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 #88039  by PlusCaChange
 Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:43 am
HolidayFriday wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:40 am
Kumacho wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:31 am
One could argue that Stalin was a lot worse than Hitler.

Stalin was committing atrocities that were for the most part against his own people.

The exact numbers have always been hotly debated; but some recently released soviet documents allude to around 20 million people who died as a direct result of stalinist policies (including but not limited to the purges) that were designed to starve undesirables to death.

However, there can be no doubt that at outbreak of WWII the Soviet Union and Stalin were by far the more evil of the two. In the Great Terror (or great purge) 1.9 million people were removed from the ranks and books of the communist party. In the years leading up to WWII this would have been a death sentence. Without party rations and benefits one would expect to starve or die from exposure.

The issue was russia (at that time) was not trying to expand into europe and with the invasion of Poland, Germany became the biggest issue. We knew about the expansionist desires of Stalin and ignored them.

I personally feel that was a mistake. We should have made demands at the end of the war that would have placed us in conflict with the USSR when it was weak. We allowed them to recover from the beating they took from Germany. While they did win the battle of Stalingrad it cost them dearly. Had germany not had to protect the west and east they might have defeated the USSR. Doubtful, but it is a possibility.
The funny thing is that Stalin had completely sided with Hitler. His half of Poland didn't see any better treatment than the Nazis gave, and near the end of the war, we found the evidence that Stalin had systematically executed around 20,000 Polish officers that he held in a POW camp.

The only reason we sided with Stalin was that Hitler backstabbed him, and Churchill needed pressure off of Western Europe. His famous statement was, "If Hitler invaded hell, I would side with the devil."

And he practically did.

Stalin pulled the U.S. into the war in Europe with his need of a more formidable second front to split Hitler's armies. He blamed America for the serious Russian losses, and we organized D-Day about a year before we would have been ready. And of course, that was before we knew anything about the atrocities that had happened in Russia and Poland.

The American government covered up a lot of the stuff that Stalin did once they found out. They believed it would be better if the American people didn't know. Speaking of propaganda.
Stalin was the first dictator in history to create a truly totalitarian state. That is not just no private property, no private anything. The collective is everything, individualism is not tolerated. The people exist only for the state if they don't or won't they are to be treated as waste. This is the complete inverse of classical liberalism (now called conservatism) in which the state exists to benefit the people in their individually directed lives. Hitler thought him a genius for this accomplishment and sought to emulate it.

Stalin planned to double cross Hitler in about 1948, Hitler decided to attack before the Russians had a chance to build up their military. The funny thing was Hitler believed all the fake data the Soviets were putting out about their economy. Hitler was a socialist and a collectivist who couldn't conceive how a directed economy could fail to be much more efficient than a market economy. He felt the compromise mixed economy he was forced to keep in Germany was sure to fall behind if he didn't act quickly.
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 #88041  by cunnalingus
 Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:55 am
Hey holiday, did you know Brians fat? Bet you didn't know. And what's with you old school forum fags and post counts. That shit doesn't matter or mean anything. At least im glad I make you mad though.
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