Bad Robbery

Wow, it's a pretty brutal video, but It makes me proud of that shopkeeper. Society is a little safer with one less crook on the street looking for a victim.

Self-defense is the best defense. Maybe if more people would stand up for themselves and provide for their own well being instead of relying on an inefficient and overgrown government bogged down in beaurocracy to provide for them, there would be less crime in this country.

I'm questioning it's authenticity. I guess I might be more hopeful than anything else that it is staged. The guy was down, the final three bullets the storekeeper put in him are gonna get him locked up. In Britain at least.

[Stupified]

Yeah, Self Defense is the way to go, but after the first shot, it's obvious that the robber was defenseless; hence prison time for the shopkeeper.

If you watch closely you can see that he was reaching for his gun when the shopkeeper put the last couple of rounds in him, in fact he managed to grab it and was about to shoot again. He was still a serious threat to the shopkeeper and under american law the shopkeeper still had every right to eliminate the threat. The only thing that might get the guy in trouble would be putting his fingerprints on the gun and moving the body, but I guess people do strange things when the adrenaline is pumping and they just killed someone, most courts would probably overlook that.

I don't buy the threat posed. I know the adrenaline is pumping at the time but the owner had every chance to remove the gun from the robber's hand. Instead he seemed to think he was Antonio Banderas from Desperado blazing away. I have no idea why he decides to drag the guy away before calling the cops.

[Stupified]

Originally Posted by maja

I don't buy the threat posed. I know the adrenaline is pumping at the time but the owner had every chance to remove the gun from the robber's hand. Instead he seemed to think he was Antonio Banderas from Desperado blazing away. I have no idea why he decides to drag the guy away before calling the cops.

Exactly my point. He could've took the guy's gun, called for help, or just knocked the guy out.. Instead he killed him.

I think he moved him out of sight of any other customers, but not sure on that.

[PsiRedEye22]

You people are insane.

Why take the risk of trying to wrestle a gun out of some guy's hand WHEN HE IS ABOUT TO FUCKING SHOOT YOU?

People are getting WAY too libertarian nowadays. This was the perfect example of why the second amendment is the greatest thing on the planet. This man saved his own life, no court in the world would convict him of a goddamn thing.

[Waysloppy]

Originally Posted by PsiRedEye22

Why take the risk of trying to wrestle a gun out of some guy's hand WHEN HE IS ABOUT TO FUCKING SHOOT YOU?

EXACTLY.


If some guy points a gun at my head, I am not taking any chances.

The guy working in the store did the right thing. Even though the robber was down, he couldn't take a chance and reach for the guys gun, he saw the guy move so he shot him again.

If you dont want to get shot and killed, then don't go into a fucking store and pull a gun on the guy at the register. Don't feel sorry for the robber, he did a really fucking stupid thing.

Difference is, the gun wasn't pointed at his head. Agreed, the robber was reaching for his gun and 8 of 10 people would panic and shoot. However, there was the possibility that he could have disabled the robber without the two fatal shots, it depends where your threat cut-off point is.

I'm still doubting its authenticity. I haven't got sound here so can't use sound as a variable but the actions do look kind of dramatic. Who knows? I don't want to be the kind of twat who calls everything fake though.

[PsiRedEye22]

Originally Posted by maja

Difference is, the gun wasn't pointed at his head. Agreed, the robber was reaching for his gun and 8 of 10 people would panic and shoot. However, there was the possibility that he could have disabled the robber without the two fatal shots, it depends where your threat cut-off point is.

No, it doesn't. The robber tried to shoot him, so he made sure he was pretty dead before he called the cops. You'd do the same in the situation, you just don't realize it. I will bet you a million dollars that you don't give half of a shit where your threat cutoff point is when your life is about to end.

Anybody who thinks that clip is real needs to have their head examined.

First off, look at the robber. No mask, nice clothes, already has gloves on, and the way he just turns around reeks of bad acting.

And the cashier is OVER EXAGGERATING on his hand motions to compensate for the camera not having a microphone. And he just happens TO HAVE A WEAPON AT WORK right under the counter nearly in plain view??

And the "shoot out" is laughable. The muzzle flashes are also WAAAAAY OVERDONE and very obviously fake (done probably with PC vid editing software like Adobe Premiere or After Effects) and you do not see any bullet impacts, such as through the clothes or on surrounding environments.

And when the robber falls is very deliberate.

And a color security camera? No. It was a DV camera most likely set up on a shelf.

FAKE!!!

[Regulator_]

Since when do pistols shoot out 3 ft flames?? Also notice how hes barely holding onto the gun, but the "recoil" almost makes his own gun donk him in the face, wouldn't he have dropped it if the recoil was real. I probly would have believed it untill I saw those two things

Originally Posted by PsiRedEye22

You people are insane.

Why take the risk of trying to wrestle a gun out of some guy's hand WHEN HE IS ABOUT TO FUCKING SHOOT YOU?

People are getting WAY too libertarian nowadays. This was the perfect example of why the second amendment is the greatest thing on the planet. This man saved his own life, no court in the world would convict him of a goddamn thing.

I think you are confusing libertarian and liberal. Besides, the "don't shoot the wounded guy pointing a gun at you" argument has nothing to do with politics, it's just a fool who watches too many movies and thinks he's Mr Kung-Fu.

This reminds me of a case my dad dealt with in Odessa, Texas (he was a criminal prosecutor for the county) A guy went to rob a liquor store. He pointed a gun at the clerk and the clerk pulled out a gun and shot him in the shoulder. The robber fell down and the clerk thought he was safe so he put down his gun and went to call the cops, a few seconds later just as the clerk connected to the 911 operator the robber got up, shot the clerk four times, killing him, and ran out of the store. Fortunately the robber got caught and went to jail for a very long time, but it goes to show that just because someone falls down or takes a bullet it doesn't mean that they are defenseless.

Originally Posted by Regulator_

Since when do pistols shoot out 3 ft flames?? Also notice how hes barely holding onto the gun, but the "recoil" almost makes his own gun donk him in the face, wouldn't he have dropped it if the recoil was real. I probly would have believed it untill I saw those two things

http://www.ashlandlakegunclub.org/images/BLAST.JPG
http://airbornecombatengineer.typepa...bon15flash.jpg

These are the only two photos of muzzle flash I could find, but a gun makes a bigger flash than most people realize, the thing is that it happens so quickly that few people notice it and it rarely gets caught on camera, even in video it is usually brief enough that it happens between frames and is not captured every time.

As for his grip, he may have had a limp wrist, but that doesn't mean he had a loose grip. Besides, many guns are ergonomically designed to stay in the hand even with a fairly loose grip.

Wow, those two pics posted by screamingtoast prove NOTHING.

First off, that first pic is difficult to tell what type of load he is shooting with or whether or not it has been doctored.

That second pic is just plain wrong in comparison because it looks like a submachine gun which shoots very quickly and will produce a muzzle flash like that without a proper muzzle suppressor.

And pistols do NOT produce that type of muzzle flash because, guess what, I have fired pistols before. This was doctored and it is obvious because, guess again, I DO have experience with video editing. Don't argue with something you do not understand, k? Thanks.

[zoroko]

Originally Posted by The Truth

Anybody who thinks that clip is real needs to have their head examined.

First off, look at the robber. No mask, nice clothes, already has gloves on, and the way he just turns around reeks of bad acting.

And the cashier is OVER EXAGGERATING on his hand motions to compensate for the camera not having a microphone. And he just happens TO HAVE A WEAPON AT WORK right under the counter nearly in plain view??

And the "shoot out" is laughable. The muzzle flashes are also WAAAAAY OVERDONE and very obviously fake (done probably with PC vid editing software like Adobe Premiere or After Effects) and you do not see any bullet impacts, such as through the clothes or on surrounding environments.

And when the robber falls is very deliberate.

And a color security camera? No. It was a DV camera most likely set up on a shelf.

FAKE!!!

When I started reading this thread I thought the video might be real. I hadn't watched it yet. I just went to see it, yea its FAKE! Overacted is an understatment. Everything is just set up wrong, nice try, but wrong. The biggest clue is the giant flames shooting out of the pistols. If you pause one frame where he shoots him a second time, you can see the flame cover over the time stamp. Now the time stamp is outlined in black so it should still be visible above the flame, its not. Therefore the video has been later edited. I see proof that its fake. Anyone want to point out some evidence that its real?