uhh bush you're state of the union was gr8 but what about..

[lynch03]

10. The budget deficit will probably $500 billion, a record.

9. Some 2.5 million jobs have been lost, also a record.

8. Forget overtime pay. The administration is about to take overtime pay out of the pockets of 8 million low-level white collar workers - paralegals, emergency medical technicians, licensed practical nurses, certain secretaries, draftsmen, surveyors, lab technicians and others.

7. More than 500 American troops have been killed in Iraq. More than 2,000 have been wounded.

6. That Medicare drug benefit? It doesn't allow the government to negotiate lower drug prices for seniors.

5. Any mention of the following items in last year's State of the Union speech: 25,000 liters of anthrax; 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin; 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve gas; or those 16 words about uranium from Niger.

4. The actual size of Norway's contribution to the Iraq "coalition": 104 engineers.

3. That North Korea responded to his "axis of evil" threat by reprocessing spent fuel rods to make more nuclear bombs.

2. The environment - any part of it.

1. Osama bin whatshisname.

[Caveman]

You forgot about the millions of lives Bush has saved in Iraq by taking Saddam out of power.

[lynch03]

Originally posted by The Laker Dude
You forgot about the millions of lives Bush has saved in Iraq by taking Saddam out of power.

and you forgot about the 1000's he killed in the process , and who says he saved lives?? You don't know how many people he would have killed otherwise. The fact that most of Iraq opposes the U.S. occupation. You are really stupid just stop posting about topics you know nothing about.

[BigMattTheHobo]

Originally posted by lynch03
You are really stupid just stop posting about topics you know nothing about.


You just lost any respect that their might have been for you.

[lynch03]

Originally posted by BigMattTheHobo
You just lost any respect that their might have been for you.

DAMN!! I lost respect from "Big Matt the hobo" I feel so remorseful now :rolleyes:

[Caveman]

Originally posted by lynch03
and you forgot about the 1000's he killed in the process. You are really stupid just stop posting about topics you know nothing about.

Saving Millions with only a loss of 1000's is pretty damn good dumbass.

Originally posted by lynch03
You are really stupid just stop posting about topics you know nothing about.

After reading some of your pervious posts, it looks like you dont know what your talking about, and i am sure most of the people here would agree with me.

[droogsteve]

Stop the idiotic flaming, Lynch. I've checked two threads so far and you've started shit in both. Grow up and post like an adult. Last warning.

[Che]

Contrary to Lynch's statement, unfortunately so far it seems like only 40% of Iraq is against the US invasion, but I doubt this statistic and it likely will increase.

As for the "saving millions" because "Saddam throws people into grinders" and "slaughters 7895698128753245817234 children" that is pure propaganda bullshit.

[lynch03]

Originally posted by droogsteve
Stop the idiotic flaming, Lynch. I've checked two threads so far and you've started shit in both. Grow up and post like an adult. Last warning.

lemme ask u a question , are you a mod??

[Instigator]

Originally posted by lynch03
lemme ask u a question , are you a mod??

yes. Anyways, stop flaming plz.

[droogsteve]

Originally posted by lynch03
lemme ask u a question , are you a mod?? Lemme answer your question: Yes I am.

[Bergs]

You are really stupid just stop posting about topics you know nothing about.

I could say the same to you. Lets see, where to begin. How about in that same paragraph.

The fact that most of Iraq opposes the U.S. occupation.

Flatout wrong. The vast majority of Iraqis approve of the US toppling Saddam Hussein.

10. The budget deficit will probably $500 billion, a record.

In total dollars, not in percentage of GDP which is what really matters, not even close actually.

9. Some 2.5 million jobs have been lost, also a record.

Wait...you are calling Laker Dude an idiot? So 2.5 million lost jobs is more than the quarter of the population that lost their jobs during the Great Depression? So at most I guess the American population was 10 million in the 1930s? Also didnt it used to be 3.2 million? I guess thats called a RECOVERY.

8. Forget overtime pay. The administration is about to take overtime pay out of the pockets of 8 million low-level white collar workers - paralegals, emergency medical technicians, licensed practical nurses, certain secretaries, draftsmen, surveyors, lab technicians and others.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7907

It only affects supervisors that are payed a salary and not an annual wage, I've never heard of a salaried worker that was payed overtime. Have you?

7. More than 500 American troops have been killed in Iraq. More than 2,000 have been wounded.

In the most successful military operation in the history of the world. An entire country of millions of people liberated in 3 weeks with only 500 deaths including the post war occupation? Thats a fucking record for ya.

6. That Medicare drug benefit? It doesn't allow the government to negotiate lower drug prices for seniors.

It allows the government to pay for part or all of it smart guy and also allows seniors much more freedom in choosing their medicare plan.

4. The actual size of Norway's contribution to the Iraq "coalition": 104 engineers.

What is your point? What is the contribution to ANY international effort that includes the US? The US always dedicates 90% of the resources and troops.

3. That North Korea responded to his "axis of evil" threat by reprocessing spent fuel rods to make more nuclear bombs.

And is now being negotiated with in negotiations that include neighboring nations. Are you trying to say that being labeled part of the axis of evil drove them to do such? If so you are more fucktarded than I originally thought.

2. The environment - any part of it.

What is your point?

DAMN!! I lost respect from "Big Matt the hobo" I feel so remorseful now

You should, Matt is one of the few people on this board that usually disagrees with me that I or any other conservative likes.

[Bergs]

"Saddam throws people into grinders" and "slaughters 7895698128753245817234 children"

Ah, the rambling numbers thing, thats the Riki we all remember and hate

[droogsteve]

Originally posted by Bergs
Ah, the rambling numbers thing, thats the Riki we all remember and hate lol!! I didn't even notice that post. Really Rik, if you're going to take a new identity at least get some new material.

[Che]

I have tried to converse in a mature fashion Bergs, but it seems like you face no consequences for constantly flaming me, so from now on I'll be the same as you, you fucking prick. Suck my balls.

The vast majority doesn't support it, numbnuts. 60% is the best statistic you'll find, that is not a vast majority.

Wait...you are calling Laker Dude an idiot? So 2.5 million lost jobs is more than the quarter of the population that lost their jobs during the Great Depression? So at most I guess the American population was 10 million in the 1930s? Also didnt it used to be 3.2 million? I guess thats called a RECOVERY.

Recovery! My goodness! Now only 2.5 million people are jobless! The American economy is soaring! Grand! Dumbass.


In the most successful military operation in the history of the world. An entire country of millions of people liberated in 3 weeks with only 500 deaths including the post war occupation? Thats a fucking record for ya.

Haha, liberated, right. Well 500 deaths is low, yeah, but considering its by a bunch of GUERILLAS it just goes to show how unprepared your idiotic commanders were. Also, over 2000 have been put out of action due to disabling injuries, which are worse than deaths because they cost the government more to fix the guy.

And is now being negotiated with in negotiations that include neighboring nations. Are you trying to say that being labeled part of the axis of evil drove them to do such? If so you are more fucktarded than I originally thought.

No it had nothing to do with it. Moron. I guess they just decided to do it for no reason and the idiotic US prick waving had nothing to do with it. They are being negotiated with because this is a war the US can't afford to go into. Sure they'd defeat North Korea, but the entire current US military would be destroyed in the process, and thousands who would be drafted.

Yeah how's that for now, bitch.

[droogsteve]

Where did Bergs flame you, Riki? The only thing that he did to you was refer to your old screen name and posting habits.

[lynch03]

Originally posted by Bergs
I could say the same to you. Lets see, where to begin. How about in that same paragraph.



Flatout wrong. The vast majority of Iraqis approve of the US toppling Saddam Hussein.

Please back this up , what I have heard most iraqis "want the U.S. to leave" the only reason they support it is because they want them to fix the mess they made




In total dollars, not in percentage of GDP which is what really matters, not even close actually.



uhh ya whatever u say

Wait...you are calling Laker Dude an idiot? So 2.5 million lost jobs is more than the quarter of the population that lost their jobs during the Great Depression? So at most I guess the American population was 10 million in the 1930s? Also didnt it used to be 3.2 million? I guess thats called a RECOVERY.


And under how many presidents were that many jobs lost?? maybe.... one..




It only affects supervisors that are payed a salary and not an annual wage, I've never heard of a salaried worker that was payed overtime. Have you?


Ya so as long as it doesent effect the majority..ITS OK!!!


In the most successful military operation in the history of the world. An entire country of millions of people liberated in 3 weeks with only 500 deaths including the post war occupation? Thats a fucking record for ya.


Are you joking , succesful?? 10 thousand iraqis dead , hundreds of American soldiers dead , suicide bombs killing innocent children run rampant through the country everyday. ANd , the americans won't even let iraq hold free elections , which is a bad idea because whoever the americans put in will be assasinated his first day in office. NOt to mention we never found wmd , which doesent surprise me since most the intelligence was forged , and it turns out the president lied to the country for oil. But other then that...it was succesful!!! Oh and I like how the president talks about the troops bravery and how hard their working , then cuts combat pay and half to say THANK YOU SO MUCH

[Bergs]

I have tried to converse in a mature fashion Bergs,

That made me laugh out loud. Especially since I didnt flame you, I just made the pretty obvious observation that you are really bad at pretending not to be riki...riki.

Recovery! My goodness! Now only 2.5 million people are jobless! The American economy is soaring! Grand! Dumbass.

Lets see, when the amount of people who are unemployed goes from 3.2 to 2.5 million, thats a recovery, when the recession is over and we experience record amount of growth including records in GDP gain for a quarter, output, productivity, and increased worker hours...yeah...thats a recovery.

Haha, liberated, right.

I dont know what else you call freeing millions from an oppressive dictator that tortured and slaughtered hundreds of thousands and then giving them the ability to choose their own government besides liberation.

Well 500 deaths is low, yeah, but considering its by a bunch of GUERILLAS it just goes to show how unprepared your idiotic commanders were.

Guerilla warfare is the only way anybody could inflict casualties on our military. All regular army units and the republican guard were wiped out.

I guess they just decided to do it for no reason and the idiotic US prick waving had nothing to do with it. They are being negotiated with because this is a war the US can't afford to go into.

They decided to because they thought that the same thing would happen as last time. The US would be threatened, the US would become NKs bitch and give them whatever they want, NK would back down and do it again whenever it next became convienent. Unfortunately for them we have Bush in the White House, not Clinton.

Yeah how's that for now, bitch.

It was pretty sad.

[FireEater]

Originally posted by Bergs
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7907

It only affects supervisors that are payed a salary and not an annual wage, I've never heard of a salaried worker that was payed overtime. Have you?

Yes, I have and there are more out there than you think. Please read this link and get to know what is happening. I don't think everyone here really comprehends the impact on America's workers. Everyone is keyed on "It will only impact salary workers like supervisors."

The Bush administration has proposed to loosen the rules that determine the types of employees not entitled to overtime pay after 40 hours of work. This means if you are getting overtime as a worker (not supervisor) then your employer can re-define your job so you are disqualified for the overtime you have been recieving since being hired on. Your employer can will also have the option to reclassify your job from hourly to salary under the new plan.

Please read this link (http://www.epinet.org/content.cfm/briefingpapers_flsa_jun03)

Read the whole article and see which types of jobs it will effect.

Also on another note "Bush State of the Union" Ignores Fire Fighters

Schaitberger Demands Action from White House

January 22, 2004 - President George W. Bush addressed the nation on January 20 with his 2004 State of the Union speech before a joint a session of Congress. The 58-minute speech outlined the President’s vision for America and his priorities for the second session of the 108th Congress.

While the President repeatedly lauded America’s police officers and law enforcement community and promised to support their mission, he never mentioned fire fighters or first responders. The comprehensive speech made no reference to supporting any program or initiative to address the pressing needs of fire fighters.

“It is regrettable that the President chose to ignore our profession and its needs, “ commented IAFF General President Harold A. Schaitberger.

The administration has opposed IAFF initiatives such as the SAFER Act to hire 75,000 new fire fighters with federal funds and has refused to fully fund the Assistance to Fire Fighters Grant Program in three successive budgets (FIRE Act). “Even though budget cuts have forced layoffs, brown-outs and station closings across the country, the administration has taken a laissez-faire approach to ensuring the nation’s safety and security, as evidenced in the State of the Union speech,” Schaitberger said.

“We have battled this administration before and we will continue to work with our friends in Congress---both Republicans and Democrats---to make sure the needs of our fire fighters are met,” continued Schaitberger.

FE

[lynch03]

Are you joking , succesful?? 10 thousand iraqis dead , hundreds of American soldiers dead , suicide bombs killing innocent children run rampant through the country everyday. ANd , the americans won't even let iraq hold free elections , which is a bad idea because whoever the americans put in will be assasinated his first day in office. NOt to mention we never found wmd , which doesent surprise me since most the intelligence was forged , and it turns out the president lied to the country for oil. But other then that...it was succesful!!! Oh and I like how the president talks about the troops bravery and how hard their working , then cuts combat pay and half to say THANK YOU SO MUCH

[Bergs]

Please back this up , what I have heard most iraqis "want the U.S. to leave" the only reason they support it is because they want them to fix the mess they made

http://www.cpa-iraq.org/polls/handoff.pdf

"About two-thirds in all cities say the attacks emphasize the need for the continued presence of Coalition Forces in Iraq. At the same time, majorities agree that the troops should depart after a permanent government is elected by the Iraqi people."

uhh ya whatever u say

I'll take that as meaning one of two things, either, "you're right" or "I'm to immature and unintelligent to understand what the means"

And under how many presidents were that many jobs lost?? maybe.... one..

How about you go look it up since you were so positive it was a record, I think you need a histroy lesson. By the way, the recession started 6 months BEFORE Bush took office, it is certainly not a "Bush Recession"

Are you joking , succesful?? 10 thousand iraqis dead , hundreds of American soldiers dead , suicide bombs killing innocent children run rampant through the country everyday. ANd , the americans won't even let iraq hold free elections

What the fuck do you expect? It is a WAR. People die. The facts are that the Iraqi War has resulted in the fewest deaths in a large conflict of civilians and armed forces in a war in which we liberated millions and overran an entire country and army in three fucking weeks. Yeah, thats pretty successful.

FE, I understand that you are a strong Union man and are opposed to this legislation, however if it were as bad as you and the AFL-CIO say it would make major news stations AND, more obviously, the democrats, especially the democratic candidates for President would be having a fit over it. Are they? Because I havent heard shit.

[Che]

Lets see, when the amount of people who are unemployed goes from 3.2 to 2.5 million, thats a recovery, when the recession is over and we experience record amount of growth including records in GDP gain for a quarter, output, productivity, and increased worker hours...yeah...thats a recovery.

Typical American moron. I guess if I slaughter your family and cut off your leg, then give you a chocolate cake, I'm helping you out aren't I? That automatically makes me the good guy.

What I'm trying to say is the recoveries are MINOR compared to the tremendous economic damage this administration has caused not to mention the obvious 87 billion that could have gone to repair the very, very severe domestic problems.


I dont know what else you call freeing millions from an oppressive dictator that tortured and slaughtered hundreds of thousands and then giving them the ability to choose their own government besides liberation.

I think I'd call you a moron who doesn't understand politics. Since when do countries just go around "liberating" people huh? Do you think even one person in the US administration gives a flying fuck about the Iraqi people? Not one. If they did, they would have internationalized it, they wouldn't be taking out their frustration on the populace since they can't find the guerillas and they wouldn't be trying to put in a puppet government like they are.



Guerilla warfare is the only way anybody could inflict casualties on our military. All regular army units and the republican guard were wiped out.

We all know the US is eager to show off whatever they can. Where are the Republican Guard vehicles they supposedly destroyed, which every other country's media says were mysteriously abandoned. Doesn't take a genius to see these guys are obviously smart and decided to go for a guerilla campaign instead. You can see a certain level of professionalism in some of the attacks, such as mortar, which are obviously RG and SRG who retreated into the city.

As for regular army, its sad how you take such pride that an underfunded, outdated and moralless army for the most part gave up or were destroyed in air strikes. Yee haw there cowboy, what an accomplishment.

They decided to because they thought that the same thing would happen as last time. The US would be threatened, the US would become NKs bitch and give them whatever they want, NK would back down and do it again whenever it next became convienent. Unfortunately for them we have Bush in the White House, not Clinton.

If you knew anything about the tactical situation over there you'd know that North Korea is well equipped and prepared to decimate the US military. I think you should have said unfortunately for THE REST OF THE WORLD you have Bush in the White House (for some odd reason) which may very well lead to a nuclear war.

[Caveman]

Originally posted by Che

Haha, liberated, right. Well 500 deaths is low, yeah, but considering its by a bunch of GUERILLAS it just goes to show how unprepared your idiotic commanders were.



Hell, guerillas are the best things you can have against an army. Remember when Castro took his 800 guerillas and beat the 30,000 man cuban army? So, 500 deaths are very low considering the damage they can do.

[Che]

Well that is for two reasons. Many of the Iraqi people are very stupid and not aware of the devastating consequences of allowing the US to stay, so they give away the guerillas. You need to have the people's support.

And second of all, the US's cowardly tactics have a lot to do with it as well. Staying close to civilian areas when they're not in highly fortified places. Its tough to hit and often results in Iraqi deaths.

[BigMattTheHobo]

Cowardly tactics? Come on now, we go out of our way to avoid civilian casualties. We could of carpet bombed the whole country and called it a day. But no, we spend billions on precision weapons so only what we want gone gets blown up. It is the Iraqi army that was hiding with civilians and setting up next to residential areas.

[FireEater]

Originally posted by Bergs
FE, I understand that you are a strong Union man and are opposed to this legislation, however if it were as bad as you and the AFL-CIO say it would make major news stations AND, more obviously, the democrats, especially the democratic candidates for President would be having a fit over it. Are they? Because I havent heard shit.

I'll take that reply on me being a stong Union man as a compliment. ;)

The link above is for the Economic Policy Institute (http://www.epinet.org/) which is not an AFL_CIO site.

I also could care less if any of the democrats or news are having fits over it. I care about the people it will affect. Just because something is not currently all over the News Stations does not make it any less important to me or the poeple it will affect.

Though here are some news story links for everyone. Go through them as some are real good and not Union biased.

Democratic News Committee (http://www.democrats.org/news/200312110002.html )

CNN MONEY (http://money.cnn.com/2003/06/26/news/economy/epi/ )

Common Dreams Newscenter (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0115-01.htm )

Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A60321-2004Jan6.html )

Washington Post (second story) (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48243-2004Jan1.html )

Forbes.com (http://www.forbes.com/markets/newswire/2003/11/21/rtr1157407.html )

CNBC (dated Jan. 5, 2004) (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3882629/ )

The White House (http://www.house.gov/georgemiller/overtimeinfo.html )

counterpunch (http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff06112003.html )

Policy Matters OHIO (http://www.policymattersohio.org/overtime_pay_report.htm )

CBS News.com (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/07/11/politics/main562735.shtml )

I can go on and on with the news stories. This all started early last year. That is why it is not all over the news like it was before.

You know good and well the News Stations will play a story out and the move on.

Like I said before, just because it is not all over the news does not make it any less important. The News Stations all about the moment and nothing more. :mad:

FE

[lynch03]

Originally posted by The Laker Dude
Hell, guerillas are the best things you can have against an army. Remember when Castro took his 800 guerillas and beat the 30,000 man cuban army? So, 500 deaths are very low considering the damage they can do.

uhh yes hence making the deaths results in the attacks ok right?

[outkast353]

this is a retarded thread...bergs is right and backs up is arguments and riki and lynch are just rambling almost incoherantly.

[Viet Era Marine]

Originally posted by outkast353
this is a retarded thread...bergs is right and backs up is arguments and riki and lynch are just rambling almost incoherantly.

BINGO! When they have nada to go with, they go with BS!

Way to go guys, keep up the good work. You make the case against liberals all by yourselves! :D

[Bergs]

Typical American moron. I guess if I slaughter your family and cut off your leg, then give you a chocolate cake, I'm helping you out aren't I? That automatically makes me the good guy.

Typical lack of understanding. The recession started in 2000, long before Bush took office. It began because of a tech bubble burst in which "companies" which were really nothing more than websites, stocks fell through the floor. Bush had nothing to do with it, it was a rather natural part of the economic cycle. By removing 10,000 low income families from the federal tax rolls and by giving the middle class the largest percentage income tax Bush is the good guy, a very good guy.

I think I'd call you a moron who doesn't understand politics. Since when do countries just go around "liberating" people huh? Do you think even one person in the US administration gives a flying fuck about the Iraqi people? Not one. If they did, they would have internationalized it, they wouldn't be taking out their frustration on the populace since they can't find the guerillas and they wouldn't be trying to put in a puppet government like they are.

No, this wasnt a war of liberation. The liberation of the Iraqi people is a nice side benefit. And it is fucking internationalized fucktard. 60 countries are actively participating and before anybody say something retarded like "oh they are dedicating one case of orange juice and a pack of paper plates" What is the average contribution of some of these nations to ANY international effort? America always contributes 90% of everything.

If you knew anything about the tactical situation over there you'd know that North Korea is well equipped and prepared to decimate the US military.

Yeah, NK is one of the few nations that could put up a fight, but in the end they would be destroyed, their country would be overrun, it would be reunited with SK as a democracy and Kim Jong Il would be thrown out of power and sitting behind bars as Saddam Hussein is now. He knows this and therefore wont fight America.

I'll take that reply on me being a stong Union man as a compliment.

It wasnt meant as anything but. Unions are good when they serve their purpose, they just suck when they start making demands that either exploit workers for the gain of the union or ignore economic sense.

As for your sources they are pretty good. I really dont have an opinion yet. The labor department claims that it would benefit 1.3 million workers, the democrats and Economic Policy Institute (which is a liberal think tank), which alot of those articles base their stories on, claim it hurts more than it helps. I am guessing that its probably somewhere in the middle.

[Merkulrdanu]

yup in the 90s our economy was over inflated by the stock exchange, the values only went up because suddenly everyone wanted to buy them
now saddam killed their family, cut of their arms, and didnt give them cake so even if thats what we did, wed be better, no since we actually free them, we are much better

[Coven66]

As to job ressesion. it's up by at least a million jobs. that is not an easy task. it is impossible tottaly eliminate the Recesion over night.

as to War. i didn't agree with the war from the start but i have to say that the US in total has only lost 3000 troops to combat, thats conciderably less then Vietnam or Korea. and Saddam was a terrible dictator, i think that freeing Iraq will only help to create uprisings and revolutions in surrounding nations like Iran or Syria. the thing about Saddam was he was a Dictator with the strongest hold on his nation. he was opressive and he was brutal.

[ypsidan04]

Originally posted by lynch03
25,000 liters of anthrax; 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin

Both came from American corporations. Saddam had it given to him on a silver platter. (not that it's the Government's fault, but I don't know how much they can blame him for having it)

or those 16 words about uranium from Niger.

One of the biggest Bush lies ever. He was even told by his own advisors that was "questionable" to say the least. They told him not to come out and say that, but he did anyway. :rolleyes:

4. The actual size of Norway's contribution to the Iraq "coalition": 104 engineers.

Only the tip of the iceberg. All of the following countries are in the "Coalition of the Willing" but obviously have little or nothing to contribute: Afghanistan (they contributed a few donkeys), Albania, Azerbaijan, Colombia, El Salvador, Eritrea, Estonia, Eithiopia, Georgia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, The Netherlands, Nicaragua, The Phillippines, Poland, Palau (it has 20 thousand citizens), Iceland, Costa Rica, and Morocco. The Coalition is really a joke. It's just the US, Britain, Australia (they were bribed), some countries (i.e. Spain, Japan, Italy) where at least 65% of the population were against the war, and these other useless countries.
Originally posted by The Laker Dude
You forgot about the millions of lives Bush has saved in Iraq by taking Saddam out of power.

YOU forget about all the Iraqi civilians that have been killed by US forces. :( And dont give me any "collateral damage" bullshit. The line for that was drawn a long time ago.
Originally posted by Bergs
It only affects supervisors that are payed a salary and not an annual wage, I've never heard of a salaried worker that was payed overtime. Have you?

No sir. By definition, you're right.

What is your point? What is the contribution to ANY international effort that includes the US? The US always dedicates 90% of the resources and troops.

Why don't they come out and say it then?! Don't give us this "Coalition" white-lie bullshit facade.

What is your point?

Point is, Bush has "Environmental protection" as one of the last things on his to do list. He didn't sign the Kyoto Protocol, he's destroying Alaskan wilderness...

[BigMattTheHobo]

Civilians get killed in combat, its a sad thing, but it happens. You can't hold it against our troops for this unless they are bombing civilians on purpose. It is also hard not to kill civilians then they are used as shields and when the enemy hides out with them. We could of taken the extremely easy route and just carpet bombed the country from thousands of feet up, we wouldn't have lost a soul, but everything/ everyone in Iraq would have been destroyed. Each loss of life is sad, but it is war, and war is hell (I wouldn't know from experience).

[Caveman]

Originally posted by ypsidan04

YOU forget about all the Iraqi civilians that have been killed by US forces. :( And dont give me any "collateral damage" bullshit. The line for that was drawn a long time ago.

More lives were saved then lost dumbass. Also dont forget about all those women, who now dont have to be in a rape chamber because of Bush.

[ypsidan04]

Originally posted by The Laker Dude
More lives were saved then lost dumbass. Also dont forget about all those women, who now dont have to be in a rape chamber because of Bush.

And I'll bet Bush is really proud that he saved women from being raped. It's all about liberating the Iraqis isn't it? He wasn't thinking "They have our oil!". He wasn't thinking "Saddam tried to kill my Dad!". He wasn't thinking "He might use those WMDs on my Saudi friends!". He was thinking "Oh, poor Iraqis!" :rolleyes:

Who decided that the Iraqis have it worst in this world? What about China, North Korea, Saudi Arabia (oh yeah, Bush will look the other way for them), several African countries? If this was about toppling dictators, we'd be at war with half the world.
Originally posted by Che
Since when do countries just go around "liberating" people huh? Do you think even one person in the US administration gives a flying fuck about the Iraqi people? Not one.

Thanks, man.

I think you should have said unfortunately for THE REST OF THE WORLD you have Bush in the White House (for some odd reason) which may very well lead to a nuclear war.

And again. I don't care who said it first, and I don't care if you care, but Bush is the biggest threat to world peace. And I dont want your usual comeback. Ask most liberal Americans (who can only name one person who lives in Russia - Vladimir Putin), and they'll tell you the same thing. I gahruntee.
Originally posted by wils0646
Were more Iraqi lives saved with the ousting of Saddam, or do you think they would be better off and less lives would be lost with him in power?

Some Iraqis would pick the latter. But myself, I don't know. I don't think anyone can make an educated answer to that question. Who knows which would have had more deaths? But I didn't (and still don't) support the war, so I guess that should answer your question.

The point still stands: The "Free the Iraqis" excuse doesn't hold water. Neither do the earlier WMDs and Al Qaeda links excuses. What's next?

[wils0646]

Originally posted by ypsidan04
And I'll bet Bush is really proud that he saved women from being raped. It's all about liberating the Iraqis isn't it? He wasn't thinking "They have our oil!". He wasn't thinking "Saddam tried to kill my Dad!". He wasn't thinking "He might use those WMDs on my Saudi friends!". He was thinking "Oh, poor Iraqis!" :rolleyes:

Who decided that the Iraqis have it worst in this world? What about China, North Korea, Saudi Arabia (oh yeah, Bush will look the other way for them), several African countries? If this was about toppling dictators, we'd be at war with half the world.

The statement had nothing to do with who we go to war with Sid. Just answer the damn question. Were more Iraqi lives saved with the ousting of Saddam, or do you think they would be better off and less lives would be lost with him in power? Just answer that.

[wils0646]

Originally posted by ypsidan04
Only the tip of the iceberg. All of the following countries are in the "Coalition of the Willing" but obviously have little or nothing to contribute: Afghanistan (they contributed a few donkeys), Albania, Azerbaijan, Colombia, El Salvador, Eritrea, Estonia, Eithiopia, Georgia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, The Netherlands, Nicaragua, The Phillippines, Poland, Palau (it has 20 thousand citizens), Iceland, Costa Rica, and Morocco. The Coalition is really a joke. It's just the US, Britain, Australia (they were bribed), some countries (i.e. Spain, Japan, Italy) where at least 65% of the population were against the war, and these other useless countries.


Give me some source about Australia being bribed. And nice joke about the donkeys. You're hilarious. :rolleyes:.

[Caveman]

Originally posted by ypsidan04
And I'll bet Bush is really proud that he saved women from being raped.

Wouldn’t you be? If you just found out that you saved 1000's of women from being thrown in rape chambers, wouldn't you be proud? Or would you rather have rape chambers, so innocent women can be raped by men who cant get any in the real world?

[ypsidan04]

Originally posted by wils0646
Give me some source about Australia being bribed. And nice joke about the donkeys. You're hilarious. :rolleyes:.

First of all, 70% of Australians opposed the war. BUT George W. dangled a free-trade agreement in front of P.M. John Howard (conservative btw), and of course, he went with it. At the same time, New Zealand next door refused to join the Coalition, and the US refused to open trade talks with them.

I'll list a news article or two. I tried to do an archive search, but many of them required payment, or produced results that didn't help (the titles alone should tell you):

Claire Harvey, "NZ leader seeks peace in her time", The Weekend Australian, April 26, 2003

David Armstrong "US pays back nations that supported war", San Francisco Chronicle, May 11, 2003

And in all seriousness, Morocco contributed 2,000 monkeys, and Poland conjured up 200 troops. We couldn't have done it without them.
Originally posted by The Laker Dude
Wouldn’t you be? If you just found out that you saved 1000's of women from being thrown in rape chambers, wouldn't you be proud? Or would you rather have rape chambers, so innocent women can be raped by men who cant get any in the real world?

It's sad, I know. :( :mad: Of course I would feel good, especially someone like me, who among other things, prides himself on being completely respectful to women (and dislikes people who don't). If you could ask my friends, they'd tell you.

But dont act like that was at the top of Bush's agenda. That's all I'm saying here. No more excuses of "Free the Iraqis". Pretty convenient. :rolleyes:
Originally posted by BigMattTheHobo
so only what we want gone gets blown up.

Like a crowded downtown Baghdad restaurant that Saddam "might" have been in? Bush doesn't mind risking that many civilians over a shaky intelligence report?

[Caveman]

Originally posted by ypsidan04
It's sad, I know. :( :mad: Of course I would feel good, especially someone like me, who among other things, prides himself on being completely respectful to women (and dislikes people who don't). If you could ask my friends, they'd tell you.

But dont act like that was at the top of Bush's agenda. That's all I'm saying here. No more excuses of "Free the Iraqis". Pretty convenient. :rolleyes:


Yeah your right, it may not have been on the top of his agenda, but it is a great accomplishment. And what else do you expect the government to say? They got to give a reason for being in Iraq. My theory is, the gov is secretly tiring to liberate the world, and they picked Iraq first, cause they have the worse leader.

[Bergs]

and these other useless countries.

So what nations matter in the coalition? France? Germany? Russia? please.

And again. I don't care who said it first, and I don't care if you care, but Bush is the biggest threat to world peace. And I dont want your usual comeback. Ask most liberal Americans (who can only name one person who lives in Russia - Vladimir Putin), and they'll tell you the same thing. I gahruntee.

Because most liberal Americans are uneducated twits like yourself. Sid, you are by far the most immature, uneducated, blind to all truth and reason person on these boards, dont lecture me on what everybody like you thinks. Everybody like you is a fucktard.

First of all, 70% of Australians opposed the war.

Flatout fucking wrong. Australia is in a real perdicament regarding Muslims, there are massive amounts of fanatics right across the ocean in Indonesia and they HATE Australia. Australia was very much for a war against a tyrannical dictator with the financial capablities to support attacks against Australia.

I'll list a news article or two.

How bout if they really exist, you link them.

Of course I would feel good, especially someone like me, who among other things, prides himself on being completely respectful to women

Do you show that by throwing money at a group of pornish fake lesbians?:rolleyes:

Like a crowded downtown Baghdad restaurant that Saddam "might" have been in?

As if that ever fucking happened. Wheres a goddamn source you stupid piece of shit, I am so sick of you sid, all you do is rant without offering a shred of proof. Go to hell.

[Bergs]

Poland conjured up 200 troops.

Poland contributed several thousand, just stop talking since you know absolutely zero facts regarding anything.

[droogsteve]

Originally posted by ypsidan04
First of all, 70% of Australians opposed the war. Took a poll of Australians, did you? Did you fly over there or do a phone poll? Which protocol did you use and what's the margin of error?


BUT George W. dangled a free-trade agreement in front of P.M. John Howard (conservative btw), and of course, he went with it. At the same time, New Zealand next door refused to join the Coalition, and the US refused to open trade talks with them.Are you saying that we didn't have free trade with Australia before? And are you saying that we now have a trade embargo against New Zealand??!!

I'll list a news article or two. I tried to do an archive search, but many of them required payment, or produced results that didn't help (the titles alone should tell you): Titles alone don't tell ANYTHING. I would assume that "NZ leader seeks peace in her time" simply means that she is opposed to the war. If the US refused to open trade talks in retaliation for NZ's opposition to the war, I would think that would be the headline. The headline you submitted sounds like it's just a softball article about the leader.

I would also assume that "US pays back nations that supported war" is referring to the US policy of awarding Iraqi rebuilding contracts only to nations that supported the war. Posting the names of these articles with no links is the same as your previous post telling people to read certain books as proof of your claims.

If you can't find a source on the internet, usually the reason is because it doesn't exist. I'm against the war too. But you've gotta stop pulling "facts" out of your ass. It destroys your credibility.

[ypsidan04]

Originally posted by Bergs
So what nations matter in the coalition? France? Germany? Russia? please.

There are many more "big name" countries in the Coalition of the UNwilling (France and Germany included). And you know what I mean by "big name". Countries that everyone has heard of, and actually have a fair sized army.
Everybody like you is a fucktard.

I guess you agree with this statement then: :rolleyes:

"Liberalism isn't a philosophy, Liberalism is a mental disorder."
Australia was very much for a war against a tyrannical dictator

No survey is 100% perfect.
How bout if they really exist, you link them.

Oh yeah, I'm really going to make that up.
Do you show that by throwing money at a group of "pornish" fake lesbians?

No sir. But since you brought up music, I do have 4 CDs with female lead vocals. But thats beside the point.
all you do is rant without offering a shred of proof.

I'll see what I can do. ;) People who make bold comments need to be able to back them up easily.
Originally posted by Bergs
Poland contributed several thousand, just stop talking since you know absolutely zero facts regarding anything.

I could give you another article in a second, but probably not an online link, and that doesn't help at all.
Originally posted by droogsteve
Took a poll of Australians, did you? Did you fly over there or do a phone poll? Which protocol did you use and what's the margin of error?

Not all surveys are perfect. I'm just going with what I've seen. Think about the fact that there can easily be bias before yelling at me for some survey that you dont agree with.
Are you saying that we didn't have free trade with Australia before? And are you saying that we now have a trade embargo against New Zealand??!!

I'm saying we gave Australia something new, in exchange for support, that was not offered to peace-monger New Zealand (probably one of the most liberal countries in the world. Not including the Isle of Man, they were the first in the world to grant women's suffrage. Plus, they have a female leader.)
I'm against the war too. But you've gotta stop pulling "facts" out of your ass. It destroys your credibility.

Okay. :cool: Its not outta my ass, but I cant readily back it up online, unlike the beginning of this thread.

[brainkandy87]

Originally posted by droogsteve
Took a poll of Australians, did you? Did you fly over there or do a phone poll? Which protocol did you use and what's the margin of error?

He's got "extended" family in Australia droog...that means that 3.5 (the half being his Uncle who lost his legs in a terrible T.A.T.U. parade accident) of his 5 "family members" were opposed to the war in Iraq.

Sid couldn't take a break from having wet dreams about T.A.T.U. long enough to poll everyone.

Oh yeah, I'm really going to make that up.

This is the internet. You provide links, not telling people what book some of your cult chants come from.

[ypsidan04]

Originally posted by brainkandy87
He's got "extended" family in Australia droog

Sid couldn't take a break from having wet dreams about T.A.T.U. long enough to poll everyone.

My stepfather was born there, if you want me to be specific.

Hey, I've said a few times before it doesn't work that way with me and them. Short and sweet: It's admiration, not desire. People who do jack off with pictures of them can go fuck themselves to death for all I care. "Fans" appreciate more than eye candy. (enough already!)

This is the internet. You provide links

If you read the whole post, I said that I'm going to do that in the future, if at all possible. (links and questionable polls)

[Bergs]

There are many more "big name" countries in the Coalition of the UNwilling (France and Germany included). And you know what I mean by "big name". Countries that everyone has heard of, and actually have a fair sized army.

Yeah? whats a big name country? Is this by your definition? Because I would certainly consider, Britain, Australia, Italy, Spain and Japan big name countries. The french army is useless, I could care less if they joined us.

Everybody like you is a fucktard.

Everybody like you isnt every liberal. Nocturnal isnt like you. Bigmatt isnt like you. Bobby isnt like you. Hell even Instigator isnt entirely like you. You are the knee jerk liberal that doesnt actually have a grasp of any real tangible facts and just takes whatever mommy and daddy or micheal moore say as fact. You are what is wrong with this country.

Oh yeah, I'm really going to make that up.

Then fucking link them. If they so solidly prove you right and make me look like an ass, why wouldnt you want to link them? Link them or shut up.

I could give you another article in a second, but probably not an online link, and that doesn't help at all.

Unlike you Im not all talk. I'll give you a goddamn link showing that Poland contributed several thousand troops.Here (http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2003/s939016.htm)

"Poland will provide 2,300 troops and its commanders will oversee a mission which includes a thousand soldiers each from the Ukraine, Spain and Italy with many smaller contributions coming from other countries."

If you read the whole post, I said that I'm going to do that in the future, if at all possible.

Well why havent you done that with your past stuff? Could it be that its not fucking true?

[brainkandy87]

Originally posted by Bergs
Well why havent you done that with your past stuff? Could it be that its not fucking true?

I'd like to place five bucks on that....

Please.

[Bergs]

On a side note, sid just sent me a PM.

Why are the Native Americans considered vicious warring people? Because they *fought back* against their attackers. They never started a war. If anything, High Schools should call themselves the "Israelis".

You do realize youre a fucking moron right? First off its a joke, its a Jack Handy quote dumbass. Second of all where does it mention Native Americans, it says Americans. Third, they never started a war my ass. Why dont you go back in time and ask settlers along the Western Frontier if the Indians were a peace lovong people, granted there was plenty of atrocities committed by settlers but the Indians were far from innocent. Fourth, are you implying that the Israelis start wars with the Palestinians? Im sure it has nothing to do with suicide attacks against Israeli civilians, please. Sid, get a life, and a brain. Whatever order suits you best.

On another side note, WTF is going on. Why are people such social outcasts that they have to pull shit like this.

[brainkandy87]

Originally posted by Bergs
You do realize youre a fucking moron right? First off its a joke, its a Jack Handy quote dumbass. Second of all where does it mention Native Americans, it says Americans.

Agreed.

Where the hell did he get the word "Native" from? I think Sid is just trying to make shit up to make a futile attempt at an insult.

Sid, do us all a favor and go back to your sexual indecencies with your brother, you accidental creampie.

[droogsteve]

Originally posted by ypsidan04
Not all surveys are perfect. I'm just going with what I've seen. Think about the fact that there can easily be bias before yelling at me for some survey that you dont agree with.What fucking survey are you even referring to? I've never heard of it. You never even mentioned a source. You just came out with the ridiculous 70% stat without even saying where it was from.


I'm saying we gave Australia something new, in exchange for support, that was not offered to peace-monger New Zealand (probably one of the most liberal countries in the world. Not including the Isle of Man, they were the first in the world to grant women's suffrage. Plus, they have a female leader.)Offered them what? Both Australia and NZ have always had most favored nation trade status with the US. What could we give Australia that would make it's leaders destroy their political careers by entering a war, which according to you, nobody supported? Politicians are motivated by self interest. What would be the point of going to war for an economic package if it means your people will hate you as an evil warmonger and remove your party in the next election? It makes no sense.


Okay. :cool: Its not outta my ass, but I cant readily back it up online, unlike the beginning of this thread. These aren't nitpicking little things you're talking about. The reason you can't back them up is because they're not true. No one else here seems to have any trouble finding sources. Even Riki/Che finds silly links that agree with his bullshit.

I don't think that you're deliberately making things up. But I DO belive that you hear things in various liberal rants from people like Michael Moore and Al Franken and accept them as gospel truth because you agree with them. The only problem is that they're NOT true. And that's why you can never find sources to back up your arguments.

[ypsidan04]

Originally posted by Bergs
Britain, Australia, Italy, Spain and Japan big name countries.

All of which have large amounts of people who were against the war. Some countries who are unwilling: Argentina, Austria, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Chile, China, Egypt, Finland, Greece, India, Indonesia, Iran, Ireland, Israel, Jordan, Mexico, NZ, Nigeria, Norway, Pakistan, Russia, South Africa, Sweden, Switzerland, Zimbabwe, and over 100 more countries. Great job of alienating a lot of our allies.
Link them or shut up.

I've already addressed that a few times. That's it, no more.
"Poland will provide 2,300 troops and its commanders will oversee a mission which includes a thousand soldiers each from the Ukraine, Spain and Italy with many smaller contributions coming from other countries."

Holy shit! My fault.
Could it be that its not fucking true?
I really doubt it, but I'm not 110% sure.
Originally posted by Bergs
Fourth, are you implying that the Israelis start wars with the Palestinians? Im sure it has nothing to do with suicide attacks against Israeli civilians, please.

If everyone I send a PRIVATE message to is going to post it, I'll just have to stop sending messages. :rolleyes:

No, you completely missed my point. I was saying that Israel has fought back against its attackers and won handily. 1948, 1967...I'm saying that people who attack Israel really need to think first. I'm totally for Israel here, I went there 4 years ago. Originally posted by brainkandy87
Agreed.

Where the hell did he get the word "Native" from?

Hey, sometimes my brain puts a word in that's not there. I mean, when I saw "vicious warring people" and "High Schools", both of those pointed to Native Americans, so my brain took over from there. This happens to a lot of people.
Originally posted by droogsteve
What fucking survey are you even referring to? I've never heard of it. You never even mentioned a source. You just came out with the ridiculous 70% stat without even saying where it was from.

Do you want another article I probably can't link to?
What would be the point of going to war for an economic package if it means your people will hate you as an evil warmonger and remove your party in the next election? It makes no sense.

Well, that's what happened. If they really didn't want to get booted in the next election, maybe they should have thought before rejecting or mistreating tons of perfectly healthy, peaceful asylum seekers. It was a huge scandal, you must have heard of this. If you haven't:

http://www.dci-au.org/html/omct.html
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=17340
The only problem is that they're NOT true. And that's why you can never find sources to back up your arguments.

ALRIGHT ALREADY!

[brainkandy87]

Originally posted by ypsidan04
I've already addressed that a few times. That's it, no more.

Link them or shut the FUCK up.

[ypsidan04]

Originally posted by brainkandy87
Link them or shut the FUCK up.
Originally posted by ypsidan04
ALRIGHT ALREADY!

I've said more than once that I'm going to do that! I'm sorry! Now stop saying the same thing over and over! Give me a break.

[Skinny]

Originally posted by ypsidan04
Hey, sometimes my brain puts a word in that's not there. I mean, when I saw "vicious warring people" and "High Schools", both of those pointed to Native Americans, so my brain took over from there. This happens to a lot of people.

Sid, for some reason, I can't understand why the phrase "High School" would lead you to thinking about Native Americans. I've never heard of Crazy Horse High, or Chief Joeseph Prep... I'm really lost in your train of incoherent thought.

[Bergs]

Some countries who are unwilling: Argentina, Austria, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Chile, China, Egypt, Finland, Greece, India, Indonesia, Iran, Ireland, Israel, Jordan, Mexico, NZ, Nigeria, Norway, Pakistan, Russia, South Africa, Sweden, Switzerland, Zimbabwe, and over 100 more countries. Great job of alienating a lot of our allies.

Continue to throw out lies and I will continue to smack your stupid ass down.

China is neutral

Egypt has allowed unrestricted usage of the Suez by all coalition ships

Ireland is neutral

Israel is for the war dumbass, they arent named on the coalition because it would piss Arab nations off

NORWAY!!, did you forget how Lynch fag made it a point to name Norway's involvement? "4. The actual size of Norway's contribution to the Iraq "coalition": 104 engineers." I guess not.

Jordan- allowed US troops to be stationed there with PATRIOT missile batteries to protect Israel from Iraqi SCUDs

Heres a link, which you still havent provided for any of your statements which you still claim are true.

http://www.crikey.com.au/politics/2003/03/21-coalitionlist.html
http://www.geocities.com/pwhce/willing.html

Also it blows my mind that you think Nigeria, Zimbabwe, Chile, Finland, Belgium, and Switzerland are major enough countries to support your points but Poland, Ukraine, Czech Republic, Denmark, The Neatherlands etc arent major enough to support mine.

I really doubt it, but I'm not 110% sure.

Then FUCKING LINK US if you doubt it. Prove me wrong!

Hey, sometimes my brain puts a word in that's not there. I mean, when I saw "vicious warring people" and "High Schools", both of those pointed to Native Americans, so my brain took over from there. This happens to a lot of people.

So much that you felt the need to PM me? Without even reading the fucking thing. :rolleyes:

Do you want another article I probably can't link to?

Because it doesnt exist. Damn your retarded. This is the internet. Those two links above took me two minutes to find in a Yahoo! search. Dont tell us you cant find one. If you cant, they dont exist. Period.

Well, that's what happened.

Well, then link us or shut up.

If they really didn't want to get booted in the next election, maybe they should have thought before rejecting or mistreating tons of perfectly healthy, peaceful asylum seekers. It was a huge scandal, you must have heard of this. If you haven't:

Whats your point? That you need to change the subject because youre getting killed? And whats wrong with that anyway? Australia is their own country, they can have any immigration laws they want.

[Caveman]

Originally posted by ypsidan04
Why are the Native Americans considered vicious warring people? Because they *fought back* against their attackers. They never started a war. If anything, High Schools should call themselves the "Israelis".

After reading that, I completely lost the little bit of respect I had for you. That is just fucking crazy. You really don’t have ANY idea what you are talking about.

And for my 2 cents, Bergs is right. If you cant show proof of your crazy talk, don’t post at all.

[Che]

Bergs all you proved in your last post about the "coalition" is that the US has a few treacherous, disgraceful Arab nations on their side.

The Indian and Turkish peacekeepers are reknowned in their ability to handle tasks of this nature, but they have refused.

Japan's involvement is extremely limited, along with a few other Asian countries that could have provided aid.

The only big members of this "coalition" are America and Britain, the troop count from the other 40 nations is a mere 20 000.

[BigMattTheHobo]

I don't see the point of this, arguing over who was or wasn't in the coalition.

[Bergs]

Matt, you are correct, there is no point to this. The links I have posted are the facts which Sid and now Che have chosen to ignore. They are indisputable fact. Those are the countries that supported the Iraq War, far more than the left would lead the public to believe. It was an internationally supported effort.

[ypsidan04]

I'm sorry for everything I've said here that I couldn't back up. I really am. I gotta stay the hell outta Current Events. Nothing good ever comes out of it. I also need to stop making impulse posts without giving it a second thought. I'm asking you to forgive and forget. See ya around. :) :cool:

[droogsteve]

Originally posted by ypsidan04
Do you want another article I probably can't link to?No, how about one that you CAN link to for a change? Oh, I forgot. Everyone else in the world can find whatever they're talking about with a google search except for you.


Well, that's what happened. If they really didn't want to get booted in the next election, maybe they should have thought before rejecting or mistreating tons of perfectly healthy, peaceful asylum seekers. It was a huge scandal, you must have heard of this. If you haven't:

http://www.dci-au.org/html/omct.html
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=17340 I hate to flame you, but you make it really difficult not to.

A huge scandal? Get booted out? For what??!! The vast majority of Australians SUPPORT booting out asylum seekers. Where did I get this information? From YOUR FUCKING LINK!!

Unfortunately for asylum seekers, many Australians support stringent border policies and anti-immigrant rhetoric. The asylum issue flared in the 2001 federal election. Though pre-election polls indicated the conservative coalition government of Prime Minister John Howard would lose the election, approval ratings soared after its treatment of the Norwegian cargo ship Tampa. That August, the Tampa rescued more than 400 refugees from a sinking Indonesian craft and headed toward Australia's Christmas Island, the nearest port. For days the Tampa was refused permission to land, and despite repeated calls for emergency medical assistance, none was sent. It then entered Australian territorial waters and was boarded by Australian special forces. The refugees were subsequently transported to Nauru as anti-immigrant hysteria gripped Australia. One newspaper polled readers and found 95 percent supported keeping the Tampa's asylum seekers out of Australia.


The prime minister said of the Tampa, "We decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in which they come," a slogan the government put on their election posters. They were victorious at the polls.


The next federal election is in 2004. The government has shown it has no qualms about ignoring refugee rights if that can win votes. Sadly, in today's Australia, it probably will. Did you even read your own link? It says that 95% of Australians SUPPORT the government policies of denying asylum! 95%!! Your own article says that the government is going to win the election because of the position that you say is a huge scandal and will get them booted out office!!

As I suspected, you don't even take the time to read about what you post. You latch onto whatever liberal crap draws your interest and simply ignore the facts. I have no doubt that all the other ridiculous claims you make have the same credibility as this one.

[FireEater]

Now that this thread is over....hopefully. :rolleyes:

How is the snow storms up in NY droogsteve? Buried yet?

FE

[droogsteve]

Whoops, I was writing my last post when Sid posted so I didn't see it. I'm leaving it up because I thought it was interesting that the majority of Australians openly support not allowing refugees asylum, unlike here in the US when honest opinions like that will cause you to be branded a racist.

I'm not going to pick on Sid any further. The rules of forum war dictate that when a man waves the white flag, you cease fire. ;)



Edit: Yeah, FE. It started about 2 hours ago and the streets are already bad. By morning we'll be completely buried.

[FireEater]

Originally posted by droogsteve
Whoops, I was writing my last post when Sid posted so I didn't see it. I'm leaving it up because I thought it was interesting that the majority of Australians openly support not allowing refugees asylum, unlike here in the US when honest opinions like that will cause you to be branded a racist.

I'm not going to pick on Sid any further. The rules of forum war dictate that when a man waves the white flag, you cease fire. ;)



Edit: Yeah, FE. It started about 2 hours ago and the streets are already bad. By morning we'll be completely buried.

Poor sid can't get a break in any of the sections here. I give him credit though for still posting.

On the snow issue, I have been watching the NY stations on satellite.

Big ass snowstorms up Northeast. :( Again we were wearing shorts and t-shirts during the day here. It's a little cold now at about 50 degrees I believe.

FE

[brainkandy87]

I got down to 7 degrees last night with a few inches of snow...nothing that compares to what the Northeast is getting...

Droog...you poor bastard...I'd hate to see what your place looks like in the morning.

[Skinny]

It was -4 when I woke up yesterday...We had Friday, Monday and Tuesday off..which pretty much kicked ass because I wasn't in school Wednesday or Thursday. I'd say we have about a foot of snow, nothing like the far northeast though, yeah...I feel bad too. But for the kids' sakes, I hope it's packable snow. (For those not informed here, packing snow makes for good snowballs etc. instead of falling apart.