PrideFC vs. UFC

[snyderman]

Pride is the flashy, big money outfit out of Japan. The UFC is the American made up and comer.

I grew up with the UFC, but was hooked on Pride after Total Elim 2004. Pride seemed like the obvious choice- they have some of the most talented fighters in the world (CroCop, Fedor-My $ is on Fedor :cool: Big Nog, Wandy, etc)
However, it comes out this week that Pride does not test its fighters for PEDs! How can Pride call themselves sportsmen?! With these stupid policies, how can there be fights between the two organizations if the Pride guys fail the damn piss tests? MMA is the greatest sport in the world, and hopefully the UFC keeps outing fighters who fail, and they can get more mainstream exposure.

[deballedtomcat]

PRIDE has been known to have worked shoots,UFC has not.

[snyderman]

PRIDE has been known to have worked shoots,UFC has not.
For real?! That is the ultimate disgrace!! Pride is EXACTLY like the funkin WWE.
Its sad, because juice and fixes aside, they have some top teir fighters. Money corrupts, tho

[Obeseanorexic23]

Pride fighting is much more dangerous and i consider it a slugfest more than a sport...UFC has truly evolved into an actual sport now unlike when we saw the first ufc's with the Gracie brothers fighting in no weight classes and not many rules to protect the fighters. I dont agree with being allowed to kick a fighter while he is down like I think they still do in pride...it has to be somewhat safe their needs to be qualified refs like in the UFC alot of people get angry when they stop the fights soo soon in the UFC but its for the fighters safety.....one day UFC will take over boxing I bet you....Its a fun sport to watch and now with all the new rules its hard for someone to actually die..I consider it no less brutal than football shat can still happen but these fighters train and are conditioned to take the hardest falls and attacks so I think alot of states that still ban it will someday see it as an actual sporting event like football.....remember in the early days football was considered extremely brutal but now its widely accepted.

[L4NC3R]

I view the UFC as being the immature younger brother of the PFC. I think Pride is the pennacle of accomplishment. They're structered more professionaly. While the UFC prides themselves off an octagon cage in some grungy, underground fighting enviroment, the PFC gains the respect of the Japanese people by saying its okay to enjoy combat sports and not have to be a redneck. There is just a huge gap between UFC and PFC.

I myself prefer PFC. They just have a more professional look. Not only that but the fighters are very professional and highly admired by the Japanese people. I will never forget how much ovation Shamrock and Frye got in their last bout at Bad Blood.

Not only that but my favorite fighters are more PFC based than UFC: Frye, Sapp, Hunt, Cro Cop, Vanderlea, and Fedor.

[snyderman]

I view the UFC as being the immature younger brother of the PFC. I think Pride is the pennacle of accomplishment. They're structered more professionaly. While the UFC prides themselves off an octagon cage in some grungy, underground fighting enviroment, the PFC gains the respect of the Japanese people by saying its okay to enjoy combat sports and not have to be a redneck. There is just a huge gap between UFC and PFC.

I myself prefer PFC. They just have a more professional look. Not only that but the fighters are very professional and highly admired by the Japanese people. I will never forget how much ovation Shamrock and Frye got in their last bout at Bad Blood.

Not only that but my favorite fighters are more PFC based than UFC: Frye, Sapp, Hunt, Cro Cop, Vanderlea, and Fedor.
There is no doudt Pride has more cash and butts in seats when it comes down to it. They do a few things I wish they would change. Like stated above, stomps and soccer style kicks are allowed to downed opponents. All your Chute Boxe guys, Wanderlei included, make good use of this. IMO, this move is cowardly. When your opponent hits the mat, give them some good old fashioned GnP, a submission, or let them get up. Then get on with the stand up game.
Frye is an all American guy. If the UFC could pay like Pride, he would have never left.
If Sapp learned some conditioning, and the rules ;) , he could be the best.
Mark Hunt is one of my faves, too. I think he is a little better suited to stay in K1. If he can get his ground game anywhere near as effective as those dynamite hands, hell KTFO of anyone!
Mirko has that high kick and all, but Fedor is a fucking animal! Id be scared to be in first row, much less fight him main event. Did you see that Ranleroids slam that Fedor didnt even feel! :eek: CroCop is getting his ass handed to him at the PPV!

[L4NC3R]

I don't know, I think those stomps and kicks are basically the same thing as ground 'n pound, only with feet instead of fists. But usually UFC fighters who use ground 'n pound tactics push thier opponents up against the cage, rendering any defense nearly impossible, which could be viewed just as cowardly. But you do have a point. Ground 'n pound, while useful, can be reversed/countered at any time, depending on the situation and experience of the fool being pounded on. Thats how Ortiz became so successful. He wouldn't ever won against Vanderlea or Kondo if he didn't have ground 'n pound to fall back on. I noticed when fought straight up kickboxers like the Iceman and Belfort, he tried to out-wrestle and use his ground 'n pound techniques.

[Incoheria]

PRIDE has been known to have worked shoots,UFC has not.

Not true, UFC has had some worked fights.

[Red]

Like what?

[snyderman]

Not true, UFC has had some worked fights.

Which ones? :confused:

[L4NC3R]

The first bout between Randy Coture and Chuck Lidell! Chuck was dominated a little too much. Thats just a guess, I'm not sure on that one. I just think Chuck seemed a little tamed in that bout.

It would've made the follow-up bout a HUGE SMASH! In which it did.

[isdisyou]

Not true, UFC has had some worked fights.
What is a worked fight? I'm new to this stuff.

[snyderman]

What is a worked fight? I'm new to this stuff.
A worked fight, or worked shoot, is a pro wrestling term. It means the outcome of the match, and some of the bigger moves to happen, are pre determined.
This is good for the WWE, so you can create story lines, but it has no place in real competition.

[cottonzway]

I love them both. I think at this point Pride gets the better fights usually because they pay more. It isn not as lopsided as some think, but they always have the best HW fighters in the world. If I were to grade per weight class who has the better overall talent at this time it would look like this:

Hw: Pride (by a lot)
205: Pride
185: UFC
170: UFC (by a lot)
155: Pride (by default as the UFC doesn't have one right now)

I like the set up of the Cage better then the ring. That confuses people with shit like pro-wrestling IMO. I like the downed kicks in Pride, but they don't allow the use of elbows so that sucks. It makes it harder on guys who train in Mauy Thai or wrestlers who want to throw them on the ground. I think people think Pride is more brutal because of the downed kicks (God bless Chute Boxe :bang: ) but those elbows are brutal as well.

I wish they would work together more and send more reps to each others company to fight. It will only help the sport IMO. As far as the "works" go there are always claims to works. In the UFC, Pride, and other MMA shows.
I don't take any of them serious until it is proven though. Otherwise it could just be some hater.

Support them both and the sport of MMA. I train in a lot of this stuff. Arts like Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Judo, Muay Thai kickboxing, and boxing. I love the grappling part more then anything. Triangles, armbars, omp latas, ect. Fun stuff. Hopefully it is to the point where it no longer will be blackballed by the public. It's a great sport and I live it.

[joka]

I don't follow either but one of my old teachers. I think his name is mike franscier, he fights for UFC.

[snyderman]

Hw: Pride (by a lot)
205: Pride
185: UFC
170: UFC (by a lot)
155: Pride (by default as the UFC doesn't have one right now)

I agree, but I think HW changing. Andrei Arlovski is top shelf, and my boy Paul Buentello is about to shock the world at UFC 55. They also have Tim Sylvia and Shamrock, so theyre decent. Its hard to argue with goddam Fedor and CroCop tho... I just saw all the spoilers for the Pride PPV, and it looks like a 7 out of 10. I still gotta get it!
I like the reality and brutality of the stomps and elbows on the ground, but I think they stop too many fights due to cuts. Almost as bad as headbutts.
With all this TUF2 exposure, I hope LIddell can make as much as Roy Jones Jr one day. :cool:

[snyderman]

I don't follow either but one of my old teachers. I think his name is mike franscier, he fights for UFC.
Ive seen a James Fanscheir fight in the King of the Cage. Hes bad ass, the welterweight champ in fact.

[joka]

Yeah thats his name, haha I haven't seen him in a while, he is a P.E teacher at Mitchell middle school.

"In his new school in Rancho Cordova, CA, a young seventh grader said to him, “Hey,Mr. Fanshier, you used to kickbox? My dad fights in the UFC.” As truth be told, Cal Worsham’s son was in Fanshier’s PE class. James began working out with his new team, “Worsham’s Team X”. Internally inspired to train and compete again, he asked Cal to get him a fight at the next Gladiator Challenge MMA competition. James still gets down to train with his old San Jose teammates, Cung Le & Rudi Ott, as often as possible."

http://www.cungle.com/cungle/profile_james_fanshier.html



Bahaha
i know a welterweight champion.

[deballedtomcat]

a WORK is something that is predetermined by both participants,much like pro wrestling matches

a SHOOT is something not predetermined,or something that is "real"

a WORKED SHOOT is when a few guys,sometimes only the 2 involved,try to work even the other guys,and make you BELEIVE that they are shooting on/with each other,when in fact they are working other folks.

a good example of a worked fight would be Koji Kitao vs Nathan Jones from PRIDE
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as to the UFC having worked fights,I have yet to see/hear any evidence of such,other than Mark Hall claiming that his second fight vs Don Frye was worked..............I do not belive Hall at all,as in the first fight,he was totally brutalized by Frye,and in the second,he tapped in less than 20 seconds.Hall was "working" the people who paid to see good fights when he made those remarks,bottom line is he tapped early to avoid yet another beating.
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then there is the idea of manipulating fights/results..............notice the difference between "working" fights and "manipulating" them.One aspect of manipulation is putting a much more skilled fighter against a lesser skilled fighter,the desired result being that the "name" fighter destroys the lesser fighter,gets people intersted in seeing him again.You do with with 2-3 good fighters,then finally match them up vs each other,and you have a potentially good buyrate for the product.Both UFC,PRIDE,and other organizations do just that,its called big business,and making money is the true bottom line,be it MMA,or anything else.

another aspect of manipulation is judging,something that is not nearly as crooked or biased in MMA as it is in boxing,but is too subjective,and can easily be manipulated to see the desired results.

bottom line to me is that I do enjoy watching an MMA event from time to time,be it UFC or PRIDE or King of the Cage,whatever or whoever puts them on,but it is smart to realize that,like any other sport,things are not allways what you think they may be,and in many cases are,indeed,predermined or worked.

[100%pureoj]

I had never even heard of pride until last night on fsn. Chuch liddell was fighting some guy by the name of rampage and he was getting his ass worked. I don't know if that guy was on juice or if pride is just that much better.

Edit: does anyone know who won I fell asleep

Edit again: I read another thread and saw that rampage won

[L4NC3R]

Fighters enrolled at Pride aren't exactly better than fighters at the UFC, its just that the enviroments are different. Not only that but most of the well known Pride fighters are UFC veterans.

[Kommercial]

I view the UFC as being the immature younger brother of the PFC. I think Pride is the pennacle of accomplishment. They're structered more professionaly. While the UFC prides themselves off an octagon cage in some grungy, underground fighting enviroment, the PFC gains the respect of the Japanese people by saying its okay to enjoy combat sports and not have to be a redneck. There is just a huge gap between UFC and PFC.

I myself prefer PFC. They just have a more professional look. Not only that but the fighters are very professional and highly admired by the Japanese people. I will never forget how much ovation Shamrock and Frye got in their last bout at Bad Blood.

Not only that but my favorite fighters are more PFC based than UFC: Frye, Sapp, Hunt, Cro Cop, Vanderlea, and Fedor.

I'm glad you mentioned Bob Sapp, because that proves you don't know jack shit. Bob Sapp is the worst "professional" fighter ever.

Bob Sapp Sucks (http://officialinkaddict.elite-webhost.net/main/multimedia/bobsappsucks.wmv)

[snyderman]

Did you see that thing where Sapp was supposed to fight Royce Gracie? I thought that was funny, not because they are about as total opposites as you can get, but the winner would depend on the rules. Could you imagine them fighting K1 style?! Royce, possibly the greatest BJJ fighter ever, would never walk again! If it was MMA rules, it would be a Gracie victory in less than 1 minute. Still, intereting to witness either way...

[cottonzway]

Most people clown Sapp, but I respect him. He came very close to beating Nog and put Nog in much worse danger then Fedor ever did. I thought he killed him when he spiked Antonio. Sapp is a bit of a freak and a clown and he shouldn't be doing K-1 stuff in the first place. You need to be an elite striker to be in K-1 and Sapp is a poor striker. He is one of the strongest men I have ever seen and if he put his focus into MMA he could be unreal. He always wants way too much money though and loves the camera more then the sport. Plus he couldn't ever compete in the UFC because of the 265 lbs. weight limit they have. It's a shame he doesn't put a lot into being a Pride fighter because he could be something special. I have heard that he is now a purple belt in BJJ so whatever that is worth I hope it means he will put his heart into MMA.

[snyderman]

I have heard that he is now a purple belt in BJJ so whatever that is worth I hope it means he will put his heart into MMA.
Sapp as a BJJ balck belt is a scary thought. Could you imagine trying to secure an arm bar or key lock? His arms are bigger than most guys legs! Or powering thru someones guard, and landing those big punches :help:

[Ulic]

I would have to go with IFC
Its my friend's dad's league

[snyderman]

I would have to go with IFC
Its my friend's dad's league

Arent they associated with the UFC? Ive seen some IFC events, and most took place in an octagon (copyrighted), the others actually were held in the UFC octagon. I think the main difference is the IFC is still tourney style.

[L4NC3R]

I'm glad you mentioned Bob Sapp, because that proves you don't know jack shit. Bob Sapp is the worst "professional" fighter ever.

Bob Sapp Sucks (http://officialinkaddict.elite-webhost.net/main/multimedia/bobsappsucks.wmv)
Who has Sapp lost to? Fujita? Minotauro? And he tied with Banner. These men are almost as elite as you can get when it comes to MMA competitions. Look at Minotauro's record. 25 wins and 3 loss. He's won against fighters like Coleman, Goodridge, Mirko, Herring and Rodriguez. Fujita doesn't have as great of a record, but he has won against Shamrock and big men like Kerr.

Not only that, but Sapp has a 7 and 3 record. Most good fighters do. Sapp isn't just a big man who should be able to kill anyone in the ring. Sapp has to deal with himself, and he wasn't built for fighting.

[MoDilly]

BTW Cro Cop and Emelianenko just fought on sunday night. Emelianenko won by decision. He such a badass fighter.

[snyderman]

Yeah, because of that fight, I read the spoilers before the PPV for the first time. I wish I hadnt. The PPV wasnt the greatest, but knowing the winners ruined it. I guess that why they call them spoilers.... :rolleyes:

[samurai kebab]

does anyone have the video to the fedor/cro cop fight because they dont show pride over here



ps aleksander emilianenko is my favourite mma fighter and i have no idea why

[snyderman]

ps aleksander emilianenko is my favourite mma fighter and i have no idea why

:eek: Ive never heard that before... Actually, ya know what- you are :insane:

[Kommercial]

Just food for thought, my site, www.fightmultimedia.com, is supposed to be up by tonight. My host has been having trouble resolving to my domain. Keep in check!

[samurai kebab]

:eek: Ive never heard that before... Actually, ya know what- you are :insane:


lol i loved the guy since that fight with the guy who looks all intense and charges aleks and then get KOed 15 seconds later.it was on this forum a few months ago if anyone has it or any other aleks clips post them.


BTW u do muay thai.if so nice i do it aswell as boxin,kick boxin and bjj but thai boxins my favourite

[snyderman]

lol i loved the guy since that fight with the guy who looks all intense and charges aleks and then get KOed 15 seconds later.it was on this forum a few months ago if anyone has it or any other aleks clips post them.


BTW u do muay thai.if so nice i do it aswell as boxin,kick boxin and bjj but thai boxins my favourite
Ive heard plenty of people talk about his brother, but Alex has got good potential. A long way to go to get to Fedors level, tho

Ive only been studying muay thai for about 7 months, so Im still getting my ass kicked every single day. Its the only way to weed out the quitters...

[cottonzway]

lol i loved the guy since that fight with the guy who looks all intense and charges aleks and then get KOed 15 seconds later.it was on this forum a few months ago if anyone has it or any other aleks clips post them.


BTW u do muay thai.if so nice i do it aswell as boxin,kick boxin and bjj but thai boxins my favourite

That was James Thompson.

[zac893]

Haha I have the latest pride on VHS but no way to upload to comp. just use a torrent and dl it.

pride owns by far. UFC doesnt have the money to get the talent that pride can, and USA wont allow the same rules. UFC is great, but pride is better.

Pride also has Fedor. :p

[snyderman]

The UFC is getting great exposure with TUF series. Hopefully soon, Americans will embrace this great sport, and it can permanently replace boxing. :) Matt Hughes would dominate in Pride as easily as he does in the UFC. I would make a bet on Rich Franklin, too.

[2y4life]

For those who don't know, UFC has been around long than Pride FC though before Pride, Japan had Pancrase.

Both MMA federations are different and the rules are different so it's hard to say which is better. The UFC uses an "cage" while Pride uses a ring. If a Pride fighter fights a UFC fighter in the UFC, he'd lose and vice versa. Rules are also different as in the UFC, you can't elbow the back of the head, stomp an opponent, kick a downed opponents' head, and no kneeing a downed opponent. It's so entertaining to watch, but Pride does have more class than the UFC but that's due to all the money Pride has. UFC's getting tons of exposure now with TUF and TUF2, but they don't pay their fighters the amount that Pride fighters get. For instance, Chuck Liddell is the LHW champ and he makes only $150,000 per fight with a $50,000 bonus if he wins. Some fighters only make $1000 per fight. That's the difference between the two. All in all, it's great to watch either one of them any day. I've followed UFC since UFC 1 and I still watch it today.