Conservative coming out day. [Archive]

Instigator

02-05-2004, 04:05 AM

Originally posted by Delta
I wouldnt call everything the "left" doing as an "improvement". Nor would I say that the "right" is wanting to keep EVERYTHING the same.

I wouldn't either, but in general, the Left is a group of people dedicated to changing the world for the better (whether or not they do so is another story, but at least the intent is there), and the Right, just as much, is dedicated to keeping things the way they are (preventing progression in the process).

Bergs

02-05-2004, 11:47 AM

the Right, just as much, is dedicated to keeping things the way they are (preventing progression in the process).

Your reasoning is so simplistic its mind boggling. Because the right happens to disagree with your vision of "progress" we are opposed to progress? I dont think so. I would call many conservative ideas more progressive than anything the left has to offer. How about affirmative action? The libs are holding on to the ridiculous notion that people arent equal and minorities need help to be equal to white people. I favor total equality. I would call that much more progressive.

shade

02-05-2004, 03:11 PM

I was just wondering what those slogans would be at any kind of "grassroots" conservative event.... Grass roots conservative events tend to be people gathering and discussing topics of interest. On my campus, we tend to set up a booth about a particular topic and open ourselves to discussion or debate from anyone who walks by.

We dont chant stupid slogans. We persuade with fact and logic.

The Left is trying to improve the way things are; the Right is trying to keep things as they are. Wrong. The right is "If it aint broke dont fix it." So... what about things that ARE broke? We are totally open to fixing them. Medicare anyone? Education? Social security solvency? These are all topics that republicans are actively trying to reform, because they *are* broken. The difference is that when we try to fix them we put an emphasis on personal responsibility. For example, with social security, we want people to have the option to allocate their own social security in to other investments. I average 30-40% per year of return in the stock market. Social security gets like .5% per year. Why the hell should I be forced to contribute to such a shitty fund?? If someone else is insecure about their investing ability, let them stay in the current social security, but you have no right to force me to stay in that poorly managed program.

the Left is a group of people dedicated to changing the world for the better The left is dedicated to changing the world to socialism. Whether or not that is for the better is a matter of opinion.

Your reasoning is so simplistic its mind boggling. Hey bergs.... umm... instigator is a liberal.

Merkulrdanu

02-05-2004, 03:27 PM

if i tried to make a conservative club it would be shut down by the femminazi staff at my school

shade

02-05-2004, 03:29 PM

College or high school?

Bergs

02-05-2004, 03:37 PM

Report it!

http://www.thefire.org/index.php

Merkulrdanu

02-05-2004, 03:41 PM

high school,

but its ok to have an asian club, latino club, brothers making a difference, african american club, school sponsored black history, latino history, and chicano history months , (chicanos are from mexico), 10% club,

damn it sucks to be a straight middle class white male

BigMattTheHobo

02-05-2004, 03:42 PM

Funny how being a liberal has been demonized by conservatives. Being a liberal is good. Liberal thinking is good. Change would never happen if everyone was conservative. Throughout history there has been liberal thinking in both parties. You think freeing slaves is a conservative idea? Sure it was the republican party that made it happen, but do you really think people who don't want much change (during that time) would really of freed the slaves? Giving all races equal rights is liberal in thought, even if republicans did it. Medicare and social security is liberal because of its creation.

Change is good.

BigMattTheHobo

02-05-2004, 03:44 PM

Originally posted by Merkulrdanu
damn it sucks to be a straight middle class white male

Yeah, it really sucks. Your people have gone through thousands of years of prosperity. Your people get the best jobs and the best education. Don't complain because you are the majority, look at our government, it is a bunch of straight white guys making the laws. Everyone sure is represented :rolleyes:

Merkulrdanu

02-05-2004, 03:51 PM

Yeah, it really sucks. Your people have gone through thousands of years of prosperity. Your people get the best jobs and the best education. Don't complain because you are the majority, look at our government, it is a bunch of straight white guys making the laws. Everyone sure is represented

bullshit, who goes to college for free, not the middle class straight white guy,

my conservative straight mexican male friend goes to college free because he is mexican

how long would a white americans college fund last, it wouldnt, because theyed be sued for racism, but as jesse jackson says, "black people cant be racist"

the middle class didnt really exist until the last two hundred years

Funny how being a liberal has been demonized by conservatives. Being a liberal is good. Liberal thinking is good. Change would never happen if everyone was conservative. Throughout history there has been liberal thinking in both parties. You think freeing slaves is a conservative idea? Sure it was the republican party that made it happen, but do you really think people who don't want much change (during that time) would really of freed the slaves? Giving all races equal rights is liberal in thought, even if republicans did it. Medicare and social security is liberal because of its creation.

i am conservative because of my morals and where i live, if i was in cuba, id be a liberal there
the republican party is socially, economically and morally concervative, most members reflect old fashioned american christian values, which explains letting out the slaves, as slavery is unjust in christianity, as is equal rights

BigMattTheHobo

02-05-2004, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by Merkulrdanu
bullshit, who goes to college for free, not the middle class straight white guy,

Well, I didn't think many people go to college for free. Work hard for four years and you have a better chance. I am no fan of affirmitave action based on race. But don't complain, you are part of the most succesful group in this country.

which explains letting out the slaves, as slavery is unjust in christianity, as is equal rights

Is that why most (if not all) slave owners were Christian? Is that why Christianity was forced upon the slaves? Is that why part of the justification for slavery was that Africans were god-less savages? Christianity doesn't equal equal rights. Christians have run this country from pretty much day one, and equal rights just came around during the 1960's or so. Christians had slaves for hundreds and hundreds of years (all over the world) and they were finnaly "freed" in the late 1800's.

edit: your friend is probably a decent to good student. You can't just pull some random, poor (as in grades) student minority and put him up for college and expect him to make it.

Whites need somebody with balls to create an orginization for whites that isn't racially charged that awards scholarships for being a good student, athletics, etc. You need somebody who is going to ignore the baseless talk of racism.

Part of the reason you have trouble is because there are so many white kids that want to go to college, and there are very few characteristics to distinguish them apart. You are the majority, so you have to deal with some problems that come along with it.

droogsteve

02-05-2004, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by shade
The difference is that when we try to fix them we put an emphasis on personal responsibility. Exactly. It's all about personal responsibility. True conservatives believe in it. Liberals believe that the government is there to solve everyone's problem, even if it's your own fault. In reality that philosophy hurts the people they claim to want to help.

For example, affirmative action teaches minorities that they're inferior to white people and need special treatment. Oops, excuse me. That's not true of all minorities. Asians recieve no special treatment despite the fact that they're a much smaller minority than blacks or hispanics and often are overcoming a language barrier. I guess they haven't been here long enough to realize that if they whine and cry enough about racism, the government will give them special treatment too. Poor ignorant bastards. They don't realize they're in America now, so they cling to the outdated ideals of self-reliance and hard work. Sure their kids are at the top of the best colleges in the country, but do you realize how many parties they must have missed studying? Why not just fuck off and enjoy yourself and then file a discrimination lawsuit like everyone else?

Another example of something that needs to be changed immediately is SSI. SSI was designed to help the truly disabled who can't work. Instead it's turned into lifetime welfare for scam artists. All the talk about welfare reform is bullshit. All the people who used to abuse welfare are now on SSI due to "disabilties".
My brother tells me that at least 50% of the people he arrests in his precinct in the South Bronx are on SSI. I may have mentioned this before, but I was once talking with the guy sitting next to me on a flight to Cancun. After a while I asked him what he did for a living and he started laughing. He was recieving full SSI for "panic attacks". He couldn't work, but taking a flight to a foriegn country was OK. I'm still pissed off to this day that I didn't get his full name and report him. One of my employee's brother-in-law recieves SSI because he's an alcoholic!! The government pays him not to work and buys his booze for him. Think about that next time you have to leave for work at 6am during a snow storm.

Sorry if I'm a little off topic, but it's been a shitty day and I needed a good rant.

Merkulrdanu

02-05-2004, 04:08 PM

if you look at the acual laws put in in the 1860s-70s, civil rights were there, just not enforced

i live in a city with msu, something like the seventh largest college in the country, with the local community college, and small parts of universities in the area, i hear all about scholarship after scholarship that i cant get, because im white, i got one for academics, one that does not factor race, so the other people in it are iraqi, black, white

Is that why most (if not all) slave owners were Christian?
thats like saying osama is a muslim, he and they twisted their socalled religion for their own benefit

or the godless americans that its ok to kill, it is a perversion of christianity

yeah, everyone has had slaves, EVERYONE not one ethinic group has not taken slaves

Bergs

02-05-2004, 04:09 PM

But don't complain, you are part of the most succesful group in this country.

Hey your right! And for the past couple decades, we've started to be punished for it! Equality my ass.

Change is good.

Change for the better is good. I am so sick of liberals automatically assuming that liberal ideas equal change and change always equals good hence liberal ideas equal good. Its bullshit. Is hiring based on race good? Thats a liberal idea. Is taking an uneccessary amount of an individuals hard earned money good? Thats a liberal idea. Is forcing poor people to send their children to failing school districts when the taxpayer money could be used to send them someplace better a good idea? Because thats liberal too. And these are all things that conservatives want to change, for the better.

BigMattTheHobo

02-05-2004, 04:19 PM

I believe in taking more of rich people's money. If they want to live in this great country then they can help some less fortunate people, and they can help pay for the military that protects them. If you are making 1million+ then I say take more then half of their money, they don't need that much money. And until the guy who breaks his back all day for 6 days a week with no vacations or luxury while struggling to feed his family makes that much money, then I say the rich should help him out. Until you know what it is like to truly struggle, then you won't really believe in helping others.

You are not punished. You make the laws, you make the most money, you are in the majority.

No child left behind.... conservative support..... really sucks.....hmmmmm......better?

edit: how about the Christians during the early to mid 1900's who did nothing about civil rights? The millions of them just sat around and did nothing about rights for all and equal treament for all, something in which their beloved Christ would have surely of supported. They didn't seem to mind having blacks eat at seperate counters, sitting in the back of buses, being lynched left and right, having inferior education, being "seperate but equal", having to deal with john crow laws. This pretty much only applies to the south, but their were millions of Christians there.

Merkulrdanu

02-05-2004, 04:29 PM

they have graduated taxes, i forget the numbe for cutoff, let say its 100k
at 100k, they start taking 30 % as opposed to 15% so you have more money with 99k a year, thats bullshit

who do you know that works 6 days a week without luxuries or vacations to feed a family and who is not on drugs, highschool dropout, have cable( all those welfare kids have cable and they damn well dont need it if they are that poor, the system is abused, which is why conservative want to reform an aid group being used as a lifestyle) do you, my uncle does that to feed 6 kids, and he never did well in school because he was lazy, its bad, but it his fault, and they do have cable, computer, and food for 6 big kids

mlk is roling in his grave, he wanted EQUALITY not racism against whites

droogsteve

02-05-2004, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by BigMattTheHobo
Yeah, it really sucks. Your people have gone through thousands of years of prosperity. Your people get the best jobs and the best education. Don't complain because you are the majority, look at our government, it is a bunch of straight white guys making the laws. Everyone sure is represented :rolleyes: "My people" have CREATED thousands of years of prosperity. This is going to sound racist, but fuck it, I'm goddamn tired of being PC. The "straight white males" that you disdain built this goddamn country. They built modern society. And now I'm supposed to smile as people piss all over me as if I'm fucking personally responsible for oppressing the masses? Fuck that. It's not my responsibility and I fucking refuse to accept it.

Every time I hear a liberal use the phrase "straight white male" as if we're all part of some fucking club, I have to choke back my rage. My ancestors came here with nothing and were treated like shit. "No Irish need apply" signs were everywhere. The only time they were treated equally was when they were fucking drafted into the Union army so they could die freeing the slaves. How's that for "that best jobs and the best education". We worked our way out of poverty with no goddamn help from anyone.

And I'm tired of liberals throwing around the word "white" as if it's a fucking character flaw or moral weakness. The rich oppress the poor. It has nothing to do with race. In African countries where there are no whites, the situation is brutal. The ruling class lives in luxury while children starve in the streets. Natural resources are plundered for the gain a a few while the masses recieve nothing. The people there would give their right arms for a "straight white male" government like ours. Their "racially representitive" government is killing them.

Black culture in the US oppresses black people, not the government. Kids aspire to be gangsters and thugs. They're embarrassed to go to college and proud to go to jail. Illiterate rappers are considered role models and educated blacks are called sellouts and Uncle Toms. The biggest compliment you can give someone is to call him a pimp. Teenage motherhood is considered perfectly acceptable. There's absolutely no stigma to it at all. Nothing is going to improve in the black community until they take responsibility for their own actions and stop blaming the white man.

shade

02-05-2004, 05:07 PM

Being a liberal is good. Liberal thinking is good. Change would never happen if everyone was conservative. Conservatives conserve what they believe to be good. They do not object to changing what is clearly wrong. Saying that conservatives are blanketly against all change is like saying liberals always want every single thing to change, even after they have made changes, they want to change it again, and will never accept any change as being functional, and will always want to change it again forever until the end of days. Sounds pretty tiring to me.

Your people have gone through thousands of years of prosperity. Your people get the best jobs and the best education. So "people" = the individual? We also personally get blamed for the sins of our grandparents and their parents. Im sorry, I did not own slaves. Dont give me your shit about it.

I believe in taking more of rich people's money. If they want to live in this great country then they can help some less fortunate people, and they can help pay for the military that protects them. Half of what you said is right.

Instigator

02-05-2004, 07:38 PM

Merk, you're full of shit. Go ahead and start the conservative club.

Hey bergs.... umm... instigator is a liberal.

Actually, shade, you're more liberal than I am. If you know anything about political science you should know why.

My view of the perfect society is one in which human productivity is not at odds with itself (meaning that while there is not great wealth there is not great poverty either). Conservatives and Liberals, technically, are both liberal-minded, because they see the need for the government (or Liberal individuals in conjunction with the government) to counteract the humans who exploit and oppress others.

I see this as a never-ending cycle that only degenerates as time passes and the economic gap grows wider. I don't subscribe to Liberal Capitalist philosophy (and all Liberal philosophy is capitalist. You won't find a single Liberal who proclaims their intent to destroy capitalism, although that's how it may seem to a reactionary. Liberals, in fact, are justifying capitalism, in essentially the same way as their conservative counterparts).

BigMattTheHobo

02-05-2004, 07:40 PM

Saying that conservatives are blanketly against all change is like saying liberals always want every single thing to change

You are right. I have been getting a little "heated" /extreme over some posts lately, I apologize.

I am not the one who brought up the straight white male stuff. And I agree Droog, I just don't think you whites should be complaining, your grandparents and parents put in a lot of hard work to get to where you are now.

I am not advocating reperations (sp?) or racial affirmitive action. I just don't like when I hear whites complain about not getting into college or about money. Unless you were part of the masses that came over through immigration or you are part of a poverty stricken area or family, then don't complain, you have the upper hand. Look around, who has the best jobs, whites. I don't have a problem with that, obviously work has been done by them getting where they are.

I don't disdain any group. I simply believe that white have the "advantage" in this country, to the fault of nobody. You are definantly right, they have worked hard for hundreds of years to get where they are, and they deserve that (I am not advocating taking away what they worked for). Now I think help should be given to the groups that haven't been here as long and haven't had it very good for long. I am sorry if your ancestors had no help whenl they tried to get along, but I feel that we should help those who need help now, because the means are out there to.

Merkulrdanu, I don't personally know anyone like that right now, but I have. But I grew up in and around poverty. I am lucky to get out and have it as good as I do now. People automatically think that if people are poor they are lazy. This is not true. Growing up in Detroit I came to know many people who were poor, people that didn't have any luxuries (tv, car, etc..), they were all extremely hard working. My own family (me, sister, mom) had it pretty hard. We had no car, we had to walk everywhere, it really sucks walking with all your clothes to get them washed and having to carry them back. My Mom wasn't a HS drop out and she certainly didn't do drugs.

all those welfare kids have cable

How many "welfare kids" do you know? Sure, like any huge government program, welfare has flaws, but it certainly helps many people who need it.

Fossil

02-05-2004, 09:03 PM

AHHHHH. Someone give Droog a potatoe quick! He needs an infusion of potassium before his blood pressure explodes!!

Conservatism is like the Inquisition.

Liberalism is like the Renaissance.

droogsteve

02-05-2004, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by Fossil
Conservatism is like the Inquisition.

Liberalism is like the Renaissance.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Liberals are like children who just can't understand why everyone can't play nicely together and eat candy for dinner every night.

Conservatives are like parents who must put up with hysterical tantrums when they explain why that isn't possible.

Instigator

02-05-2004, 10:36 PM

Yeah, Liberals shouldn't want things like freedom and liberty for humans. What senseless indulgences..

Just about the only Americans who can't call themselves liberals are libertarians, socialists, anarchists, and fascists.

droogsteve

02-05-2004, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by Instigator
Yeah, Liberals shouldn't want things like freedom and liberty for humans. My last post was a facetious response to Fossil's silly inquisition/renaissance post. But as long as you bring it up, liberals are in favor of big government micro-managing our lives. That doesn't sound like freedom and liberty to me.

I'm more of a libertarian than a conservative. The problem with a lot of people who label label themselves as liberal or conservative is that they take party loyalty to ludicrous extremes. For example, for many conservatives Bush and the Republicans can do no wrong. If a videotape surfaced showing Bush laughing maniacally as he talked about how he invented the WMD threat as an excuse for war, many conservatives would still be defending him with the same "Yeah, but it's OK because Saddam was a naughty naughty man" bullshit we're hearing now. It's almost cult-like how they all repeat it. I have friends that now consider me a liberal because I dare question the motives behind the war. Far from it. I just can't stand being lied to. Accepting any bullshit that the White House feeds you doesn't make you a loyal conservative. It makes you a sheep.

But it goes both ways. I've seen liberals that won't admit ANYTHING Bush does is good. When you bring up the surging economy, they actually seem angry.

These people show a frightening degree of loyalty to their chosen ideologues, refusing to even consider unpleasant truths. I have no idea why people are so rigid. For a conservative to admit that maybe Bush lied and isn't the heroic terror fighter and liberator of the poor oppressed Iraqis that he claims to be won't invalidate your beliefs. It just means that Bush is a liar. He betrayed you and your beliefs. The same with liberals. Many seem like they would rather have the economy tank and people lose their jobs and homes than admit that maybe some of Bush's ideas aren't so bad.

We really need to get over this "us against them" way of thinking.

Instigator

02-05-2004, 11:28 PM

Liberalism is the basis for modern conservatism in addition to modern liberalism and I just can't agree with it.

Because I think that human society is not necessarily counteractive to human welfare.

We really need to get over this "us against them" way of thinking.

AGREED.

This is why most patriotism disgusts me.

shade

02-06-2004, 12:18 AM

Is that why most (if not all) slave owners were Christian? And... most (if not all) abolitionists were also Christian. What is your point? Everyone was Christian. And Christianity was voluntary on the slaves' behalf. It gave them hope that their existance would not always be so shitty. Despite their situation, if they lived their life well and believed in God they could go to heaven when they died. That makes living a little easier.

Black culture in the US oppresses black people, not the government. Kids aspire to be gangsters and thugs. Today for dinner in the cafeteria they had a hip hop "karoeke event." The only words I could hear were motherfucker, nigger, sweaty nuts, weed, rape, hoe, nigger, fuck, and nigger a few more times. I was shocked that they were allowed to do this in public in the -only- open cafeteria at the time. I just wanted to eat dinner in peace, but that wasnt possible. You could tell by looking around that many people were pissed off about this. The person from UNT housing who was "supervising" this is the same person who hassles my friends and I when we want to have a LAN party in the cafeteria. You know those roudy kids bringing their computers and playing games... so horrible compared to this. Anyway, I filed a formal complaint.

Actually, shade, you're more liberal than I am. If you know anything about political science you should know why. Hi. I am basing my scale on modern US politics. Thanks for visiting though. Reactionary? Thats a laugh. If you want to see a reactionary government, go to Africa or the middle east.

Conservatives are like parents who must put up with hysterical tantrums when they explain why that isn't possible. Awesome... im thinking sig material there.

Yeah, Liberals shouldn't want things like freedom and liberty for humans. What senseless indulgences.. And that is what we have right now. Thank goodness liberals' jobs are done.

Instigator

02-06-2004, 02:20 AM

A liberal's job will never be done, because their philosophy defeats itself.

If we truly had freedom and liberty, we'd have a president (at least once in our 200 years) who wasn't a white straight christian rich male. We'd have the same proportion of blacks and latinos in colleges as whites. We'd have no earnings gap between men and women, and our laws would all uphold the constitution (such as gay marriage).

Delta

02-06-2004, 03:35 AM

If we truly had freedom and liberty, we'd have a president (at least once in our 200 years) who wasn't a white straight christian rich male. The President is elected by a majority of the population through the Electorial Collage. The majority of the population is in the "Straight chistian male".

We'd have the same proportion of blacks and latinos in colleges as whites. Thats just an intelligence factor there buddy, you just need to get over the fact that whites generally have a higher level of intelligence. Im not trying to be racist, im just pointing out the facts.

and our laws would all uphold the constitution (such as gay marriage). Show me in the constitution where it says gays can get married and ill mail you a cookie.

For some reason your starting to sound a little commie to me. Is there something you need to tell us Che.....uh I mean Inst?

Instigator

02-06-2004, 03:56 AM

Originally posted by Delta
The majority of the population is in the "Straight chistian male".
...maybe in 1789, but not now.

whites generally have a higher level of intelligence.
That is racist. It is not a fact, it's a fallacy, that anthropologists and biologists have disproven in the last 30 years. I don't even think shade would agree with that statement, Delta.

Show me in the constitution where it says gays can get married and ill mail you a cookie.

14th amendment: equal treatment for all citizens.

Bugfatty

02-06-2004, 04:23 AM

...maybe in 1789, but not now.

Wrong. According to census 2000 75.1% of the population is white. Blacks coming in at 12%

http://www.usatoday.com/graphics/census2000/usnav/usnav.htm

Instigator

02-06-2004, 04:26 AM

Originally posted by Bugfatty
According to census 2000 75.1% of the population is white.

White, straight, male, rich, and christian?

Because otherwise Delta's point (and yours) has no bearing.

Kungfoofighter

02-06-2004, 05:05 AM

Originally posted by droogsteve
"My people" have CREATED thousands of years of prosperity. This is going to sound racist, but fuck it, I'm goddamn tired of being PC. The "straight white males" that you disdain built this goddamn country. They built modern society. And now I'm supposed to smile as people piss all over me as if I'm fucking personally responsible for oppressing the masses? Fuck that. It's not my responsibility and I fucking refuse to accept it.

Every time I hear a liberal use the phrase "straight white male" as if we're all part of some fucking club, I have to choke back my rage. My ancestors came here with nothing and were treated like shit. "No Irish need apply" signs were everywhere. The only time they were treated equally was when they were fucking drafted into the Union army so they could die freeing the slaves. How's that for "that best jobs and the best education". We worked our way out of poverty with no goddamn help from anyone.

And I'm tired of liberals throwing around the word "white" as if it's a fucking character flaw or moral weakness. The rich oppress the poor. It has nothing to do with race. In African countries where there are no whites, the situation is brutal. The ruling class lives in luxury while children starve in the streets. Natural resources are plundered for the gain a a few while the masses recieve nothing. The people there would give their right arms for a "straight white male" government like ours. Their "racially representitive" government is killing them.

Black culture in the US oppresses black people, not the government. Kids aspire to be gangsters and thugs. They're embarrassed to go to college and proud to go to jail. Illiterate rappers are considered role models and educated blacks are called sellouts and Uncle Toms. The biggest compliment you can give someone is to call him a pimp. Teenage motherhood is considered perfectly acceptable. There's absolutely no stigma to it at all. Nothing is going to improve in the black community until they take responsibility for their own actions and stop blaming the white man.

That has possably been the best fucking thing I have heard all week. I agree 100% with that post.

Bugfatty

02-06-2004, 05:07 AM

White, straight, male, rich, and christian?

Its a no brainer that at least 70% to 80% of whites are christian so that makes White Christians a majority. According to census 2000 men just barely out number women making it about half and half and as for being rich, you are right. Most whites are middle class, so to be truly fair and honest we should ellect a white middle class male/female to office.

Merkulrdanu

02-06-2004, 09:17 AM

race should not even be a factor, if thats whos qualified, take him, but i have seen less qualified people get things over me because they are "oppressed" if thats oppession, i want in

as for the oppression, a black teacher of mine once said that he was discriminated against by black people because he had nice clothes, a recent model car, and talked in proper english

another obstacle for a club is finding a willing staff member to be the chaperone

shade

02-06-2004, 11:36 AM

If we truly had freedom and liberty, we'd have a president (at least once in our 200 years) who wasn't a white straight christian rich male. That has nothing to do with anything. If we truly had freedom and liberty you could leave the country or your state whenever you want. You wouldnt have to ask for permission to do anything that wasnt illegal (or regulated, but lets see who makes most of those?...).

You have freedom and liberty. STFU and enjoy it or go to any other country in the world and realise what its like not having it.

...maybe in 1789, but not now. Wow you must be taking retard pills. Please show me the group that has a higher population than white christian males.

That is racist. It is not a fact, it's a fallacy, that anthropologists and biologists have disproven in the last 30 years. I don't even think shade would agree with that statement, Delta. Even shade? I take offense to the even. I have never shown myself to be racist or hold any racist views. The reason blacks arent in college is because their culture of gangbanging, rap, and lack of fathers. But oh thats right, Im conservative and therefor must be racist.

14th amendment: equal treatment for all citizens. And if marriage is when a man and woman join together... then gays cant get married. If they want to cohabitate, thats fine. Otherwise its like you are complaining than women have to be the ones who bare children and that isnt fair under the 14th ammendment. Im sorry, that is just how it is.

White, straight, male, rich, and christian? Oh inserting rich now? Well what is your definition of rich? What next? White, straight, male, rich, christian, and a member of the illuminati?