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scavenger
08-22-2005, 12:27 AM
Here's an excellent article from theonion.com.

Evangelical Scientists Refute Gravity With New "Intelligent Falling" Theory

KANSAS CITY, KS—As the debate over the teaching of evolution in public schools continues, a new controversy over the science curriculum arose Monday in this embattled Midwestern state. Scientists from the Evangelical Center For Faith-Based Reasoning are now asserting that the long-held "theory of gravity" is flawed, and they have responded to it with a new theory of Intelligent Falling.
Rev. Gabriel Burdett (left) explains Intelligent Falling.
Above: Rev. Gabriel Burdett (left) explains Intelligent Falling.

"Things fall not because they are acted upon by some gravitational force, but because a higher intelligence, 'God' if you will, is pushing them down," said Gabriel Burdett, who holds degrees in education, applied Scripture, and physics from Oral Roberts University.

Burdett added: "Gravity—which is taught to our children as a law—is founded on great gaps in understanding. The laws predict the mutual force between all bodies of mass, but they cannot explain that force. Isaac Newton himself said, 'I suspect that my theories may all depend upon a force for which philosophers have searched all of nature in vain.' Of course, he is alluding to a higher power."

Founded in 1987, the ECFR is the world's leading institution of evangelical physics, a branch of physics based on literal interpretation of the Bible.

According to the ECFR paper published simultaneously this week in the International Journal Of Science and the adolescent magazine God's Word For Teens!, there are many phenomena that cannot be explained by secular gravity alone, including such mysteries as how angels fly, how Jesus ascended into Heaven, and how Satan fell when cast out of Paradise.

The ECFR, in conjunction with the Christian Coalition and other Christian conservative action groups, is calling for public-school curriculums to give equal time to the Intelligent Falling theory. They insist they are not asking that the theory of gravity be banned from schools, but only that students be offered both sides of the issue "so they can make an informed decision."

"We just want the best possible education for Kansas' kids," Burdett said.

Proponents of Intelligent Falling assert that the different theories used by secular physicists to explain gravity are not internally consistent. Even critics of Intelligent Falling admit that Einstein's ideas about gravity are mathematically irreconcilable with quantum mechanics. This fact, Intelligent Falling proponents say, proves that gravity is a theory in crisis.

"Let's take a look at the evidence," said ECFR senior fellow Gregory Lunsden."In Matthew 15:14, Jesus says, 'And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.' He says nothing about some gravity making them fall—just that they will fall. Then, in Job 5:7, we read, 'But mankind is born to trouble, as surely as sparks fly upwards.' If gravity is pulling everything down, why do the sparks fly upwards with great surety? This clearly indicates that a conscious intelligence governs all falling."

Critics of Intelligent Falling point out that gravity is a provable law based on empirical observations of natural phenomena. Evangelical physicists, however, insist that there is no conflict between Newton's mathematics and Holy Scripture.

"Closed-minded gravitists cannot find a way to make Einstein's general relativity match up with the subatomic quantum world," said Dr. Ellen Carson, a leading Intelligent Falling expert known for her work with the Kansan Youth Ministry. "They've been trying to do it for the better part of a century now, and despite all their empirical observation and carefully compiled data, they still don't know how."

"Traditional scientists admit that they cannot explain how gravitation is supposed to work," Carson said. "What the gravity-agenda scientists need to realize is that 'gravity waves' and 'gravitons' are just secular words for 'God can do whatever He wants.'"

Some evangelical physicists propose that Intelligent Falling provides an elegant solution to the central problem of modern physics.

"Anti-falling physicists have been theorizing for decades about the 'electromagnetic force,' the 'weak nuclear force,' the 'strong nuclear force,' and so-called 'force of gravity,'" Burdett said. "And they tilt their findings toward trying to unite them into one force. But readers of the Bible have already known for millennia what this one, unified force is: His name is Jesus."
http://www.theonion.com/news/index.php?issue=4133&n=2

TORCH
08-22-2005, 01:10 AM
Let me be the first to say, I'm surprised people who would believe in such stupid stories like that are obviously not "Intelligent". Why is it that since Bush has been in office, it seems as if every right-wing radical religious groups wants us to move in back in evolution. Oops, sorry can't use the word, "evolution"! :lol:

I hope everyone watching this post has HBO. You might want to check out Real Time with Bill Maher! This last episode (being replayed every night) on August 19th, one of his "New Rules" had to deal with this similar issue. I'm going to try to copy it down, and paste it after seeing it later on tonight! It was hilarious, and very true!

HERE ARE SOME "NEW RULES" (http://www.hbo.com/billmaher/new_rules/)

I personally think anyone who follows and actually believe such things like Creationism and Intelligent Falling should be be put in a room with padded walls.

scavenger
08-22-2005, 01:18 AM
That was great.
"The next reality show must be called "America's Stupidest State." We'll start at 50, and each week, if your state does something really stupid with, say, evolution or images of the Virgin Mary, you'll move on to the next round."

I've posted this before, but this is a better section for it. This is the April Fool's article from Scientific American in 2005.

Okay, We Give Up

There's no easy way to admit this. For years, helpful letter writers told us to stick to science. They pointed out that science and politics don't mix. They said we should be more balanced in our presentation of such issues as creationism, missile defense, and global warming. We resisted their advice and pretended not to be stung by the accusations that the magazine should be renamed Unscientific American, or Scientific Unamerican, or even Unscientific Unamerican. But spring is in the air, and all of nature is turning over a new leaf, so there's no better time to say: you were right, and we were wrong.

In retrospect, this magazine's coverage of so-called evolution has been hideously one-sided. For decades, we published articles in every issue that endorsed the ideas of Charles Darwin and his cronies. True, the theory of common descent through natural selection has been called the unifying concept for all of biology and one of the greatest scientific ideas of all time, but that was no excuse to be fanatics about it. Where were the answering articles presenting the powerful case for scientific creationism? Why were we so unwilling to suggest that dinosaurs lived 6,000 years ago or that a cataclysmic flood carved the Grand Canyon? Blame the scientists. They dazzled us with their fancy fossils, their radiocarbon dating and their tens of thousands of peer-reviewed journal articles. As editors, we had no business being persuaded by mountains of evidence.

Moreover, we shamefully mistreated the Intelligent Design (ID) theorists by lumping them in with creationists. Creationists believe that God designed all life, and that's a somewhat religious idea. But ID theorists think that at unspecified times some unnamed superpowerful entity designed life, or maybe just some species, or maybe just some of the stuff in cells. That's what makes ID a superior scientific theory: it doesn't get bogged down in details.

Good journalism values balance above all else. We owe it to our readers to present everybody's ideas equally and not to ignore or discredit theories simply because they lack scienfically credible arguments or facts. Nor should we succumb to the easy mistake of thinking that scientists understand their fields better than, say, U.S. senators or best-selling novelists do. Indeed, if politicians or special-interest groups say things that seem untrue or misleading, our duty as journalists is to quote them without comment or contradiction. To do otherwise would be elitist and therefore wrong. In that spirit, we will end the practice of expressing our own views in this space: an editorial page is no place for opinions.

Get ready for a new Scientific American. No more discussions of how science should inform policy. If the government commits blindly to building an anti-ICBM defense system that can't work as promised, that will waste tens of billions of taxpayers' dollars and imperil national security, you won't hear about it from us. If studies suggest that the administration's antipollution measures would actually increase the dangerous particulates that people breathe during the next two decades, that's not our concern. No more discussions of how policies affect science either - so what if the budget for the National Science Foundation is slashed? This magazine will be dedicated purely to science, fair and balanced science, and not just the science that scientists say is science. And it will start on April Fools' Day.

- THE EDITIORS editors@sciam.com
It has an illustration of an issue of SciAm with these headlines.
15 Good Points by Creationists
A Balanced Debate: Is the Earth Flat?
The Myth of the Atom
Let's Just Ignore CO2
Reason, Schmeason

Pinkfloyd
08-22-2005, 01:21 AM
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Um, its satire, dude. I guess you didn't get it. :rolleyes:



Anyway the onion rocks, its awesome.

TORCH
08-22-2005, 01:27 AM
I didn't read through it all, but see how some rednecks would probably believe it. I still hate ignorant Bible thumping retards!

Finity
08-22-2005, 10:48 AM
I can see how the christian religion (which I am a part of) can contain some theories that had me questioning at first, I believe that all that happens is already known by God but... Intellegent falling? This even contradicts all belief in christianity, If gravity doesn't exist than why have we been able to control it (in small proportion of course)? I still bet this theory that is flawed stays around like evolution has lol... I see it as a theory, 2 bible verses isn't going to convince me because the bible doesn't say anything about intellegent falling, yes it talks about falling and moving up but it says nothing of the manor in which it falls or rises! If these people can prove their "hypothesis" then I will truly look at the world in a whole new way!

EDIT: By the way I live in Kansas, and I live in the city where scientism (a really :censor: up religion) was started. So in many ways I agree that Kansas is in the top five... We have cows and airplanes though :bang: :D

scavenger
08-22-2005, 11:30 AM
I can see how the christian religion (which I am a part of) can contain some theories that had me questioning at first, I believe that all that happens is already known by God but... Intellegent falling? This even contradicts all belief in christianity, If gravity doesn't exist than why have we been able to control it (in small proportion of course)? I still bet this theory that is flawed stays around like evolution has lol... I see it as a theory, 2 bible verses isn't going to convince me because the bible doesn't say anything about intellegent falling, yes it talks about falling and moving up but it says nothing of the manor in which it falls or rises! If these people can prove their "hypothesis" then I will truly look at the world in a whole new way!

EDIT: By the way I live in Kansas, and I live in the city where scientism (a really :censor: up religion) was started. So in many ways I agree that Kansas is in the top five... We have cows and airplanes though :bang: :D
The Onion is a website for fake, funny news.

OmnicientEye
08-22-2005, 07:51 PM
Wow that was hilarious. :lol:

Finity
08-23-2005, 01:25 AM
The Onion is a website for fake, funny news.

I know that, I didn't say I agreed with intellegent falling... :wtf:

scavenger
08-23-2005, 02:51 AM
I know that, I didn't say I agreed with intellegent falling... :wtf:
But you did seem to take it seriously.

Finity
08-25-2005, 08:52 PM
I took the intellegent falling theory as a THEORY. Still taken seriously, in a crazy, most likely isn't true kinda way!

fadetoblack5297
08-25-2005, 09:15 PM
Let me be the first to say, I'm surprised people who would believe in such stupid stories like that are obviously not "Intelligent". Why is it that since Bush has been in office, it seems as if every right-wing radical religious groups wants us to move in back in evolution. Oops, sorry can't use the word, "evolution"! :lol:

I hope everyone watching this post has HBO. You might want to check out Real Time with Bill Maher! This last episode (being replayed every night) on August 19th, one of his "New Rules" had to deal with this similar issue. I'm going to try to copy it down, and paste it after seeing it later on tonight! It was hilarious, and very true!

HERE ARE SOME "NEW RULES" (http://www.hbo.com/billmaher/new_rules/)

I personally think anyone who follows and actually believe such things like Creationism and Intelligent Falling should be be put in a room with padded walls.
You've never heard of The Onion, have you? :)

FTB

Wu-tang
08-25-2005, 09:30 PM
I didn't read through it all, but see how some rednecks would probably believe it. I still hate ignorant Bible thumping retards!

Wow you've shown how intelligent you are on so many posts.