Drugs in Sports

Lex · 12-10-2004, 03:04 PM

How do you feel about Athletes taking Preformance enhancing drugs? Do you think it should be totally outlawed or do think they should be able to do whatever they want?

Discuss

The Stranger · 12-10-2004, 03:50 PM

These drugs should be outlawed because it is an unfair adavatage to the opposing team. Also I believe anybody that tests positive for proformance enhancers should be kicked out of their sport and stipped of the chance to go to the hall of fame.

Lex · 12-10-2004, 04:06 PM

I think sterioids should be outlawed, but I that they should be softer on Recreational drugs like weed.

GhostDog · 12-10-2004, 05:34 PM

hell i think steriodes should be legal in football... well not the NFL... but i tihnk they should have tried to make the XFL more interesting with that.... lol

FireEater · 12-10-2004, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BirdPhan

I think sterioids should be outlawed,

EEeerrrrr, what country do you live in? here in the U.S. steriods are illegal and will get you a felony charge. Which is bullshit to me.

And before any of you fucks start bashing steroids, all I am going to say is DO NOT believe the fucking government or media about them. Don't be a brainwashed idiot and start spouting off how they will make your peepee smaller or rot your brain.

I agree they shouldn't be allowed in sports, but then again they should be illegal for personal use of non-athletes.

FE

Lex · 12-10-2004, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FireEater

EEeerrrrr, what country do you live in? here in the U.S. steriods are illegal and will get you a felony charge. Which is bullshit to me.

I meant they should stay illegal, and that they go easier on recreational drugs. I dont think people should get 1 year bans for smocking some dope.

FireEater · 12-10-2004, 09:10 PM

Ahhhhh....But did you know that recreational drug use kills more people than steriod use?

Rec drugs are by far more dangerous than steriods.

FE

Devastation · 12-10-2004, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BirdPhan

How do you feel about Athletes taking Preformance enhancing drugs? Do you think it should be totally outlawed or do think they should be able to do whatever they want?

Discuss

I think drug use should be mandatory.

Discuss

FireEater · 12-10-2004, 09:23 PM

Here is a good read I found. It touches on Sports use some.

FE

"Recent articles in the media made a big deal about increased use of anabolic steroids and sports supplements by college and high school students. Yet, if you examine the data, only 1.4% of college students and five percent of high school athletes use steroids. Nearly 80% of college and high school students use alcohol, 30% smoke marijuana and 25% smoke cigarettes." (1) I think that the ban on steroids should be lifted, therefore legalizing them. Now before we move on, I want to get a few things straight. First, I do not think steroids, at this point of time, are safe for teenagers, nor have I ever-used steroids.

History

"In the mid 1980's, complaints of the use of drugs, particularly steroids began appearing in the media with increasing frequency." (2) "The Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 1990 added steroids to the list of controlled substances, criminalizing the use of non-medical use by those seeking muscle growth for aesthetic or athletic enhancement.

Side Effects

Steroids have been banned because they're dangerous. However, the side effects of these drugs are much less severe than those from smoking or drinking. People have been taking these drugs for more than 40 years. Yet we haven't seen the landslide of heart attacks and cancer deaths predicted by the steroids Cassandra's. The U.S is supposed to be a free country. What right do lawmakers have to ban a drug that affects nobody but the user?" (3) "People in this country can choose to have tummy tucks, breast implants, nose jobs, smoke cigarettes, drink alcohol excessively, or watch strippers as long as they don't hurt other people.

Actually smokers are allowed free reign to harm others with second hand smoke in most places in the country except California. Smokers are not subjected to arrest and criminal prosecution, even though many, many more deaths result from tobacco annually than in all 50 years of non-medical steroid use. Each year, the use of over-the-counter aspirin and ibuprofen accounts for an estimated 7,600 deaths and 76,000 hospitalizations in the Unites States." (2)

Medicine

Steroids are also widely used for medicinal purposes, and the illegalization of steroids is not promoting research. If steroids were legalized, then more companies would be inclined to research ways of making steroids safer and more effective, for medicinal and physical enhancement purposes.

America's Youth

One problem brought up by people against steroids deal with teenagers. One goal of the Control Act was to discourage young people from using them. The downside of this is that illegal users are less willing to admit their steroid usage to physicians. Also, the "end result is that the people, including minors, using steroids illegally rarely get blood pressure checks, cholesterol readings, prostate exams and liver enzyme tests." (2)

"Protecting young people from danger is a worthy goal of any legislation. The Control Act appears to have the opposite effect. A primary effect of the Control Act's restrictions upon legitimate product has been the increased manufacture and distribution of black market counterfeit products and substandard veterinary steroids never intended for human consumption. Some of these black market products are tainted with impurities or contain other foreign substances, supporting the assertion that continued enforcement of steroid legislation will worsen health risks associated with steroid use. Tougher laws and heightened enforcement… have fueled thriving counterfeit operations that pose even more severe heath risks." (2)

Use in Sports

The last issue supporting the ban of steroids deals with sports organizations. "Issues of cheating, 'hollow victories', 'wining at any cost', act, were probably the primary ideological foundation for the Control Act. Permitting steroid users to compete with drug-free athletes reflects on the fairness of athletic competition at any level." (4) "The Control Act has been an extremely limited value in addressing the 'cheating' problem. Elite athletes are almost never prosecuted under the Control Act, obtaining their steroid supplies through sophisticated channels that avoid detection by law enforcement. Serious athletes devout huge amounts of time, energy and resources to training for an event.

Drug Testing

The effect of drug testing- preventing steroid-using athletes from competing- is both a more effective and more appropriate deterrent than the Control Act's threat of making overly ambitious athletes into convicted felons. This is especially true because of the vast majority of anabolic steroid users are not competitive athletes at all, but merely otherwise low-abiding adults who are using the hormones for physical appearance." (2)

The main idea of my article is that steroids should be legalized. Though more people might be inclined to use steroids if they were legalized, they would be using steroids that safer, more effective and cheaper because of the increase of research done. Another issue is fairness in sports. Sports organizations can still keep steroid use illegal and with the increased research of steroids comes more effective drug-testing utilities. Lastly, people needing steroids for medicinal purposes can have greater success in their treatments if more research was in reaction to the legalization of steroids. I think it's time to lift the steroid ban, do you?

Liberator13 · 12-10-2004, 09:29 PM

No, they should not be allowed to use them.

Why should they get to take drugs to make themselves look bigger, and at the same time, get paid millions of dollars they honestly don't deserve.

FireEater · 12-10-2004, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Liberator13

get paid millions of dollars they honestly don't deserve.

So who should get all those millions, the owners? It's the athletes that bring in the fans that bring in the money.

Why shouldn't they get as big a piece of the pie as they can? When was the last time you saw the owner on the field bringing in the fans? And no, Jerry Jones don't count.

If you think the players get paid to much, then quit watching, going or spending your money on sports. That includes any merchandise, tickets, TV, ect....

FE

Liberator13 · 12-10-2004, 09:51 PM

Fire, don't take this as a personal attack

I know they rake in more money than they know what to do with.. but how about they actually use the money for something good... like.. charity.. the homeless... I know I will get millions of neg reps for this post, but if charities were givin just a portion of the money everybody involved recieves, God only knows how many problems would be solved.

And I've never, ever been a big charity donor or anything, never thought of it really, but this is a perfect chance for people to really use their money.

Devastation · 12-10-2004, 09:56 PM

Teachers, Fire Fighters and Police Officers should be getting paid what these "Sports Stars" are getting paid.

I'm not saying that sports players need to be driving yugos, I just don't see why they are pulling in millions upon millions of dollars to play a game.

More like a hundred-thousand or something.

Liberator13 · 12-10-2004, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeVaSTaTioN

Teachers, Fire Fighters and Police Officers should be getting paid what these "Sports Stars" are getting paid.

I'm not saying that sports players need to be driving yugos, I just don't see why they are pulling in millions upon millions of dollars to play a game.

More like a hundred-thousand or something.

Exactly, I mean I know they deserve a lotta money, but its just entertainment, and safety and security is more important than that

TheDawgPound72 · 12-10-2004, 09:59 PM

A quote that sticks in my mind is "If you're not cheating, you're not trying hard enough"

That is true and false in some ways. Its true in the sense, that you should do everything within reason to win. Are you gonna blame a guy for saying he was safe, even if he was blatanly tagged out? Im not. You try as hard as you can everytime to be the best you can be, and players have an attitude like that, for good reason of course. However, when it comes to taking steriods, that crosses the line for one reason:

They are not an allowed substance. If they were legal, then whoever would take the benefits along with the side effects would be considered a ball player doing all he can to win. However, they are illegal, so that right there that should tell you that you shouldn't take them.

In everyday life, you face punishment for your wrongdoings. If a guy like Giambi, who I had the utmost respect for before I heard of this, does something wrong, then he should be punished. He should not be welcomed back by any team, until he shows that he can go without them. He should be forced to go through clinical examinations, continuous drug testings, whatever's necessary to make sure that the game is played as fairly as possible. And all of these guys like Bonds and Sheffield, should be shown some leaniance. I mean, if they didn't know they were doing it, how can you place harsh restrictions upon them.

So heres my plan:

Anyone who immeadiately admits they used steriods will face severe punishment, but it will be less harsh than if you were caught using them. If they came out right now, and say, "I used steriods", then should be suspended immeadiately, sent to a rehab clinic, and have anything else done that the MLB feels necessary. THis suspension should be without pay, and indefinite, til the player shows that they are clean.

For those who are caught in random testings, or any other circumstance, should be immeadiately suspended for at least 81 games of the season without pay. After more tests and whatever the MLB feels necessary is preformed, then the player should be allowed to return. This is of course, if the teams want him back, which in most cases they would.

Thats not a full proof plan in any means, but a step into how the steroids problem should be fixed.

And one more thing. Jason Giambi, even though he did cheat, had the balls to say he was on steroids. Even though he was under oath facing a grand jury, he still did tell the truth. He knows he has a problem, and hes gonna try to get it fixed. The problem lays within guys like Bonds, who waited until someone already went down for it before they confessed. Whether or not he knew he was on it, he should of told the truth the absolute second he learned of it. And that he didn't.

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Lex _ Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: The Watershed Posts: 1,175	Drugs in Sports How do you feel about Athletes taking Preformance enhancing drugs? Do you think it should be totally outlawed or do think they should be able to do whatever they want? Discuss __________________ That twat Nietszche was wide off the mark when he said that I was dead. I'm not dead. I just don't give a Fuck. -God Last edited by BirdPhan; 12-10-2004 at 04:05 PM..

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The Stranger Class of '04 Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Cleveland Posts: 977	These drugs should be outlawed because it is an unfair adavatage to the opposing team. Also I believe anybody that tests positive for proformance enhancers should be kicked out of their sport and stipped of the chance to go to the hall of fame. __________________ Part of "The Invisible Krew" THE STRANGER

12-10-2004, 04:06 PM	#3
Lex _ Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: The Watershed Posts: 1,175	I think sterioids should be outlawed, but I that they should be softer on Recreational drugs like weed. __________________ That twat Nietszche was wide off the mark when he said that I was dead. I'm not dead. I just don't give a Fuck. -God

12-10-2004, 09:10 PM	#7
FireEater Premiumium User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In The Gym Posts: 2,360	Ahhhhh....But did you know that recreational drug use kills more people than steriod use? Rec drugs are by far more dangerous than steriods. FE __________________ ** MWM = Married White Male, NS = Non-Smoker, HGL = Happy Go Lucky, WL = Weight Lifter GR = Gym Rat

12-10-2004, 09:23 PM	#9
FireEater Premiumium User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In The Gym Posts: 2,360	Here is a good read I found. It touches on Sports use some. FE "Recent articles in the media made a big deal about increased use of anabolic steroids and sports supplements by college and high school students. Yet, if you examine the data, only 1.4% of college students and five percent of high school athletes use steroids. Nearly 80% of college and high school students use alcohol, 30% smoke marijuana and 25% smoke cigarettes." (1) I think that the ban on steroids should be lifted, therefore legalizing them. Now before we move on, I want to get a few things straight. First, I do not think steroids, at this point of time, are safe for teenagers, nor have I ever-used steroids. History "In the mid 1980's, complaints of the use of drugs, particularly steroids began appearing in the media with increasing frequency." (2) "The Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 1990 added steroids to the list of controlled substances, criminalizing the use of non-medical use by those seeking muscle growth for aesthetic or athletic enhancement. Side Effects Steroids have been banned because they're dangerous. However, the side effects of these drugs are much less severe than those from smoking or drinking. People have been taking these drugs for more than 40 years. Yet we haven't seen the landslide of heart attacks and cancer deaths predicted by the steroids Cassandra's. The U.S is supposed to be a free country. What right do lawmakers have to ban a drug that affects nobody but the user?" (3) "People in this country can choose to have tummy tucks, breast implants, nose jobs, smoke cigarettes, drink alcohol excessively, or watch strippers as long as they don't hurt other people. Actually smokers are allowed free reign to harm others with second hand smoke in most places in the country except California. Smokers are not subjected to arrest and criminal prosecution, even though many, many more deaths result from tobacco annually than in all 50 years of non-medical steroid use. Each year, the use of over-the-counter aspirin and ibuprofen accounts for an estimated 7,600 deaths and 76,000 hospitalizations in the Unites States." (2) Medicine Steroids are also widely used for medicinal purposes, and the illegalization of steroids is not promoting research. If steroids were legalized, then more companies would be inclined to research ways of making steroids safer and more effective, for medicinal and physical enhancement purposes. America's Youth One problem brought up by people against steroids deal with teenagers. One goal of the Control Act was to discourage young people from using them. The downside of this is that illegal users are less willing to admit their steroid usage to physicians. Also, the "end result is that the people, including minors, using steroids illegally rarely get blood pressure checks, cholesterol readings, prostate exams and liver enzyme tests." (2) "Protecting young people from danger is a worthy goal of any legislation. The Control Act appears to have the opposite effect. A primary effect of the Control Act's restrictions upon legitimate product has been the increased manufacture and distribution of black market counterfeit products and substandard veterinary steroids never intended for human consumption. Some of these black market products are tainted with impurities or contain other foreign substances, supporting the assertion that continued enforcement of steroid legislation will worsen health risks associated with steroid use. Tougher laws and heightened enforcement… have fueled thriving counterfeit operations that pose even more severe heath risks." (2) Use in Sports The last issue supporting the ban of steroids deals with sports organizations. "Issues of cheating, 'hollow victories', 'wining at any cost', act, were probably the primary ideological foundation for the Control Act. Permitting steroid users to compete with drug-free athletes reflects on the fairness of athletic competition at any level." (4) "The Control Act has been an extremely limited value in addressing the 'cheating' problem. Elite athletes are almost never prosecuted under the Control Act, obtaining their steroid supplies through sophisticated channels that avoid detection by law enforcement. Serious athletes devout huge amounts of time, energy and resources to training for an event. Drug Testing The effect of drug testing- preventing steroid-using athletes from competing- is both a more effective and more appropriate deterrent than the Control Act's threat of making overly ambitious athletes into convicted felons. This is especially true because of the vast majority of anabolic steroid users are not competitive athletes at all, but merely otherwise low-abiding adults who are using the hormones for physical appearance." (2) The main idea of my article is that steroids should be legalized. Though more people might be inclined to use steroids if they were legalized, they would be using steroids that safer, more effective and cheaper because of the increase of research done. Another issue is fairness in sports. Sports organizations can still keep steroid use illegal and with the increased research of steroids comes more effective drug-testing utilities. Lastly, people needing steroids for medicinal purposes can have greater success in their treatments if more research was in reaction to the legalization of steroids. I think it's time to lift the steroid ban, do you? __________________ ** MWM = Married White Male, NS = Non-Smoker, HGL = Happy Go Lucky, WL = Weight Lifter GR = Gym Rat

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GhostDog The Hustlin' Preacher Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Buy my tapes, So god will help ya lose weight n' get a husband wit the Benzs! Posts: 1,645	hell i think steriodes should be legal in football... well not the NFL... but i tihnk they should have tried to make the XFL more interesting with that.... lol

12-10-2004, 09:56 PM	#13
Devastation Fac et Spera Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Indiana Posts: 14,005	Teachers, Fire Fighters and Police Officers should be getting paid what these "Sports Stars" are getting paid. I'm not saying that sports players need to be driving yugos, I just don't see why they are pulling in millions upon millions of dollars to play a game. More like a hundred-thousand or something. __________________

12-10-2004, 09:59 PM	#15
TheDawgPound72 Go Browns Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,340	A quote that sticks in my mind is "If you're not cheating, you're not trying hard enough" That is true and false in some ways. Its true in the sense, that you should do everything within reason to win. Are you gonna blame a guy for saying he was safe, even if he was blatanly tagged out? Im not. You try as hard as you can everytime to be the best you can be, and players have an attitude like that, for good reason of course. However, when it comes to taking steriods, that crosses the line for one reason: They are not an allowed substance. If they were legal, then whoever would take the benefits along with the side effects would be considered a ball player doing all he can to win. However, they are illegal, so that right there that should tell you that you shouldn't take them. In everyday life, you face punishment for your wrongdoings. If a guy like Giambi, who I had the utmost respect for before I heard of this, does something wrong, then he should be punished. He should not be welcomed back by any team, until he shows that he can go without them. He should be forced to go through clinical examinations, continuous drug testings, whatever's necessary to make sure that the game is played as fairly as possible. And all of these guys like Bonds and Sheffield, should be shown some leaniance. I mean, if they didn't know they were doing it, how can you place harsh restrictions upon them. So heres my plan: Anyone who immeadiately admits they used steriods will face severe punishment, but it will be less harsh than if you were caught using them. If they came out right now, and say, "I used steriods", then should be suspended immeadiately, sent to a rehab clinic, and have anything else done that the MLB feels necessary. THis suspension should be without pay, and indefinite, til the player shows that they are clean. For those who are caught in random testings, or any other circumstance, should be immeadiately suspended for at least 81 games of the season without pay. After more tests and whatever the MLB feels necessary is preformed, then the player should be allowed to return. This is of course, if the teams want him back, which in most cases they would. Thats not a full proof plan in any means, but a step into how the steroids problem should be fixed. And one more thing. Jason Giambi, even though he did cheat, had the balls to say he was on steroids. Even though he was under oath facing a grand jury, he still did tell the truth. He knows he has a problem, and hes gonna try to get it fixed. The problem lays within guys like Bonds, who waited until someone already went down for it before they confessed. Whether or not he knew he was on it, he should of told the truth the absolute second he learned of it. And that he didn't.