enough decent damn doctors out there. It can happen, some doctors do take E, Crack etc currently. Wouldn't it be scary to have a doctor that does drugs work on your brain? :wtf: (Sorry if the example is a little weird)

That is the same specious argument that people bring up all of the time, and it's simply idiotic. If drugs were legal, would you run out and start doing massive amounts of E? No? So why the fuck would you think that anyone else would?

And as you pointed out, anyone who wants it can already get it. The people who want to do drugs are already doing drugs. All legalizing would do would be free up the TRILLIONS of dollars spent on the completely failed "war on drugs" to spend on things like treatment for addicts that want to quit and massive anti-drug education campaigns aimed at children. Part of the reason drugs are considered "cool" is BECAUSE they're illegal. The inner city kids would no longer have the dealer with the Benz to look up to. It's hard to tell them drugs are for losers when they see a dealer wearing a necklace that costs more than their father makes in a year.

Another benefit would be the reduction in murder and other violence. The term "drug related murder" ,which most inner city murders are, doesn't mean that people take drugs and murder people. It means that people kill to control the illegal drug trade. Legalize drugs, and that violence goes away overnight. Didn't we learn anything from alcohol prohibition? It didn't stop anyone from drinking. All it did was take a bunch of small time criminals and turn them into the hugely powerful organized crime syndicates.


However, I do understand your point. If your over 21, you should be mature enough to take drugs as much as you want. However again, nobody is mature when they are on drugs, driving down interstate wrecking into a van full of youthfull harmless kids would be horrible. :mad:

And that is worse that the current drunk driving problem....how? :confused:

Drugs = problems, deaths.

Smoking kills 600,000 Americans EVERY YEAR! So please don't start with any bullshit about drugs being illegal to save lives. If every drug in the world were legal, it wouldn't add up to a fraction of 600,000 deaths a year.


1) I don't touch drugs.

You remind me of Mr Garrison's landlord on South Park: "Having never tried drugs of any kind, I can say with confidence that they have absolutely nothing to offer!" :rolleyes:


Instead, I smoke too many cigarettes and drink beer instead. So I have nothing to hide. :D

So you're a hypocrite. Alcohol is a drug. MUCH more dangerous than weed, or even cocaine. So is nicotine. Cigarettes kill more than all other drugs combined. I guess as long as YOUR drugs of choice are legal, fuck everyone else, right?

2) If you saw a kid passing a joint or pills to another. Hell yeah, bitch his ass at. Because you could be saving that kids life someday. Also it's like you telling the police on a man out for hitting his wife. Theres nothing different. It's both breaking the laws!

Yeah! They're breaking the law, it's your responsibility to turn them in! And turn in your brother for his pirate cable box! And rat out your neighbor for not declaring that money he won in the Super Bowl pool to the IRS. Oh, don't forget to turn in the bar that ran the Super Bowl pool for gambling too!! Police states are fun!! :)


Most people keep complaining about how the goverment is taking our rights away. That's where your wrong! Back in the 1800s, smoking pot, doing crack wasn't an issue at all. Few if anybody did it then.

Hmmm, interesting. Back then drugs were legal, and most people didn't do them. Right after they were banned, drug use skyrocketed. Just like alcohol use during prohibition......

People have abused it's freedom if anything causing the goverment to be involved.

Yeah. And people are abusing that stupid free speech freedom too, let's get the government involved.


Your right on that one. Prisons would have way too much people. I believe they should send them to rehabs more often than jail. Where they will be stuck in rehab more longer than it is currently.

You can't "send" people to rehabs and expect it to work. People have to WANT to quit. Also, despite what you might believe, the vast majority of drug users are not drug addicts. If someone who does a few lines of coke at parties a couple of times a year is sent to a rehab, it's a colossal waste of time and money. On the other hand, if drugs were legal, we would have plenty of money for treatment on demand for any addict who wanted to quit.

If they still keep fucking up, send them to South America or some 3rd world country for punishment. :lol:

See, this attitude is the whole problem with the anti-drug crusaders. When you have a few beers on a Friday night, are you "fucking up"? Do you need "punishment"? That's the laughable thing about the so-called "War on Drugs". A drug is a substance, how the fuck can you be at "war" with a substance? It should be called the "War on Drug USERS". And who are drug users? They are regular Americans, just like you. We've declared "war" on our own citizens. I have no idea where your superior attitude comes from. You like your beer and cigarettes, maybe they prefer weed or E. There's no difference, a drug is a drug. Illegal drugs aren't inherently evil. Alcohol and tobacco are just as deadly as any other drug. You believe that you're somehow superior because some government bureaucrat declared your drugs "good" and other drugs "bad". That "good" drug users like you are upstanding citizens and "bad" drug users should be "punished"? Jesus Christ man, this actually makes sense to you?

And for the record: The only drug I use regularly is alcohol, I love my Guinness. But I do enjoy a few lines of cocaine on special occasions: New Year' Eve, concerts, etc. I do it maybe 2 or 3 times a year. I'm a 34 year old licensed plumber. I own a union shop that specializes in new construction. I employ 16 people, who are able to comfortably support their families because of me. I also own a home, pay my taxes, pay my mother's co-op maintenance fee and contribute every month to her IRA account.

Tell me, do I belong in jail because of my "fucked up" drug use?

[Nocturnal]

Well I think droog pretty much handled that one,

people do drugs, or they don't, the legality has little effect

just like teenagers, they drink and smoke or they don't, they all have acess to it

[/Tilt/]

Freedom isn't free. It costs a buck 'o five.

[YouEnjoyMyself]

"Well once upon a time in 1776 Thomas Jefferson signed his name on a piece of marijuana, and this document was a symbol of freedom and of liberty, at least for the rich, white, gentry. And time marched along, this plant that I referred to has been used for everything from medicine to the American flag. And now it seems to me that somewhere along the way things got messed up, yeah, messed up, for marijuana.



A gift of God to my brothers and me. Oh marijuanathe government wants to test me when I pee.



Well some say a conspiracy, ? chemical and ? paper industries combined to kill the competition, government hysteria, monopoly, and conflict of interest, with total impunity. Yeah, so, if you dont buy the conspiracy, just look at the reality that your tax dollars go to spray poison on the fields of a farmer in South America. And as an added bonus, your neighbor might be the proud recipient of that poison weed.



Oh marijuanathe government wants to test me when I pee. Oh marijuanaa gift of God to my brothers and me. Oh marijuanayou cant legislate your own morality. Oh marijuanathe government wants to test me when I pee.



Free from madness, chronic sadness, what is the half-life of bad propaganda? The policies fail, denied bail, you made him a demon now pay for his trip to prison. Hard to promote the status quote, but what is the shelf life of bad legislation? The hypocrite smirks, its a moral disgrace as he reads from the law that was written about the same time that he had his last original thoughts. Men said he was dying and the nausea and the pain left him wasting away and unable to keep a meal down. So he tried everything prescription could obtain but to no avail. The side effects were worse than the pain. So now he breaks the law to use the one thing that seems to help him out. But the people say, Oh hes just gettin high. Not to change the subject but, didnt you ever wonder why getting highs a crime. Yeah a crime.



Oh marijuanaa gift of God to my brothers and me. Oh marijuananow the government wants to test me when I pee. Oh marijuanathe government wants to test me when I pee. Oh marijuanathe government wants to test me when I pee. Oh marijuanathe government wants to test me when I pee. Oh marijuana(this is the part where everybody would sing along) when I pee"

It's a song.

____________________

Those of you against people having the right to smoke marijauna in the privacy of their own home are against freedom. And if you are against freedom you are against America.

It's really simple, I don't know why people don't see this as an issue of personal freedom.

[firepiss]

First off, I never said I never ever tried drugs. I use to do weed 24/7 when I was 16. Then I stopped doing any drug. I got too old for that.

I do it maybe 2 or 3 times a year. I'm a 34 year old licensed plumber. I own a union shop that specializes in new construction. I employ 16 people, who are able to comfortably support their families because of me. I also own a home, pay my taxes, pay my mother's co-op maintenance fee and contribute every month to her IRA account.

Sounds like your living a good life right now. But I once knew a man who had it all made like that. He had a good life ahead until one day he over dossed himself, now he is mentally brain damaged. He hardly ever touched drugs but once a month.

Yeah your right about beer, when they took it away. It only created more mobs and problems. But you think the solution is to legalize drugs and your thinking that the mobs will go away? Wrong.

The Mobs/gangs will find something else illegal that is far worse than e or any king drug/thing imagined.

Smoking kills 600,000 Americans EVERY YEAR! So please don't start with any bullshit about drugs being illegal to save lives. If every drug in the world were legal, it wouldn't add up to a fraction of 600,000 deaths a year.

Smoking does kill a good amount of people, but over time. Does smoking make you brain damaged? No. It's better to be smoking a cigar than to be smoking weed driving down the highway. Is it not?

Yet, candy bars can kill you overtime to? right? Make you over weight and cause you to have a heart attack at a early age.


See, this attitude is the whole problem with the anti-drug crusaders. When you have a few beers on a Friday night, are you "fucking up"? Do you need "punishment"? That's the laughable thing about the so-called "War on Drugs". A drug is a substance, how the fuck can you be at "war" with a substance? It should be called the "War on Drug USERS". And who are drug users? They are regular Americans, just like you. We've declared "war" on our own citizens. I have no idea where your superior attitude comes from. You like your beer and cigarettes, maybe they prefer weed or E. There's no difference, a drug is a drug. Illegal drugs aren't inherently evil. Alcohol and tobacco are just as deadly as any other drug. You believe that you're somehow superior because some government bureaucrat declared your drugs "good" and other drugs "bad". That "good" drug users like you are upstanding citizens and "bad" drug users should be "punished"? Jesus Christ man, this actually makes sense to you?

Well, I lost a few friends to that shit. You sort of change your mind set on life and the laws. I realized the law is only here to protect you. One of my ex good buddies is now retarded from E.

Last year, my cuz had the chance of a life time to take over a business and make a lot more money. But he is on meth and he gets caught by the police. Kissed his big job good bye. The police noticed he was carrying a pistol with him. He is now in jail for 5 years. My cuz was nice guy and never dared to buy a gun, but he did because he was hooked onto drugs. Drugs do lead to violence.

Alcohol and tobacco are just as deadly as any other drug.

I don't agree. Alcohol doesn't make you retarded over time. But it can harm other people. Let's face it, how many Americans do drugs? And look at how many Americans do Alcohol?

You can't "send" people to rehabs and expect it to work.

Right you are. But this is the best respectful thing we have to offer in modern day times to cure addiction from drugs.

Tell me, do I belong in jail because of my "fucked up" drug use?

Nope.

My final thought is: Drugs make you feel good when your on it, but overtime it can kill you. If they allowed all drugs, the country would be horrible. Your burgers at Burger King would taste like shit because the dumb fucks are on e. The whole working place would be changed, it's easy to hide shit when your on drugs than being drunk at work.

E would lead to fucktards putting the pill in the womens cup at parties or in bars. Without the women knowing about it. More women would wake up pregnant .

Good debate we have going here, Mr. MOD droogsteve. Please don't fire me from the forum. :shuffle:

Thanks.

Drugs will be less of a "taboo" if legalized, and in fact the legalization of drugs may very well help to reveal how stupid they actually are.

That could be true, vchampionl70.

[droogsteve]

Sounds like your living a good life right now. But I once knew a man who had it all made like that. He had a good life ahead until one day he over dossed himself, now he is mentally brain damaged. He hardly ever touched drugs but once a month.


Uh huh. And did drugs being illegal prevent that? Of course not. And the reason people overdose is because the potency of street drugs varies greatly. During prohibition, people commonly died or went blind from bathtub gin. You don't see that today, do you? Of course not.


Yeah your right about beer, when they took it away. It only created more mobs and problems. But you think the solution is to legalize drugs and your thinking that the mobs will go away? Wrong.

The Mobs/gangs will find something else illegal that is far worse than e or any king drug/thing imagined.

LOL, like what?

Fact: People are murdered every day for control of the drug trade. Fact: Take away the drug trade and those murders won't happen.



Smoking does kill a good amount of people, but over time. Does smoking make you brain damaged? No. It's better to be smoking a cigar than to be smoking weed driving down the highway. Is it not?

Like all opponents of legalization, you love to bring up the "driving down the highway" example. It's completely invalid. We don't ban alcohol to prevent drunk driving, do we? Of course not. The solution is harsh penalties for driving under the influence, not prohibition.

Yet, candy bars can kill you overtime to? right? Make you over weight and cause you to have a heart attack at a early age.

Right. So why not ban them too? After all, it's for our own good, right? I'll tell you why, because in a free country people should be free to make their own decisions, good OR bad.


Well, I lost a few friends to that shit. You sort of change your mind set on life and the laws. I realized the law is only here to protect you. One of my ex good buddies is now retarded from E.

Once again, you're spouting ridiculous propaganda. E does NOT make you retarded. If your friend is fucked up, it's because he received a bad dose. If drugs were legal, this would not happen.

Last year, my cuz had the chance of a life time to take over a business and make a lot more money. But he is on meth and he gets caught by the police. Kissed his big job good bye. The police noticed he was carrying a pistol with him. He is now in jail for 5 years. My cuz was nice guy and never dared to buy a gun, but he did because he was hooked onto drugs. Drugs do lead to violence.

Bullshit. Drugs don't MAKE you do anything. It's like people who get drunk and beat their wives. They claim that the alcohol made them do it. Bullshit, I could drink an entire keg and a bottle of tequila on top and I would never dream of hitting a woman. They hit their wives because they're assholes, the alcohol just gives them an excuse.

No drug can force a "nice guy" to buy a gun. If your friend was carrying a gun, it's because he was a moron. The drugs are an excuse.



I don't agree. Alcohol doesn't make you retarded over time. But it can harm other people. Let's face it, how many Americans do drugs? And look at how many Americans do Alcohol?

What difference does that make? By that logic, we should also ban speech that the majority doesn't agree with. Either we're a free country or we're NOT a free country.


My final thought is: Drugs make you feel good when your on it, but overtime it can kill you. If they allowed all drugs, the country would be horrible. Your burgers at Burger King would taste like shit because the dumb fucks are on e. The whole working place would be changed, it's easy to hide shit when your on drugs than being drunk at work.


That's ridiculous fear mongering. You don't think the "dumb fucks" at Burger King can get E now? Of course they can, and your burgers are fine. If drugs were legal, would YOU walk around stoned all of the time? Of course not. So why do you assume that everyone else would?


E would lead to fucktards putting the pill in the womens cup at parties or in bars. Without the women knowing about it. More women would wake up pregnant .

LOL!! You think that someone who is capable of drugging and raping a woman won't do it because drugs are illegal??!! :icon_rofl


Good debate we have going here, Mr. MOD droogsteve. Please don't fire me from the forum. :shuffle:

No one on this forum will ever be banned for posting their opinion. :)

[carnage]

Here's the complete bill

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.R.1528:

Here's an e/letter you can send to your congressman to oppose it.

http://actioncenter.drugpolicy.org/action/index.asp?step=2&item=26179

And here's a commentary on what it means.

http://actioncenter.drugpolicy.org/action/wacmoreinfo.asp?item=26179

My full respect to Droogsteve for the finest pro drug post I have ever come across. This bill is as right wing as you can fucking get. If this was in England I would be doing everything I possibly could to stop it. I don't believe for one second that it's meant to protect children, that is utter nonsense. There are much better ways to help, when dealing with children and drugs, than sending their parents to prison, how about educating them on the subject for a start. This is far more sinister than protecting children and could lead to a police state like the old ones in Eastern Europe where neighbour spied on neighbour and people disappeared in the night. This is divide and conquer tactics as used most recently in Africa and Iraq, only this time it's being used against the American people. Stop it now before it get's much worse.

[Maverick]

Uh huh. And did drugs being illegal prevent that? Of course not. And the reason people overdose is because the potency of street drugs varies greatly. During prohibition, people commonly died or went blind from bathtub gin. You don't see that today, do you? Of course not.
I don’t really want to get into this debate, but wanted to point out that mixing illicit drugs causes overdoses as well.

Edit: I left out ignorance and inexperience. How is legalization going to solve those problems?

I’ll paypal you the $.02 Droog.

[Kazimierz]

Uh huh. And did drugs being illegal prevent that? Of course not. And the reason people overdose is because the potency of street drugs varies greatly. During prohibition, people commonly died or went blind from bathtub gin. You don't see that today, do you? Of course not.

For Matt, too:

Brett is in the bathtub
Making soup for the ambassadors
And I am in the hallway
Singing to the troubadours

The kings are all lined up
Outside the gate
And the autumn bells are ringing
But they’ll just have to wait

Where is the joker?
Have you seen him around
With his three coned cap
That he wears like a clown?

Have you seen his stripped stockings
And heard his sad tale
About the kids under the carpet
And the purple humpbacked whales

Here come the ambassadors
They show up one by one
Brett is tasting all the soup
To see if it is done

Wendy’s on the windowsill
Waiting to be let in
And we’re all in the bathtub now
Making bathtub gin

The kings storm the hallway
They’ve climbed up through the gate
They didn’t mean to be impolite
But they just couldn’t wait

Here comes the joker
With his silly grin
He carries a martini
Made of bathtub gin

Here comes the joker
We all must laugh
Cause we’re all in this together
And we love to take a bath.

[gigatonblast]

I think it's safe to say that Droog just dropped the bomb. Well done.

You gonna give him a foot massage while your down there .... ?