Post your favorite "lyrical" tupac song.

[wodahS]

And yeah, I know I'll get flamed by rap-haters, but whatever.

Tupac's lyrics/poems are awesome, so tell me, which one is your favorite?


Mine has to be 'until the end of time'.

[Zooch]

I guess "Changes"...

[Fidel_Cashflow]

And yeah, I know I'll get flamed by rap-haters, but whatever.

Tupac's lyrics/poems are awesome, so tell me, which one is your favorite?


Mine has to be 'until the end of time'.

He some good songs, Brendas Got A Baby and Changes were my favorite but he was far from "lyrical".

His lyrics were ok. And you dont have to hate rap to realize that he is the most overrated rapper ever. He made a few concious songs and people think hes a genius. Rappers have made better rap songs before he died and rappers have made better songs after he died, life moves on.

And this has been done already.

[pacaveli]

the thing about him is all the songs he's released now are song he recorded before his death that weren't good enough to make it on past albums. he might be over rated, but for good reasons, not to mention he was one of the best rappers ever,

fav lyrical song has to be starin through my review

[reggie jax]

2pac - Words of Wisdom
This is for the masses the lower classes
The ones you left out, jobs were givin', better livin'
But we were kept out
Made to feel inferior, but we're the superior
Break the chains in out brains that made us fear yah
Pledge a legiance to a flag that neglects us
Honour a man that who refuses to respect us
Emmancipation, proclamation, Please!
Nigga just said that to save the nation
These are lies that we all accepted
Say no to drugs but the governments' keep it
Running through our community, killing the unity
The war on drugs is a war on you and me
And yet they say this is the Home of The Free
But if you ask me its all about hyprocracy
The constitution, Yo, it don't apply to me
Lady Liberty still the bitch lied to me
Steady strong nobody's gonna like what I pumpin'
But its wrong to keeping someone from learning something
So get up, its time to start nation building
I'm fed up, we gotta start teaching childern
That they can be all that they wanna to be
There's much more to life than just poverty
This is defaintly ahhh words of wisdom
AMERIKA, AMERIKA, AMERIKKKA
I charge you with the crime of rape, murder, and assault
For suppressing and punishing my people
I charge you with robery for robbing me of my history
I charge you with false imprisonment for keeping me
Trapped in the projects
And the jury finds you guilty on all accounts
And you are to serve the consequences of your evil schemes
Prosecutor do you have any more evidience
Words of Wisdom
They shine upon the strength of an nation
Conquer the enemy on with education
Protect thy self, reach with what you wanna do
Know thy self, teach what we been through
On with the knowledge of the place, then
No one will ever oppress this race again
No Malcolm X in my history text
Why is that?
Cause he tried to educate and liberate all blacks
Why is Martin Luther King in my book each week?
He told blacks, if they get smacked, turn the other cheek
I don't get it, so many questions went through my mind
I get sweated, They act as if asking questions is a crime
But forget it, one day I'm gonna prove them wrong
Now every brother had to smother on the welfare line
The american dream, though it seems it attainable
They're pulling your sleave, don't believe
Cause it will strangle yah
Pulling the life of your brain, I can't explain
Beg as you can obtain from which you came
Swear that your mother is living in equality
Forgeting your brother that's living her apology
Thought they had us beat when they took our kids
But the battle ain't over till the black man sings
Words of Wisdom
But the battle ain't over till the black man sings
Words of Wisdom
NIGHTMARE thats what I am
America's nightmare
I am what you made me
The hate and evil that you gave me
I shine of a reminder of what you have done to my people
for Four hundred plus years
You should be scared
You should be running
You should be trying to silence me
ha ha
But you can not escape fate
Well it is my turn to come
Just as you rose you shall fall
By my hands
Amerika, You reap what you sow
2pacalypse America's Nightmare
Ice Cube and Da Lench Mob America's Nightmare
Above the Law America's Nightmare
Paris America's Nightmare
Public Enemy America's Nightmare
Krs-One America's Nightmare
Mutulu Shakur America's Nightmare
Geronimo Pratt America's Nightmare
Assada Shakur America's Nightmare

[Fidel_Cashflow]

the thing about him is all the songs he's released now are song he recorded before his death that weren't good enough to make it on past albums. he might be over rated, but for good reasons, not to mention he was one of the best rappers ever,

fav lyrical song has to be starin through my review

I can name 25 rappers that are better, so I wouldnt put him as one of the best ever. And how are you overated for good reasons? He was good but just because you're a legend does not mean that your music was automatically great or the best.

[reggie jax]

He had a couple gems on every album. He was pretty mediocre for the most part though.

[wodahS]

I can name 25 rappers that are better, so I wouldnt put him as one of the best ever. And how are you overated for good reasons? He was good but just because you're a legend does not mean that your music was automatically great or the best.

25 rappers better then Tupac? At lyrics? Go ahead. So you're going to name people like Eminem maybe?


It's cool you don't like Tupac that much. But personaly, I never heard better lyrics then his. And saying people like him just because he's a legend is ridiculous. Tupac's most awaited album was all eyes on me, and that's before he got to be a ( dead ) legend.


Tupac is far different from picasso.

[TBarnez]

i like lord knows

[Fidel_Cashflow]

25 rappers better then Tupac? At lyrics? Go ahead. So you're going to name people like Eminem maybe?


It's cool you don't like Tupac that much. But personaly, I never heard better lyrics then his. And saying people like him just because he's a legend is ridiculous. Tupac's most awaited album was all eyes on me, and that's before he got to be a ( dead ) legend.


Tupac is far different from picasso.

I wasnt going to name Eminem because I don't like his music but technically he is the better rapper (just forget about encore, that crap he tried to realease as a CD).

Rakim
Nas
Jay-Z
KRS-One
Common Sense
Talib Kweli
Kool G Rap
Big Daddy Kane
Big L
Mos Def
Andre 3000
Ras Kass
Big Pun
GZA
Black Thought
Chuck D
Ghostface
Canibus
AZ
Masta Ace
Lauryn Hill
Q-Tip
Immortal Technique
Scarface
Jean Grae
AND











Eminem

[wodahS]

I wasnt going to name Eminem because I don't like his music but technically he is the better rapper (just forget about encore, that crap he tried to realease as a CD).

Rakim
Nas
Jay-Z
KRS-One
Common Sense
Talib Kweli
Kool G Rap
Big Daddy Kane
Big L
Mos Def
Andre 3000
Ras Kass
Big Pun
GZA
Black Thought
Chuck D
Ghostface
Canibus
AZ
Masta Ace
Lauryn Hill
Q-Tip
Immortal Technique
Scarface
Jean Grae
AND











Eminem
I didn't ask a list of your favorite rappers, I asked a list of rappers who wrote better lyrics then Tupac. You got to be confused, or personaly hate Tupac?

Like... Ghostface killah writing better lyrics then Tupac? :lol:

[reggie jax]

Ghostface > Tupac

Ironman > Any pac album

All the dudes/dudettes on his list beat Pac.. cept for Caniubus and Immortal Technique

[Fidel_Cashflow]

Ghostface > Tupac

Ironman > Any pac album

All the dudes/dudettes on his list beat Pac.. cept for Caniubus and Immortal Technique

what...canibis and IT are much better then tupac. Do you think tupac can release an album like Rip The Jacker or come up with metaphores like "it take ten times the enzymes to breakdown one of my rhymes". And IT is just a better concious rapper, he flow may not be up to par but his lyrics are much better.

[wodahS]

Again, I guess it's all opinions. Personaly, most of those artists songs doesn't really touch me. But a lot of times, Tupac's lyrics will make me go, wow, this is pretty true... or, damn, he felt the same way I do about this...

I can name few artists that I like more then Tupac. But I don't think everybody and their mom's better. I mean, Nas is good, but there's no single way Nas is better then Pac. I mean, Nas used to try to sing like Tupac, and it made him go downhill. Or getting a spot on Thugz Mansion... Saying the exact same things Tupac says... :rolleyes:


what...canibis and IT are much better then tupac. Do you think tupac can release an album like Rip The Jacker or come up with metaphores like "it take ten times the enzymes to breakdown one of my rhymes". And IT is just a better concious rapper, he flow may not be up to par but his lyrics are much better.

Rofl. I'm sure he passed his english classes, but that doesn't make his lyrics better. There's a difference between good rhymes and good lyrics. I don't think you get it.

[reggie jax]

Canibus is a good battle rapper and freestyler but he doesn't make good albums as far as I'm concerned.

Immortal Technique has a few gems like Dance with the Deveil, You Never Know and Peruvian cocaine but most of his songs are either about stupid conspiracy theories or just brag rap. Plus his flow is weak. Two good yet far overhyped and overrated emcees.

[Fidel_Cashflow]

Canibus is a good battle rapper and freestyler but he doesn't make good albums as far as I'm concerned.

Immortal Technique has a few gems like Dance with the Deveil, You Never Know and Peruvian cocaine but most of his songs are either about stupid conspiracy theories or just brag rap. Plus his flow is weak. Two good yet far overhyped and overrated emcees.

Canibis is know for making bad albums, but Rip The Jacker is just on another level. and overall his skills are just better. Canibis is considered one of the best lyricsts even, I dont know how someone can pick him out of the list of rappers I gave and say that he is worse.

And I think IT gets styrotyped as ok because of his flow but if you own his Revolutionary Volume 2 then you would now how great of a rapper he is. But his stuff is a little harder to get into.

[reggie jax]

Again, I guess it's all opinions. Personaly, most of those artists songs doesn't really touch me. But a lot of times, Tupac's lyrics will make me go, wow, this is pretty true... or, damn, he felt the same way I do about this...

I can name few artists that I like more then Tupac. But I don't think everybody and their mom's better. I mean, Nas is good, but there's no single way Nas is better then Pac. I mean, Nas used to try to sing like Tupac, and it made him go downhill. Or getting a spot on Thugz Mansion... Saying the exact same things Tupac says... :rolleyes:




Rofl. I'm sure he passed his english classes, but that doesn't make his lyrics better. There's a difference between good rhymes and good lyrics. I don't think you get it. Nas in his early days was way better than Pac. Mordern Nas is ehh.. but still overall he's got him beat. Think about it man.. Pac has some good songs but he doesn't have one really great classic album under his belt.. closest thing he has is Me Against The World. You really get more out of that than you do out of Fear of a Black Planet or Midnight Marauders?

Canibis is know for making bad albums, but Rip The Jacker is just on another level. and overall his skills are just better. Canibis is considered one of the best lyricsts even, I dont know how someone can pick him out of the list of rappers I gave and say that he is worse.

And I think IT gets styrotyped as ok because of his flow but if you own his Revolutionary Volume 2 then you would now how great of a rapper he is. But his stuff is a little harder to get into.I dunno Canibus just never really did it for me. His voice gets on my nerves too.

I do own both IT's albums and his mixtape... shit's just not that great for the most part. You'll probably grow tired of him in due time.. I was realy into him at one point too.

[Fidel_Cashflow]

Again, I guess it's all opinions. Personaly, most of those artists songs doesn't really touch me. But a lot of times, Tupac's lyrics will make me go, wow, this is pretty true... or, damn, he felt the same way I do about this...

I can name few artists that I like more then Tupac. But I don't think everybody and their mom's better. I mean, Nas is good, but there's no single way Nas is better then Pac. I mean, Nas used to try to sing like Tupac, and it made him go downhill. Or getting a spot on Thugz Mansion... Saying the exact same things Tupac says... :rolleyes:

Rofl. I'm sure he passed his english classes, but that doesn't make his lyrics better. There's a difference between good rhymes and good lyrics. I don't think you get it.

Im not talking about who I like more, Im talking about who is better. There are certain things a rapper is graded on...

lyrics
flow
charisma
material
longevity
subject matter and so on..

And Nas is one of the (if not the) best rappers ever. Illmatic is one of the best hiphop CDs ever. Who cares about what spot they tried to get on a song. Im looking at these rappers on their skills.

[wodahS]

Im not talking about who I like more, Im talking about who is better. There are certain things a rapper is graded on...

lyrics
flow
charisma
material
longevity
subject matter and so on..

And Nas is one of the (if not the) best rappers ever. Illmatic is one of the best hiphop CDs ever. Who cares about what spot they tried to get on a song. Im looking at these rappers on their skills.
There's the problem, you're judging on what you like. Nas is not the best rapper ever and there is none. Because it's a question of opinion.

I was talking about lyrics. But again I think you won't get it. You might as well not answer to this post too... we'd repeat the same things over and over.

[Fidel_Cashflow]

There's the problem, you're judging on what you like. Nas is not the best rapper ever and there is none. Because it's a question of opinion.

I was talking about lyrics. But again I think you won't get it. You might as well not answer to this post too... we'd repeat the same things over and over.

You tupac stans are on some other shit. What opinons, you asked for a list I gave you one. If you dont feel any of the rappers on it just say so and ill prove you wrong. What part of my post makes you think I checked them on likeability. Face the fact, tupac was never good at wordplay, metaphores, and his lyrics were never amazing. And everytime I bring up something you the one who keeps bringing up opinion this and opinion that. He is a good rapper but he is not the best, whats to argue.

[BassPlayinToker]

Wonder Why They Call You Bitch, it's pretty funny

[wodahS]

Wonder Why They Call You Bitch, it's pretty funny
It fits a lot of people too.

[samurai kebab]

I wasnt going to name Eminem because I don't like his music but technically he is the better rapper (just forget about encore, that crap he tried to realease as a CD).

Rakim
Nas
Jay-Z
KRS-One
Common Sense
Talib Kweli
Kool G Rap
Big Daddy Kane
Big L
Mos Def
Andre 3000
Ras Kass
Big Pun
GZA
Black Thought
Chuck D
Ghostface
Canibus
AZ
Masta Ace
Lauryn Hill
Q-Tip
Immortal Technique
Scarface
Jean Grae
AND











Eminem

theres no eazy or biggie on that list wtf

u tryin 2 say there all better than tupac,biggie and eazy

[StirFried1324]

I'll have to say Thugz Mansion, not the Nas version

[Fidel_Cashflow]

theres no eazy or biggie on that list wtf

u tryin 2 say there all better than tupac,biggie and eazy

No, it was just a list of rappers I thought were better, if I didnt put a certain rapper on the list it doesn't mean that I dont like them or think they arent good. I just gave a list of 25 rapper to prove a point.

And I thought I did put BIG on the list, my bad

[JokerFMJ]

No, it was just a list of rappers I thought were better

You thought? So that's an opinion, right? Not a fact?

End of argument.

[reggie jax]

It's all opinion when discussing music.. doesn't mean you can't debate opinions. In fact, opinions are the only thing you can really debate. If it was a fact whether those rappers were better than Tupac or not we wouldn't be debating it.. it would just be accepted by both sides.

[wodahS]

That's true, but I beleive some people are biased. I don't think Fidel_Cashflow really thinks all those artists are actualy better then Tupac at writing lyrics. He just picked 25 good artists are threw them in there, maybe because he dislike Tupac or something?


Another thing. Tupac was way better then big for lyrics... Big was just better at everything else.

[Fidel_Cashflow]

That's true, but I beleive some people are biased. I don't think Fidel_Cashflow really thinks all those artists are actualy better then Tupac at writing lyrics. He just picked 25 good artists are threw them in there, maybe because he dislike Tupac or something?


Another thing. Tupac was way better then big for lyrics... Big was just better at everything else.

I don't have anything against Tupac and I enjoy his music (I own his greatest hits and All Eyes On Me), I just think he is incredibly overrated.

But all the artists I gave our great rappers (alot of them legends in their own right). But who's to say that he couldn't grow as a rapper if he didnt die, so its not exactly a fair comparison I was just trying to show that he isnt the greatest rapper ever and there are artist who are more talented.

[wodahS]

Bleh... Tupac is a legend too. In one of his albums he said "one day I'll be a living dead legend" , he was right.

The only person I think are more "legendary" in rap are like, eazy-e, run-dmc and tupac's equal, biggy.

[reggie jax]

That's true, but I beleive some people are biased. I don't think Fidel_Cashflow really thinks all those artists are actualy better then Tupac at writing lyrics. He just picked 25 good artists are threw them in there, maybe because he dislike Tupac or something?


Another thing. Tupac was way better then big for lyrics... Big was just better at everything else.

Nah.. I fully disagree.. Big was more lyrical AND had a better flow than tupac. And he knew how to stay on subject. He was much more focused, and he really knew how to tell a story better.

Listen to Warning then listen to Brenda's Got a Baby. I think we both know which story is more touching, but which is the better song? Personally I'd much rather listen to Warning. Plus Big wasn't a hypocrite like pac, who was some "thug life" screaming gangster half the time and some sensitive street poet the other half of the time. Big was up front about being a scumbag. I dunno, maybe it's just me, but Ready To Die is just miles above any pac album I've ever heard. This doesn't mean I hate Tupac or I have anything against him, I just don't think his music is anywhere near as good as people say it is.

Since you doubt Fidel Cashflow is serious abotu his list, here is a list of 25 rappers better than Tupac as far as I'm concerned.

(no order)

Chuck D
Mos Def
Common Sense
Q-Tip
Rakim
Ice Cube
GZA
BIG
Talib Kweli
Kool G Rap
Eminem
Andre3000
Slick Rick
Nas
Ghostface
Raekwon
MF Doom
Big L
Del Tha Funkee Homosapien
KRS-One
Grandmaster Flash
Phife Dawg
Inspectah Deck
Guru

If you wanna question any one of those, go ahead and I'll tell you why they are better than pac in my eyes.

[Shorty|*|RocK89]

2pac is more bad ass and 4 real then any other rapper....if he got shot 5 times he would write a song about it..

the reason he was shot because a armed guy ask for his chain off his neck and he said no..... but come on the guy was awsome if any rapper tried to diss him he would shut them off so fast

against all odds-nas diss

hit em up- biggie smalls diss

how do you want it- ll cool j diss

most of those rapper know one will remember or even know......tupac has sold more records then any other rapper and hes been dead for 9 years



ice cube.....yeah hes cool but he was in family movies and stuff......


andre 3000.....isnt that guy from outkast lol......

2pac was more then a rapper and he really changed the whole rap game

no rap label will ever have better rappers then death row

yeah i think biggie is good but for some reason he nerver cut it as better..




agianst all odds
This little nigga named Nas thinks he live like me
Talkin bout he left the hospital took five like me
You living fantasies, nigga I reject your deposit
We shook Dre punk ass, now we out of the closet
Mobb Deep wonder why nigga blowed them out
Next time grown folks talk, nigga close your mouth
Peep me, I take this war shit deeply
Done seen too many real players fall to let these bitch niggas
beat me Puffy lets be honest you a punk or you will see me with gloves
Remember that shit you said to Vibe about me bein a thug
You can tell the people you roll with whatever you want
But you and I know what's going on
Payback, I knew you bitch niggas from way back
Witness me strapped with Macs, knew I wouldn't play that
All you old rappers trying to advance
It's all over now, take it like a man
Niggas lookin like Larry Holmes, flabby and sick
Tryin to player hate on my shit, you eat a fat dick
Let it be known this is how you made me
Lovin how I got you niggas crazy

Against all odds
Hopin my thug motherf**kers know
This be the realest shit I ever wrote
Against all odds, up in the studio, gettin blowed
To the truest shit I ever spoke, against all odds

hit em up
first off, f**k your bi**h
And the click you claim
West side when we ride
Come equipped with game
You claim to be a playa
But, I f**ked your wife
We bust on Bad Boys
ni**as f**k for Life
Plus Puffy tryin' to see me weak
Hearts I rip
Biggie Smalls and Junior Mafia
Some mark a*s bi**hes
We keep on coming
While we running for yah jewels
Steady gunning
Keep on busting at them fools
You know the rules
Little Ceasar go ask you homie
How i'll leave yah
Cut your young a*s up
See yah in pieces
Now be deceased
Little Kim,
Don't f**k with real a*s G's
Quick to snatch your ugly a*s, off the streets
So f**k peace
I'll let them ni**as know
It's on for Life
Don't let the west side
Ride the night (ha ha)
Bad Boys murdered on Wax and kill
f**k with me
And get your caps peeled
You know, See

Grab your glocks when you see 2pac
Call the cops when you see 2pac, Uhh
Who shot me,
But, your punks didn't finish
Now, you 'bout to feel the wrath of a menace
ni**a, I hit 'em up

Biggie remember when I use to let you sleep on the couch
And beg the bi**h to let you sleep in the house
Now its all about versace
You copied my style
Five shots couldn't drop me
I took it and smiled
Now I'm back to set the record straight
With my A-K
I'm still the thug that you love to hate
Mutha-f**ka I'll Hit 'Em Up

[wodahS]

You know I think it's all about opinion, it's weird to say but I've... never heard a single song of biggie. I'm saying his flow's better because I heard people say so, but by judging his few lyrics I've heard, I like Tupac more.

And yes... The thing I like, just like you said, is Tupac touches us more. Maybe Biggie goes straight to the point, but Tupac is more artistic in his stories, and makes me feel like he's me.


And it's very stereotypical to say taht you can't be a thug in the streets and be a sensitive poet... Any good rapper is also a poet.

[reggie jax]

You know I think it's all about opinion, it's weird to say but I've... never heard a single song of biggie. I'm saying his flow's better because I heard people say so, but by judging his few lyrics I've heard, I like Tupac more.

And yes... The thing I like, just like you said, is Tupac touches us more. Maybe Biggie goes straight to the point, but Tupac is more artistic in his stories, and makes me feel like he's me.


And it's very stereotypical to say taht you can't be a thug in the streets and be a sensitive poet... Any good rapper is also a poet.Do yourself a favor and get his album Ready To Die. You can probably find it on Soulseek if you don't wanna buy it. Or at least get these songs:

Things done changed
Gimme The Loot
Machine Gun Funk
Warning
Ready To Die
Everyday Struggle
Suicidal Thoughts

[wodahS]

Do yourself a favor and get his album Ready To Die. You can probably find it on Soulseek if you don't wanna buy it. Or at least get these songs:

Things done changed
Gimme The Loot
Machine Gun Funk
Warning
Ready To Die
Everyday Struggle
Suicidal Thoughts
vote for him in my other thread and I'll buy his cd? If not, I think I'll ask a friend to hand a cd.

[BBBoomer504]

ummm probably "Hit Em Up" because it tools on biggie and him doing his wife. lol what a great story :)

[Fidel_Cashflow]

ummm probably "Hit Em Up" because it tools on biggie and him doing his wife. lol what a great story :)

He made it up.

[wodahS]

He made it up.
No, his wife said that it was true... And biggie never answered about it. He never said yes or no.

[reggie jax]

Who's wife said it was true? You talkin about Biggie's wife, Faith Evans? She said it was a flat out lie.

Whether she's lieing or not will always remain a mystery. Personally I think it seems like something Pac would make up just to get to BIG.

[wodahS]

Who's wife said it was true? You talkin about Biggie's wife, Faith Evans? She said it was a flat out lie.

Whether she's lieing or not will always remain a mystery. Personally I think it seems like something Pac would make up just to get to BIG.
She said on radio it was true...

[Fidel_Cashflow]

It makes Evans bristle, however, that some people regard her as the source of the beef between Biggie and Tupac. Shakur claimed he had an affair with Evans, which she denies. "It's not the first time that happened to me - to get lied on," she says. "But God knows the truth. And I know the truth."

link (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gossip/story/295841p-253064c.html)

She only met him once for a recording and who cares Tupac was obviously trying to get back at BIG

[Just Spurplin]

I love Tupac, but i think he is highly over rated, ESPECIALLY his albums. Tupac never really made a good album. He made an album with some great songs, but none of his albums were like Nas's Illmatic, where every single song is perfect. Like look at his two-disc albums, you could eaisly cut those down into one, 12-14 song cd.

When i listen to Tupac, i only do it on my burned CDs, cause his albums i usually have to skip every other song cause i dont really like it. I also use my own cause i dont care for the gangster Tupac. Basically the only songs from him that i listen to are the kind of poetic ones where he actually has something he needs to say. Thats why Tupac was such a great rapper, because he some truly message heavy songs.

I like Brendas Got a Baby, Changes, Unconditional Love, Dear Mama, and Life Goes On. My number one favorite is Keep Ya Head. There are so many songs out there talkin all bout smack this bitch and fuck this hoe, and for him to make one dedicated to women like that, its great. And, its also the first song i heard from him, so i kinda hold it above the rest.

But id takes Tupacs poetry book The Rose That Grew From Concrete over any one of his cds any day.